17:55:10 RRSAgent has joined #tagmem 17:55:10 logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/02/04-tagmem-irc 17:55:12 RRSAgent, make logs public 17:55:14 Zakim, this will be TAG 17:55:14 ok, trackbot; I see TAG_Weekly()1:00PM scheduled to start in 5 minutes 17:55:15 Meeting: Technical Architecture Group Teleconference 17:55:15 Date: 04 February 2010 17:55:33 Ashok has joined #tagmem 17:59:52 TAG_Weekly()1:00PM has now started 17:59:54 +DanC 18:00:02 chair: DanC 18:00:10 regrets+ Noah_Mendelsohn 18:00:17 +Jonathan_Rees 18:00:45 +DKA 18:00:59 +John_Kemp 18:01:15 scribe: johnk_ 18:01:36 Topic: Convene 18:01:56 DKA has joined #tagmem 18:02:28 zakim, please call ht-781 18:02:28 ok, ht; the call is being made 18:02:29 +Ht 18:02:31 +Raman 18:03:01 DC: Can you scribe next week, Henry? 18:03:07 HT: OK 18:03:21 +Ashok_Malhotra 18:03:28 minutes ok? http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/01/28-minutes 18:04:43 "DKA: As a member of that WG, not sure I can concur " 18:04:57 I can't understand DKA very much at all... 18:05:08 -DKA 18:05:29 PROPOSED: to approve http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/01/28-minutes ammended to note that "DKA: As a member of that WG, not sure I can concur" should read "DKA: As a former member..." 18:05:47 DKA, is it enough to note the correction in today's minutes? 18:05:56 fine 18:06:08 +Masinter 18:06:16 +DKA 18:06:19 masinter has joined #tagmem 18:06:27 zakim, mute me 18:06:27 DKA should now be muted 18:07:07 PROPOSED: to approve http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/01/28-minutes ammended to note that "DKA: As a member of that WG, not sure I can concur" should read "DKA: As a former member..." and to note that the security stuff is unclear 18:07:39 JK: I found the 'security' section unclear 18:07:44 if there are errors in the minutes, send the errors to me and i'll update 18:07:45 It should be "when I sat in on the first working group meeting as an observer" 18:07:46 JK: Happy to just note that and move on 18:09:14 ACTION DanC: take approval of minutes 28 Jan offline 18:09:14 Created ACTION-385 - Take approval of minutes 28 Jan offline [on Dan Connolly - due 2010-02-11]. 18:09:18 TVR: Take discussion offline 18:09:35 Topic: ISSUE-53: ACTION-231 & ACTION-232 conneg, generic resources 18:09:45 close ACTION-232 18:09:45 ACTION-232 Follow-up to Hausenblas once there's a draft of HTTPbis which has advice on conneg closed 18:09:50 LM: Sent a note to requestor - should close the item 18:10:12 Topic: ISSUE-53: ACTION-231 & ACTION-232 18:10:23 LM: Propose to close the actions 18:10:24 Ashok has joined #tagmem 18:10:35 HT: Why did we (re-) open this? 18:10:44 HT: Conneg text hasn't changed, has it? 18:10:50 LM: In editors draft 18:11:12 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/2010JanMar/0033.html 18:11:21 I propose that HTTPbis changeset 745 section.4.p.5, along 18:11:21 with the Nov 2006 finding, addresses our ISSUE-53, Generic Resources. 18:11:21 http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/trac/changeset/745 18:11:27 ht, description of http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/53 seems pretty clear to me 18:11:51 so RESOLVED. 18:11:55 HT: I'm happy with this 18:12:14 CLOSE ACTION-231 18:12:14 ACTION-231 Draft replacement for \"how to use conneg\" stuff in HTTP spec closed 18:12:17 Topic: ACTION-326: Polyglot documents 18:12:25 action-326? 18:12:25 ACTION-326 -- Henry S. Thompson to track HTML WG progress on their bug 8154 on polyglot documents -- due 2010-01-21 -- PENDINGREVIEW 18:12:25 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/326 18:12:40 DC: Done to my satisfaction 18:12:48 "2010-01-12 15:11:08: The offending para has been removed: http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=4458&to=4459 [Henry S. Thompson] " 18:12:55 DC: offending para has been removed, you (HT) wrote on Jan.12 18:13:30 close action-326 18:13:30 ACTION-326 track HTML WG progress on their bug 8154 on polyglot documents closed 18:13:42 q+ 18:13:42 LM: Haven't understood about the doctype - whether there were actually valid polyglot docs 18:13:55 HT: this was a very narrow issue 18:14:05 LM: We still have an issue around polyglot documents 18:14:21 ack danc 18:14:34 agree to close action 18:14:34 DC: Interested in XML well-formed 18:14:46 HT: There might be other issues, but not under this action 18:14:55 Topic: ISSUE-51 & ACTION-308: Propose updates to Authoritative Metadata and Self-Describing Web to acknowledge the reality of sniffing 18:16:17 +TimBL 18:16:27 q+ 18:16:50 JK: Ball is with the group 18:17:19 LM: Additional status - I sent review comments regarding the sniffing draft 18:17:25 LM: draft is inadequate 18:17:53 http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-abarth-mime-sniff-04 18:17:55 tx 18:17:59 ack masinter 18:18:01 dated January 26, 2010 18:18:10 ("the issue"? which?) 18:18:23 HT: there is another action on sniffing not linked from the sniffing issue 18:18:33 HT: I sent changes to HTTPBis regarding sniffing 18:19:11 action-370? 18:19:12 ACTION-370 -- Henry S. Thompson to hST to send a revised-as-amended version of http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2009Dec/0068.html to the HTTP bis list on behalf of the TAG -- due 2009-12-24 -- CLOSED 18:19:12 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/370 18:19:50 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/2009OctDec/0346.html 18:20:14 johnk__ has joined #tagmem 18:20:27 HT: At TAG request I sent http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/2009OctDec/0346.html 18:20:31 "Such 'sniffing' SHOULD NOT be done unless there is evidence that the 18:20:31 specified media type is in error" 18:20:57 HT: Barth said OK 18:21:11 q+ on use of 'correct type' 18:21:33 HT: However, change was rejected by editor 18:21:52 HT: We were asked whether we co-ordinated with HTML WG 18:22:50 -TimBL 18:24:28 I am considering offering to rewrite barth-mime-sniff 18:24:30 action-370? 18:24:30 ACTION-370 -- Henry S. Thompson to hST to send a revised-as-amended version of http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2009Dec/0068.html to the HTTP bis list on behalf of the TAG -- due 2009-12-24 -- OPEN 18:24:30 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/370 18:24:30 DC: Can you pursue ACTION-370 HT? 18:24:54 action-370 due +2 weeks 18:24:54 ACTION-370 HST to send a revised-as-amended version of http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2009Dec/0068.html to the HTTP bis list on behalf of the TAG due date now +2 weeks 18:25:05 (arbitrarily; feel free to choose another date) 18:25:41 LM: I don't like the sniffing document 18:25:42 (henry, "the rest of us liked it" doesn't speak for me) 18:26:02 HST would need to look at the f2f minutes 18:26:17 18:26:17 18:26:17 On Wed, 2010-01-20 at 15:17 -0800, Larry Masinter wrote: 18:26:17 > I reviewed draft-abarth-mime-sniff-03 and sent it to the authors and 18:26:22 > the IETF “apps-discuss”: 18:26:25 > 18:26:29 > 18:26:32 > 18:26:35 > http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/apps-discuss/current/msg01250.html 18:26:38 > 18:26:38 > 18:26:41 > 18:26:45 > (ReferenceISSUE-24 and ACTION-308) 18:26:48 > 18:26:52 > http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/24 18:26:55 > 18:26:59 > http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/308 18:27:02 > 18:27:05 18:27:19 ("improvement" can still lead to something I don't like. 1/2 ;-) 18:27:37 ack masinter 18:27:37 masinter, you wanted to comment on use of 'correct type' 18:27:55 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2009/09/24-minutes#item03 18:28:10 minutes from f2f where we created ACTION-308 18:28:15 tx 18:28:45 LM: Notion that the file has a "correct type" is wrong 18:29:04 LM: You're making guesses about what the author intended 18:29:14 q+ 18:29:32 LM: language of "correctness" is wrong 18:29:38 q+ to ask lmm about the status quo which relies on something other than what's in the content-type header 18:29:49 ack me 18:29:49 DanC, you wanted to ask lmm about the status quo which relies on something other than what's in the content-type header 18:29:52 LM: if someone tells you it's text/plain and you guess something else, this is your peril 18:30:23 DC: community standard is that web content providers rely somewhat that the consumer will consult more than content-type 18:30:27 LM: Not sure that's true 18:30:50 DC: I know they didn't consider it, but if you took it away they'll be shocked 18:31:14 http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/trac/ticket/155 was closed 6 months ago... adam's 1st draft was july 13 ... not clear whether the httpwg talked about it (trying to understand whether there's new information for httpwg) 18:31:28 DC: Is it more cost-effective to specify what's going on, or to move the community away fromthis reliance? 18:31:40 DC: The latter seems expensive, perhaps not possible 18:32:03 LM: value of reverse engineering decays over time 18:33:28 DC: Would be happy to see an alternative draft 18:33:50 LM: Happy to propose alternatives 18:34:16 LM: Recommend that the TAG does not update our findings to reference the current sniffing draft 18:36:53 LM: needs to be opt-in mech as well as uniform and secure 18:37:04 LM: set of criteria need to be met 18:37:16 (can anybody write down the criteria lmm said?) 18:37:23 LM: reluctant to recommend sniffing until we have a good algorithm 18:37:57 LM: "fine-grained opt-in" 18:38:10 timbl has joined #tagmem 18:39:07 LM: happy to review barth sniffing draft 4 and suggest any necessary follw-up to TAG 18:39:10 ACTION larry: review draft-barth-sniff-4 and send comments, cc TAG 18:39:10 Created ACTION-386 - Review draft-barth-sniff-4 and send comments, cc TAG [on Larry Masinter - due 2010-02-11]. 18:39:16 s/follw/follow/ 18:39:28 ACTION-308? 18:39:28 ACTION-308 -- John Kemp to propose updates to Authoritative Metadata and Self-Describing Web to acknowledge the reality of sniffing -- due 2010-01-14 -- PENDINGREVIEW 18:39:28 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/308 18:41:41 close ACTION-308 18:41:41 ACTION-308 Propose updates to Authoritative Metadata and Self-Describing Web to acknowledge the reality of sniffing closed 18:43:00 Zakim, pick a victim 18:43:00 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Jonathan_Rees 18:43:30 JK: Would like the group to review http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2010Jan/0025.html 18:44:25 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2010Jan/0028.html 18:44:33 HT: Will take a look 18:44:54 ACTION Henry: review JK/NM's stuff on sniffing, authoritative metadata, self-describing web, incl. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2010Jan/0025.html 18:44:54 Created ACTION-387 - Review JK/NM's stuff on sniffing, authoritative metadata, self-describing web, incl. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2010Jan/0025.html [on Henry S. Thompson - due 2010-02-11]. 18:46:02 issue-24? 18:46:02 ISSUE-24 -- Can a specification include rules for overriding HTTPcontent type parameters? -- OPEN 18:46:02 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/24 18:46:04 zakim, unmute me 18:46:04 DKA should no longer be muted 18:46:10 ACTION-376? 18:46:10 ACTION-376 -- Daniel Appelquist to send to www-tag a pointer to and brief summary of Mobile Web Best Practices working group's "Guidelines for Web Content Transformation Proxies" and its implications for content sniffing : http://www.w3.org/TR/ct-guidelines/ -- due 2010-02-10 -- OPEN 18:46:10 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/376 18:46:47 DC: Related to content-type override issue 18:46:58 zakim, mute me 18:46:58 DKA should now be muted 18:47:14 DC: DKA - content transformation proxies? 18:47:18 Topic: ACTION-278: Draft changes to 2.7 of Metadata in URIs to cover the "Google Calendar" case 18:47:21 DKA: Later... 18:47:48 action-278? 18:47:48 ACTION-278 -- Jonathan Rees to draft changes to 2.7 of Metadata in URIs to cover the "Google Calendar" case -- due 2010-02-04 -- OPEN 18:47:48 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/278 18:47:49 JAR: Can continue my action 278 18:47:58 JAR: Change the due date 18:47:59 action-278 due 2010-02-09 18:47:59 ACTION-278 Draft changes to 2.7 of Metadata in URIs to cover the "Google Calendar" case due date now 2010-02-09 18:48:44 LM: Thinking about this a lot 18:49:02 LM: What distinguishes capability-based system and what is proposed here is... 18:49:15 LM: If you have a resource, you should have one URI 18:49:22 (indeed, there's a tension with aliasing) 18:49:31 LM: Capability URI is not usable for an "access control system" 18:50:10 LM: If you combine the key with the URI, you can't do lots of things (expire the key without expiring the URI for example) 18:50:25 LM: Confidential in the finding means something really quite strong 18:50:57 LM: Another use pattern where the information is not confidential, but not widely known 18:51:19 LM: I don't really care if people can read my calendar 18:51:26 LM: Not really confidential 18:51:48 DC: No sharp distinction between that and passwords 18:51:58 DC: Counting on you not to pass it around 18:52:11 LM: I can change the password without changing the calendar URI 18:52:22 LM: It's the address as well as the capability 18:52:34 DC: Large random numbers can be revoked 18:52:48 DC: Rethink "don't make aliases" 18:52:55 LM: That _is_ one of the conflicts 18:53:31 LM: The other is that infrastructure of the web assumes it's ok to make easily available URIs (in logs etc.) 18:53:33 q+ to gloss larry's point as revocation is willfully breaking a URI 18:54:32 TVR: Not a useful question to answer 18:54:37 ack ht 18:54:37 ht, you wanted to gloss larry's point as revocation is willfully breaking a URI 18:55:04 q? 18:55:08 HT: if you put a large random number in a uri, it says that URI identifies a resource 18:55:23 HT: you shouldn't ever revoke that capability 18:55:47 HT: so you can't easily say that a URI can be revoked 18:56:01 DC: 403/410 them, not 404 18:56:40 HT: It seems you're "cheating" - if you name a resource, and then remove access to the resource at that URI 18:57:23 DC: I'm persuaded that capability URIs are OK... 18:57:53 ("actual access control method" is needlessly pejorative... closed-minded, even.) 18:58:04 lm: Three cases (a) public, (b) obscure, (c) confidential 18:58:15 -Masinter 18:58:27 LM: I see that use of capability URIs are for non-confidential cases 18:58:37 +Masinter 18:58:43 JAR: Not sure what Tyler thinks of Larry's distinction 18:58:55 JAR: Would like to write up the "unsubscribe" case 18:59:13 masinter has joined #tagmem 18:59:30 raman has joined #tagmem 18:59:36 have a hard stop, ened to bale. 18:59:43 -Raman 18:59:44 DC: we did write that up 18:59:52 DC: GET/POST finding 18:59:56 raman has left #tagmem 19:00:26 Topic: ACTION-354: Client side storage APIs 19:00:35 action-354? 19:00:35 ACTION-354 -- Ashok Malhotra to review client side storage apis (web simple storage etc.), looking for architectural issues or other critical problems... or interesting design features the TAG should know about -- due 2010-01-21 -- PENDINGREVIEW 19:00:35 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/354 19:01:03 AM: Two client-side storage API specs. 19:01:10 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2010Jan/0008.html TAG Action-354 Review client-side storage API’s 19:01:44 AM: should have a better story than "cookies" 19:02:09 AM: name/value pairs should be made more useful 19:02:33 AM: I only looked at the two possible cookie storage replacements 19:02:43 DC: Just talking about a different use-case 19:02:58 AM: there's also a caching API spec and a web storage spec. 19:03:04 AM: I've not yet looked at these 19:03:27 DC: Would like to know about these APIs and how they compare 19:03:53 AM: Many documents seem to explore this client-side storage case 19:04:17 AM: reviewed 'index' API, 'web SQL' API 19:04:40 indexed api and web sql api 19:04:47 WebSQLDatabase and Indexed Database API 19:05:17 AM: WebSQL API is not really a spec... 19:05:36 AM: Based on SQLLite database 19:06:11 http://dev.w3.org/html5/webdatabase/ 19:07:06 AM: Can look at the other ones, but with what goal? 19:07:16 DC: Is there room in webarch for all of these? 19:07:35 Action-354: ashok to look at caching api, etc. as well 19:07:35 ACTION-354 Review client side storage apis (web simple storage etc.), looking for architectural issues or other critical problems... or interesting design features the TAG should know about notes added 19:07:45 action-354: and web storage 19:07:45 ACTION-354 Review client side storage apis (web simple storage etc.), looking for architectural issues or other critical problems... or interesting design features the TAG should know about notes added 19:07:58 action-354 due +2 weeks 19:07:58 ACTION-354 Review client side storage apis (web simple storage etc.), looking for architectural issues or other critical problems... or interesting design features the TAG should know about due date now +2 weeks 19:08:15 Topic: ISSUE-41 & ACTION-369: Shorter document on version indicators 19:08:21 action-369? 19:08:21 ACTION-369 -- Larry Masinter to write a shorter document on version indicators -- due 2010-02-04 -- PENDINGREVIEW 19:08:21 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/369 19:08:54 DC: Larry wrote a short document on version identifiers, and I reviewed it 19:09:05 LM: Have not incorporated your comments 19:09:21 LM: Suggest we postpone 19:09:54 LM: This is related to polyglot docs 19:09:54 subject of my review msg was something like "can't get behind DOCTYPE-based proposal" 19:10:11 LM: would like conforming xhtml to be conforming html when a doctype is present 19:11:01 LM: (regarding quirks mode, I missed this mostly) 19:11:22 trying to speak to the polyglot issue 19:11:47 HT: all kinds of things wrong with the section about doctypes 19:12:19 DC: W3C validator will take a document without a system identifier... 19:12:21 I'm asking for help with http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/171 19:12:48 ACTION-364? 19:12:48 ACTION-364 -- Dan Connolly to ask HTML WG team contacts to make a change proposal re issue-53 mediatypereg informed by HT's analysis and today's discussion -- due 2010-02-09 -- OPEN 19:12:48 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/364 19:13:06 ACTION-334? 19:13:06 ACTION-334 -- Henry S. Thompson to start an email thread regarding the treatment of pre-HTML5 versions in the media type registration text of HTML5 -- due 2009-12-02 -- CLOSED 19:13:06 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/334 19:14:01 HT: difference between browser behaviour and "meaning" of HTML documents 19:14:16 action-364 due +1 week 19:14:16 ACTION-364 Ask HTML WG team contacts to make a change proposal re issue-53 mediatypereg informed by HT's analysis and today's discussion due date now +1 week 19:14:26 -Ht 19:14:37 Zakim, pick a victim 19:14:37 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose John_Kemp 19:15:01 Zakim, pick a victim 19:15:01 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose DanC 19:15:05 Zakim, pick a victim 19:15:05 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose DanC 19:15:07 Zakim, pick a victim 19:15:07 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Jonathan_Rees 19:15:43 DC: can you review 0015 JAR? 19:16:06 ACTION JAR: take a look at LMM's doctype/versioning proposal http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Jan/0015.html 19:16:06 Created ACTION-388 - Take a look at LMM's doctype/versioning proposal http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Jan/0015.html [on Jonathan Rees - due 2010-02-11]. 19:17:36 q+ to ask for feedback on the Geo / DAP response I sent... 19:17:58 Topic: misc action review 19:18:01 action-354? 19:18:01 ACTION-354 -- Ashok Malhotra to review client side storage apis (web simple storage etc.), looking for architectural issues or other critical problems... or interesting design features the TAG should know about -- due 2010-02-18 -- OPEN 19:18:01 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/354 19:18:19 q- 19:18:43 AM: There's a note from mnot asking "why are they doing this?" 19:19:31 DC: Do we want to talk about resource/representation? 19:19:35 ACTION-354: Discuss MNot note when we next discuss this action 19:19:35 ACTION-354 Review client side storage apis (web simple storage etc.), looking for architectural issues or other critical problems... or interesting design features the TAG should know about notes added 19:19:36 LM: Yes 19:20:12 JAR: can talk more in email... 19:20:25 DC: shall we adjourn? 19:20:40 zakim, unmute me 19:20:40 DKA should no longer be muted 19:20:50 ACTION Larry: take Dan's proposal on resource/representation and turn it into a change proposal 19:20:50 Created ACTION-389 - Take Dan's proposal on resource/representation and turn it into a change proposal [on Larry Masinter - due 2010-02-11]. 19:20:57 close ACTION-378 (edit) 19:21:00 close ACTION-378 19:21:00 ACTION-378 Draft suggested text re resource/representation in HTML 5 for discussion with LMM and JAR closed 19:21:13 Topic: resource/representation 19:21:16 LM: One more thing.... 19:21:41 Topic: HTML Microdata publication news 19:21:41 LM: HTML WG is considering publishing microdata and RDFa FPWDs 19:21:59 LM: Vocabularies have "popped back in" 19:22:23 ADJOURN 19:23:52 -DanC 19:23:54 -Jonathan_Rees 19:23:57 -Masinter 19:24:00 -DKA 19:24:06 -John_Kemp 19:24:22 -Ashok_Malhotra 19:24:23 TAG_Weekly()1:00PM has ended 19:24:25 Attendees were DanC, Jonathan_Rees, DKA, John_Kemp, Ht, Raman, Ashok_Malhotra, Masinter, TimBL 19:24:34 Looking for an action on LMM to draft an html5 change request with DanC's work as input... 19:25:11 oh i see it now. 19:29:49 RRSAgent, draft minutes 19:29:49 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/02/04-tagmem-minutes.html DanC 19:33:24 "Broad issues of data protection such as preventing unauthorized access to an individuals' bookmarks (or cookies, for that matter) lie beyond the scope of Web architecture." 19:59:50 johnk_ has joined #tagmem 20:09:14 johnk__ has joined #tagmem 20:11:51 johnk_ has joined #tagmem 20:13:02 action-378: see action-389 for follow-up 20:13:02 ACTION-378 Draft suggested text re resource/representation in HTML 5 for discussion with LMM and JAR notes added 20:16:51 johnk__ has joined #tagmem 20:23:43 ACTION-383 due +2 weeks 20:23:43 ACTION-383 Review DanC's email on speaks_for due date now +2 weeks 20:24:17 ACTION-322 due 9 Feb 20:24:17 ACTION-322 Ask W3C management for writing resources re hyperlinking due date now 9 Feb 20:25:19 ACTION-382 due +2 weeks 20:25:19 ACTION-382 Review Web Arch web material and make proposals for changes or TAG action due date now +2 weeks 20:26:13 ACTION-369: for follow-up, see ACTION-388 20:26:14 ACTION-369 Write a shorter document on version indicators notes added 20:26:19 close action-369 20:26:19 ACTION-369 Write a shorter document on version indicators closed 20:28:38 ACTION-349: for follow-up, see ACTION-383 20:28:38 ACTION-349 Write up speaks_for applied to httpRedirections and httpRange using motivating examples notes added 20:28:45 close ACTION-349 20:28:45 ACTION-349 Write up speaks_for applied to httpRedirections and httpRange using motivating examples closed 20:52:15 johnk_ has joined #tagmem 20:57:14 johnk__ has joined #tagmem 21:12:07 jar has joined #tagmem 21:12:54 johnk has joined #tagmem 21:31:05 Zakim has left #tagmem 23:06:34 timbl_ has joined #tagmem