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15:57:36 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 2119
15:57:36 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
15:57:37 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
15:57:37 <trackbot> Date: 28 January 2010
15:58:28 <oedipus> regrets: Denis_Boudreau,Chaals,Eric_Carlson,Laura_Carlson,Steven_Faulkner,Kelly_Ford,Markku_Hakkinen,Bruce_Lawson,Aurélien_Levy,Sylvia_Pfieffer,David_Singer,Maciej_Stachowiak
15:58:43 <Zakim> +Gregory_Rosmaita
15:59:05 <Zakim> + +0207388aaaa
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15:59:28 <janina> zakim, call janina
15:59:28 <Zakim> ok, janina; the call is being made
15:59:29 <Zakim> +Janina
16:00:08 <oedipus> zakim, aaaa is Marco_Ranon
16:00:08 <Zakim> +Marco_Ranon; got it
16:00:27 <janina> zakim, drop janina
16:00:27 <Zakim> Janina is being disconnected
16:00:29 <Zakim> -Janina
16:00:36 <janina> zakim, call janina
16:00:36 <Zakim> ok, janina; the call is being made
16:00:38 <Zakim> +Janina
16:00:44 <Zakim> +Cooper
16:01:04 <Zakim> +??P8
16:01:14 <Ben> zakim, ??P8 is Ben_Caldwell
16:01:14 <Zakim> +Ben_Caldwell; got it
16:01:22 <janina> regrets: Denis Boudreau, Maciej Stachowiak, David Singer, Bruce Lawson, Markku Hakkinen, Eric Carlson, Kelly Ford, auréen levy, steven faulkner
16:01:27 <Zakim> +Matt
16:01:45 <janina> Meeting: HTML-A11Y telecon
16:01:45 <janina> Chair: Janina_Sajka
16:01:45 <janina> agenda: this
16:01:45 <janina> agenda+ Actions Review
16:01:45 <janina> agenda+ reports from TF Subgroups (Canvas; Video; ...)
16:01:46 <janina> agenda+ Proposed Consensus Procedures http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/consensus-procedures
16:01:48 <janina> agenda+ Bugs Review; Grouping; Timelines http://www.w3.org/mid/20100127001325.GE5619@sonata.rednote.net
16:01:50 <janina> agenda+ Proposed Face to Face in U.K.
16:01:52 <janina> agenda+ Table Summary http://www.w3.org/mid/C7412B925ACA454EADB3B6ECF5B960E810F776@TK5EX14MBXC139.redmond.corp.microsoft.com
16:01:55 <janina> agenda+ next meeting, confirm date/time, choose scribe
16:01:57 <janina> agenda+ New Business
16:01:59 <janina> agenda+ be done
16:02:01 <janina>  
16:02:41 <oedipus> zakim, please choose a victim
16:02:41 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Cooper
16:02:51 <oedipus> zakim, please choose a victim
16:02:51 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Marco_Ranon
16:03:06 <oedipus> zakim, please choose a victim
16:03:06 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Gregory_Rosmaita
16:04:03 <MichaelC> scribe: Marco_Ranon
16:04:52 <Zakim> +??P22
16:05:13 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P22 is Jon_Gunderson
16:05:13 <Zakim> +Jon_Gunderson; got it
16:05:21 <Marco_Ranon> action 2 left open
16:05:21 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - 2
16:05:25 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/6
16:05:28 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/2
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16:05:39 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/8
16:05:48 <Zakim> -Jon_Gunderson
16:05:53 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/11
16:05:55 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/12
16:06:31 <Zakim> +??P1
16:06:32 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/16 on Jon G
16:06:33 <Zakim> +??P16
16:06:38 <Joshue> zakim, ??P1
16:06:38 <Zakim> I don't understand '??P1', Joshue
16:06:40 <kliehm> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/
16:06:54 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P22 is Jon_Gunderson
16:06:54 <Zakim> I already had ??P22 as ShaneM, MichaelC
16:07:03 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P16 is Jon_Gunderson
16:07:03 <Zakim> +Jon_Gunderson; got it
16:07:11 <Joshue> zakim, ??P1 is Joshue
16:07:13 <Zakim> +Joshue; got it
16:07:54 <Joshue> zakim, mute me
16:07:54 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
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16:09:40 <Marco_Ranon> no sub teams report today
16:10:09 <kliehm> Re: ACTION-16 Please check out http://www.wait-till-i.com/2008/01/08/generating-charts-from-accessible-data-tables-using-the-google-charts-api/
16:10:39 <oedipus> s/no sub teams/JS: no sub teams/
16:11:27 <Marco_Ranon> JS: next item, working on proposed consensus document
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16:11:45 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
16:11:45 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/wai/pf/html/consensus-procedures.html
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16:13:40 <Marco_Ranon> JS: Consensus needs to be more than 50 percent  plus 1. need to find the sufficient percentage
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16:14:11 <Zakim> + +1.617.300.aabb - is perhaps WGBH?
16:14:32 <gfreed> 617-300 is wgbh.
16:14:33 <Marco_Ranon> JS: we want to stop discussing the same issues indefinitely but allow for constructive discussion
16:14:40 <Marco_Ranon> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/consensus-procedures
16:15:15 <Marco_Ranon> JS: any feedback on this document?
16:15:18 <janina> q?
16:15:42 <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike
16:15:42 <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
16:15:44 <Zakim> +Mike
16:16:31 <Marco_Ranon> Jon: how do we know when we are ready to submit a decision to WG?
16:17:52 <Marco_Ranon> Jon: there should should be also counter proposals
16:18:23 <Marco_Ranon> MichaelC: counter proposals should go in an appendix
16:20:56 <Marco_Ranon> Cynthia_Shelly: ideally the cycle should take a month weeks
16:21:12 <Marco_Ranon> MichaelC: two weeks for TF discussion
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16:22:39 <Marco_Ranon> JS: we need to produce change request in the TF before we we are ready to submit to WG
16:23:55 <Marco_Ranon> JS: email discussion is important as well as teleconfs
16:25:59 <Joshue> thats fine
16:26:13 <gfreed> sounds fine.
16:28:52 <Marco_Ranon> JS: do we think we should run web survey ion consensus?
16:29:40 <Marco_Ranon> Cynthia_Shelly: it was useful in WCAG, as deadline and single reference for discussion
16:30:21 <Marco_Ranon> JS: can be used to manage the TF work
16:31:32 <Marco_Ranon> JS: we would be able to approve a proposal or provide comments with a survey
16:32:21 <Marco_Ranon> Cynthia_Shelly: survey before the teleconf so people not into the call can  still provide feedback
16:33:00 <Marco_Ranon> MichaelC: call for objections with survey
16:33:14 <Zakim> + +1.512.206.aacc
16:33:35 <AllanJ> zakim, aacc is really allanj
16:33:35 <Zakim> +allanj; got it
16:33:51 <Marco_Ranon> MichaelC: call for consensus or for objection?
16:34:17 <Marco_Ranon> JS: should be call for consensus
16:35:01 <Marco_Ranon> Cynthia_Shelly: results of the survey ccould be passed on to the WG to show discussion behind a proposal
16:36:41 <kliehm> I'm OK with it.
16:36:43 <Marco_Ranon> JS: should we vote on this today? any objections?
16:36:48 <Marco_Ranon> OK
16:36:55 <AllanJ> no objection
16:36:56 <Joshue> Its fine
16:37:16 <Marco_Ranon> RESOLVED: the draft consensus procedures document was approved as amended
16:38:06 <Marco_Ranon> JS: next topic, Bugs Review; Grouping; Timelines
16:38:19 <Marco_Ranon> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Jan/0292.html
16:38:34 <Marco_Ranon> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Jan/0245.html
16:39:16 <Laura> Bugs Proposed to be Accepted
16:39:16 <Laura> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Bugs/accepted
16:39:35 <Laura> Bugs Proposed to be Rejected
16:39:36 <Laura> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Bugs/rejected
16:40:09 <Marco_Ranon> MichaelC: better to tackle the bugs by group
16:42:43 <Marco_Ranon> MichaelC: there are 10 categories
16:43:03 <Marco_Ranon> JS: questions about the grouping?
16:45:42 <MikeSmith> amen to what Gregory just said
16:46:18 <MikeSmith> q?
16:46:22 <Marco_Ranon> Jon: suggesting to group by accessibility API mapping
16:48:28 <Marco_Ranon> JS: Jon, do you want to lead on this project?
16:49:08 <Marco_Ranon> Cynthia_Shelly: Cynthia_Shelly and SteveF already working on something like this
16:50:04 <Marco_Ranon> JS: if we change group are we still sending a summary change proposal?
16:50:19 <Marco_Ranon> Cynthia_Shelly: we should due to the importance of summary
16:51:52 <Laura> Accessibility Change Proposal Status: http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Accessibility_Change_Proposal_Status
16:53:23 <Laura> If a change proposal is not completed by the deadline, the issue will be closed without prejudice & deferred to the next version of HTML.
16:56:18 <Marco_Ranon> JS: need to forward decisions to the WG fairly quickly. Using the proposed groups ould help to focus on the single items
16:56:34 <Marco_Ranon> JS: can we do that still considering accessibility API?
16:57:34 <Joshue> zakim, unmute me
16:57:34 <Zakim> Joshue should no longer be muted
16:57:37 <Joshue> +q
16:59:21 <Joshue> Joshue, to say that I agree with setting the rules for the cascade etc. @summary should be in the spec but we are aware of its limitations as a semantically rich long descriptor
16:59:23 <Marco_Ranon> JS: should we add cascading to the ten topics to be considered after the other groups?
16:59:26 <Joshue> -q
17:01:31 <Marco_Ranon> Jon: cascade will help provide arguments for the importance of things like summary but also to explain how things should work re accessibility API
17:01:42 <Zakim> -kliehm
17:02:07 <Marco_Ranon> JS: we can add cascade to the other ten groups
17:02:28 <Marco_Ranon> JS: proposing call for consensus on summarynext conf call
17:02:35 <Zakim> -Jon_Gunderson
17:03:20 <Zakim> -WGBH?
17:03:35 <Marco_Ranon> MikeSmith: will chair next week
17:03:38 <Zakim> -Matt
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17:03:49 <Joshue> bye y'all
17:03:52 <Zakim> -Cooper
17:03:53 <Zakim> -Gregory_Rosmaita
17:03:57 <Zakim> -Ben_Caldwell
17:03:59 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
17:04:01 <Zakim> -allanj
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17:04:02 <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
17:04:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/01/28-html-a11y-minutes.html MikeSmith
17:04:03 <Zakim> -Janina
17:04:11 <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make logs public
17:04:13 <Zakim> -Joshue
17:04:36 <Zakim> -Marco_Ranon
17:04:43 <Zakim> -Mike
17:04:45 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM has ended
17:04:47 <Zakim> Attendees were kliehm, Gregory_Rosmaita, +0207388aaaa, Janina, Marco_Ranon, Cooper, Ben_Caldwell, Matt, Jon_Gunderson, Joshue, Cynthia_Shelly, +1.617.300.aabb, Mike,
17:04:49 <Zakim> ... +1.512.206.aacc, allanj
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