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17:06:04 <nalbarr> john, is there a call today?
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17:06:47 <johnM> Yes, we are on Narciso
17:06:49 <johnM> Hi Ronald
17:06:59 <nalbarr> oh ok
17:07:10 <Ronald> Hi
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17:08:53 <ericP> Zakim, scribenic johnM 
17:08:53 <Zakim> I don't understand 'scribenic johnM', ericP
17:08:53 <mscottm> scribenick: johnM
17:08:57 <nalbarr> sorry john i always misplace the call in number
17:08:59 <ericP> scribenic: johnM 
17:09:20 <ericP> Zakim, code?
17:09:20 <Zakim> the conference code is 42572 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), ericP
17:09:28 <nalbarr> thanks
17:09:28 <ericP> nalbarr, that's for you
17:09:55 <ericP> agenda + Mayo [Harold]
17:10:02 <Zakim> + +1.847.832.aagg
17:10:14 <ericP> agenda + what happened at HL7 last week [johnM]
17:10:39 <johnM> Harold solbrig will update us on the status of the mayo terminology servers
17:11:08 <johnM> Harold: the link to get to his servers is
17:12:00 <johnM> ... http://sharedname.org/page/OntologyAccess
17:12:20 <johnM> ... so this is the Shared Names wiki website
17:13:00 <johnM> ... the owner of this website is Science Commons and it is run by the Shared Names goup
17:13:23 <johnM> Scott: consensus has been reached as to how shared names should work
17:13:35 <johnM> ... the scope of shared names does not include terminologies
17:13:45 <johnM> Harold: would like Shared Names to include terminologies
17:14:36 <johnM> ... will talk about (1) Mayo's use of S.N. and (2) join Stanford/Mayo use of S.N.
17:15:12 <johnM> ... #1 Definition: "Terminological Resource" includes "ontology", but the latter is used in heterogeneous fashion
17:15:40 <johnM> ... Harold means T.R. to be broader than "ontology"
17:16:13 <johnM> ... He defines T.R. to be "a collection of assertions about a set of identifiers"
17:16:58 <johnM> ... (you can see this on the referenced webpage) under the heading "Terminological Resources"
17:17:28 <johnM> ... #2 The phrase Unique Resource Identifier is ambiguous
17:17:57 <johnM> ... Harold means an identifier to a unique resource
17:18:01 <mscottm> Harold: We are being pragmatic about identifying digital resources (equiv. to SN approach to describing database records)
17:18:55 <johnM> ... in other words a given resource can have many unique resource identifiers
17:20:22 <johnM> ... individual terminological identifiers such as http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/CR-owl-guide-20030818/wine#BURGUNDY or urn:iso:2.16.840.1.113883.6.96:284196006 (Burn of skin in SNOMED-CT) do not resolve to a single digital resource and, as such, are clearly outside of the scope of the shared names initiative
17:24:21 <johnM> ... Harold thinks shared names should include (1) a service that returns a canonical uri for a uri
17:24:50 <johnM> ... (2) an explicit /ontology top-level domain where people can reposit ontologies
17:26:32 <johnM> Xiaoshu: should this be a search engine or a registry?
17:26:37 <johnM> Harold: a registry
17:28:37 <Zakim> - +03168163aaee
17:29:50 <johnM> Xiaoshu: This concerns me. You can't have any master registry that determines what is the same resource
17:30:08 <johnM> ... what is the same is determined by how people use the resource
17:30:21 <johnM> ... not by referring to a registry
17:31:04 <johnM> ... What is most important is that we share URI's. When sharing URI's benefits us, this is evidence that we understand each other
17:33:13 <johnM> Eric: the goal of S.N. is as follows
17:33:25 <johnM> ... we have a proliferation of uri's
17:33:56 <johnM> ... multiple people have coined identifiers for what is effectively the same object/concept
17:34:04 <johnM> ... the world is better if you have fewer
17:34:30 <johnM> ... what are the requirements to make this happen
17:35:09 <johnM> JohnM: How do we make this happen in the real world?
17:35:49 <johnM> ... a baby babbles and uses the verbalization "moo" for "milk"
17:36:05 <johnM> ... his mother figures out he means "milk"
17:36:38 <johnM> Harold: http://sharedname.org/page/Main_Page is the project main page
17:37:26 <johnM> Xiaoshu: if this is a registry, it will be useful
17:38:27 <johnM> Scott: s.n. started to avoid clashes with the ontology community
17:40:27 <mscottm> s/started/scope chosen/
17:41:37 <Zakim> - +0781617aadd
17:43:50 <johnM> Harold & Xiaoshu: long discussion of uri/urn and what they are good for, whether they must be derererencable
17:54:25 <mscottm> Zakim, who is making noise?
17:54:38 <Zakim> mscottm, listening for 12 seconds I heard sound from the following: +1.919.445.aacc (81%), John_Madden (61%), Tony (21%)
17:54:58 <johnM> whoops I will close my window
17:55:25 <mscottm> tx!
17:56:08 <johnM> H & X: discussion of http 303 redirect
17:58:54 <johnM> Scott: Pistoia is a pharma consortium that is looking at reconciling identifiers
17:59:20 <johnM> ... http://tpainc.ning.com/
17:59:39 <Zakim> - +1.847.832.aagg
18:00:05 <Zakim> -Tony
18:00:38 <mscottm> John: Some comments about HL7 
18:02:08 <mscottm> Integrating the Healthcare Enterprise
18:02:13 <Zakim> -EricP
18:02:20 <Zakim> - +03185785aaff
18:02:22 <johnM> http://www.ihe.net/
18:05:41 <mscottm> s/reconciling identifiers/pooling information resources/
18:07:12 <mscottm> bye
18:07:14 <Zakim> -kerstin
18:07:17 <Zakim> -mscottm
18:07:18 <Zakim> -xiao
18:07:18 <Zakim> -John_Madden
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18:07:37 <johnM> rrsagent, make minutes
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18:07:49 <johnM> rrsagent, make minutes public
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18:08:43 <johnM> bye all
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