RDFa Working Group Teleconference -- 18 Feb 2010

<trackbot> Date: 18 February 2010

<manu> hey, fancy!

<manu> scribenick: ivan

<manu> Previous: http://www.w3.org/2010/01/28-rdfa-minutes.html

manu, you should look at http://www.w3.org/2009/CommonScribe/manual

the rrsagent dump may not be necessary any more

<Steven> trackbot, status

Welcome

manu: Benjamin is the only newby on W3C groups
... quick intros
... on what is expected
... we do most of the technical work on the mailing list
... the call is to discuss status and make decisions
... during the telco we depend on irc
... we minute things
... we have a rotating scribe schedule
... everyone will do some scribing
... we usually start the call by reviewing action items
... only those that are past due or can be called
... then we go item by item
... ivan will try:-) to minute everything
... people should call in their name in the first few meetings
... if you do not want something on minutes then you should warn the scribe
... If one needs to say something, use q+ on irc, and that will put on the queue, q- take off the queue

<Zakim> Steven, you wanted to show how it works

manu: there are three bots: zakim for the telco, audio, etc

<manu> http://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot.html

manu: who is noisy, mute and unmute
... rrsagent is for setting minutes

<manu> http://www.w3.org/2002/03/RRSAgent

Steven: rrsagent essentially logs the minutes in a file

manu: there are a number of useful commands
... third is trackbot, tracking action items and issues
... it also has a web interface, too
... any questions?

action items

<manu> http://www.w3.org/2010/01/28-rdfa-minutes.html#ActionSummary

<Steven> action-1?

<trackbot> ACTION-1 -- Manu Sporny to create basic RDFa API document -- due 2010-02-24 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/actions/1

<Steven> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/actions

<Steven> action-*?

http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/actions/open is the open items

<Steven> http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/features

<manu> action-1?

<trackbot> ACTION-1 -- Manu Sporny to create basic RDFa API document -- due 2010-02-24 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/actions/1

<Steven> action-1 closed

<trackbot> ACTION-1 Create basic RDFa API document closed

<manu> http://dev.w3.org/rdfa/specs/rdfa-dom-api.html

<manu> action-2?

<trackbot> ACTION-2 -- Manu Sporny to test CORS support for pre-loading prefixes in latest browsers -- due 2010-02-24 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/actions/2

action-2?

<trackbot> ACTION-2 -- Manu Sporny to test CORS support for pre-loading prefixes in latest browsers -- due 2010-02-24 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/actions/2

<manu> action-2 closed

<trackbot> ACTION-2 Test CORS support for pre-loading prefixes in latest browsers closed

<manu> http://rdfa.digitalbazaar.com/tests/cors/

<Steven> comment action-1 Manu wrote the documen

<Steven> trackbot, comment action-1 Manu wrote the document

<trackbot> ACTION-1 Create basic RDFa API document notes added

<manu> trackbot, comment action-1 The RDFa API document is at http://dev.w3.org/rdfa/specs/rdfa-dom-api.html

<trackbot> ACTION-1 Create basic RDFa API document notes added

<Steven> trackbot, status

<Knud> hello, sorry for being late

<manu> trackbot, comment action-2 The CORS test is available here: http://rdfa.digitalbazaar.com/tests/cors/

<trackbot> ACTION-2 Test CORS support for pre-loading prefixes in latest browsers notes added

<manu> trackbot, comment action-2 The CORS test results are available here: http://rdfa.digitalbazaar.com/tests/cors/results

<trackbot> ACTION-2 Test CORS support for pre-loading prefixes in latest browsers notes added

action-6?

<trackbot> ACTION-6 -- Shane McCarron to identify the requirements for html2ps and see about getting reSpec to support them -- due 2010-02-24 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/actions/6

manu: shane, any news on that?

ShaneM: I have not done, continues

manu: robin is the guy doing the spec.js, he is delighted that we use that
... a good pick

invited expersts

manu: we have two experts waiting on whether they can join, benjamin nowack and toby inkster
... last time we were wondering, the member of invited experts were high compared to the member companies
... we have 3 ie-s and 9 companies
... so this time is better

<jeffs> if we have a preponderance of members represented and there is a clear *reason* to include *these particular people*, I tend towards the side of inclusion

<manu> ACTION: Manu to send Ivan Invited Expert proposals to Ivan. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/02/18-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-7 - Send Ivan Invited Expert proposals to Ivan. [on Manu Sporny - due 2010-02-25].

<jeffs> +1 to inclusion for both

Plan for the wg

manu: we have to have a fpwd in march
... according the charter/schedule
... rdfa 1.1, rdfa api
... the document does not have to be perfect, it is the sign that the public could look at it and comment it

<Steven> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/#milestones

manu: shane, i am assuming that you will editor for rdfa1.1
... but I should not assume

<jeffs> I would be interested in working on "RDFa 1.1 API" and/or "RDFa in XHTML 1.1"

ShaneM: i think it would be wise not to be the only critical path
... i am happy to move to a new toolset
... but maybe it is worth keeping the document in the old pubtools for fpwd

manu: the introduction on the mailing list were good because there might be interest in the cookbook and the primer
... john, if your interest is in the education, those documents are the good targets

john: what are the timelines?

manu: one months after the first three documents
... primer does not require much work to get it updated

<jeffs> put me in for primer

manu: I will need document on the api

benjamin: I am interested for the api document

<Knud> primer and cookbook sound like something I'd like to work on

manu: editing means of course some of the technical issue
... any other concerns on the order we want to work on these
... rdfa core, rdfa xhtml and the api will be the first to look at

<jeffs> okay, so using irc as my memory I'll say I'm working on the "RDFa 1.1 Primer" and the "RDFa Usage Cookbook"

manu: another item is publishing rdfa in html5
... that work is happening in the html wg
... we will have to make decisions on changes and updates
... including changes on the test suites for html 4 and 5
... i am assuming that the priority on the html5+rdfa will be lower than the rdfa core

john: the question is the publishing of rdfa with pages and html, partly on the practicalities on how the bbc will use this and across pages
... within the way we will use rdfa will be very dynamic in the page
... it is a very dynamic element
... it is very difficult to render and keep the page fine without way to integrate it with html
... we have some ideas
... this is of interest to me
... this is actually the biggest problem in using it in a very dynamic environment

manu: are you saying that you are mostly interested in the api?

john: it may be that element
... it is also the integration with the html gorup

manu: maybe sending more about this on the introductory email?
... please definitely make it known if there is something you really want to have the group to work on

<manu> scribenick: manu

Ivan: I think that we need to keep HTML5 work at a high priority.

<ShaneM> Can someone please put on the list of stuff we have to do that we need to coordinate with the PFWG on @role and how @role integrates with RDFa?

Ivan: Any changes that we make to RDFa 1.1 should be synchronized with HTML+RDFa.

<ivan> scribenick: ivan

<manu> Ivan: don't know if it is realisitic or not, but we should focus on that.

Steven: i think the html5 being in the back burner because it would give us more time
... another different issues are about f2f meetings

manu: i did not plan for a f2f

<Steven> ACTION: unassigned to 01coordinate with the PFWG on @role and how @role integrates with RDFa? [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/02/18-rdfa-minutes.html#action02]

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<Zakim> Steven, you wanted to ask about FtFs

ivan: tpac may be the week before iswc, which may make it difficult

manu: the answer to steven's question is: we do not know...

<Steven> ACTION: unassigned 01coordinate with the PFWG on @role and how @role integrates with RDFa? [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/02/18-rdfa-minutes.html#action03]

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manu: if there are chances to meet at one of the conference, we should of course try to do it

<jeffs> even informal f2f mtgs are good

manu: next week we will launch into the technical work

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RDFa Working Group Teleconference

18 Feb 2010

Attendees

Contents

Welcome

action items

invited expersts

Plan for the wg

Summary of Action Items

Scribe.perl diagnostic output