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15:50:01 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 98765
15:50:01 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see INC_PROVXG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 10 minutes
15:50:02 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Incubator Group Teleconference
15:50:02 <trackbot> Date: 05 February 2010
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15:51:31 <Yolanda> thank you Jose Manuel!
15:51:40 <JoseManuel> zakim, agenda?
15:51:40 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
15:52:30 <JoseManuel> no probs ;-)
15:52:40 <Zakim> INC_PROVXG()11:00AM has now started
15:52:47 <Zakim> +YolandaG
15:52:51 <Zakim> + +03491334aaaa
15:53:59 <JoseManuel> Meeting: prov-xg
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15:55:11 <Zakim> +??P5
15:55:31 <Zakim> + +3858880aabb
15:55:41 <pgroth> Zakim, +??P5 is pgroth 
15:55:41 <Zakim> sorry, pgroth, I do not recognize a party named '+??P5'
15:55:58 <pgroth> Zakim, ??P5 is pgroth
15:55:58 <Zakim> +pgroth; got it
15:56:29 <JoseManuel> chair: yolanda gil
15:56:32 <JoseManuel> genda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-prov/2010Feb/0003.html
15:56:42 <JoseManuel> Scribe: Jose
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15:56:51 <JoseManuel> ScribeNick: JoseManuel
15:57:01 <JoseManuel> zakim, save agenda
15:57:01 <Zakim> the agenda has not been entered yet, JoseManuel
15:57:17 <JoseManuel> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-prov/2010Feb/0003.html
15:57:43 <Zakim> +??P7
15:57:55 <Zakim> + +49.621.181.aacc
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15:58:30 <keckert> Zakim, +49.621.181.aacc is really me
15:58:30 <Zakim> +keckert; got it
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15:58:37 <JoseManuel> zakim, save agenda 
15:58:37 <Zakim> the agenda has not been entered yet, JoseManuel
15:58:48 <Zakim> +??P1
15:59:07 <Paolo> hi everybody
15:59:11 <Zakim> + +1.540.449.aadd
15:59:11 <pgroth> hi
15:59:15 <ssahoo2> hi
15:59:27 <Zakim> +Betty
15:59:42 <JoseManuel> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-prov/2010Feb/0003.html
16:00:18 <Zakim> +Irini
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16:00:59 <Zakim> + +1.571.481.aaee
16:01:07 <jun> jun has joined #prov-xg
16:01:39 <Paolo> +??P1 is Paolo
16:01:57 <Zakim> +jun
16:02:05 <jun> zakim, mute me
16:02:05 <Zakim> jun should now be muted
16:02:18 <JoseManuel> plan is to focus on discussion on requirements by co-editors 
16:02:29 <JoseManuel> another topic is to advance with Mendelay
16:03:08 <Zakim> +Felix
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16:03:43 <Paolo> the SWPM workshop ended with a community-provided 
16:03:47 <Paolo> research agenda
16:03:57 <Paolo> I will send the link to the relevant page
16:04:00 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
16:04:00 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
16:04:01 <Zakim> +Ivan
16:04:04 <JoseManuel> New question proposed to be asked to the group: what should research focus on in case a project on provenance was proposed?
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16:04:14 <ssahoo2> SWPM workshop: http://wiki.knoesis.org/index.php/SWPM-2009
16:04:26 <JoseManuel> co-editors report on state of requirements
16:04:36 <ivan> zakim, mute me
16:04:36 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted
16:04:46 <Yolanda> Pgroth we cannot hear you
16:04:49 <Irini> zakim, who is making noise?
16:04:51 <JoseManuel> lots of noice in the line...
16:04:54 <Paolo> thank Satya. in partocular: http://wiki.knoesis.org/index.php/SWPM_discussion
16:04:59 <Zakim> Irini, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +03491334aaaa (20%), ??P1 (45%), YolandaG (5%), pgroth (49%), +1.571.481.aaee (24%)
16:05:04 <keckert> zakim, mute me
16:05:04 <Zakim> keckert should now be muted
16:05:05 <Zakim> +??P17
16:05:19 <jcheney> zakim, ??P17 is me
16:05:19 <Zakim> +jcheney; got it
16:05:33 <JoseManuel> Paul: every dimension has requirements
16:05:58 <JoseManuel> Paul: labels added to requirements
16:07:44 <Paolo> Paul I would tep in again if that's ok in this phase
16:07:45 <JoseManuel> co-editors to continue clean up of requirements. Others to add if anything is missing.
16:07:50 <Paolo> tep->step
16:08:03 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/wiki/Requirements_Clean
16:08:04 <JoseManuel> zakim, who is here?
16:08:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see YolandaG, +03491334aaaa, pgroth, +3858880aabb, ??P7, keckert (muted), ??P1 (muted), +1.540.449.aadd, Betty, Irini, +1.571.481.aaee, jun (muted), Felix, Ivan
16:08:07 <Zakim> ... (muted), jcheney
16:08:08 <Zakim> On IRC I see jcheney, ivan, jun, lkagal, Christine, Irini, Oleksiy, Luc, keckert, pgroth, Yolanda, Paolo, Zakim, RRSAgent, JoseManuel, ssahoo2, trackbot
16:08:19 <Zakim> + +1.443.527.aaff
16:08:44 <Paolo> q+
16:10:09 <jcheney> q+
16:10:20 <ivan> ack Paolo 
16:10:22 <Paolo> ack
16:10:48 <JoseManuel> paul proposes a way to get rid of overlapping bw. requirements
16:11:04 <lkagal> zakim, 1.443.527.aaff is me
16:11:04 <Zakim> sorry, lkagal, I do not recognize a party named '1.443.527.aaff'
16:11:26 <JoseManuel> Zakim, +03491334aaaa is really me
16:11:26 <Zakim> +JoseManuel; got it
16:12:06 <JoseManuel> jcheney volunteers to be involved in the process
16:12:33 <jcheney> q-
16:12:39 <lkagal> zakim, +1.443.527.aaff is me
16:12:40 <Zakim> +lkagal; got it
16:12:46 <jcheney> yes
16:12:58 <Paolo> q+
16:13:10 <lkagal> zakim, mute me
16:13:10 <Zakim> lkagal should now be muted
16:13:45 <Paolo> ack
16:13:50 <Paolo> ?
16:13:57 <Paolo> q?
16:14:06 <Paolo> q-
16:14:35 <JoseManuel> a period for contributing comments on requirements and unifying them is opened. Then, this will be taken to the final doc
16:14:46 <jcheney> q+
16:16:14 <jcheney> q-
16:16:23 <Paolo> fine by me
16:16:28 <Luc> yes
16:16:34 <Irini> fine by me 
16:17:38 <Paolo> q+
16:17:51 <JoseManuel> group agrees, yolanda agrees
16:17:59 <JoseManuel> ack
16:18:16 <Luc> q+
16:18:20 <JoseManuel> paul: still not clear how to eliminate redundancy
16:19:33 <JoseManuel> paolo: deadline for document to be completed?
16:19:56 <ivan> end of march is the rdf workshop submission deadline...
16:20:23 <JoseManuel> yolanda: when is fine, but who is also needed
16:20:29 <Paolo> q?
16:20:37 <Paolo> q-
16:21:52 <JoseManuel> yolanda: many requirements do not stem clearly from the use cases
16:22:03 <Paolo> agree
16:22:14 <Paolo> with Yolanda
16:22:59 <ssahoo2> I agree with luc
16:23:19 <JoseManuel> Luc proposes to have a few flagship use cases to build the narrative around them. However, he would not discard the remaining ones because they might be relevant to some readers while flagship ones maybe aren't.
16:23:34 <Paolo> ok, but who decides which use cases are key?
16:24:04 <Luc> agreed with yolanda
16:24:12 <JoseManuel> how to pick the flagship use cases? 
16:24:12 <Paolo> ok
16:24:27 <JoseManuel> Yolanda: first merge existing ones, then pick
16:24:32 <Paolo> +1
16:24:42 <JoseManuel> I agree with that
16:25:23 <JoseManuel> Yolanda: prioritization is needed. There are more than 170 requirements
16:26:06 <Luc> i usggested to make erequirements hierarchical where possible
16:27:15 <JoseManuel> yolanda: ok with prioritizing. A hierarchy of res shall be defined
16:27:40 <JoseManuel> Paul agrees to do it
16:27:49 <Paolo> happy to help as well
16:27:53 <Luc> i am happy to help too
16:28:03 <ssahoo2> I can also help
16:28:09 <jun> +1
16:28:26 <jcheney> happy to help in other ways too
16:28:32 <pgroth> cool
16:28:34 <JoseManuel> all other co-editors to support
16:33:19 <Paolo> agree
16:33:20 <JoseManuel> Deadline: end of February- beginning of March
16:33:23 <jun> that's a reasonable timeline
16:33:57 <Paolo> q+
16:34:14 <JoseManuel> Yolanda: how to index our literature references. Do we do it on the current set of reqs or wait until a definitive doc is redy?
16:34:24 <Yolanda> ack Luc
16:34:27 <Yolanda> ack Paolo
16:34:41 <pgroth> q+
16:35:07 <pgroth> what is the core?
16:37:31 <JoseManuel> paolo proposes to use Mendelay and create a core of references from those mentioned in the use cases and bound to the requirements.
16:39:01 <pgroth> q-
16:39:27 <pgroth> so the suggestion is to just add references to the requirements page
16:39:57 <pgroth> where are the other 300?
16:40:24 <pgroth> all papers have urls
16:40:41 <JoseManuel> how to point to an intem in the Mendelay collection? Just get an id
16:41:28 <pgroth> +1 for requirements
16:41:42 <pgroth> not the narrative
16:42:40 <pgroth> wiki
16:42:47 <jcheney> can we make a big wiki page with bibtex entries?
16:42:55 <JoseManuel> yes
16:43:07 <Paolo> paul I'm checking
16:43:43 <JoseManuel> reqs document agreed to be a wiki document 
16:44:49 <Paolo> Paul I see 194 refs in the Mendely collection
16:45:11 <pgroth> i was referring to luc's paper :-)
16:45:32 <Paolo> ah sorry :-)
16:45:47 <JoseManuel> +1 to tyolanda
16:45:51 <pgroth> +1
16:46:04 <JoseManuel> everyone to contribute references to requirements
16:47:01 <Zakim> - +1.540.449.aadd
16:47:02 <pgroth> i'll take money from the us :-)
16:47:12 <JoseManuel> next topic: Mark's point on provenance project 
16:47:44 <JoseManuel> correction. next topic: planning next phase of the group
16:48:35 <JoseManuel> yolanda: bringing speaker from DC, DB, CC, user community, named graph...
16:49:56 <JoseManuel> Ivan contacted ben adida. interested, but not clear when could participate
16:50:11 <pgroth> i can get someone who is on the e-government calls
16:50:30 <pgroth> cool
16:50:36 <pgroth> data.gov.uk
16:50:48 <JoseManuel> John Sheridan from UK national archive to come talk to us next week
16:50:53 <Christine> excellent thanks Yolanda
16:50:58 <Paolo> great!
16:52:20 <JoseManuel> Chris Bizer to present on named graphs in March
16:53:55 <Zakim> - +3858880aabb
16:54:22 <keckert> yes, i have this on my list and will contact michael next week about that
16:54:36 <pgroth> q+
16:54:42 <JoseManuel> Kai to bring someone from DC
16:54:43 <Paolo> q+
16:56:11 <pgroth> q-
16:56:25 <pgroth> so questioning our group think :-)
16:57:50 <Paolo> q-
16:58:01 <JoseManuel> paolo to bring people from digital preservation and DLs, important topics in next calls in EU, to share their views on provenance with us.
16:58:34 <JoseManuel> +1 to paolo's proposal
16:59:47 <JoseManuel> next topic: session devoted to OPM?
16:59:52 <pgroth> +1
16:59:59 <Paolo> yes
16:59:59 <JoseManuel> +1 to OPM session
17:00:02 <Irini> +1 to OPM
17:00:08 <ivan> +1
17:00:15 <jun> +1
17:01:18 <pgroth> thanks for the reminder
17:02:28 <Paolo> so Luc's role is facilitation rather than lecturing?
17:02:37 <JoseManuel> Luc to present the major features of OPM to the group (30 mins, rest of telco time for discussion)
17:02:48 <Paolo> ok
17:03:00 <pgroth> 15 minutes
17:03:03 <JoseManuel> all to read relevant documents ahead
17:03:07 <pgroth> it's not that complicated
17:03:33 <JoseManuel> Luc proposes to shorten presentation to 15 minutes.
17:03:39 <pgroth> 26 is better
17:03:53 <JoseManuel> OPM session on 19th 
17:04:24 <Paolo> maybe we can put this entire dense social agenda on the wiki somewhere?
17:04:34 <Paolo> all the speakers etc
17:05:28 <Zakim> -Ivan
17:05:29 <Zakim> -pgroth
17:05:31 <Zakim> -Irini
17:05:33 <Zakim> -jcheney
17:05:34 <Zakim> -Betty
17:05:35 <ivan> bye!
17:05:36 <Zakim> -jun
17:05:37 <Zakim> -lkagal
17:05:39 <Zakim> -??P1
17:05:40 <ivan> ivan has left #prov-xg
17:05:44 <Zakim> -keckert
17:06:43 <Zakim> -Felix
17:06:50 <JoseManuel> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:06:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/02/05-prov-xg-minutes.html JoseManuel
17:07:19 <JoseManuel> trackbot, end telcon
17:07:19 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
17:07:19 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been YolandaG, +3858880aabb, pgroth, keckert, +1.540.449.aadd, Betty, Irini, +1.571.481.aaee, jun, Felix, Ivan, jcheney, JoseManuel, lkagal
17:07:20 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
17:07:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/02/05-prov-xg-minutes.html trackbot
17:07:21 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
17:07:21 <RRSAgent> I see no action items