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16:14:52 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 98765
16:14:52 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see INC_PROVXG()11:00AM scheduled to start 14 minutes ago
16:14:53 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Incubator Group Teleconference
16:14:53 <trackbot> Date: 08 January 2010
16:14:56 <Deborah> +q
16:15:28 <pgroth> +q
16:15:48 <YolandaG> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-prov/2010Jan/0002.html
16:16:03 <YolandaG> scribe: YolandaG
16:16:19 <YolandaG> zakim, who is there?
16:16:19 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, YolandaG.
16:16:26 <YolandaG> zakim, who is here?
16:16:26 <Zakim> I notice INC_PROVXG()11:00AM has restarted
16:16:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see pgroth, YolandaG, Betty, smiles, Irini, +03491334aaaa, michaelp, jun, ??P8, olaf, +1.540.449.aacc, +1.518.276.aadd, ??P14, Satya, Ivan, +1.915.603.aaee, Marisol
16:16:32 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, lkagal, olaf, ssahoo2, ivan, afreitas, Deborah, Christine, michaelp, smiles, paulo, Luc, jun, pgroth, keckert, YolandaG, Irini, Zakim, trackbot
16:17:21 <YolandaG>  Simon Miles discusses http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/wiki/Use_Cases#Exemplifying_Provenance_Dimensions_with_Use_Cases
16:17:34 <lkagal> Zakim, Marisol is really me
16:17:34 <Zakim> +lkagal; got it
16:17:45 <YolandaG> q- Deborah
16:18:29 <Zakim> +??P21
16:19:36 <smiles> q?
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16:21:39 <YolandaG> Deborah mentions that it is not clear that people look at the comments on the "discussion page" of the use cases
16:22:00 <YolandaG> Deborah suggests an alternative of having comments in-line within the use case page, which can be turned off
16:22:06 <pgroth> q-
16:22:11 <YolandaG> Deborah will look into how to do this on the wiki
16:23:21 <YolandaG> q+
16:24:53 <paulo> q+
16:27:44 <YolandaG> q-
16:28:25 <pgroth> i like the names, by the way, simon
16:28:27 <YolandaG> Paul Groth asks if by merging use cases we will lose valuable information
16:28:32 <pgroth> or identifers
16:29:06 <YolandaG> Yolanda comments that having very few use cases is useful, and that as we articulate requirements we can elaborate using the use case scenario as a starting point
16:29:35 <YolandaG> Yolanda: our timeline is at http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/wiki/Timeline
16:31:09 <pgroth> +q
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16:31:55 <ssahoo2> q+
16:32:07 <pgroth> q-
16:32:24 <pgroth> q+
16:32:29 <YolandaG> Yolanda: The next stage for the XG is to articulate requirements (due end of Jan)
16:32:53 <Zakim> +??P22
16:33:33 <YolandaG> Yolanda: The way I was thinking about approaching requirements is to describe each provenance dimension in terms of the exemplar use cases, elaborating on requirements/challenges/issues in the context of the exemplar use cases
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16:34:18 <ssahoo2> q-
16:34:21 <YolandaG> Satya: do we have to merge all the use cases for a given dimension
16:35:22 <smiles> ack paulo
16:35:30 <smiles> ack pgroth
16:35:47 <YolandaG> Simon: we don't have to merge all use cases, but we do want to merge enough so we have a small set of cases
16:36:32 <Luc> q+
16:36:47 <pgroth> q-
16:38:58 <smiles> q?
16:39:03 <smiles> ack Luc
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16:40:48 <jmgomezperez> q+
16:40:50 <Luc> q+
16:40:55 <pgroth> +1 for keeping it
16:41:41 <YolandaG> Paul Groth asks about requirements: do we include organization requirements or just technical requirements
16:41:55 <YolandaG> Luc suggests to start with user requirements, then do technical requirements
16:42:34 <YolandaG> Yolanda says we need a small group of editors to lead the effort on articulartion of requirements
16:42:42 <smiles> ack jmgomezperez
16:43:16 <Deborah> +1 to luc's point about making it easy to print
16:43:41 <smiles> ack Luc
16:43:48 <pgroth> +q
16:43:50 <pgroth> q-
16:44:25 <YolandaG> Luc requests having all the information in one page that can be printed, Simon will look into that
16:45:58 <paolo> +q
16:47:07 <YolandaG> Yolanda: Further comments on the proposed organization of use cases should be posted to the mailing list
16:47:43 <YolandaG> Paolo Missier mentions that the Mendeley collection should be used to refer to papers mentioned in the use case
16:48:18 <YolandaG> Yolanda requests a report/comments on status of curation
16:48:35 <paolo> ack
16:50:00 <pgroth> what day?
16:50:45 <Deborah> http://www.websci10.org/home.html  i need to attend this on 26-27
16:52:14 <paolo> reasonable for me -- but I may not attend at all. it's largely a budget issue in my case, to be resolved soon-ish
16:52:18 <pgroth> if I can come, then those are fine with me
16:52:35 <jun> i can do with Sun/Monday, although there will be an HCLS workshop on Monday
16:52:41 <Deborah> sunday/monday preference
16:54:40 <pgroth> i can do it
16:54:43 <paolo> I am keen to contribute
16:54:53 <ssahoo2> I will be happy to contribute
16:54:54 <jun> me too
16:54:56 <paolo> i.e. co-edit
16:55:12 <ssahoo2> me too co-edit
16:55:13 <paolo> editing that's what I mean
16:55:24 <pgroth> jun
16:55:26 <paolo> Jun!
16:56:13 <Deborah> happy to contribute (probably better than editing from a time perspective)
16:56:15 <pgroth> use the wiki
16:57:38 <paolo> yep
16:57:44 <jmgomezperez> yep
16:57:46 <jun> sounds a good plan
16:57:46 <Deborah> ok
16:57:51 <pgroth> lol
16:58:09 <paolo> give Paul a fancy hat :-)
16:59:21 <lkagal> Thanks, bye
16:59:22 <Zakim> -pgroth
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16:59:24 <ivan> bye
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16:59:26 <Zakim> -??P14
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16:59:30 <ivan> zakim, drop me
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16:59:51 <Zakim> INC_PROVXG()11:00AM has ended
16:59:53 <Zakim> Attendees were YolandaG, pgroth, Betty, smiles, Irini, +03491334aaaa, michaelp, jun, olaf, +1.540.449.aacc, +1.518.276.aadd, Satya, Ivan, +1.915.603.aaee, lkagal
16:59:56 <jmgomezperez> -jmgomezperez
17:00:15 <YolandaG> Paolo: curation is going very smoothly, the discussions with use case authors converge very swiftly
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17:01:54 <YolandaG> Yolanda: Now on to the face to face meeting.  We agreed to collocating with WWW in Raleigh NC, they are ok with this, and it looks like the best time may be April 25-26 (Sun-Mon)
17:02:45 <YolandaG> Yolanda: next step for the XG is to articulate requirements.  This should be a self-contained document with 2-3 editors, should be done by the end of Jan
17:04:16 <YolandaG> Volunteers for editors of requirements document: Paul Groth (POC), Paolo Missier, Satya Sahoo, Jun Zhao
17:04:53 <YolandaG> Yolanda: Thank you!  Please bring a skeleton of the document to the next telecon, with names of people that you would expect to contribute to each section
17:05:12 <YolandaG> trackbot, end telcon
17:05:12 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
17:05:12 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
17:05:13 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
17:05:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/01/08-prov-xg-minutes.html trackbot
17:05:14 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
17:05:14 <RRSAgent> I see no action items