IRC log of xproc on 2010-02-11

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Meeting: XML Processing Model WG
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Date: 11 Feb 2010
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Agenda: http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2010/01/21-agenda
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Meeting: 167
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Chair: Norm
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Scribe: Norm
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ScribeNick: Norm
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Regrets: Paul
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XML_PMWG()11:00AM has now started
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+Norm
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+Alex_Milows
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+MoZ
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+Jeroen
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Zakim, Jeroen is Vojtech
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+Vojtech; got it
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-Vojtech
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zakim, please call ht-781
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ok, ht; the call is being made
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I think I'm connected
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but I can't hear anyone
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wassup?
16:08:05 [Norm]
then you aren't connected
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zakim, who is on the call?
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On the phone I see Norm, Alex_Milows, MoZ
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:-(
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+Vojtech
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My 'phone thinks I'm connected???
16:08:31 [Norm]
your phone is mistaken
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or maybe you're connected to people you'd like tot alk to more than us
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zakim, please call ht-781
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ok, ht; the call is being made
16:09:05 [Norm]
Norm, zakim, it's not.
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s/Norm/No/
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Topic: Accept this agenda?
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-> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2010/02/11-agenda
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Accepted.
16:09:39 [ht]
zakim, code?
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the conference code is 97762 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), ht
16:09:43 [Norm]
Zakim, who's on the phone?
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On the phone I see Norm, Alex_Milows, MoZ, Vojtech
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Present: Norm, Alex, Mohamed, Vojtech, Henry
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Topic: Accept minutes from the previous meeting?
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-> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2010/01/21-minutes
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Accepted.
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Topic: Next meeting: telcon, 18 Feb 2010?
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s/2010?/2010/
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+HT
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Mohamed gives regrets for 18 Feb
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zakim, HT is me
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+ht; got it
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Topic: LC003: XSLT match pattern
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Vojtech: We discussed this.
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Norm: Ok, I'll dig back further to see what I can find.
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Topic: 010 Scoping of options and variables
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Norm: I didn't understand, I guess.
16:13:31 [MoZ]
Norm, w.r.t pattern see http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2010/01/07-minutes
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Henry: Take option and variable names together and make them the same as step names.
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Henry: There's no lexical shadowing, only dynamic shadowing.
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Norm: Ok.
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XSLT match pattern discussion: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-processing-model-wg/2010Jan/0007.html
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Topic: 013: multiple inputs in test expression
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Norm discusses his thoughts about inputs and collection()
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Vojtech: I think we need to make it well defined behavior, or leave it as it is
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Alex: Is collection() in XPath 2.
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Norm: yes.
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Vojtech: What I would see as the right solution would be to allow multiple documents appearing in the XPath context and we say we take the first one as the context item. But you can use collection() to get to the others.
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Norm: I think this has gone as far as it needs to.
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Alex: The status quo is implementation defined.
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Norm: Proposal: leave the status quo, do nothing.
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Accepted.
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Topic: 016: pipelines with infinite recursion
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Vojtech: I was just wondering, but Norm replied.
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Norm: I think we say enough.
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Norm: Proposal: leave the status quo.
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Accepted.
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Norm: Test suite progress
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Norm: Has the schema test resolution quesiton been resolved?
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Vojtech: It's valid-xsd-004 and 011. They're the same and one is expected to succeed and one is expected to fail.
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...One relies on the default value for use-location-hints and the other sets it to false, which is the default.
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Norm: Do we have another test that explicitly sets it to true?
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...Yes, 008.
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Norm: I think we should change 004 so that it's expected to fail, just like 11.
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Vojtech: Do we want to change the default on validate-with-xmlschema?
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Norm: Henry, what does the world expect?
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Henry: For XSV, they're true and true, respectively. For Saxon, I think it's true and false, respectively.
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...No, the default is false. That's probably why we did it the way we did.
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Norm: Proposal: leave the status quo and change the test.
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Accepted.
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Topic: Change the type of prefix value to NCName
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Norm: Mohamed observes that we have options that are expected to contain prefixes that are of type string. He suggests we change their types to NCName.
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Norm: I have no objection.
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Henry: I don't think that's a breaking change.
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Proposal: Accept this change?
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Accepted.
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Topic: More string changes
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Mohamed: There are at least two issues in p:label-elements
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Some discussion of the questions. Type of label changed to XPathExpression.
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Topic: Any other business?
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None heard.
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Adjourned.
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-Vojtech
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-MoZ
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-Norm
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RRSAgent, set logs world-visible
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-Alex_Milows
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XML_PMWG()11:00AM has ended
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RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/02/11-xproc-minutes.html Norm
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Attendees were Norm, Alex_Milows, MoZ, Vojtech, ht
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RRSAgent, bye
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I see no action items