IRC log of ws-ra on 2010-02-16
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/02/16-ws-ra-irc
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be WSRA
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- ok, trackbot; I see WS_WSRA()3:30PM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
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- Meeting: Web Services Resource Access Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 16 February 2010
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- WS_WSRA()3:30PM has now started
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- +Doug_Davis
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- + +984999aaaa
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- +Bob_Freund
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- trackbot, start telecon
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be WSRA
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- ok, trackbot, I see WS_WSRA()3:30PM already started
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- Meeting: Web Services Resource Access Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 16 February 2010
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- chair: Bob Freund
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- + +39.331.574.aabb
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- Zakim, aabb is asoldano
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- +asoldano; got it
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- + +1.908.696.aacc
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- zakim, aacc is li
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- +li; got it
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- + +1.408.642.aadd
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- + +1.703.860.aaee
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- +[Microsoft]
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- zakim, aadd is Gilbert
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- +Gilbert; got it
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- +Ashok_Malhotra
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- +Tom_Rutt
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- +Yves
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- +??P22
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- +??P24
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- zakim pick a victim
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- zakim, pick a victim
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- Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose ??P22
- 20:35:22 [gpilz]
- SCRIBE: gpilz
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- TOPIC: agenda bashing
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- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2010Feb/0014.html
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- RESOLUTION: agenda approved
- 20:37:05 [Dug]
- 8306 is a good one too
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- TOPIC: new issues
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- RESOLUTION: 9032 accepted as new issue
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- Bob: any probs with dealing with 8306?
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- Ram: I would prefer that issues that came after the moratorium be discussed after last call
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- Bob: let's tackle MOAP and 9032
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- TOPIC: approval of minutes from Feb 9th, 2010
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- RESOLUTION: minutes approved
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- TOPIC: issue 9032
- 20:40:43 [Dug]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2010Feb/0015.html
- 20:42:50 [gpilz]
- gil: describes proposal
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- bob: any probs with this proposal?
- 20:43:15 [Dug]
- s/will/MUST/ in transfer too
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- doug: there is a similar sentence in WS-T
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- ... can we change this as well?
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- ram: is that change in the chat room ???
- 20:43:58 [Dug]
- Transfer: When this operation is used to replace the entire XML representation, any OPTIONAL values (elements or attributes) not specified in the Put request message will be set to a resource-specific default value.
- 20:44:06 [gpilz]
- asir: can you pull in the exact text from WS-T that you propose to change?
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- doug: (above)
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- RESOLUTION: 9032 resolved with proposal plus additional, corresponding change to WS-Transfer
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- TOPIC: MOAP
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- bob: where are we on the mother of all proposals
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- doug: some of us had a phone call on Fri of last week
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- ... I sent out a slightly modified proposal for further review
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- ... but I haven't heard back yet; Asir?
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- Asir: we are reviewing the latest proposal
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- bob: are we more right than wrong at this point?
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- asir: I would suggest we discuss MOAP next week
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- ... maybe we will be in a position to discuss it then
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- bob: in that case, there is relatively little new business
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- q+
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- ... unless people would like to tackle another issue . . .
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- doug: 8306?
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- bob: people objected to discussing issues that had previously been laid over to Last Call
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- doug: this issue wasn't opened up after the moratorium
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- ... we deferred it based on the idea that we didn't have time to discuss it
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- ... we have time now
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- bob: the WG decided to defer that issue until Last Call
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- ... the WG needs to decide to take it back
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- doug: I propose we do so
- 20:48:46 [Dug]
- http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8306
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- ram: is there a proposal?
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- bob: yes
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- ram: I haven't had a chance to look at it yet
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- ... can I look at it and discuss it next week?
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- q+
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- TOPIC: schedule
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- q-
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- bob: right now, we're coming up to a mid-march moratorium on publishing (something to do with the AC meeting)
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- ... the minimum Last Call interval is 3 weeks post publication
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- ... practically 3.5 to 4 weeks
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- ... in order for us to maintain our schedule of having a F2F at the end of Last Call
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- ... we need to vote/approve Last call by March 2nd
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- ... if people agree to this, we can keep the scheduled F2F
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- ack asir
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- Asir: there are a couple more Frag issues to deal with as well
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- bob: there is no requirement (by process) that all specs be advanced simultaneously
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- asir: I'm not sure that 3 weeks is sufficient for other WGs to review
- 20:52:56 [gpilz]
- ... I also recall at the F2F that we should allow 6 weeks
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- bob: I was hoping for 6 weeks because you get more feedback
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- asir: we think 6 weeks is reasonable
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- bob: should we leave the next F2F to be open schedule?
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- q+
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- we agree
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- gil: i'm reluctant to have a F2F where there is nothing to talk about
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- bob: we have 2 frag issues, MOAP, and RFC 2119 on WS-Evd
- 20:55:11 [asir]
- If the WG could close on MOAP, then the WG could advance T, E, En and MEX
- 20:55:19 [Dug]
- do have interop/test stuff to talk about?
- 20:55:21 [Bob]
- ack gpi
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- (all): continued discussion of F2F material
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- bob: requirements for F2F in that time frame (last week of March) are weak w/out Last Call issues
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- q+
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- ... though we will need a F2F on testing
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- ack dug
- 20:57:20 [gpilz]
- doug: I know there a couple big issues that may or may not get resolved before the F2F
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- ... but it seems silly to ignore the issues that have been deferred until Last Call, just because we put this stake in the ground
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- ... several of these issues are relatively minor
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- q+
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- bob: from a process point of view, its more important to tackle the substantive issues first
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- ack tom
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- ... willing to tackle the minor things
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- q+
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- tom: if they are really simple things, its likely that reviewers will find them
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- q+
- 20:58:48 [Bob]
- ack asir
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- ... this wastes "Last Call review cycles"
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- asir: if we just want to tell the world there is a bug in the spec, we can always just record an issue
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- ack katy
- 20:59:21 [gpilz]
- karty: if we have time, we might as well be resolving issues
- 20:59:33 [gpilz]
- bob: let's take a look at the issue list
- 20:59:52 [gpilz]
- ... MOAP has a wide-ranging impact and is substantive
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- q+
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- ack gp
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- suggest that we use additional cycles to resolve 8185 and 8193
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- q+
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- ack asir
- 21:04:02 [Dug]
- 8886, 9031 are easy
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- 8900 too
- 21:04:25 [asir]
- disagree that 9031 is easy
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- bob: people should look at new issues (8886, 8900, 9031)
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- q+ to ask a clarification
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- bob: I think we should cancel the March F2F
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- asir: should we meet in the middle of April?
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- bob: if we decide on a 6 week Last Call, we should plan a F2F for the end of that 6 week period
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- q+
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- ack asir
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- asir, you wanted to ask a clarification
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- ack gp
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- q+
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- ack asir
- 21:08:21 [gpilz]
- gil: 6 (or 7) seven weeks is enough time to plan any travel
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- ... propose we defer any decision about next F2F until after we approve Last Call
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- asir: (agrees)
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- (all): misc. discussion of next F2F
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- asir: April 14-16th?
- 21:09:52 [gpilz]
- bob: tentatively
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- bob: April 13-15?
- 21:10:13 [gpilz]
- ... acceptable?
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- (all): silence
- 21:10:23 [asir]
- s/14-16th/13-15th/
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- RESOLTION: next F2F tentatively scheduled for April 13-15
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- bye
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- meeting adjorned
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- -[Microsoft]
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- bye
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- -Gilbert
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- -??P22
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- - +1.703.860.aaee
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- -Bob_Freund
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- -Ashok_Malhotra
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- -Yves
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- -??P24
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- -asoldano
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- -li
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- -Doug_Davis
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- -Tom_Rutt
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- rrsagent, generate minutes
- 21:11:15 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/02/16-ws-ra-minutes.html Bob
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- - +984999aaaa
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- WS_WSRA()3:30PM has ended
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- Attendees were Doug_Davis, +984999aaaa, Bob_Freund, +39.331.574.aabb, asoldano, +1.908.696.aacc, li, +1.408.642.aadd, +1.703.860.aaee, [Microsoft], Gilbert, Ashok_Malhotra,
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- ... Tom_Rutt, Yves
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