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19:00:05 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DOM3
19:00:05 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see IA_WebApps(DOM3)2:00PM scheduled to start now
19:00:06 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Applications Working Group Teleconference
19:00:06 <trackbot> Date: 27 January 2010
19:00:09 <Zakim> IA_WebApps(DOM3)2:00PM has now started
19:00:13 <Zakim> +Shepazu
19:01:25 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
19:01:54 <Travis> Travis has joined #webapps
19:02:20 <smaug> oops
19:02:23 <smaug> just a second..
19:04:16 <Zakim> +??P7
19:04:34 <smaug> Zakim, ??P7 is me
19:04:34 <Zakim> +smaug; got it
19:04:49 <smaug> Zakim, smaug is Olli_Pettay
19:04:49 <Zakim> +Olli_Pettay; got it
19:06:10 <shepazu> http://dev.w3.org//2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html#event-flow-activation
19:09:24 <Travis> scribe: Travis
19:09:29 <Travis> scribeNick: Travis
19:09:34 <Travis> Topic: Updated Draft
19:09:50 <Travis> shepazu: clarified the section on activation behavior.
19:09:58 <Travis> ... wrote a new section on "trusted events"
19:10:13 <Travis> ... also added some prose about syncronous vs. asynchronous events
19:14:34 <Travis> ... is the Trusted event section accurate?
19:14:55 <Travis> You're missing dispatchEvent -- it'll always create un-trusted events
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19:31:09 <Travis> Topic: Internationalization
19:31:26 <Travis> shepazu: Need to examine whether the convertKeyValue API is needed.
19:31:42 <Travis> .... I will be meeting with internationalization folks to follow up on the scenarios.
19:32:03 <Travis> ... Also, want to figure out what the appropriate terminology is for the "character" returned by the 'key' API.
19:34:03 <Travis> Topic: select element context info issue
19:34:29 <Travis> Travis: We have an issue about how to get the context from a select event.
19:34:44 <Travis> shepazu: Don't think this is a blocking issue.
19:35:28 <Travis> Action: shepazu Ask SVG and HTML WGs what their recommended approach is for getting the selected text (related to select event)
19:35:28 <trackbot> Created ACTION-481 - Ask SVG and HTML WGs what their recommended approach is for getting the selected text (related to select event) [on Doug Schepers - due 2010-02-03].
19:40:10 <Travis> Action: Travis to draft flow diagram for interaction between focus(), blur() APIs and focus/blur events (including focusin/focusout)
19:40:10 <trackbot> Created ACTION-482 - Draft flow diagram for interaction between focus(), blur() APIs and focus/blur events (including focusin/focusout) [on Travis Leithead - due 2010-02-03].
19:43:23 <Travis> Topic: wheel event and default actions
19:51:06 <Travis> Resolution: Remove MouseWheel interface, and replace with a description of legacy events (DOMPixelScroll, mousewheel, etc.) in the wheel event's section
19:51:49 <Travis> Travis: I concur
19:51:57 <Travis> smaug: Yes, I agree too.
19:52:07 <Travis> Topic: initEvents
19:53:10 <shepazu> http://dev.w3.org//2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html#events-Events-DocumentEvent-createEvent
19:58:05 <Travis> smaug: I have a couple of issues with this.
19:58:27 <Travis> ... first the createEvent can now take event type names.
20:01:48 <Travis> shepazu: Reason to change this was the proliferation of init*Events on every interface.
20:08:52 <Travis> Reason I see to change this is for the use case of wanting a simple way to initialize only _some_ of the properties on a given event and leave the other properties as their defaults.
20:12:19 <smaug> http://www.w3.org/TR/cssom-view/#extensions-to-the-mouseevent-interface
20:15:19 <Travis> When authors init events, there are just some properties that can't be initialized (because they're not in the init's param list)
20:15:59 <Travis> I'd like you to add wording about what the default values are (generally) for an un-inited event.
20:16:25 <Travis> Also, please revert back to the old init* APIs--I just don't think its time to take on that problem yet.
20:18:03 <Travis> (In the future, I could see some kind of initParam("eventProperty", "eventPropertyValue")
20:18:06 <Travis> )
20:18:31 <Travis> I'd like to better understand the patterns that web developers are using here.
20:21:08 <Travis> Topic: Spec Next Steps
20:21:38 <Travis> shepazu: Assuming we get to CR, we're going to need a test suite and two interoperable implementations
20:22:02 <Travis> ... I'd love to see a script library available that allows these features to be used right away.
20:23:12 <Travis> ... I'll be looking for help with building tests
20:23:37 <Travis> ... In the next two weeks lets try to clean-up all remaining spec issues.
20:25:02 <shepazu> SENSE
20:25:02 <shepazu> Signalling Events and Notifications by Selector Expressions
20:25:03 <shepazu> Simple Eventless Notifications by Selector Expressions
20:25:51 <Travis> Action: shepazu to Email the list regarding reverting event initializers (to be tackled next version) and call for use cases.
20:25:51 <trackbot> Created ACTION-483 - Email the list regarding reverting event initializers (to be tackled next version) and call for use cases. [on Doug Schepers - due 2010-02-03].
20:26:46 <Travis> shepazu: I think I could have most of the issues resovlved by next week. I will proceed with that goal.
20:28:52 <Travis> ... Let me know if there's anything outstanding.
20:31:26 <Zakim> -Olli_Pettay
20:31:28 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
20:31:36 <Zakim> -Shepazu
20:31:37 <Zakim> IA_WebApps(DOM3)2:00PM has ended
20:31:38 <Zakim> Attendees were Shepazu, [Microsoft], Olli_Pettay
20:32:00 <shepazu> trackbot, end telcon
20:32:00 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
20:32:00 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
20:32:01 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
20:32:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-webapps-minutes.html trackbot
20:32:02 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
20:32:02 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-webapps-actions.rdf :
20:32:02 <RRSAgent> ACTION: shepazu Ask SVG and HTML WGs what their recommended approach is for getting the selected text (related to select event) [1]
20:32:02 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-webapps-irc#T19-35-28
20:32:02 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Travis to draft flow diagram for interaction between focus(), blur() APIs and focus/blur events (including focusin/focusout) [2]
20:32:02 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-webapps-irc#T19-40-10
20:32:02 <RRSAgent> ACTION: shepazu to Email the list regarding reverting event initializers (to be tackled next version) and call for use cases. [3]
20:32:02 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/27-webapps-irc#T20-25-51