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19:45:12 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see INC_SSN()3:00PM scheduled to start in 15 minutes
19:45:13 <trackbot> Meeting: Semantic Sensor Network Incubator Group Teleconference
19:45:13 <trackbot> Date: 05 January 2010
19:45:27 <Holger> Regrets: Oscar, Luis, Simon
19:45:34 <Holger> agenda+ Roll call
19:45:41 <Holger> agenda+ XG Report
19:45:48 <Holger> agenda+ Issue 2/basic Ontology concepts
19:45:54 <Holger> agenda+ Semantic Markup
19:46:01 <Holger> agenda+ AOB
19:46:09 <Holger> Chair: Holger
19:53:41 <Zakim> INC_SSN()3:00PM has now started
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19:54:03 <Holger> zakim, ??P4 is me.
19:54:03 <Zakim> +Holger; got it
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20:00:02 <laurent_oz> I have just joined (Laurent)
20:00:37 <Holger> zakim, who's on the phone?
20:00:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see Holger, +1.206.662.aaaa, ??P6
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20:02:50 <Manfred_DERI> Hi anyone here already? I do not hear anything ...
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20:03:34 <Arthur> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
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20:04:27 <laurent_oz> ??P8 is me
20:04:55 <Manfred_DERI> zakim, who is on the phone
20:04:55 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', Manfred_DERI
20:05:01 <laurent_oz> zakim, ??P8 is me
20:05:01 <Zakim> +laurent_oz; got it
20:05:21 <Manfred_DERI> zakim, who's on the call?
20:05:22 <Zakim> On the phone I see Holger, +1.206.662.aaaa, mib_c9am4h, laurent_oz, michael, Satya, Arthur, krp, kerry
20:05:39 <Manfred_DERI> zakim, +1.206.662.aaaa is me
20:05:39 <Zakim> +Manfred_DERI; got it
20:06:33 <laurent_oz> Regrets from Luis via mailing list. He's giving a talk and wishes everyone a happy new year
20:06:50 <Holger> agenda?
20:09:30 <Holger> ScribeNick: Arthur
20:09:53 <Arthur> topic: XG Report
20:11:03 <Arthur> kerry: delivery date 2nd march
20:11:41 <Arthur> ... we should have first draft till end of january
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20:12:36 <Holger> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/XGR/
20:16:17 <Manfred_DERI> +1 (I will have time in Feb if needed)
20:16:28 <Holger> +1
20:16:32 <mib_c9am4h> +1
20:16:32 <krp> +1
20:16:48 <michael> +1
20:16:55 <Arthur> volunteers to work on the draft so far: Kerry, Kevin, Arhtur
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20:17:35 <Arthur> action: prepare draft for XG report for kerry, kevin, arthur
20:17:35 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - prepare
20:18:47 <Holger> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-ssn/2009Dec/0066.html
20:18:53 <Arthur> topic: Issue 2 basic Ontology concepts
20:21:25 <JohnG> +q
20:21:41 <krp> +q
20:22:58 <Holger> ack JohnG
20:23:14 <Arthur> JohnG: what is the status for relationship between processes and systems?
20:25:10 <Holger> ack krp
20:25:31 <Arthur> Michael: System describes structural make up, Proceses describe temporal ordering and data flow.  
20:28:07 <JohnG> I appreciated the point that pushing system and process together prematurely may mush different types of things unhelpfully.
20:28:26 <JohnG> +q
20:28:39 <Holger> ack JohnG
20:29:17 <michael> +q
20:29:45 <Holger> ack michael
20:30:38 <JohnG> +q
20:32:23 <Holger> ack JohnG
20:32:33 <michael> hasSubsystem also sounds like a sensible name
20:33:30 <michael> +q
20:33:56 <krp> +q
20:33:56 <Holger> ack michael
20:34:45 <Manfred_DERI> +q
20:34:46 <JohnG> To finish about system and process, I concur that whether these are related will, in the end, depend on their exact definitions.
20:34:50 <cory> +q
20:35:02 <Holger> ack krp
20:35:04 <laurent_oz> Recommends to have explanations which covers the different cases explicitly 
20:35:21 <kerry> michael's comment is important for composable ontologies
20:35:40 <laurent_oz> 1st case is complex sensing system with sub-system, components, sensors
20:35:50 <laurent_oz> 2nd case is simple sensor
20:36:05 <michael> +q
20:36:21 <Holger> ack Manfred_DERI
20:37:09 <Holger> ack cory
20:37:48 <Holger> ack michael
20:39:13 <kerry> +q
20:39:29 <michael> Luis is missing - he is interested in this.
20:40:21 <JohnG> can you please post the link to the definitions page? (or is it http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/SWE_terms?)
20:40:37 <michael> +q
20:40:50 <laurent_oz> Yes that's the page I talked about
20:40:54 <Arthur> action: laurent_oz to update the terminology from micheals email
20:40:54 <trackbot> Created ACTION-4 - Update the terminology from micheals email [on Laurent Lefort - due 2010-01-12].
20:40:56 <Holger> ack kerry
20:41:32 <Holger> ack michael
20:42:51 <kerry> +q
20:42:59 <Holger> ack kerry
20:43:12 <krp> +q
20:43:46 <JohnG> +q
20:43:59 <JohnG> +1
20:44:03 <Arthur> +1
20:44:05 <Manfred_DERI> +1
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20:45:12 <krp> +1
20:45:13 <cory> +1
20:45:16 <michael> +1
20:45:25 <laurent_oz> +1
20:45:25 <Holger> ack JohnG
20:45:31 <krp> -1
20:45:33 <Holger> ack krp
20:45:33 <krp> -q
20:45:34 <Arthur> kerry: vote and pin down the structure proposed by michael, so we can go on
20:45:42 <krp> (not -1!)
20:46:01 <michael> good idea
20:47:41 <krp> only that hasComponent is inconsistently named, but I think Michael's already noted that.
20:47:51 <Holger> agenda?
20:47:56 <michael> yeah hasSubsystem ??
20:48:06 <Arthur> topic: Semantic Markup
20:48:13 <krp> yeah, that would seem more consistent... if a mouthful ;)
20:50:08 <laurent_oz> Link to the page http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Review_of_semantic_annotation_proposals
20:50:59 <JohnG> +q
20:50:59 <kerry> laurent -- krysztof has volunteered to write on sapience in the XG report, too
20:51:12 <Holger> ack JohnG
20:51:42 <Arthur> +q
20:52:28 <krp> That's why we have to work on it soon ;)
20:53:28 <Arthur> SSN-XG Webprotege page: http://130.83.166.191/webprotege/
20:53:41 <Holger> ack Arthur
20:56:42 <laurent_oz> Note to JohnG: the SWE terms page (http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/SWE_terms) is the page we agree to use as a mean to converge on the terms used especially for cases where a term can be used with 2 different meanings. It started as a OGC-centric one. I added the VIM terms. Everyone is invited to review and amend it. The nominated co-editors are Luis and Kevin. 
20:57:17 <laurent_oz> I want to be a WebProtege user
20:57:24 <cory> +1
20:57:26 <michael> +1
20:57:29 <kerry> +1
20:57:32 <Holger> +1
20:57:35 <mib_c9am4h> +1 (kelsey)
20:57:38 <krp> +1
20:57:44 <JohnG> +1
20:57:52 <JohnG> and I'm sure Luis will too
20:58:38 <laurent_oz> Participants details are here: http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=43337
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20:59:43 <Holger> zakim, bye 
20:59:43 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Holger, michael, Satya, mib_c9am4h, Arthur, krp, kerry, laurent_oz, Manfred_DERI, +1.650.450.aabb, +1.650.450.aacc
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20:59:52 <Holger> rrsagent, make log public 
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21:00:03 <Holger> rrsagent, draft minutes 
21:00:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/01/05-ssn-minutes.html Holger
21:00:32 <Holger> rrsagent, bye 
21:00:32 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/05-ssn-actions.rdf :
21:00:32 <RRSAgent> ACTION: prepare draft for XG report for kerry, kevin, arthur [1]
21:00:32 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/05-ssn-irc#T20-17-35
21:00:32 <RRSAgent> ACTION: laurent_oz to update the terminology from micheals email [2]
21:00:32 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/05-ssn-irc#T20-40-54