IRC log of xproc on 2010-02-18

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/02/18-xproc-irc
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15:50:47 [Norm]
Zakim, this will be xproc
15:50:47 [Zakim]
ok, Norm; I see XML_PMWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 10 minutes
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XML_PMWG()11:00AM has now started
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+Norm
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+[ArborText]
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zakim, please call ht-781
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ok, htt; the call is being made
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+Ht
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+Alex_Milows
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zakim, Ht is me
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+htt; got it
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Zakim, who's here?
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On the phone I see Norm, PGrosso, htt, Alex_Milows
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On IRC I see Norm, alexmilowski, htt, Zakim, RRSAgent, PGrosso, ht
16:07:58 [Norm]
Present: Norm, Alex, Henry, Paul
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Regrets: Vojtech
16:08:14 [Norm]
Topic: Accept this agenda?
16:08:14 [Norm]
-> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2010/02/18-agenda
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Henry: I won't be ready to talk about the default processing model before April
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Accepted
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Topic: Accept minutes from the previous meeting?
16:09:12 [Norm]
-> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2010/02/11-minutes
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Accepted.
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Topic: Next meeting: telcon, 25 Feb 2010?
16:09:36 [Norm]
No regrets given.
16:09:55 [Norm]
Topic: 020 wrapper-prefix and wrapper-namespace on p:data
16:11:06 [Norm]
Norm summarizes.
16:11:53 [Norm]
Norm: My temptation is to leave it. Less spec churn and no actual harm.
16:12:29 [PGrosso]
fwiw, Mohamed also gave regrets.
16:12:41 [Norm]
Regrets: Vojtech, Mohamed
16:13:08 [Norm]
Henry: It's arguably the case that we were mistaken about why we did this and it's unlikely to be used, but the example is correct and it isn't wrong to leave it.
16:14:14 [Norm]
Norm: Is anyone in favor of backing this change out?
16:14:21 [Norm]
None heard.
16:14:27 [Norm]
Proposal: Leave the status quo.
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Accepted.
16:14:44 [Norm]
Topic: How to get to PR
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http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/docs/langspec.html#p.data
16:18:34 [Norm]
Some discussion about to whom the "shoulds" are directed in 5.14.
16:20:07 [Norm]
NOTE TO SCRIBE: CLEAN UP THE ORDER HERE
16:20:26 [Norm]
Norm summarizes the state of play wrt coverage and implementations.
16:23:08 [Norm]
Henry: We need two passes in every row to go through without a hitch. We can go forward w/o but each case has to be justified.
16:23:45 [Norm]
http://tests.xproc.org/tests/optional/validrng-007.xml
16:25:25 [Norm]
Henry: Remove this test. It's not a problem with XProc, it's a problem with underlying RNG implementations.
16:26:45 [Norm]
Some discussion of other tests that could be written.
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Norm: In short: we're very close.
16:29:12 [Norm]
Norm: Can anyone think of other roadblocks that I've overlooked.
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None heard.
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Topic: Any other business?
16:29:36 [Norm]
None heard.
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Adjourned.
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-Alex_Milows
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-htt
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-Norm
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-PGrosso
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XML_PMWG()11:00AM has ended
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Attendees were Norm, PGrosso, Alex_Milows, htt
16:30:05 [Norm]
RRSAgent, set logs world visible
16:30:10 [Norm]
RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/02/18-xproc-minutes.html Norm
16:30:22 [htt]
We were all laughing because you had lost audio, that's why 'none heard' :-)
16:30:30 [htt]
But nothing important was missed.
16:31:17 [Norm]
htt, sorry!
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18:42:58 [htt]
RRSAgent, bye
18:42:58 [RRSAgent]
I see no action items