20:01:11 RRSAgent has joined #svg 20:01:11 logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/02/11-svg-irc 20:01:13 RRSAgent, make logs public 20:01:13 Zakim has joined #svg 20:01:15 Zakim, this will be GA_SVGWG 20:01:15 ok, trackbot; I see GA_SVGWG()3:00PM scheduled to start now 20:01:16 Meeting: SVG Working Group Teleconference 20:01:16 Date: 11 February 2010 20:01:38 GA_SVGWG()3:00PM has now started 20:01:45 +[IPcaller] 20:03:03 +??P2 20:03:14 Zakim, [IP is me 20:03:14 +ed; got it 20:03:45 ChrisL has joined #svg 20:03:46 Zakim, ??P2 is me 20:03:46 +anthony; got it 20:04:08 +Shepazu 20:05:58 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ac-members/2010JanMar/0025.html 20:06:49 +ChrisL 20:11:16 Zakim, pick a victim 20:11:16 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Shepazu 20:11:51 scribe: ed 20:12:14 topic: webfonts 20:12:38 http://www.w3.org/2009/08/WebFonts/activity-proposal (member onlt) 20:13:01 CL: explains what happened, for the process document 20:13:20 ...looking at implementation, there are cmdline tools for woff 20:13:28 ...and he coded into firefox 20:13:41 ...firefox 3.6 shipped with woff support 20:14:27 ...requested fontforge to add woff support 20:14:40 ...it's already in their cvs, and works 20:14:54 ...there are some python tools for validation 20:15:11 ...and it can write @fontface rules for you 20:15:17 ...apple hasn't stated a position 20:15:57 ...opera has said they will support it 20:16:43 ...microsoft was saying they wanted CWT instead 20:16:52 ...used to be called EOT-light 20:17:07 ...someone had trademark on that 20:18:01 jwatt has joined #svg 20:18:51 +[IPcaller] 20:19:16 Zakim: +[I is me 20:19:30 Zakim: [IP is me 20:19:40 Zakim: [IPCaller] is me 20:19:47 Zakim: IPCaller is me 20:20:12 Zakim, IPCaller is me 20:20:12 +jwatt; got it 20:20:38 CL: we've got two deliverables, the woff spec, and a conformance spec 20:21:09 ...you must support css, same origin restriction, will depend on css3 fonts spec 20:21:20 ...you need a font and a stylesheet to make it work 20:21:40 ...the font group will produce tests 20:21:51 ...tell your ac reps to vote on this 20:22:05 ...svg 1.1 and 1.2T mandates svg font format 20:22:12 ...i'd like svg 2 to mandate woff 20:22:29 ...but should it require svgfonts? 20:22:40 DS: i'm torn 20:23:45 ...thanks to CL for pulling WOFF together 20:24:33 ...i'm torn about svgfonts personally 20:24:48 ...making it a must means that it's harder to have ppl hit the svg target 20:24:59 ...i'd like to say svg 2.0 is 100% implemented soon 20:25:14 CL: i'd like to see it as a should 20:25:49 DS: svg 1.1 has svgfonts as a must 20:26:09 ...all companies that contributed ipr 20:26:23 CL: we can have different conformance classes 20:26:42 ...a maximally conforming profile that MUST support svgfonts 20:28:32 ED: see no real benefit of doing full svg 1.1 fonts, but 1.2T svg fonts are useful 20:29:16 DS: maybe we could go one step beyond svgt12 font support, but one step down from svg 1.1 full 20:29:39 ...we could say must support svg 2.0 fonts, and you may support e.g full video fonts 20:30:53 CL: we could do alot of tests for svg 1.1 full fonts, and put the spec text in the first draft, then possibly drop parts if they're not implemented 20:32:18 zakim, who is here 20:32:18 ChrisL, you need to end that query with '?' 20:32:22 zakim, who is here? 20:32:22 On the phone I see ed, anthony, Shepazu, ChrisL, jwatt 20:32:23 On IRC I see jwatt, ChrisL, Zakim, RRSAgent, ed, anthony, shepazu, eseidelDesk, karl, trackbot, ed_work 20:33:00 ED: JW how about those SVG fonts? 20:33:18 JW: ask again after SMIL is implemented :) 20:33:47 JW: plan sounds good to me 20:35:02 DS: hope the market will move quicker to the open format 20:35:41 http://www.aip.org/stixfonts/ 20:35:50 CL: bunch of fonts for doing maths 20:36:04 ...you download those fonts, and then you can view mathml 20:36:29 ...having it as a webfont is good for viewing an occasional equation 20:36:40 ...given away freely 20:36:58 ...there are two converters to WOFF available 20:37:07 ...so it's easy for them to do so, 20:39:24 ...XSL is also looking at adding webfonts in XSL2.0 20:39:42 ...they'll probably want WOFF format support 20:39:51 DS: do we have to do anything special for WOFF? 20:40:09 CL: it's not going to be inline, like an svgfont, well...maybe as a datauri 20:40:18 ...would like to see it in batik 20:41:23 JW: made a woff demo for ff3.6 20:41:28 http://jwatt.org/svg-open/2009/demos/font-face/web-fonts-in-html-and-svg.xhtml 20:41:43 ...the last one in the dropdown is a woff font 20:48:01 topic: markerPaint 20:48:04 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2010Feb/0023.html 20:49:47 ED: summary: want to inherit styling into the marker element 20:49:55 CL: could be done with vector effects 20:50:12 DS: we could have this as a canned effect 20:50:45 CL: right, like we do with non-scaling-stroke 20:51:01 ...and as for canned filter effects 20:51:43 DS: we should keep the usecase in mind when we design svg 2.0 20:52:29 ED: i raised a few concerns about the proposal there 20:53:45 topic: css scientific notation 20:53:59 CL: majority was in agreement 20:54:12 ...pro the scientific notation 20:54:17 ...it's a change in grammar 20:55:16 ...it's a flex grammar, which does do scientific notation, but css is using a custom variant doing only numbers 20:55:30 ...css21 doesn't allow it 20:56:15 ...but the style attribute spec... [lost some bits here] 20:56:46 ...got an action to write a summary 20:57:03 ...and a request to have more svg ppl in the discussion 20:57:19 ...all implementers argued the same position 20:58:23 ...this is a first bit of svg/css harmonization 20:58:42 ...will keep you informed 20:58:53 topic: FX taskforce 20:59:00 http://www.w3.org/2010/fx/effects-task-force.html 20:59:38 DS: anthony gave some feedback 20:59:51 ...don't know how I missed filters, thanks for pointing it out ED 21:01:10 CL: encoding is bad, use utf8 21:02:02 ...otherwise looks good to me 21:07:07 DS: suggest making the few changes, propose a first telcon next thursday to discuss the charter 21:07:35 ...and we should get sylvain galinau (sp?) involved 21:09:17 topic: widgets 21:12:04 DS: we're rechartering the webapps wg 21:12:51 ...what's interesting about widgets is that you can have svg only content if you want 21:13:00 ...have made that before, for opera 21:13:24 ...joined widgets telcon today, an interesting thing came out, talked about serverside widgets 21:13:41 ...you reference it using a object tag, it's just a packaged up materials 21:13:49 ...selfcontained 21:14:06 ...i've talked to several ppl that wanted to do this with svg's 21:14:15 ...emphasis is this what flash does 21:14:33 ...they want to package up everything, helps the workflow 21:14:45 ...another way svg can be referenced 21:15:17 ...it's yet another way svg can get used 21:16:35 ...asked for allowing the manifest to point to a css file, and have it apply to any other file 21:16:52 [1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010JanMar/0573.html 21:16:53 [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010JanMar/0569.html 21:16:54 ...makes it possible to separate style and content (the link that ties them) 21:17:39 CL: in XSL it's even worse than CSS 21:17:54 ...also means you can restyle someone elses content 21:19:35 ED: sounds similar to the html5 seamless thing 21:19:43 ...on iframe elements 21:21:46 topic: gradients 21:22:06 ED: that new wording is going into SVG 1.1 second edition, right? 21:22:32 AG: the changes are fairly small 21:23:04 DS: yes, it's svg 1.1 stuff, clarification 21:23:11 ...does it apply to SVGT12? 21:23:13 AG: yes 21:23:22 DS: we should have an errata for 1.2T too then 21:24:33 CL: the grammar for scientific notation in SVG 1.1 and 1.2T is wrong, all implementations ignore that and do the right thing 21:25:52 ED: let's review the new wording once it's put in place in 1.1 second edition 21:27:41 ACTION: add new wording for clarifying userspaceonuse gradients to SVG 1.1 second edition, and add a corresponding errata item for SVG Tiny 1.2 21:27:41 Sorry, couldn't find user - add 21:27:48 ACTION: AG to add new wording for clarifying userspaceonuse gradients to SVG 1.1 second edition, and add a corresponding errata item for SVG Tiny 1.2 21:27:49 Created ACTION-2728 - Add new wording for clarifying userspaceonuse gradients to SVG 1.1 second edition, and add a corresponding errata item for SVG Tiny 1.2 [on Anthony Grasso - due 2010-02-18]. 21:28:38 ACTION: ed to email www-style to announce the FX taskforce telcon / charter discussion 21:28:38 Created ACTION-2729 - Email www-style to announce the FX taskforce telcon / charter discussion [on Erik Dahlström - due 2010-02-18]. 21:29:14 ACTION: CL to fix the broken grammar for scientific notation in SVG 1.1 and 1.2T 21:29:14 Created ACTION-2730 - Fix the broken grammar for scientific notation in SVG 1.1 and 1.2T [on Chris Lilley - due 2010-02-18]. 21:31:55 -ChrisL 21:31:58 -ed 21:32:00 -jwatt 21:32:08 -Shepazu 21:32:16 chair: ed 21:32:27 rrsagent, make minutes 21:32:27 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/02/11-svg-minutes.html ed 21:33:13 -anthony 21:33:15 GA_SVGWG()3:00PM has ended 21:33:16 Attendees were ed, anthony, Shepazu, ChrisL, jwatt 22:32:41 Zakim has left #svg 22:42:14 ed_work: got your name right, charter is ready to go: http://www.w3.org/2010/fx/effects-task-force.html 23:17:11 eseidel has joined #svg 23:21:07 eseidel_ has joined #svg