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15:46:18 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 98765
15:46:18 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see INC_PROVXG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 14 minutes
15:46:19 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Incubator Group Teleconference
15:46:19 <trackbot> Date: 12 February 2010
15:47:30 <Yolanda> Scribe: Yolanda Gil
15:47:35 <Yolanda> Chair: Yolanda Gil
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15:48:16 <Yolanda> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-prov/2010Feb/0010.html
15:48:33 <Yolanda> rrsagent, set the log public
15:48:33 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'set the log public', Yolanda.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
15:48:47 <Yolanda> rrsagent, set log public
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15:50:32 <Zakim> INC_PROVXG()11:00AM has now started
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15:50:34 <Zakim> Attendees were 
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15:51:12 <Zakim> + +0012aaaa
15:51:31 <Zakim> +Jerry_Hobbs
15:51:46 <Yolanda> zakim, Jerry_Hobbs is really me
15:51:46 <Zakim> +Yolanda; got it
15:52:19 <keckert> Zakim, +0012aaaa is really me
15:52:19 <Zakim> +keckert; got it
15:52:31 <keckert> zakim, mute me
15:52:31 <Zakim> keckert should now be muted
15:56:49 <keckert> zakim, who's on the phone?
15:56:49 <Zakim> On the phone I see keckert (muted), Yolanda
15:56:50 <Zakim> +??P4
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15:59:31 <Zakim> + +0238059aacc
16:00:15 <Luc> Zakim, +0238059aacc is really me
16:00:16 <Zakim> +Luc; got it
16:01:17 <Zakim> + +1.323.935.aadd
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16:02:12 <Zakim> + +03491334aaee
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16:03:12 <Christine> Hi all
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16:03:42 <Zakim> + +0186528aaff
16:03:43 <Zakim> + +0203334aagg
16:03:44 <Zakim> + +1.915.603.aahh
16:03:56 <jun> zakim, 0186528aaff is jun
16:03:56 <Zakim> sorry, jun, I do not recognize a party named '0186528aaff'
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16:04:07 <jun> zakim, +0186528aaff is jun
16:04:07 <Zakim> +jun; got it
16:04:30 <Zakim> +??P26
16:04:47 <jcheney> zakim, ??P26 is me
16:04:48 <Zakim> +jcheney; got it
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16:05:23 <Paolo> ok
16:06:08 <Paolo> zakim, +0203334aagg is me
16:06:08 <Zakim> +Paolo; got it
16:10:43 <Zakim> +??P0
16:15:47 <jun> q+
16:19:28 <Yolanda> ack Jun
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16:23:25 <johnlsheridan> http://www.jenitennison.com/blog/node/133
16:24:41 <johnlsheridan> email me at john.sheridan@nationalarchives.gsi.gov.uk
16:26:34 <Zakim> -??P4
16:26:51 <Christine> Yolanda. I've just been dropped off the call.
16:27:19 <Zakim> +??P4
16:27:20 <Christine> Back
16:27:35 <Yolanda> no probglem, Christine!
16:29:09 <Zakim> - +1.915.603.aahh
16:30:37 <Zakim> + +1.915.603.aaii
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16:44:34 <Luc> q+
16:46:29 <johnlsheridan> Authority is the key attribute of government data - it is used to make decisions or enforce laws, or to shape markets (stock markets etc)
16:46:42 <johnlsheridan> eg the inflation rate
16:47:34 <johnlsheridan> also expressing provenance is one of the things we can do that helps overcome the socio-cultural issues inside government inside government that deters data publishing
16:47:58 <johnlsheridan> finally, government is a large user of its own data - for example for evidence based policy making
16:48:24 <johnlsheridan> if we are using data to inform policy decisions, it is important that we know where that data came from and how it was collected
16:48:52 <johnlsheridan> the statisicians have done much work on this - and of course, governments tend to emply a lot of statisticians
16:51:10 <johnlsheridan> re, over engineering, Luc is right about the trade-offs, what we need is something simple to express, which doesn't necessarily mean the underlying ontology has to too simplistic
16:56:59 <Zakim> -??P4
16:57:13 <Christine> Hi. Dropped again.
16:57:32 <Zakim> +??P4
16:57:32 <Christine> Back
16:59:37 <Christine> runnegar@isoc.org is my email address for notes
16:59:40 <Paolo> I can do it
16:59:51 <Paolo> (if I can make the call!! :-))
16:59:54 <Paolo> sure
17:00:18 <johnlsheridan> thanks everyone - really helpful for me too!
17:01:29 <Christine> thanks
17:01:29 <Paolo> thak you Yolanda
17:01:29 <Zakim> - +30281039aabb
17:01:30 <Zakim> -Yolanda
17:01:30 <Zakim> -jcheney
17:01:32 <Zakim> -??P18
17:01:32 <Zakim> -Paolo
17:01:33 <Zakim> -Luc
17:01:33 <Zakim> - +1.915.603.aaii
17:01:34 <Zakim> -??P0
17:01:36 <Zakim> - +1.323.935.aadd
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17:01:44 <Zakim> -??P19
17:01:46 <Zakim> -keckert
17:02:13 <Zakim> - +03491334aaee
17:04:28 <Zakim> -jun
17:04:29 <Zakim> INC_PROVXG()11:00AM has ended
17:04:31 <Zakim> Attendees were Yolanda, keckert, +30281039aabb, Luc, +1.323.935.aadd, +03491334aaee, +1.915.603.aahh, jun, jcheney, Paolo, +1.915.603.aaii
17:18:43 <Yolanda> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:18:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/02/12-prov-xg-minutes.html Yolanda
17:19:19 <Yolanda>  rrsagent, set log public
17:19:27 <Yolanda>  rrsagent, draft minutes
17:19:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/02/12-prov-xg-minutes.html Yolanda
17:21:05 <Yolanda> Christine Runnegar will be preparing a report on this telecon
17:21:11 <Yolanda> rrsagent, set log public
17:21:17 <Yolanda> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:21:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/02/12-prov-xg-minutes.html Yolanda
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