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13:48:23 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be HTML_Forms
13:48:23 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
13:48:24 <trackbot> Meeting: Forms Working Group Teleconference
13:48:24 <trackbot> Date: 17 February 2010
13:49:04 <Steven> zakim, room for 10 at 1545z for 75 mins?
13:49:06 <Zakim> ok, Steven; conference Team_(forms)15:45Z scheduled with code 26632 (CONF2) at 15:45z for 75 minutes until 1700Z; however, please note that capacity is now overbooked
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15:42:57 <Zakim> +[IBM]
15:43:16 <wiecha> zakim, [IBM is me
15:43:16 <Zakim> +wiecha; got it
15:45:50 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
15:45:51 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
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15:47:11 <ebruchez> zakim, +1.650.515.aaaa is ebruchez
15:47:11 <Zakim> +ebruchez; got it
15:47:14 <Zakim> +Leigh_Klotz
15:48:14 <John_Boyer> zakim, code?
15:48:14 <Zakim> the conference code is 26632 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), John_Boyer
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15:49:18 <Steven_> zakim, who is noisy?
15:49:28 <Zakim> Steven_, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: John_Boyer (74%), Steven (71%)
15:49:36 <Zakim> -John_Boyer
15:49:44 <nick> zakim, code?
15:49:44 <Zakim> the conference code is 26632 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), nick
15:50:34 <Zakim> +Nick_van_den_Bleeken
15:50:36 <Steven_> Regrets: Uli
15:50:57 <Zakim> +John_Boyer
15:53:45 <Zakim> -Leigh_Klotz
15:56:13 <Steven_> Leigh?
15:58:40 <nick> scribe:nick
15:58:54 <nick> TOPIC: Recharter and next f2f
15:59:37 <nick> Steven: John_Boyer is correct that the next F2F due to the re-chartering
15:59:59 <nick> ebruchez: What is the problem with having the f2f?
16:00:57 <nick> Steven: We think new people will join and the F2F is quite close to the recharter date
16:07:37 <nick> John_Boyer: Is the f2f not before the next charter will start?
16:08:30 <John_Boyer> if it is then perhaps we won't have an "optics" problem for new members, i.e. we won't be having a ftf they couldn't possibly attend, but rather still having a FtF under the old charter
16:09:14 <nick> Steven: They get the results together after the close date, the requested changes are discussed, this can be done not earlier then the 17th which is indeed very close to the AC meeting
16:10:58 <nick> John_Boyer: if we are stilled covered by the IP policy and we are still under the old charter, so we maybe can still go through with it and do some extra work, we have a lot of work
16:13:26 <nick> Steven: Charlie and Erik want to go forward with it
16:13:36 <nick> Steven: I'm there already
16:13:58 <nick> Steven: John, Nick also find it ok to proceed with the FtF
16:14:17 <nick> RESOLUTION: We will have a FtF in Boston in the week of the AC meeting
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16:16:47 <John_Boyer> Steven to request that any recharter announcement should occur only at the end of the month
16:16:47 <nick> Steven: We need to buzz the same people that voted for the XF11 advancement 
16:16:58 <John_Boyer> of March
16:28:12 <Steven_> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/33280/xforms2009/results
16:29:34 <Steven_> It's member-only
16:29:40 <Steven_> so we can see all but one answer
16:30:07 <nick> Steven: I'm going to contact some of those
16:30:23 <Steven_> http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Member/List
16:30:56 <Steven_> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/33280/forms2010/results
16:32:22 <Steven_> Altova
16:33:22 <Steven_> DAISY
16:33:38 <Steven_> Deutsche Telekom
16:34:03 <Steven_> EMC 
16:34:23 <Steven_> Fraunhofer 
16:34:39 <Steven_> Helsinki University of Technology
16:36:53 <nick> TOPIC: Action item list
16:40:37 <nick> We should close actions of Sebstian, Mark Seaborn, Dave Raggett, Joern Turner, Keith Wells, Paul Butcher
16:41:06 <Steven_> trackjbot, help?
16:41:12 <Steven_> trackbot, help
16:41:12 <trackbot> See http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
16:43:07 <nick> TOPIC: Workshop on Future Standards for Model-Based User Interfaces
16:43:26 <nick> Steven: There is indeed an overlap with XForms
16:43:42 <nick> Steven: I got the approval to travel
16:44:54 <nick> wiecha: There is some text about XForms in it, we need to look at it
16:45:06 <nick> wiecha: They are really design oriented
16:45:39 <wiecha> current draft of the xgr: http://bit.ly/94pL7S
16:47:29 <Steven_> José Manuel Cantera Fonseca, Telefónica I+D
16:48:18 <Steven_> http://farm1.static.flickr.com/94/279083319_506a39c644.jpg
16:49:36 <nick> TOPIC:   XForms 1.1 Test Suite issues  
16:49:46 <Steven_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010Feb/0022.html
16:49:48 <nick> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010Feb/0022.html
16:50:38 <nick> John_Boyer: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010Feb/0025.html
16:51:10 <nick> John_Boyer: 10.8.f is ok now, we have a problem with 10.8.e
16:51:39 <nick> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010Feb/0023.html
16:51:48 <Steven_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010Feb/0023.html
16:53:12 <nick> John_Boyer: The attached did what I asked, it dispatches a cancelable custom event, and stops propagation. But if you read DOM events then you can read that cancelation cancels the defaults action
16:54:18 <nick> John_Boyer: so we can't know if you canceled a custom event, bcz. you don't know what the default action of the custom event does
16:55:42 <nick> John_Boyer: we could get rid of this test, or we could change the title of the test
16:56:07 <nick> wiecha: it should be good to have some more coverage of XML events
16:56:19 <nick> wiecha: I could do that
16:57:10 <nick> wiecha: could we add more tests
16:57:37 <nick> John_Boyer: that would be another edition of the test suite
16:58:12 <nick> Steven: what do we do
16:58:49 <nick> wiecha: maybe keep it like it is, test only stop propagation, and add other tests to the next edition
16:59:26 <nick> Steven: We could write some more tests at the F2F
17:00:25 <Zakim> -Nick_van_den_Bleeken
17:00:26 <Zakim> -Steven
17:00:26 <Zakim> -John_Boyer
17:00:27 <Zakim> -wiecha
17:00:27 <Zakim> -ebruchez
17:00:28 <Zakim> Team_(forms)15:45Z has ended
17:00:30 <Zakim> Attendees were [IBM], wiecha, Steven, ebruchez, Leigh_Klotz, John_Boyer, Nick_van_den_Bleeken
17:00:44 <Steven_> Thanks for scribing Nick
17:00:51 <Steven_> rrsagent, make minutes
17:00:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/02/17-forms-minutes.html Steven_
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17:01:27 <Steven_> Chair: Steven
17:02:26 <Steven_> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010Feb/0032.html
17:02:35 <Steven_> rrsagent, make minutes
17:02:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/02/17-forms-minutes.html Steven_
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