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11:50:33 <wbailer> zakim, this will be mawg
11:50:33 <Zakim> ok, wbailer; I see IA_MAWG()7:00AM scheduled to start in 10 minutes
11:50:40 <wbailer> meeting: MAWG
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11:53:18 <Zakim> IA_MAWG()7:00AM has now started
11:53:25 <Zakim> +??P0
11:53:37 <tobias> Zakim, ??P0 is me
11:53:37 <Zakim> +tobias; got it
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11:57:15 <tmichel> hello
11:57:30 <tobias> hi
11:58:26 <tmichel> for some reason I can't invite zakim
11:58:46 <wbailer> zakim is already there
11:59:08 <wbailer> zakim, this is mawg
11:59:08 <Zakim> wbailer, this was already IA_MAWG()7:00AM
11:59:09 <Zakim> ok, wbailer; that matches IA_MAWG()7:00AM
11:59:17 <tmichel> ok I see ;-)
11:59:27 <tmichel> Scribe:Thierry
12:00:15 <Zakim> + +43.316.876.aaaa
12:00:24 <wbailer> zakim, aaaa is wbailer
12:00:24 <Zakim> +wbailer; got it
12:00:47 <tmichel> Meeting: MAWG Teleconf
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12:01:06 <Zakim> +Thierry
12:01:49 <tmichel> regrets:Pierre antoine
12:01:56 <Zakim> +??P7
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12:02:39 <wbailer> regrets+ Chris, Bennett
12:04:36 <Zakim> +[VrijeUni]
12:04:59 <tobias> zakim, unmute tobias
12:04:59 <Zakim> tobias should no longer be muted
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12:05:24 <joakim> Hello
12:05:38 <Zakim> + +46.1.07.17.aabb
12:05:45 <tmichel> I will call back I can't hear a thing ...
12:05:52 <Zakim> -Thierry
12:06:04 <veroniqueM> zakim, +[VrijeUni] is me
12:06:04 <Zakim> sorry, veroniqueM, I do not recognize a party named '+[VrijeUni]'
12:06:31 <Zakim> +Thierry
12:06:53 <joakim> zakim, this is mawg
12:06:53 <Zakim> joakim, this was already IA_MAWG()7:00AM
12:06:54 <Zakim> ok, joakim; that matches IA_MAWG()7:00AM
12:06:57 <veroniqueM> zakim, VrijeUni is me
12:06:57 <Zakim> +veroniqueM; got it
12:07:12 <joakim> chair: j
12:07:15 <joakim> chair: joakim
12:07:31 <tmichel> topic:Agenda review and approval of previous minutes telecon
12:07:39 <joakim> zakim, who is noisy?
12:07:50 <Zakim> joakim, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: veroniqueM (64%)
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12:08:42 <joakim> thierry can you hear me?
12:08:56 <tmichel> I don'tr hear anything 
12:09:05 <tmichel> I will call again ...
12:09:08 <Zakim> -Thierry
12:09:19 <veroniqueM> \me is it any better now?
12:09:22 <joakim> Is Florian on line?
12:09:26 <Zakim> + +049851509aacc
12:09:43 <wbailer> zakim, aacc is florian
12:09:43 <Zakim> +florian; got it
12:09:43 <florian> Zakim, aacc is me
12:09:45 <Zakim> sorry, florian, I do not recognize a party named 'aacc'
12:09:49 <florian> scribe: florian
12:10:02 <Zakim> +Thierry
12:10:33 <joakim> scribe: Florian
12:10:43 <joakim> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/02-mediaann-minutes.html
12:10:47 <florian> scribe for parts of the F2F: Thierry
12:11:23 <florian> topic: approval of previous minutes
12:11:41 <florian> minutes approved
12:13:39 <florian> next meeting will be the F2F (23. February 2010)
12:13:57 <florian> topic: 7th F2F
12:14:15 <florian> werner: person who is responsible was ill, so no confirmation yet
12:14:58 <florian> ... preferred date is the 27.-28. April 2010 (Vienna)
12:15:16 <florian> ... final confirmation will be available soon
12:15:24 <joakim> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open
12:15:32 <florian> topic: action items
12:16:06 <florian> action-47: ongoing
12:16:06 <trackbot> ACTION-47 And Frank to investiage existing approach for setting metadata on a "metamodel level" (or "ontology level") notes added
12:16:14 <florian> action-124: ongoing
12:16:14 <trackbot> ACTION-124 Check - everybody responsible for a format: add a column describing syntactic information ("data types", see cable lab column "Type") to his table notes added
12:16:28 <florian> action-135: ongoing
12:16:29 <trackbot> ACTION-135 update description of location to represent shot location notes added
12:16:37 <florian> action-149: ongoing
12:16:37 <trackbot> ACTION-149 Review of whole of ontology doc with veronique notes added
12:16:51 <florian> action-163: ongoing
12:16:51 <trackbot> ACTION-163 Update some of the descriptions to make them more precise and highlight the difference with DC notes added
12:17:02 <florian> action-171:ongoing
12:17:14 <florian> action-189: ongoing
12:17:14 <trackbot> ACTION-189 Postponed: Work on the the subproperties notes added
12:17:24 <florian> action-208: ongoing
12:17:24 <trackbot> ACTION-208 Read and sumarize test-methodolofy for the group notes added
12:18:03 <florian> action-209: ongoing
12:18:03 <trackbot> ACTION-209 Share his image metadata with the group (when he has it) notes added
12:18:21 <florian> topic: status of the ontology document
12:18:32 <florian> Joakim: we promised to go into the last call in march
12:18:43 <florian> ... Veronique - do you have updates?
12:18:55 <florian> Veronique: i have rewritten the ontology doc
12:19:03 <florian> ... abstract should be rewritten
12:19:11 <florian> ... typos are to correct
12:19:19 <florian> ... an external reviewer would be nice
12:19:28 <florian> ... afterwards we could make a final document
12:19:35 <florian> Joakim: excellent idea
12:19:50 <florian> ... shall we ask a new invited expert, e.g. John?
12:20:32 <florian> regrets: Pierre-Antoine, Chris, Bennet
12:20:55 <wbailer> s/Bennet/Bennett/
12:21:53 <florian> Veronique: perhaps another person with a better fitting background would be better?
12:22:10 <florian> Felix: (not understandable...) 
12:22:24 <veroniqueM> s/better fitting/differing more from mine/
12:22:26 <fsasaki> felix: how about asking the webapps WG?
12:22:43 <veroniqueM> good idea!
12:22:45 <fsasaki> .. they need to use the ontology, with the API as a proxy, anyway at some point
12:23:01 <veroniqueM> yes, good suggestion!
12:23:02 <wbailer> +1
12:23:13 <fsasaki> .. and we used web IDL in the API doc already, so have some proximity to them already
12:23:15 <joakim> +1
12:23:32 <florian> +1
12:23:32 <joakim> thanks!
12:24:22 <fsasaki> felix: propose to have just one or a view reviewer from the webApp group - no need to have an "official" group review
12:24:32 <florian> action to joakim: ask the webapps group to review our ontology document
12:24:32 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - to
12:24:57 <florian> action joakim: ask someone of the webapps group to review our ontology document
12:24:58 <trackbot> Created ACTION-210 - Ask someone of the webapps group to review our ontology document [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2010-02-23].
12:25:35 <florian> Zakim, mute me
12:25:35 <Zakim> florian should now be muted
12:26:01 <florian> Werner: we have collected several issues for the ontology document in the wiki
12:26:09 <florian> ... will they be addressed?
12:26:17 <wbailer> list of issues: http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Improvements_/_Enhancement_for_a_revision_of_the_%22Ontology_for_Media_Resource_1.0%22_document
12:26:35 <florian> Veronique: what i can do is to correct the abstract and check the wiki
12:26:50 <florian> ... i will contact wonsuk to publish the new version
12:27:05 <florian> ... he could put it online until monday
12:27:32 <florian> ... everybody is welcome to add comments
12:28:23 <veroniqueM> editor's draft: http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mediaont-1.0.html
12:28:32 <florian> topic: status of the api document
12:29:19 <florian> Joakim: there was a discussion on the mailing list about the client-server picture
12:29:23 <florian> Zakim, unmute me
12:29:23 <Zakim> florian should no longer be muted
12:30:13 <florian> Werner: i updated the figure and volunteered to write something about it
12:30:30 <florian> action Werner: formulate a text regarding the client-server picture
12:30:30 <trackbot> Created ACTION-211 - Formulate a text regarding the client-server picture [on Werner Bailer - due 2010-02-23].
12:30:39 <tmichel> I must dial in again, I can't hear anything :-(
12:30:43 <Zakim> -Thierry
12:30:50 <florian> zakim, mute me
12:30:50 <Zakim> florian should now be muted
12:31:13 <Zakim> +Thierry
12:31:23 <florian> zakim, who is here
12:31:23 <Zakim> florian, you need to end that query with '?'
12:31:29 <florian> zakim, who is here?
12:31:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see tobias (muted), wbailer, Felix (muted), veroniqueM, +46.1.07.17.aabb, florian (muted), Thierry
12:31:31 <Zakim> On IRC I see florian, joakim, veroniqueM, fsasaki, tmichel, tobias, RRSAgent, Zakim, wbailer, trackbot
12:31:39 <fsasaki> +1 about adding the section
12:31:43 <florian> Joakim: shall we add the section?
12:31:44 <florian> +1
12:31:47 <tobias> +1
12:32:32 <fsasaki> RESOLUTION: WG agreed to add the section to the API doc
12:33:35 <florian> zakim, unmute me
12:33:35 <Zakim> florian should no longer be muted
12:33:43 <florian> zakim, aabb is joakim
12:33:43 <Zakim> +joakim; got it
12:33:45 <tmichel> test
12:34:16 <fsasaki> s/section /client-server section /
12:34:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/02/16-mediaann-minutes.html fsasaki
12:34:44 <florian> RESOLUTION: WG agreed to add the section to the API doc regarding the client-server picture
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12:35:14 <wbailer> api issues: http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/API_Open_Issues
12:35:47 <fsasaki> chair: joakim
12:36:04 <fsasaki> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2010Feb/0038.html
12:36:39 <fsasaki> present: tobias, wbailer, Felix, veroniqueM, joakim, florian, Thierry
12:36:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/02/16-mediaann-minutes.html fsasaki
12:36:53 <florian> action chris: synchronize the api document with the open issues in the wiki entry
12:36:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-212 - Synchronize the api document with the open issues in the wiki entry [on Chris Poppe - due 2010-02-23].
12:37:54 <florian> Zakim, unmute me
12:37:54 <Zakim> florian was not muted, florian
12:38:20 <florian> Zakim, mute me
12:38:20 <Zakim> florian should now be muted
12:39:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/02/16-mediaann-minutes.html fsasaki
12:41:21 <florian> topic: test suite
12:42:24 <florian> joakim: we want to come up with test cases and the test data, right?
12:42:38 <florian> zakim, unmute me
12:42:38 <Zakim> florian should no longer be muted
12:43:01 <florian> zakim, mute me
12:43:01 <Zakim> florian should now be muted
12:43:14 <florian> Tobias: we thought about how to test the ontology
12:43:28 <florian> ... we want to test it with MPEG-7 and Dublin Core
12:43:37 <florian> ...we want to meet in Passau to come up with something
12:43:40 <florian> Zakim, mute Thierry
12:43:40 <Zakim> Thierry should now be muted
12:44:36 <florian> ... so we will concetrate on the mappings between standards
12:44:47 <florian> s/concetrate/concentrate
12:45:09 <florian> Werner: i?m not sure, what you want to test...a few mappings are incomplete
12:45:41 <florian> ... how can you decide what it?s correct due to structural difference or design of the ontology?
12:46:06 <florian> Tobias: we want to do the mappings we have defined in the mapping table
12:46:15 <florian> ... and also create an implementation
12:46:42 <florian> ... these should be syntactical tests (maybe)
12:46:54 <florian> ... something different from the API
12:47:20 <florian> Werner: the mapping table only defines things from one format to our core properties
12:49:06 <florian> Veronique: we should look in at the u&r document to derive use cases for the test suite
12:49:25 <florian> ... to come up what formats could cover what properties
12:49:28 <tobias> Veronique: yes, this sounds like a good idea
12:49:39 <florian> zakim, unmute me
12:49:39 <Zakim> florian should no longer be muted
12:55:57 <fsasaki> q+
12:56:22 <fsasaki> felix: think that the proposal from thierry / dom could help in speding up the test suite
12:56:42 <fsasaki> .. since with that the progress of the test suite and the API doc will be aligned
12:57:04 <fsasaki> .. I am reffering to implementing that methodology http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/NOTE-test-methodology-20100128/ for the API doc
12:57:13 <fsasaki> s/reffering /referring /
12:57:25 <fsasaki> ack fs
12:58:09 <florian> [discussion about the test suite]
12:58:22 <fsasaki> felix: would you mind if I take an action item to create a mini test suite example, which you can discuss at the f2f?
12:58:44 <florian> +1
12:59:02 <fsasaki> action: Felix to make a test suite example, before the f2f
12:59:03 <trackbot> Created ACTION-213 - Make a test suite example, before the f2f [on Felix Sasaki - due 2010-02-23].
12:59:27 <joakim> thanks
13:00:21 <florian> Tobias: we will have a skype telco on that on thursday, will have the meeting in Passau and implement the test suite
13:00:44 <florian> action tobias: please summarize the progress of the ontology test suite ideas
13:00:44 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - tobias
13:00:50 <florian> action Tobias: please summarize the progress of the ontology test suite ideas
13:00:51 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Tobias
13:00:54 <florian> *gna*
13:01:07 <fsasaki> action: Tobias to summarize the progress of the ontology test suite ideas
13:01:07 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Tobias
13:01:35 <Zakim> -veroniqueM
13:01:36 <Zakim> -wbailer
13:01:37 <Zakim> -tobias
13:01:37 <Zakim> -florian
13:01:40 <Zakim> -Felix
13:01:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/02/16-mediaann-minutes.html fsasaki
13:01:53 <Zakim> -Thierry
13:01:54 <Zakim> -joakim
13:01:54 <Zakim> IA_MAWG()7:00AM has ended
13:01:56 <Zakim> Attendees were tobias, +43.316.876.aaaa, wbailer, Thierry, Felix, +46.1.07.17.aabb, veroniqueM, +049851509aacc, florian, joakim
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