14:24:46 RRSAgent has joined #bpwg 14:24:46 logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/02/09-bpwg-irc 14:24:48 RRSAgent, make logs public 14:24:48 Zakim has joined #bpwg 14:24:50 Zakim, this will be BPWG 14:24:50 ok, trackbot; I see MWI_BPWG()9:30AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes 14:24:51 Meeting: Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference 14:24:51 Date: 09 February 2010 14:24:57 Chair: DKA 14:26:09 Regrets: jo, sangwhan, achuter, brucel, jerome, adam, yeliz 14:29:38 jeffs has joined #bpwg 14:29:53 MWI_BPWG()9:30AM has now started 14:30:00 +DKA 14:30:20 zakim, who is here? 14:30:20 On the phone I see DKA 14:30:21 On IRC I see jeffs, Zakim, RRSAgent, DKA, francois, trackbot 14:30:46 miguel has joined #bpwg 14:30:47 +francois 14:30:56 tomhume has joined #bpwg 14:30:56 EdC has joined #bpwg 14:31:22 + +1.585.278.aaaa 14:31:42 zakim, +1.585.278.aaaa is jeffs 14:31:42 +jeffs; got it 14:31:53 +EdC 14:32:27 zakim, who is here? 14:32:27 On the phone I see DKA, francois, jeffs, EdC 14:32:29 On IRC I see EdC, tomhume, miguel, jeffs, Zakim, RRSAgent, DKA, francois, trackbot 14:32:35 +miguel 14:32:39 passcode anyone? 14:32:49 zakim, what is the code? 14:32:49 the conference code is 2794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), DKA 14:33:10 +??P6 14:33:16 zakim, ??P6 is me 14:33:16 +tomhume; got it 14:34:02 zakim, who is here? 14:34:02 On the phone I see DKA, francois, jeffs, EdC, miguel, tomhume 14:34:03 On IRC I see EdC, tomhume, miguel, jeffs, Zakim, RRSAgent, DKA, francois, trackbot 14:34:09 zakim, pick a victim 14:34:09 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose EdC 14:34:17 Ok. 14:34:28 scribe EdC 14:34:30 I'll be leaving the mtg in approx 40 mins (for another mtg) 14:34:40 scribe: EdC 14:34:46 scribe: EdC 14:35:34 Topic: BP2 14:35:44 Topic: BP2. 14:36:24 François on the transition call. The transition to recommendation accepted. Publication expected Thursday. 14:36:45 The group should not expect implementation feedback to flow in on its own, some action plan is required. 14:36:48 Francois: We had a "great" transition call. 14:37:01 General congratulation to everybody. 14:37:03 s/Topic: BP2.// 14:37:25 DKA asks how such an action plan would look like. François has a template ready. 14:37:28 -> http://www.w3.org/2010/01/mwabp-implementation-report-template Implementation report template 14:38:01 It is derived from the corresponding implementation report for mobile web app best practices 1.0. 14:38:51 DKA asks whether it makes sense to have a fail? Not all aspects of the document are relevant to all developers. 14:39:32 François asks perhaps there was a fundamental reason to have a "fail" column initially? 14:40:26 DKA states that we are no longer interested in whether implementations actually cover every single aspect of every practice, just the ones relevant to their applications. 14:41:04 q? 14:41:47 DKA asks who would be able to actually report on the BP, based on the document? Tom perhaps? 14:41:56 ACTION: daoust to update the implementation report template based on the discussion, i.e. remove the "fail" column and emphasize that all of the best practices do not need to be implemented, that we're looking into "atomic" feedback on one or two best practices each time. 14:41:57 Created ACTION-1037 - Update the implementation report template based on the discussion, i.e. remove the "fail" column and emphasize that all of the best practices do not need to be implemented, that we're looking into "atomic" feedback on one or two best practices each time. [on François Daoust - due 2010-02-16]. 14:42:08 The intention being to get feedback from actual implementations. 14:42:59 DKA impresses upon the members that the W3C wants to get evidence that the BP are actually used. 14:43:30 DKA asks about getting feedback on the W3C WWW site itself? 14:44:23 François will check about the possibility to match BP to actual implementation -- for instance Mobile checker -- within W3C itself. 14:45:13 DKA will make a post about the BP in order to entice people to provide feedback on them. 14:45:41 e.g. dabr.co.uk 14:45:46 A question: what about Vodafone itself ? Aren't they labs and developers and apps suitable for feedback? 14:46:15 DKA will check internally and get an implementation. 14:46:27 ACTION: daoust to look into mobile Web Applications within W3C that implement some of the Mobile Web Application Best Practices. 14:46:27 Created ACTION-1038 - Look into mobile Web Applications within W3C that implement some of the Mobile Web Application Best Practices. [on François Daoust - due 2010-02-16]. 14:46:46 Topic: CT guidelines 14:47:18 Jo made edits on legibility comments from EdC. Draft 1z is available. 14:47:27 ACTION: tom to look into mobile Web Application within Future Platforms and provide implementation report for MWABP 14:47:27 Created ACTION-1039 - Look into mobile Web Application within Future Platforms and provide implementation report for MWABP [on Tom Hume - due 2010-02-16]. 14:47:43 Draft 1z (director's cut) http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/CT/editors-drafts/Guidelines/100209 14:48:13 ACTION: dan to make a post about MWABP to entice people to provide feedback 14:48:14 Created ACTION-1040 - Make a post about MWABP to entice people to provide feedback [on Daniel Appelquist - due 2010-02-16]. 14:48:49 PROPOSED RESOLUTION: request transition for draft 1z of CT guidelines. 14:49:23 PROPOSED RESOLUTION: request transition to Last Call Working Draft of CT guidelines draft 1z. 14:49:31 replies to comments: http://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/37584/WD-ct-guidelines-20091006/ 14:49:42 q+ 14:50:07 ack francois 14:50:27 François says we can take decisions on the draft first, and resolve on answers to commenters second. We must just make sure the answers are ok. 14:51:45 If a LC, which period should it be? 14:52:06 PROPOSED RESOLUTION: publish as Last Call Working Draft the CT guidelines draft 1z; with six weeks comment period. 14:52:11 François reminds that 6 weeks is a minimum. This brings us in March. 14:52:38 François checks whether the formal minimum is 4 weeks. 14:53:10 PROPOSED RESOLUTION: publish as Last Call Working Draft the CT guidelines draft 1z; with 3 weeks comment period. 14:53:18 François peruses the process document, which states 3 weeks comment period. 14:53:28 PROPOSED RESOLUTION: publish as Last Call Working Draft the CT guidelines draft 1z; with a 4 week comment period. 14:54:02 +1 14:54:03 François states that 1 month is ok given dependencies with other groups. The end date is 2010-03-11, which is good. 14:54:04 +1 14:54:06 +1 14:54:11 +1 14:54:11 +1 14:54:24 +1 14:54:37 [note that jo approved the transition via email] 14:54:39 RESOLUTION: publish as Last Call Working Draft the CT guidelines draft 1z; with a 4 week comment period. 14:55:39 SeanP has joined #bpwg 14:55:44 Topic: CT Replies to commnents 14:56:06 François drafted replies to commenters from the last LC, based on resolutions in teleconferences and f2f meeting. They will be sent as soon as the draft is published (Thursday, probably). 14:56:27 François exhorts people to check the comment for inconsistencies or illegible statements. 14:56:47 I looked at the answers, they looked ok, by the way. 14:56:55 François raises the issue of ICS. 14:57:02 -> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/CT/editors-drafts/Guidelines/ics-100209 new ICS statement 14:57:19 +SeanP 14:57:38 There is a small change in the format -- each normative item has an id. This should ease the implementation of the test suite. 14:57:59 How were the id selected ??? 14:58:33 François states that the id are hash values of the statements. 14:59:06 In that case, should there be a small note in the ICS stating that one should not try to derive any semantics from the id? 14:59:44 François and DKA remark that the test suite is still to be done, in any case. 15:00:16 DKA considers that the CT topic is exhausted today. 15:00:54 DKA checks whether there are special actions for the LC. François will use the same list as last time. 15:01:25 The list contains the names of the groups that must be notified of the LC (TAG among them). 15:02:05 DKA mentions that TAG is working on content tasting (possibly similar to content sniffing), so TAG must not be forgotten. 15:02:05 [ The list of reviewers we asked last time was: TAG, HTML WG, XHTML2 WG, WebApps WG, HCG, Web Security Context WG ] 15:02:08 Topic: AOB 15:02:32 Sean is informed of the resolutions (since he joined late in the call). 15:03:06 The teleconference concludes. 15:03:09 bye 15:03:13 bye 15:03:22 bye 15:03:54 -DKA 15:03:56 -tomhume 15:04:04 -francois 15:04:08 -miguel 15:04:12 -jeffs 15:04:16 -EdC 15:04:28 -SeanP 15:04:30 MWI_BPWG()9:30AM has ended 15:04:32 Attendees were DKA, francois, jeffs, EdC, miguel, tomhume, SeanP 15:05:27 RRSAgent, draft minutes 15:05:27 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/02/09-bpwg-minutes.html francois 15:28:53 RRSAgent, bye 15:28:53 I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/02/09-bpwg-actions.rdf : 15:28:53 ACTION: daoust to update the implementation report template based on the discussion, i.e. remove the "fail" column and emphasize that all of the best practices do not need to be implemented, that we're looking into "atomic" feedback on one or two best practices each time. [1] 15:28:53 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/02/09-bpwg-irc#T14-41-56 15:28:53 ACTION: daoust to look into mobile Web Applications within W3C that implement some of the Mobile Web Application Best Practices. [2] 15:28:53 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/02/09-bpwg-irc#T14-46-27 15:28:53 ACTION: tom to look into mobile Web Application within Future Platforms and provide implementation report for MWABP [3] 15:28:53 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/02/09-bpwg-irc#T14-47-27 15:28:53 ACTION: dan to make a post about MWABP to entice people to provide feedback [4] 15:28:53 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/02/09-bpwg-irc#T14-48-13 15:28:54 Zakim, bye 15:28:54 Zakim has left #bpwg