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20:26:02 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WSRA
20:26:02 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see WS_WSRA()3:30PM already started
20:26:04 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Services Resource Access Working Group Teleconference
20:26:04 <trackbot> Date: 12 January 2010
20:26:31 <Zakim> +Bob_Freund
20:26:44 <dug> Bonjour Bob
20:26:52 <Bob> Hola
20:27:35 <asoldano> hi
20:27:42 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
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20:29:49 <Bob> chair: Bob Freund
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20:30:02 <Zakim> + +984999aaaa
20:30:02 <Zakim> +??P4
20:30:14 <dug> zakim, who is on?
20:30:14 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, dug.
20:30:21 <dug> zakim, who is on the phone?
20:30:21 <Zakim> On the phone I see [IBM], Bob_Freund, [Microsoft], +984999aaaa, ??P4
20:30:28 <dug> zakim, IBM is Dug
20:30:28 <Zakim> +Dug; got it
20:30:31 <Zakim> +Tom_Rutt
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20:31:06 <Zakim> +Yves
20:31:17 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra
20:31:31 <Zakim> +asoldano
20:31:53 <dug> yves - what's the "-617" mean?
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20:32:33 <dug> ah
20:32:48 <DaveS> Dave Snelling will need to leave the call for a few minute in the middle.
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20:33:08 <dug> I thought your home base was in Europe
20:33:20 <Zakim> +li
20:33:21 <Yves> it is
20:33:38 <dug> ah
20:34:05 <dug> got it - makes sense
20:34:35 <Zakim> +JeffM
20:35:21 <Bob> http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/ra/chair-tools/scribelist.html
20:35:57 <Zakim> +Gilbert_Pilz
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20:36:22 <Zakim> + +03531803aabb
20:36:41 <Zakim> + +1.408.202.aacc
20:37:45 <Bob> zakim, pick a victim
20:37:45 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Gilbert_Pilz
20:38:01 <gpilz> scribe: gpilz
20:38:10 <gpilz> topic: agenda
20:38:20 <dug> agenda:  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2010Jan/0072.html
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20:39:03 <Zakim> + +0192670aadd
20:39:09 <dug> q+
20:39:22 <DaveS> Attendees:
20:39:22 <DaveS> Tom Rutt - USA - Fujitsu
20:39:22 <DaveS> Doug Davis - USA - IBM
20:39:22 <DaveS> David Snelling - USA - Fujitsu
20:39:22 <DaveS> Martin D Chapman - UK - Oracle
20:39:22 <DaveS> Gilbert Pilz - USA - Oracle
20:39:25 <DaveS> Ram Jeyaraman - USA - Microsoft 
20:39:26 <DaveS> Ashok Malhotra - USA - Oracle
20:39:28 <DaveS> Asir S Vedamuthu - India - Microsoft
20:39:30 <DaveS> Bob Freund - USA - Hitachi
20:39:39 <Zakim> + +1.571.262.aaee
20:39:40 <gpilz> topic: upcoming F2F meeting
20:39:42 <MartinC> I probably wont be attending in person
20:39:55 <gpilz> Bob: make sure you send Dave Snelling the appropriate info
20:40:27 <Yves> sent
20:40:52 <dug> q+
20:41:42 <Zakim> - +1.571.262.aaee
20:41:43 <Bob> ack dug
20:41:54 <Zakim> + +1.571.262.aaff
20:42:21 <gpilz> all: (misc. discussion on which issues are ready for discussion/resolution)
20:42:42 <gpilz> topic: issue 8068
20:42:44 <dug> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2010Jan/0065.html
20:43:40 <gpilz> Doug: (describes proposal)
20:43:56 <gpilz> .... probably too early to act on this today
20:44:15 <gpilz> Bob: (directs members to review and be prepared to discuss mabe next week)
20:44:40 <gpilz> topic: issue 8293
20:44:42 <dug> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8293
20:44:42 <DaveS> Dave S leaving the call for a few minutes.
20:44:42 <gpilz> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8293
20:44:51 <Zakim> -??P4
20:45:18 <Vikas> Vikas joining the call.
20:45:40 <Ram> +1
20:45:46 <gpilz> Gil: reviews proposal
20:46:02 <gpilz> resolution: issue 8293 resolved with proposal contained in issue description
20:46:16 <gpilz> topic: issue 8295
20:46:25 <Ram> q+
20:46:40 <Bob> ack ram
20:46:48 <gpilz> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8295
20:47:05 <gpilz> Ram: there are earlier resolutions that address this (8200 and 8297)
20:47:40 <gpilz> resolution: issue 8295 closed with no action
20:48:07 <gpilz> topic: issue 8296
20:48:08 <gpilz> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8296
20:48:21 <gpilz> Ram: same comment as before
20:48:25 <dug> "When this element is not present, the endpoint MUST return all available metadata. "
20:48:53 <gpilz> resolution: issue 8296 closed with no action
20:52:41 <gpilz> topic: issue 8205
20:52:42 <gpilz> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8205
20:53:12 <gpilz> Ram: I need more time
20:53:51 <gpilz> topic: issue 8164
20:54:05 <dug> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009Dec/0025.html
20:54:07 <gpilz> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8164
20:55:10 <Ram> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009Dec/0046.html
20:57:01 <Bob> li?
20:57:31 <gpilz> the current editor's draft says: A       subscription manager MAY choose to support mechanisms, such as the      [WS-MakeConnection] specification, to enable delivery of       notifications to non-addressable endpoints. See the       [WS-MakeConnection] specification for more information, and an       example, of how this would work.     
20:58:14 <DaveS> Dave S dialing back in Thx.
20:59:15 <Zakim> +??P16
20:59:50 <dug> proposal: add "and the SubscriptionEnd message" to the MC text per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009Dec/0025.html    but do not include the Note:
21:00:13 <gpilz> resolution: issue 8164 closed with above change
21:01:45 <gpilz> topic: issue 8176
21:01:47 <dug> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2010Jan/0045.html
21:01:55 <gpilz> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8176
21:02:30 <Ram> q+
21:02:34 <gpilz> Doug: (describes proposal)
21:02:47 <Bob> ack ram
21:03:02 <gpilz> Ram: agrees with proposal mod an editorial change
21:03:27 <gpilz> s/conformat/conformant/
21:03:40 <dug> and "implemention"
21:03:45 <gpilz> s/implemention/implementation/
21:04:12 <gpilz> resolution: 8176 resolved with above proposal mod spelling corrections
21:04:30 <gpilz> topic: issue 8275
21:04:31 <gpilz> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8275
21:06:27 <gpilz> Doug: (objects to requiring XPath)
21:06:29 <dug> happy crap!
21:06:33 <gpilz> Gil: would like more time
21:07:01 <DaveS> q+
21:07:15 <dug> q+
21:07:45 <Bob> ack dave
21:08:14 <Bob> q+
21:08:25 <Katy> q+
21:08:45 <Bob> ack dug
21:09:44 <Bob> ack bob
21:09:47 <Bob> ack katy
21:09:53 <gpilz> q+
21:10:14 <Bob> ack gpi
21:10:36 <Katy> q+
21:10:45 <dug> q+
21:10:51 <DaveS> q+
21:10:56 <Bob> ack katy
21:11:12 <Bob> ack dug
21:11:16 <Bob> ack dave
21:11:33 <gpilz> action item: gil to submit new proposal to 8275; no compliance, recommend XPath 1.0
21:11:33 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - item
21:11:55 <gpilz> action item: gpilz to submit new proposal to 8275; no compliance, recommend XPath 1.0
21:11:55 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - item
21:12:25 <gpilz> action item: pilz to submit new proposal to 8275; no compliance, recommend XPath 1.0
21:12:25 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - item
21:12:44 <gpilz> action: gilbert to submit new proposal to 8275; no compliance, recommend XPath 1.0
21:12:44 <trackbot> Created ACTION-133 - Submit new proposal to 8275; no compliance, recommend XPath 1.0 [on Gilbert Pilz - due 2010-01-19].
21:13:21 <gpilz> topic: issue 8281
21:13:24 <Ram> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2010Jan/0032.html 
21:13:29 <gpilz> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8281
21:13:54 <dug> q+
21:14:07 <Bob> ack dug
21:14:44 <gpilz> resolution: issue 8281 closed with above resolution
21:15:42 <gpilz> topic: issue 8300
21:15:43 <gpilz> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8300
21:17:01 <dug> q+
21:17:07 <Bob> ack dug
21:17:43 <gpilz> resolution: issue 8300 with proposal in original issue email
21:18:21 <gpilz> topic: issue 8284
21:18:22 <gpilz> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8284
21:18:33 <asoldano> yes
21:21:37 <dug> yes?
21:21:52 <Bob> yes, he could here me
21:22:03 <Bob> s/here/hear
21:22:10 <dug> ah  missed that
21:22:43 <Ram> q+
21:22:57 <Bob> ack ram
21:25:06 <Ram> q+
21:25:52 <Bob> ack ram
21:26:22 <gpilz> http://www.w3.org/2009/12/ws-enu
21:26:31 <Tom_Rutt> q+
21:26:59 <Bob> ack tom
21:29:13 <dug> q+
21:30:01 <gpilz> q+
21:30:11 <Zakim> - +984999aaaa
21:30:20 <dug> q-
21:30:33 <Bob> ack gpi
21:30:43 <Zakim> + +91.98.49.99.aagg
21:31:56 <gpilz> action: gilbert - concrete proposal to 8284
21:31:56 <trackbot> Created ACTION-134 - - concrete proposal to 8284 [on Gilbert Pilz - due 2010-01-19].
21:32:14 <gpilz> action: ram - list of obectionable requirements in Section 4 of BP 1.1
21:32:14 <trackbot> Created ACTION-135 - - list of obectionable requirements in Section 4 of BP 1.1 [on Ram Jeyaraman - due 2010-01-19].
21:32:46 <gpilz> topic: issue 8303
21:32:52 <gpilz> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8303
21:33:38 <Ram> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2010Jan/0051.html
21:34:15 <dug> q+
21:34:46 <Bob> ack dug
21:35:15 <dug> q+
21:35:28 <Bob> ack dug
21:37:13 <dug> "Additional extension elements MAY be included only after the mandated first child element."  to "If present, any extension elements MUST be included after the mandated first child element."
21:37:29 <gpilz> Doug: second part of proposal is moot
21:38:05 <gpilz> resolution: issue 8303 (remaining part) resolved with above text
21:38:33 <gpilz> topic: issue 8192
21:38:39 <gpilz> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8192
21:38:52 <Ram> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009Dec/0072.html
21:40:43 <gpilz> resolution: issue 8192 closed with proposal in above message
21:41:45 <MartinC> motion to sleep
21:41:51 <gpilz> topic: f2f preparations
21:41:53 <gpilz> q+
21:41:59 <Bob> ack gpi
21:42:30 <gpilz> gil: request ws-eventing issues be covered in the morning to accomodate Martin
21:44:33 <dug> 8286 today?
21:48:19 <Ram> q+
21:51:17 <gpilz> q+
21:51:27 <dug> q+
21:51:34 <Bob> ack ram
21:52:23 <Ram> q+
21:52:44 <Bob> ack gp
21:52:52 <Bob> ack dug
21:53:33 <Bob> ack ram
21:54:06 <dug> q+
21:54:17 <gpilz> q+
21:54:20 <Bob> ack dug
21:54:58 <Ram> q+
21:55:09 <Bob> ack gpi
21:55:49 <dug> q+
21:56:56 <gpilz> q+
21:57:04 <Bob> ack ram
21:58:14 <Bob> ack dug
21:58:46 <Bob> ack gpi
22:00:58 <dug> gil - yep, an effect of FormatURI  
22:01:40 <Zakim> - +1.571.262.aaff
22:01:41 <Zakim> -Tom_Rutt
22:01:42 <Zakim> -??P16
22:01:43 <Zakim> -li
22:01:43 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
22:01:45 <Zakim> -asoldano
22:01:46 <Zakim> -Yves
22:01:46 <Zakim> -Dug
22:01:48 <Zakim> -Gilbert_Pilz
22:01:49 <Zakim> -Bob_Freund
22:01:51 <Zakim> - +1.408.202.aacc
22:01:53 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
22:01:55 <Zakim> - +03531803aabb
22:01:55 <Bob> rrsagent, generate minutes
22:01:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/01/12-ws-ra-minutes.html Bob
22:01:57 <Zakim> -JeffM
22:01:58 <dug> not bad - down to 39 issues
22:02:05 <asoldano> :)
22:02:12 <dug> oops, 38
22:03:17 <Zakim> - +0192670aadd
22:08:18 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, +91.98.49.99.aagg, in WS_WSRA()3:30PM
22:08:20 <Zakim> WS_WSRA()3:30PM has ended
22:08:24 <Zakim> Attendees were Bob_Freund, [Microsoft], +984999aaaa, Dug, Tom_Rutt, Yves, Ashok_Malhotra, asoldano, li, JeffM, Gilbert_Pilz, +03531803aabb, +1.408.202.aacc, +0192670aadd,
22:08:26 <Zakim> ... +1.571.262.aaee, +1.571.262.aaff, +91.98.49.99.aagg