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15:20:49 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 98765
15:20:49 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see INC_PROVXG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 40 minutes
15:20:50 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Incubator Group Teleconference
15:20:50 <trackbot> Date: 15 January 2010
15:21:44 <jun> Meeting: prov-xg
15:21:49 <jun> chair: Yolanda Gil
15:21:54 <jun> Scribe: Jun
15:22:01 <jun> ScribeNick: jun
15:23:02 <jun> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-prov/2010Jan/0008.html
15:23:10 <jun> zakim, save agenda
15:23:10 <Zakim> the agenda has not been entered yet, jun
15:23:14 <jun> rrsagent, set log public
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15:47:54 <YolandaG> thanks very much for scribing, Jun!!
15:51:02 <Zakim> INC_PROVXG()11:00AM has now started
15:51:09 <Zakim> +??P0
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15:52:19 <jun> trackbot, prepare telcon
15:52:22 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
15:52:24 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 98765
15:52:24 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see INC_PROVXG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes
15:52:25 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Incubator Group Teleconference
15:52:25 <trackbot> Date: 15 January 2010
15:52:44 <jun> Meeting: prov-xg
15:53:00 <jun> chair: Yolanda Gil
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15:53:17 <jun> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-prov/2010Jan/0008.html
15:53:22 <jun> Scribe: Jun
15:53:27 <jun> ScribeNick: jun
15:53:34 <jun> zakim, save agenda
15:53:34 <Zakim> the agenda has not been entered yet, jun
15:53:54 <jun> rrsagent, set log public
15:56:09 <pgroth> Zakim, who is on the call?
15:56:09 <Zakim> I notice INC_PROVXG()11:00AM has restarted
15:56:10 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P0, Jerry_Hobbs
15:56:24 <pgroth> Zakim, ??P0 is pgroth
15:56:24 <Zakim> +pgroth; got it
15:57:26 <Zakim> + +03491334aaaa
15:57:54 <jmgomez> hi all
15:58:01 <Zakim> + +1.540.449.aabb
15:58:37 <Zakim> + +30281039aacc
15:58:39 <smiles> smiles has joined #prov-xg
15:58:49 <Zakim> + +0186528aadd
15:58:55 <Irini> zakim, +30281 is Irini
15:58:55 <Zakim> +Irini; got it
15:59:02 <jun> zakim, +0186528aad is jun
15:59:02 <Zakim> +jun; got it
15:59:11 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
15:59:11 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
15:59:13 <Zakim> +Ivan
15:59:16 <Zakim> +??P7
15:59:25 <smiles> zakim, ??P7 is smiles
15:59:25 <Zakim> +smiles; got it
15:59:29 <jun> zakim, mute me
15:59:29 <Zakim> jun should now be muted
15:59:50 <Zakim> + +0012aaee
16:00:33 <Christine> Christine has joined #prov-xg
16:01:06 <jun> zakim, who's on the phone?
16:01:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see pgroth, Jerry_Hobbs, +03491334aaaa, +1.540.449.aabb, Irini, jun (muted), Ivan, smiles, +0012aaee
16:01:23 <jun> zakim, who's on the irc?
16:01:23 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, jun.
16:01:51 <jun> zakim, who is here?
16:01:51 <Zakim> On the phone I see pgroth, Jerry_Hobbs, +03491334aaaa, +1.540.449.aabb, Irini, jun (muted), Ivan, smiles, +0012aaee
16:01:53 <Zakim> On IRC I see Christine, smiles, Irini, pgroth, jun, jmgomez, YolandaG, ivan, Zakim, RRSAgent, trackbot
16:02:11 <jun> Topic: review the requirement document
16:02:39 <jun> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/wiki/Requirements
16:02:53 <jun> Paul: introduce the organization of this document
16:02:57 <YolandaG> Zakim, Jerry_Hobbs is really me
16:02:57 <Zakim> +YolandaG; got it
16:04:07 <jun> Paul: we would like everybody to go through each use case and identify the user and technical requirement
16:04:17 <smiles> +q
16:04:32 <jun> Paul: I would like to go through with everybody, whether they are happy to contribute each part
16:04:41 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:04:45 <YolandaG> q+
16:05:03 <ivan> q+
16:05:04 <jun> Paul: which I mean going through each separate dimension
16:05:14 <smiles> ack smiles
16:05:50 <jun> Yolanda: these requirements are being expressed in a very concise way
16:06:07 <ivan> ack YolandaG 
16:06:29 <jun> Yolanda: the requirement document might need to refer to the use cases, expand a bit more
16:06:47 <jun> Paul: get the core requirements out, and then go back and refill them in
16:06:55 <jun> Yolanda: agreed
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16:07:28 <jun> Ivan: these requirements should compare what we do today, and where are the missing bits
16:07:38 <jun> Paul: that should be covered in the subsequent document
16:08:07 <jun> Yolanda: agreed. starting from the requirements first would also help with indexing the state-of-the-art
16:08:39 <jun> Paul: we are trying not to be very verbose at the beginning
16:08:47 <jmgomez> I agree with that
16:09:16 <jun> Paul: I would like to sign ppl up to each dimension
16:09:39 <pgroth> attribution
16:09:44 <jun> Paul: go through each dimension and sign up ppl
16:09:47 <YolandaG> q+
16:10:23 <smiles> q+
16:10:29 <Christine> Happy to sign up to Attribution - UR
16:10:52 <Irini> Happy to sign up to Entailment
16:11:17 <jun> Simon: how many people for each dimension?
16:11:22 <Oleksiy> I would like to sign up to Attribution
16:12:26 <smiles> I would like to sign up to Debugging
16:12:29 <jun> Paul: look for ppl who have expertise in that dimension and willing to contribute
16:12:45 <jmgomez> q+
16:12:52 <smiles> ack smiles
16:12:54 <Paolo> Paolo has joined #prov-xg
16:12:55 <YolandaG> q-
16:13:04 <YolandaG> ack Ivan
16:14:12 <Oleksiy> Oleksiy Chayka
16:14:24 <pgroth> attribution
16:14:28 <pgroth> Oleksiy Chayka
16:14:31 <pgroth> Christine
16:14:34 <jmgomez> q-
16:14:36 <jun> Action: Christine, Oleksiy Chayka to Attribution
16:14:36 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Christine,
16:14:43 <Zakim> +??P5
16:14:54 <jun> zakim, unmute me
16:14:54 <Zakim> jun should no longer be muted
16:14:57 <pgroth> Process
16:15:08 <jun> zakim, mute me
16:15:08 <Zakim> jun should now be muted
16:15:08 <YolandaG> i can help with process
16:15:14 <jmgomez> jose: process
16:15:22 <jun> Action: to Jose and Yolanda to Process
16:15:22 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - to
16:15:57 <pgroth> versioning
16:16:02 <Christine> Happy to help with evolution and versioning -UR
16:16:03 <pgroth> paul groth
16:16:07 <YolandaG> i'd suggest Chris Bizer
16:16:19 <pgroth> Justification
16:16:22 <jun> Action: Paul Groth, Christine and Chris Bizer to Versioning
16:16:22 <trackbot> Could not create new action (unparseable data in server response: No child element named 'id') - please contact sysreq with the details of what happened.
16:16:33 <pgroth> James Cheney
16:16:44 <pgroth> Deborah Mcquiness
16:16:47 <pgroth> Entailment
16:16:47 <Irini> I can contribute to Entailment
16:16:51 <jmgomez> I can help with process, understanding, and trust
16:16:53 <jun> Action: to James and Deborah to Justification
16:16:53 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - to
16:16:53 <pgroth> Deborah
16:17:07 <pgroth> Publication
16:17:15 <jun> Action: to Irini and Deborah to Entailment
16:17:15 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - to
16:17:24 <jun> zakim, unmute me
16:17:24 <Zakim> jun should no longer be muted
16:17:38 <jun> zakim, mute me
16:17:38 <Zakim> jun should now be muted
16:17:42 <Paolo> zakim, mute me
16:17:42 <Zakim> sorry, Paolo, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
16:17:52 <jun> Action: to Jun for Publication
16:17:52 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - to
16:17:52 <YolandaG> how about Luc for publication
16:17:54 <pgroth> access
16:18:00 <pgroth> yogesh simmhan
16:18:08 <pgroth> Jim McCusker
16:18:17 <pgroth> Dissementation
16:18:19 <jun> Action: Yogesh and Jim McCusker for Access
16:18:19 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Yogesh
16:18:39 <pgroth> Luc moreau
16:19:05 <jun> Action: to Luc and Simon for Dissemination
16:19:05 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - to
16:19:10 <Christine> Happy to sign up - dissemination - UR
16:19:11 <pgroth> Simon Miles
16:19:20 <pgroth> Scale
16:19:26 <pgroth> Chris Bizer
16:19:48 <pgroth> Paul Groth
16:19:50 <jun> Action: Chris Bizer and Paul Groth to Scale
16:19:50 <trackbot> Could not create new action (unparseable data in server response: No child element named 'id') - please contact sysreq with the details of what happened.
16:19:56 <pgroth> Understanding
16:20:04 <Paolo> I can help do that
16:20:14 <Paolo> sorry I am on a bad wirless
16:20:14 <pgroth> Jose Gomez
16:20:22 <jun> Action: Jose and Paolo to Understanding 
16:20:22 <trackbot> Could not create new action (unparseable data in server response: No child element named 'id') - please contact sysreq with the details of what happened.
16:20:24 <Paolo> can't even try to talk
16:20:29 <pgroth> Interoprability
16:20:39 <pgroth> Luc Moreau
16:21:00 <pgroth> Kai Eckert
16:21:04 <jun> Action: Luc and Kai Eckert to Interoperability
16:21:04 <trackbot> Could not create new action (unparseable data in server response: No child element named 'id') - please contact sysreq with the details of what happened.
16:21:09 <pgroth> Accountability
16:21:15 <pgroth> Comparison
16:21:18 <pgroth> Simon Miles
16:21:52 <Paolo> I can help do Trust as well
16:22:03 <jun> Action: smiles and Jim to Comparison
16:22:03 <trackbot> Could not create new action (unparseable data in server response: No child element named 'id') - please contact sysreq with the details of what happened.
16:22:13 <pgroth> Accountability
16:22:53 <pgroth> Leliana
16:23:02 <pgroth> maybe luc
16:23:06 <pgroth> Trust
16:23:07 <jun> Action: Paul and Leliana and Luc to Accountability
16:23:07 <trackbot> Could not create new action (unparseable data in server response: No child element named 'id') - please contact sysreq with the details of what happened.
16:23:13 <pgroth> Paolo
16:23:17 <jun> I can do trust
16:23:18 <Paolo> yep
16:23:20 <YolandaG> i'd be happy to do trust
16:23:30 <jun> Action: Paolo, Jun and Yolanda to Trust
16:23:30 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Paolo,
16:23:39 <smiles> q+
16:24:14 <smiles> ack smiles
16:24:15 <pgroth> Accountability also ask Jim Myers
16:24:23 <pgroth> Imprefections
16:24:54 <pgroth> Luc Moreau
16:25:10 <jun> Action: Luc to Imperfections
16:25:10 <trackbot> Could not create new action (unparseable data in server response: No child element named 'id') - please contact sysreq with the details of what happened.
16:25:10 <pgroth> Debugging
16:25:14 <pgroth> Kai Eckert
16:25:21 <pgroth> Simon Miles
16:25:24 <jun> Action: Simon and Kai to Debugging
16:25:24 <trackbot> Could not create new action (unparseable data in server response: No child element named 'id') - please contact sysreq with the details of what happened.
16:25:47 <jun> zakim, who is noise?
16:25:47 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, jun.
16:25:54 <jun> zakim, who is noisy?
16:26:06 <Zakim> jun, listening for 12 seconds I heard sound from the following: pgroth (74%), +03491334aaaa (11%), ??P5 (21%), Ivan (13%)
16:27:04 <jun> Yolanda: would it make sense for one to be responsible for one core area?
16:27:11 <jun> Paul: agreed
16:27:34 <Zakim> + +1.915.747.aaff
16:28:10 <jun> Yolanda: we might need to adjust some later if one is signed up too much
16:28:23 <jun> Yolanda: what's the timeline?
16:28:28 <Paulo> Paulo has joined #prov-xg
16:29:03 <jun> Paul: either next week or the week after?
16:29:21 <jun> Topic: the survey of state of the art
16:30:40 <jun> Yolanda: 1/ how to create the linkage between these requirements and citations, create a bibliography?
16:31:21 <Paulo> q+
16:31:25 <jun> Yolanda: 2/ invite ppl to come over and make presentations to us?
16:32:13 <pgroth> q+
16:32:50 <Paolo> not me
16:33:43 <Paolo> in fact I will need to check out -- guest wireless useless. will catch up
16:34:42 <YolandaG> ack Paulo
16:34:46 <YolandaG> ack pgroth
16:35:17 <pgroth> q-
16:35:32 <jun> Paul: do we also need citations to user requirements?
16:36:07 <Paulo> q+
16:39:43 <YolandaG> ack Paulo
16:40:45 <jun> Yolanda: any particular topic or area where we should look for presentations?
16:40:49 <pgroth> q+
16:41:20 <jun> Paul: someone from creativecommons?
16:41:44 <smiles> q+
16:41:47 <pgroth> q-
16:42:13 <jun> Yolanda: are we looking for requirements from them?
16:42:53 <jun> Paul: that's part of it. and how they see their licensing being used
16:43:20 <ivan> ben adida?
16:43:25 <jun> I can try to contact john wilbank
16:44:20 <jun> Action: Ivan to contact Ben Adia and John Wilbank
16:44:20 <trackbot> Could not create new action (unparseable data in server response: No child element named 'id') - please contact sysreq with the details of what happened.
16:44:52 <jun> Yolanda: I would also like to see what's happening in the DC area
16:45:46 <Zakim> + +1.937.775.aagg
16:45:58 <jun> ACTION: Yolanda to contact DC ppl
16:45:58 <trackbot> Could not create new action (unparseable data in server response: No child element named 'id') - please contact sysreq with the details of what happened.
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16:46:06 <jmgomez> q+
16:46:18 <jun> Yolanda: anyone interested in about OPM?
16:46:37 <pgroth> OPM++
16:46:42 <pgroth> a discussion would be great
16:47:21 <jun> Simon: interested in DC-related things, database community for provenance, provenance in semantic web
16:47:46 <Irini> +q
16:48:11 <pgroth> how many do we want?
16:48:12 <YolandaG> ack smiles
16:48:18 <YolandaG> ack jmgomez
16:48:21 <jun> Yolanda: I will ask James Cheney
16:48:51 <jun> Jose: I would like to hear more from users of provenance, e.g. the eGov group
16:49:43 <Christine> +q
16:50:00 <Zakim> - +0012aaee
16:50:05 <jun> Christine: I can follow up with the eGov group
16:50:18 <jmgomez> q-
16:50:27 <Zakim> +??P10
16:50:38 <Christine> q-
16:50:53 <pgroth> what's their name?
16:51:03 <jun> Irini: someone else from UPenn might also give a talk about provenance in DB
16:51:30 <Irini> q-
16:52:01 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
16:52:06 <jun> Yolanda: Chris Bizer on WIQA?
16:52:50 <pgroth> that would be great
16:52:52 <jun> Yolanda: also interested in having Pat Hayes
16:53:22 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:53:22 <pgroth> pat would be great
16:54:27 <jun> Yolanda: anyone from W3C?
16:54:35 <Paulo> q+
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16:54:56 <jun> Ivan: not sure at the moment, maybe come back in a few months
16:55:47 <YolandaG> ack Paulo
16:56:16 <jun> Paulo: SPARQL WG? our provenance is encoded in the way that SPARQL can use, for instance?
16:56:26 <pgroth> i think sparql is getting too technical now
16:57:10 <jun> Paulo: requirements around entailment
16:57:44 <pgroth> but we don't even have the requirements yet
16:58:02 <pgroth> seems a bit premature
16:58:13 <jun> Ivan: a new draft coming out of SPARQL in ~2 weeks, reviewing any provenance issues that might come out
16:59:37 <jun> Topic: F2F meeting
17:00:02 <jun> Yolanda: is still working on it with the WWW people
17:00:16 <pgroth> can't we use skype
17:00:21 <pgroth> :-)
17:00:55 <jun> twitter!
17:01:03 <pgroth> +1 for twitter
17:02:24 <jun> Ivan: we need a few good machines
17:02:33 <Zakim> -pgroth
17:02:34 <Zakim> -YolandaG
17:02:34 <Zakim> -Irini
17:02:35 <Zakim> - +1.540.449.aabb
17:02:35 <Zakim> - +1.937.775.aagg
17:02:35 <Zakim> -smiles
17:02:37 <ivan> zakim, drop me
17:02:37 <Zakim> - +03491334aaaa
17:02:38 <Zakim> Ivan is being disconnected
17:02:39 <jun> tracebot, end telcon
17:02:40 <Zakim> -Ivan
17:02:42 <Zakim> - +1.915.747.aaff
17:02:44 <Zakim> -??P10
17:02:46 <ivan> ivan has left #prov-xg
17:02:55 <jun> trackbot, end telcon
17:02:55 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
17:02:55 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been pgroth, +03491334aaaa, +1.540.449.aabb, +30281039aacc, +0186528aadd, Irini, jun, Ivan, smiles, +0012aaee, YolandaG, [IPcaller],
17:02:56 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
17:02:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/01/15-prov-xg-minutes.html trackbot
17:02:57 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
17:02:57 <RRSAgent> I see 18 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/15-prov-xg-actions.rdf :
17:02:57 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Christine, Oleksiy Chayka to Attribution [1]
17:02:57 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/15-prov-xg-irc#T16-14-36
17:02:57 <RRSAgent> ACTION: to Jose and Yolanda to Process [2]
17:02:57 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/15-prov-xg-irc#T16-15-22
17:02:57 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Paul Groth, Christine and Chris Bizer to Versioning [3]
17:02:57 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/15-prov-xg-irc#T16-16-22
17:02:57 <RRSAgent> ACTION: to James and Deborah to Justification [4]
17:02:57 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/15-prov-xg-irc#T16-16-53
17:02:57 <RRSAgent> ACTION: to Irini and Deborah to Entailment [5]
17:02:57 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/15-prov-xg-irc#T16-17-15
17:02:57 <RRSAgent> ACTION: to Jun for Publication [6]
17:02:57 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/15-prov-xg-irc#T16-17-52
17:02:57 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Yogesh and Jim McCusker for Access [7]
17:02:57 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/15-prov-xg-irc#T16-18-19
17:02:57 <RRSAgent> ACTION: to Luc and Simon for Dissemination [8]
17:02:57 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/15-prov-xg-irc#T16-19-05
17:02:57 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Chris Bizer and Paul Groth to Scale [9]
17:02:57 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/15-prov-xg-irc#T16-19-50
17:02:57 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jose and Paolo to Understanding  [10]
17:02:57 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/15-prov-xg-irc#T16-20-22
17:02:57 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Luc and Kai Eckert to Interoperability [11]
17:02:57 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/15-prov-xg-irc#T16-21-04
17:02:57 <RRSAgent> ACTION: smiles and Jim to Comparison [12]
17:02:57 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/15-prov-xg-irc#T16-22-03
17:02:57 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Paul and Leliana and Luc to Accountability [13]
17:02:57 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/15-prov-xg-irc#T16-23-07
17:02:57 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Paolo, Jun and Yolanda to Trust [14]
17:02:57 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/15-prov-xg-irc#T16-23-30
17:02:57 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Luc to Imperfections [15]
17:02:57 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/15-prov-xg-irc#T16-25-10
17:02:57 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Simon and Kai to Debugging [16]
17:02:57 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/15-prov-xg-irc#T16-25-24
17:02:57 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ivan to contact Ben Adia and John Wilbank [17]
17:02:57 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/15-prov-xg-irc#T16-44-20
17:02:57 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Yolanda to contact DC ppl [18]
17:02:57 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/15-prov-xg-irc#T16-45-58
17:02:58 <Zakim> ... +1.915.747.aaff, +1.937.775.aagg
17:02:58 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
17:03:44 <YolandaG> thank you so much Jun for scribing!!