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14:01:49 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DOM3
14:01:49 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
14:01:50 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Applications Working Group Teleconference
14:01:50 <trackbot> Date: 07 January 2010
14:02:03 <Steven> oops
14:02:08 <ArtB> Scribe: Art
14:02:09 <Steven> How many people are joining?
14:02:09 <ArtB> ScribeNick: ArtB
14:02:11 <ArtB> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010JanMar/0053.html
14:02:12 <ArtB> Meeting: Widgets Voice Conference
14:02:14 <ArtB> Date: 7 January 2010
14:02:15 <ArtB> Chair: Art
14:02:17 <ArtB> Regrets: Frederick
14:02:39 <ArtB> zakim, this is widgets
14:02:40 <Zakim> ok, ArtB; that matches IA_WebApps(Widgets)9:00AM
14:02:59 <ArtB> RRSAgent, make minutes
14:02:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/01/07-wam-minutes.html ArtB
14:03:04 <drogers> present+ David_Rogers
14:03:15 <Steven> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:03:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P2, Art_Barstow
14:03:15 <ArtB> zakim, who is here
14:03:16 <Zakim> ArtB, you need to end that query with '?'
14:03:21 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
14:03:21 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
14:03:22 <Zakim> +Steven
14:03:38 <Zakim> +Marcos
14:03:54 <ArtB> Present: David, Art, Steven, Marcos 
14:04:11 <Steven> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:04:11 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P2, Art_Barstow, Steven, Marcos
14:04:21 <Steven> zakim, ??P2 is David
14:04:21 <Zakim> +David; got it
14:04:45 <Steven> zakim, mute me
14:04:45 <Zakim> Steven should now be muted
14:05:05 <Zakim> +??P9
14:05:20 <ArtB> Present+ Robin
14:05:36 <ArtB> Topic: Review and tweak agenda
14:05:43 <ArtB> AB: the draft agenda was sent out yesterday ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010JanMar/0053.html ). Any change requests?
14:06:04 <ArtB> [ no ]
14:06:10 <ArtB> Topic: Announcements
14:06:17 <marcin> marcin has joined #wam
14:06:18 <ArtB> AB: WARP LC comment period ends Jan 13. Does anyone have any short announcements?
14:06:38 <ArtB> [ no ]
14:06:48 <ArtB> Topic: Letter from ISO JTC1/SC 34/WG4
14:06:56 <marcin> Present+ Marcin_Hanclik
14:06:57 <ArtB> AB: On 29 December, Mohamed ZERGAOUI sent WebApps an letter ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009OctDec/1500.html ) on behalf of ISO SC34/WG4. The letter notes some similarities between our widget packaging spec and their Open Packaging Conventions spec.
14:07:16 <Zakim> + +0492084aaaa
14:07:26 <marcin> Zakim, aaaa is marcin
14:07:26 <Zakim> +marcin; got it
14:07:26 <ArtB> Present+ Marcin
14:08:02 <ArtB> AB: I have not read the OPC spec; anyone read it?
14:08:05 <ArtB> MC: I read it
14:08:18 <ArtB> AB: anything you want to share about it?
14:08:36 <ArtB> MC: during our req gathering phase, we discussed similarities
14:08:44 <ArtB> ... I have refs to the original emails
14:08:58 <ArtB> ... this was mentioned by IBM (JonF)
14:09:05 <ArtB> ... it was at least 2 years ago
14:09:54 <ArtB> ... a conclusion was that ISO should start a ISO ZIP WG
14:10:01 <ArtB> ... but don't know if that started or not
14:10:11 <ArtB> ... I think ISO should create an ISO ZIP spec
14:10:23 <ArtB> ... it would be good to get a real ZIP standard
14:10:32 <ArtB> ... and not just some PKWare spec
14:11:00 <Zakim> +??P12
14:11:06 <ArtB> AB: I recall those conversations with JonF on this subject
14:11:17 <timeless_mbp> Zakim: +??p12 is me
14:11:22 <ArtB> Present+ Josh
14:11:36 <ArtB> ACTION: barstow respond to Mohamed's 29-Dec-2009 email from ISO SC34/WG4
14:11:36 <trackbot> Created ACTION-474 - Respond to Mohamed's 29-Dec-2009 email from ISO SC34/WG4 [on Arthur Barstow - due 2010-01-14].
14:11:37 <timeless_mbp> Zakim, +??p12 is me
14:11:37 <Zakim> sorry, timeless_mbp, I do not recognize a party named '+??p12'
14:11:48 <timeless_mbp> Zakim, ??p12 is me
14:11:48 <Zakim> +timeless_mbp; got it
14:12:02 <ArtB> AB: after I respond, Marcos, perhaps you can respond too
14:12:03 <ArtB> MC: OK
14:12:21 <ArtB> AB: anything else on this topic for today?
14:12:23 <ArtB> [ no ]
14:12:40 <Steven> q+
14:12:53 <Steven> ack me
14:12:58 <ArtB> Topic: Status of URI Scheme spec
14:13:17 <ArtB> SP: should this ISO be coordinated via HCG?
14:13:33 <ArtB> ... external coord typically goes thru HCG
14:13:47 <ArtB> AB: good question
14:13:58 <Steven> zakim, mute me
14:13:58 <Zakim> Steven should now be muted
14:13:59 <ArtB> ... I can forward it to HCG and seek comments
14:14:09 <ArtB> SP: yes, a heads-up to them would be good
14:14:26 <ArtB> ACTION: barstow forward ISO packaging email to HCG
14:14:26 <trackbot> Created ACTION-475 - Forward ISO packaging email to HCG [on Arthur Barstow - due 2010-01-14].
14:14:39 <ArtB> AB: Robin, what is the status of the URI Scheme spec ( http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2006/waf/widgets-uri/ )?
14:15:08 <ArtB> RB: Larry replied on the TAG list
14:15:21 <ArtB> ... also got some feedback from Jonathan Rees (sp?)
14:15:30 <ArtB> ... we need to  continue discussions
14:15:33 <darobin> s/ (sp?)//
14:15:54 <ArtB> AB: so related discussions are happening on www-tag?
14:15:56 <ArtB> RB: yes
14:16:15 <ArtB> AB: we all have an action to contribute to the related discussion on www-tag
14:16:24 <ArtB> ... I haven't been following that list
14:16:39 <ArtB> AB: anything else on this spec for today?
14:16:56 <ArtB> RB: no; Larry's comments need to be discussed
14:17:07 <ArtB> Topic: Status of View Modes Media Features (VM-MF) spec:
14:17:13 <ArtB> AB: would one of the Editors of the VMMF spec please give a short status of the spec ( http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets-vmmf/ ).
14:17:39 <ArtB> MH: last month I commented on VF's related input
14:17:49 <ArtB> ... I am in the process of reflecting those comments in the spec
14:17:55 <ArtB> ... but only a local copy now
14:18:38 <ArtB> ... I will have something to review in a week
14:18:49 <ArtB> ... the VF proposal included some interfaces
14:19:02 <ArtB> ... that will need to be addressed in the context of the VM-I spec
14:19:30 <ArtB> AB: any status on VM-I status to report?
14:19:43 <ArtB> MH: it needs to be developed in paralle with VM-MF spec
14:20:00 <ArtB> ... should be ready for a CfC on FPWD of VM-I within a week or two
14:20:43 <ArtB> AB: an action to all to reveiew VM-I spec in the context of "is it ready for FPWD" ( http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets-vm/vm-interfaces.src.html )
14:21:05 <ArtB> MH: re, the VM-I spec, it resembles D3E spec
14:22:03 <ArtB> ... I may move VM-I to ReSpec but D3E is probably too big to move
14:22:15 <ArtB> ... I have been discussing this with Doug Schepers
14:22:30 <ArtB> AB: any other comments on the VM specs?
14:22:33 <ArtB> [ no ]
14:22:41 <ArtB> Topic: Status of Updates spec
14:22:47 <ArtB> AB: anything to report on the Updates spec ( http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets-updates/ ) Marcos?
14:22:52 <drogers> sorry I have a small comment
14:23:51 <ArtB> DR: re VM-MF or VM-I, doesn't have a Sec Consids sec
14:23:56 <ArtB> ... will both have a Sec Consids section?
14:24:11 <ArtB> MH: VM-I does not have such a section yet
14:24:18 <ArtB> ... it's still early and one can be added
14:24:29 <ArtB> DR: I'll look into what could be added
14:24:43 <ArtB> MH: It's OK with me if we add such a section to VM-I
14:25:29 <ArtB> MC: I expect to restart work on it next week
14:26:25 <ArtB> ... hope to get it ready for a new pub by end of the month
14:26:54 <ArtB> AB: any other status for today before AOB?
14:26:56 <ArtB> [ none ]
14:27:04 <ArtB> Topic: AOB
14:27:13 <ArtB> AB: would like to take a quick look at the Widgets pub status page ( http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/PubStatus#Widgets_Specifications ) and update accordingly.
14:28:16 <ArtB> AB: I last updated the table a few weeks ago
14:28:22 <ArtB> AB: any updates needed?
14:28:24 <ArtB> [ none ]
14:28:32 <ArtB> AB: any other business for today?
14:29:39 <ArtB> AB: voice confs
14:29:49 <ArtB> ... frequency going forward
14:31:21 <ArtB> AB: last call for discussion topics for today
14:31:41 <darobin> bye!
14:31:41 <ArtB> AB: meeting adjourned
14:31:46 <Zakim> -darobin
14:31:47 <Zakim> -David
14:31:47 <Zakim> -Steven
14:31:47 <Zakim> -Marcos
14:31:48 <Zakim> -marcin
14:31:48 <Zakim> -timeless_mbp
14:31:49 <ArtB> RRSAgent, make minutes
14:31:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/01/07-wam-minutes.html ArtB
14:32:06 <Zakim> -Art_Barstow
14:32:07 <Zakim> IA_WebApps(Widgets)9:00AM has ended
14:32:09 <Zakim> Attendees were Art_Barstow, Steven, Marcos, David, darobin, +0492084aaaa, marcin, timeless_mbp
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14:32:46 <Steven> It didn't seem to recognise your caller id this time, did it?
14:32:59 <timeless_mbp> yeah it didn't
14:33:09 <timeless_mbp> i'm using nokia's SIP gateway
14:33:16 <darobin> timeless_mbp: if you say "Zakim, foo is timeless" that's what it'll recognise you as
14:33:26 <Steven> That means that for some reason your caller ID didn't get through
14:33:29 <darobin> if you do "foo is me" it'll take you IRC nick
14:33:36 <Steven> In that case Zakim is unable to do anything
14:33:37 <timeless_mbp> darobin: yeah, i realized that eventually
14:33:39 <timeless_mbp> it's a bit less
14:33:42 <timeless_mbp> err late
14:33:49 <darobin> go to sleep man!
14:33:56 <timeless_mbp> it's 4:30pm :(
14:34:16 <ArtB> zakim, bye
14:34:16 <Zakim> Zakim has left #wam
14:34:18 <timeless_mbp> afaik my sip gateway usually includes caller ID
14:34:31 <Steven> Zakim would have reported it if it had received it
14:34:48 <darobin> nothing wrong with sleeping at 1630!
14:34:58 <ArtB> rrsagent, bye
14:34:58 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/07-wam-actions.rdf :
14:34:58 <RRSAgent> ACTION: barstow respond to Mohamed's 29-Dec-2009 email from ISO SC34/WG4 [1]
14:34:58 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/07-wam-irc#T14-11-36
14:34:58 <RRSAgent> ACTION: barstow forward ISO packaging email to HCG [2]
14:34:58 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/07-wam-irc#T14-14-26