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16:58:47 RRSAgent, make logs public
16:58:49 trackbot, status
16:58:49 Zakim, this will be HTML
16:58:49 HTML matches both HTML_WG()12:00PM and WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM
16:58:50 Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
16:58:50 Date: 18 February 2010
16:59:00 zakim, this will be HTML_WG
16:59:00 ok, rubys, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
16:59:11 scribe: paulc2
16:59:15 regrets+ Gregory_Rosmaita
16:59:32 +[Microsoft]
16:59:40 +Sam
16:59:41 zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc2
16:59:41 +paulc2; got it
17:00:45 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2010JanMar/0015.html
17:00:46 +dsinger_
17:00:53 regrets: Janina
17:01:11 Zakim, call MIke
17:01:14 ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
17:01:18 +MIke
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17:01:23 Regrets: Geoff Freed
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17:01:28 Zakim, Mike is me
17:01:28 +MikeSmith; got it
17:01:29 zakim, mute dsinger_
17:01:30 dsinger_ should now be muted
17:01:46 +Plh
17:02:26 zakim, who is making noise?
17:02:36 +Cynthia_Shelly
17:02:36 rubys, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Radhika_Roy (5%), MikeSmith (20%), Plh (13%)
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17:02:45 zakim, who is here?
17:02:45 On the phone I see Radhika_Roy, [Microsoft], Sam, dsinger_ (muted), MikeSmith, Plh, Cynthia_Shelly
17:02:47 [Microsoft] has paulc2
17:02:48 On IRC I see Eliot_Graff, cyns, dsinger__, RRSAgent, jre, oedipus, rubys, cardona507, Mark, Zakim, paulc2, Laura, annodomini, MikeSmith, miketaylr, aroben, sbublava, arronei, plh,
17:02:53 ... Dashiva, tlr-bbiab, ROBOd, Lachy, mjs, paul_irish, Julian, dsinger, tH, gavin_, Thezilch[FH], krijnh, drry, CIA-1, karl, shepazu, Yudai, anne, syp, jgraham, jmb, Philip,
17:02:54 Zakim, cyns is me
17:02:56 Zakim, mute me
17:02:56 ... hsivonen, Hixie, gsnedders, mamund, johndrinkwater, trackbot, webben, Shunsuke, ed_work, gavin, inimino, hober
17:02:58 sorry, cyns, I do not recognize a party named 'cyns'
17:03:00 MikeSmith should now be muted
17:03:27 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2010JanMar/0015.html
17:03:40 + +1.925.186.aaaa
17:03:44 issue-88?
17:03:44 ISSUE-88 -- Should meta/@content allow a list of languages instead of just a single language? -- OPEN
17:03:44 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/88
17:03:52 I believe we are waiting for Maciej to arrive to Chair.
17:04:07 Zakim, +1.925.186.aaaa is me
17:04:07 +Julian; got it
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17:04:30 +[Microsoft.a]
17:04:30 zakim, who is on the phone?
17:04:31 On the phone I see Radhika_Roy, [Microsoft], Sam, dsinger_ (muted), MikeSmith (muted), Plh, Cynthia_Shelly, Julian, [Microsoft.a]
17:04:33 [Microsoft] has paulc2
17:04:44 + +1.218.340.aabb
17:04:54 zakim, [microsoft.a] has franko, adrianba
17:04:54 +franko, adrianba; got it
17:05:08 Zakim, aabb is me
17:05:08 +Laura; got it
17:05:09 + +1.206.850.aacc
17:05:26 zakim, aacc is me
17:05:26 +Eliot_Graff; got it
17:05:39 topic: ACTION items due by Thu Feb 18
17:05:48 topic:. 1. ACTION items due by Thu Feb 18
17:05:57 ACTION-172?
17:05:57 ACTION-172 -- Larry Masinter to insure Change Proposal for ISSUE-4 (versioning) also covers ISSUE-84 (legacy doctype) -- due 2010-02-25 -- OPEN
17:05:57 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/172
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17:06:32 TAG ACTION-388 that is due today on the TAG call.
17:06:46 q+ to ask what actions if any are pending on issue-88, and if there are none, what se can do to move it forward
17:06:53 Larry was looking for help from the TAG on ACTION-172 and the underlying issues.
17:06:54 +??P34
17:07:22 Zakim P34 is rob
17:07:33 TAG is meeting today to discuss this.
17:07:34 ACTION-172 due in one week
17:07:34 ACTION-172 Insure Change Proposal for ISSUE-4 (versioning) also covers ISSUE-84 (legacy doctype) due date now in one week
17:07:45 zakim, who is on the phone?
17:07:45 On the phone I see Radhika_Roy, [Microsoft], Sam, dsinger_ (muted), MikeSmith (muted), Plh, Cynthia_Shelly, Julian, [Microsoft.a], Laura, Eliot_Graff, ??P34
17:07:49 [Microsoft] has paulc2
17:07:49 [Microsoft.a] has franko, adrianba
17:07:54 topic: 2. Update on CfC to publish new drafts
17:07:57 zakim, P34 is RobEnnals
17:07:57 sorry, MikeSmith, I do not recognize a party named 'P34'
17:08:02 zakim, ??P34 is RobEnnals
17:08:02 +RobEnnals; got it
17:08:13 We have received comments mostly on status sections.
17:08:32 Chairs will review comments and Larry's question after this call and will publish our next steps.
17:08:42 plh: Team is responsible for the Status sections.
17:09:02 Topic: 3. Call for Proposals that close by Thu Feb 18:
17:09:05 None
17:09:19 Topic: 4. New Calls for Proposals/Consensus this Week
17:09:21 None.
17:09:34 Topic: 5. Reminders of upcoming deadlines
17:09:46 several items are due in the next several weeks
17:10:02 details in agenda at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2010JanMar/0015.html
17:10:26 topic: 6. New Issues This Week:
17:11:12 actually five new issues: 100-104
17:11:18 ISSUE-103?
17:11:18 ISSUE-103 -- XML escaping in iframe/@srcdoc -- RAISED
17:11:18 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/103
17:11:23 issue-104?
17:11:23 ISSUE-104 -- Clarify that mime type sniffing is optional -- RAISED
17:11:23 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/104
17:11:41 Sam will add to issue status list after this call.
17:11:59 q?
17:12:00 Chairs will discuss when to do Call for Proposals for these new issues.
17:12:14 Zakim, unmute me
17:12:14 MikeSmith should no longer be muted
17:12:16 topic: Scribe for next meeting
17:12:34 ack next
17:12:35 MikeSmith, you wanted to ask what actions if any are pending on issue-88, and if there are none, what se can do to move it forward
17:12:36 issue-88?
17:12:36 ISSUE-88 -- Should meta/@content allow a list of languages instead of just a single language? -- OPEN
17:12:36 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/88
17:12:38 ack Mike
17:12:53 s/Team is responsible/Ultimately, the Team is responsible/
17:13:27 See http://www.w3.org/2010/02/11-html-wg-minutes.html#item12
17:14:12 Last week we proposed: leave this in its current status and decide next week if a CfC or amicable resolution is the right next step
17:14:17 S/se can/we can/
17:14:45 Mike: no discussion over the last week - what is the status
17:15:03 Chair: Chairs will discuss with Maciej and CfC will be issued today if possible.
17:15:04 q+
17:15:11 topic: scribe for next week
17:15:13 ack next
17:15:46 Julian: two issues are ready for CfC or Call for counter proposals
17:15:57 q+
17:15:59 Julian: one is Issue-51
17:16:09 issue-51?
17:16:09 ISSUE-51 -- WAI-ARIA dependency on Role Attribute Module, which takes Curie values. problem for implementations? -- CLOSED
17:16:09 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/51
17:16:28 Julian: correction - Issue-1
17:16:31 Julian: correction - Issue-1
17:16:39 Issue-1?
17:16:39 ISSUE-1 -- hyperlink auditing requires use of unsafe HTTP method -- OPEN
17:16:39 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/1
17:16:51 -dsinger_
17:17:12 Julian: Other one that might be ready is ISSUE-79
17:17:18 Issue-79?
17:17:19 ISSUE-79 -- Meta/@name=keywords should be specified (and made conforming) -- RAISED
17:17:19 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/79
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17:17:56 zakim, mute dsinger_
17:17:56 dsinger_ should now be muted
17:17:58 Julian: The editor has agreed with removing the ping attribute for Issue-1
17:18:03 shttp://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Feb/0620.html
17:18:29 Julian: Could the Chairs please check status of Issue-1 and 79?
17:18:46 Chair: Issue-2 is paired with Issue-1.
17:18:54 thx
17:19:06 ack next
17:19:07 summary: Chairs will check on issues 1, 2, 79 and 88
17:19:30 Rob: What is the status of Issue-41?
17:19:37 +Shepazu
17:19:54 Sam: This will probably be contenious and the chairs are trying to limit the explosions?
17:20:03 plh: What explosions?
17:20:16 plh: ;<)
17:20:30 S/contenious/contentious/
17:20:56 Chair: Any objections adjourning.
17:20:58 -Cynthia_Shelly
17:21:00 Bye
17:21:00 -Julian
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17:21:07 -Shepazu
17:21:08 -dsinger_
17:21:09 Adjourned at 12:21 ET
17:21:10 rrsagent, publish minutes
17:21:10 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/02/18-html-wg-minutes.html rubys
17:21:11 -Eliot_Graff
17:21:13 -RobEnnals
17:21:14 -Radhika_Roy
17:21:14 zakim, list attendees
17:21:14 As of this point the attendees have been Radhika_Roy, Sam, paulc2, dsinger_, MikeSmith, Plh, Cynthia_Shelly, Julian, [Microsoft], +1.218.340.aabb, franko, adrianba, Laura,
17:21:17 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/02/18-html-wg-minutes.html plh
17:21:18 ... +1.206.850.aacc, Eliot_Graff, RobEnnals, Shepazu
17:21:18 -Laura
17:21:19 -[Microsoft.a]
17:21:30 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/02/18-html-wg-minutes.html plh
17:21:46 -Plh
17:22:53 -[Microsoft]
17:23:18 Zakim, drop me
17:23:18 MikeSmith is being disconnected
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17:24:51 -Sam
17:24:52 HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
17:24:54 Attendees were Radhika_Roy, Sam, paulc2, dsinger_, MikeSmith, Plh, Cynthia_Shelly, Julian, [Microsoft], +1.218.340.aabb, franko, adrianba, Laura, +1.206.850.aacc, Eliot_Graff,
17:24:56 "I've fallen and I can't get up!"
17:24:57 ... RobEnnals, Shepazu
17:25:23 MikeSmith: you need the clapper!
17:28:14 shepazu: I got the clapper already, man
17:28:28 it's what I use to turn on my disco ball
17:28:54 I think they have medication for that now, MikeSmith
17:29:02 I mean, for disco
17:29:50 hip-hop is just disco without the pantsuits and feathered hair
17:30:00 much like Google Wave is just IRC
17:30:47 shepazu has changed the topic to: HTML WG: Google Wave is just IRC without the pantsuits and feathered hair
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19:35:09 rubys: "As of 1Q 2010, would a deliverable of a "Canvas 2D Context" document be considered in scope for the HTML Working Group?" - wouldn't this just be a duplicate of http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2007Dec/0094.html ?
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21:41:26 i can help with preparing html5-diff for publication
21:41:32 if we're going to do that today
21:41:45 just came back from skiing and since the office is a two-minute walk I thought I'd check
21:47:21 haven't heard anything yet
21:53:40 guess i'll see what the minutes say
21:54:31 seems the Chairs took over from Opera in blocking HTML5: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/18-html-wg-minutes.html#item03 :p
22:02:55 apparently a request has been emailed to da Director
22:02:57 http://intertwingly.net/blog/2010/02/18/Adobes-non-Formal-non-Objection#c1266525509
22:03:04 Sam posted our summary of the current status: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Feb/att-0665/00-part
22:03:08 for a few simple WDs
22:03:11 awesomes
22:03:37 here's a short summary:
22:03:52 - the Team is already planning to forward the scope question to the Director
22:04:10 - the Director has been out on vacation and unreachable, but he will be back Monday
22:04:19 - we expect he will rule within a few days of coming back
22:04:58 - we would rather have the scope ruling before we publish, in case we have to ask editors to recombine some of the documents
22:05:13 (or whatever other alternative we figure out)
22:05:29 we're not planning to wait for the Director's answer more than a week or so
22:05:38 however you can blame the chairs for delaying if you want
22:06:02 sounds like Larry is still to blame
22:06:12 nobody else hackled over this
22:06:27 well, and I suppose the chairs for going along with it... oh well
22:06:38 I don't particularly care when we publish
22:07:57 or you could say it's the Team's fault for not giving a prompt answer to Larry's question and being vague about the consequences
22:09:03 but at this point the next action is on the Chairs and we are choosing to wait a few days
22:09:13 so it's probably most reasonable to blame us
22:10:41 you're waiting for tim, right?
22:10:47 so clearly we should blame tim! :-)
22:11:40 I have a hard time blaming him for being on vacation
22:11:49 once he is back, though, I am prepared to start blaming him
22:12:14 what's the question he's supposed to answer?
22:15:03 see bottom of http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Feb/att-0665/00-part
22:15:27 Sam phrased it pretty specifically
22:16:57 that's pretty vague
22:17:01 you mean a reply to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Feb/0360.html ?
22:18:01 We want to hear from the Director whether those three drafts are in scope
22:18:03 that is it
22:18:24 it's our understanding that the Team will put this question to him on Monday, so we may as well hear the answer before we publish
22:18:52 so you're waiting to ask tim whether tim still agrees with tim about canvas being in scope (which he's said he does), and whether tim still agrees with tim about microdata being in scope (presumably it was in scope when we last published it, since we published it), because of an objection from larry which larry explicitly said is not a reason to stop publication?
22:19:07 basically, yes
22:19:23 Astounding, as larry put it
22:19:24 because we are told Tim will be re-asked, and the Team is not willing to just go with his previous answer
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