IRC log of wam on 2010-01-07

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Zakim, this will be DOM3
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I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
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Meeting: Web Applications Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 07 January 2010
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Scribe: Art
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How many people are joining?
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ScribeNick: ArtB
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Meeting: Widgets Voice Conference
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Date: 7 January 2010
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Chair: Art
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Regrets: Frederick
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zakim, this is widgets
14:02:40 [Zakim]
ok, ArtB; that matches IA_WebApps(Widgets)9:00AM
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RRSAgent, make minutes
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14:03:04 [drogers]
present+ David_Rogers
14:03:15 [Steven]
zakim, who is on the phone?
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On the phone I see ??P2, Art_Barstow
14:03:15 [ArtB]
zakim, who is here
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ArtB, you need to end that query with '?'
14:03:21 [Steven]
zakim, dial steven-617
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ok, Steven; the call is being made
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Present: David, Art, Steven, Marcos
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zakim, who is on the phone?
14:04:11 [Zakim]
On the phone I see ??P2, Art_Barstow, Steven, Marcos
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zakim, ??P2 is David
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+David; got it
14:04:45 [Steven]
zakim, mute me
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Steven should now be muted
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14:05:20 [ArtB]
Present+ Robin
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Topic: Review and tweak agenda
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AB: the draft agenda was sent out yesterday ( ). Any change requests?
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[ no ]
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Topic: Announcements
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AB: WARP LC comment period ends Jan 13. Does anyone have any short announcements?
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[ no ]
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Topic: Letter from ISO JTC1/SC 34/WG4
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Present+ Marcin_Hanclik
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AB: On 29 December, Mohamed ZERGAOUI sent WebApps an letter ( ) on behalf of ISO SC34/WG4. The letter notes some similarities between our widget packaging spec and their Open Packaging Conventions spec.
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+ +0492084aaaa
14:07:26 [marcin]
Zakim, aaaa is marcin
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+marcin; got it
14:07:26 [ArtB]
Present+ Marcin
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AB: I have not read the OPC spec; anyone read it?
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MC: I read it
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AB: anything you want to share about it?
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MC: during our req gathering phase, we discussed similarities
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... I have refs to the original emails
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... this was mentioned by IBM (JonF)
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... it was at least 2 years ago
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... a conclusion was that ISO should start a ISO ZIP WG
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... but don't know if that started or not
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... I think ISO should create an ISO ZIP spec
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... it would be good to get a real ZIP standard
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... and not just some PKWare spec
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AB: I recall those conversations with JonF on this subject
14:11:17 [timeless_mbp]
Zakim: +??p12 is me
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Present+ Josh
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ACTION: barstow respond to Mohamed's 29-Dec-2009 email from ISO SC34/WG4
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Created ACTION-474 - Respond to Mohamed's 29-Dec-2009 email from ISO SC34/WG4 [on Arthur Barstow - due 2010-01-14].
14:11:37 [timeless_mbp]
Zakim, +??p12 is me
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sorry, timeless_mbp, I do not recognize a party named '+??p12'
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Zakim, ??p12 is me
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+timeless_mbp; got it
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AB: after I respond, Marcos, perhaps you can respond too
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AB: anything else on this topic for today?
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[ no ]
14:12:40 [Steven]
14:12:53 [Steven]
ack me
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Topic: Status of URI Scheme spec
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SP: should this ISO be coordinated via HCG?
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... external coord typically goes thru HCG
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AB: good question
14:13:58 [Steven]
zakim, mute me
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Steven should now be muted
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... I can forward it to HCG and seek comments
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SP: yes, a heads-up to them would be good
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ACTION: barstow forward ISO packaging email to HCG
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Created ACTION-475 - Forward ISO packaging email to HCG [on Arthur Barstow - due 2010-01-14].
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AB: Robin, what is the status of the URI Scheme spec ( )?
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RB: Larry replied on the TAG list
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... also got some feedback from Jonathan Rees (sp?)
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... we need to continue discussions
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s/ (sp?)//
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AB: so related discussions are happening on www-tag?
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RB: yes
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AB: we all have an action to contribute to the related discussion on www-tag
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... I haven't been following that list
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AB: anything else on this spec for today?
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RB: no; Larry's comments need to be discussed
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Topic: Status of View Modes Media Features (VM-MF) spec:
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AB: would one of the Editors of the VMMF spec please give a short status of the spec ( ).
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MH: last month I commented on VF's related input
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... I am in the process of reflecting those comments in the spec
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... but only a local copy now
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... I will have something to review in a week
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... the VF proposal included some interfaces
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... that will need to be addressed in the context of the VM-I spec
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AB: any status on VM-I status to report?
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MH: it needs to be developed in paralle with VM-MF spec
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... should be ready for a CfC on FPWD of VM-I within a week or two
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AB: an action to all to reveiew VM-I spec in the context of "is it ready for FPWD" ( )
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MH: re, the VM-I spec, it resembles D3E spec
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... I may move VM-I to ReSpec but D3E is probably too big to move
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... I have been discussing this with Doug Schepers
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AB: any other comments on the VM specs?
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[ no ]
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Topic: Status of Updates spec
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AB: anything to report on the Updates spec ( ) Marcos?
14:22:52 [drogers]
sorry I have a small comment
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DR: re VM-MF or VM-I, doesn't have a Sec Consids sec
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... will both have a Sec Consids section?
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MH: VM-I does not have such a section yet
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... it's still early and one can be added
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DR: I'll look into what could be added
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MH: It's OK with me if we add such a section to VM-I
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MC: I expect to restart work on it next week
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... hope to get it ready for a new pub by end of the month
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AB: any other status for today before AOB?
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[ none ]
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Topic: AOB
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AB: would like to take a quick look at the Widgets pub status page ( ) and update accordingly.
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AB: I last updated the table a few weeks ago
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AB: any updates needed?
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[ none ]
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AB: any other business for today?
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AB: voice confs
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... frequency going forward
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AB: last call for discussion topics for today
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AB: meeting adjourned
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IA_WebApps(Widgets)9:00AM has ended
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Attendees were Art_Barstow, Steven, Marcos, David, darobin, +0492084aaaa, marcin, timeless_mbp
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14:32:46 [Steven]
It didn't seem to recognise your caller id this time, did it?
14:32:59 [timeless_mbp]
yeah it didn't
14:33:09 [timeless_mbp]
i'm using nokia's SIP gateway
14:33:16 [darobin]
timeless_mbp: if you say "Zakim, foo is timeless" that's what it'll recognise you as
14:33:26 [Steven]
That means that for some reason your caller ID didn't get through
14:33:29 [darobin]
if you do "foo is me" it'll take you IRC nick
14:33:36 [Steven]
In that case Zakim is unable to do anything
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darobin: yeah, i realized that eventually
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it's a bit less
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err late
14:33:49 [darobin]
go to sleep man!
14:33:56 [timeless_mbp]
it's 4:30pm :(
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zakim, bye
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14:34:18 [timeless_mbp]
afaik my sip gateway usually includes caller ID
14:34:31 [Steven]
Zakim would have reported it if it had received it
14:34:48 [darobin]
nothing wrong with sleeping at 1630!
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rrsagent, bye
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ACTION: barstow respond to Mohamed's 29-Dec-2009 email from ISO SC34/WG4 [1]
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ACTION: barstow forward ISO packaging email to HCG [2]
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recorded in