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<kasei> Present: Greg, AndyS, bglimm, SteveH, chimezie, MattPerry, pgearon, Lee_Feigenbaum 13:59:32 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #sparql 13:59:32 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/07/31-sparql-irc 13:59:34 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world 13:59:34 <Zakim> Zakim has joined #sparql 13:59:36 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 77277 13:59:36 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute 13:59:37 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference 13:59:37 <trackbot> Date: 31 July 2012 13:59:45 <AndyS> zakim, who is on the phone? 13:59:45 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has not yet started, AndyS 13:59:46 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, MattPerry, bglimm, MacTed, LeeF, AndyS, iv_an_ru, SteveH, pgearon, trackbot, kasei, sandro, ya, ericP 14:00:13 <AndyS> zakim, start 77277 14:00:13 <Zakim> I don't understand 'start 77277', AndyS 14:00:19 <AndyS> zakim, who is on the phone? 14:00:19 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has not yet started, AndyS 14:00:20 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, MattPerry, bglimm, MacTed, LeeF, AndyS, iv_an_ru, SteveH, pgearon, trackbot, kasei, sandro, ya, ericP 14:00:31 <SteveH> Zakim, this is 77277 14:00:31 <Zakim> ok, SteveH; that matches SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM 14:00:38 <AndyS> zakim, who is on the phone? 14:00:39 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P2, kasei, ??P6, ??P8 14:00:48 <AndyS> zakim, ??P2 is me 14:00:48 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it 14:00:53 <bglimm> Zakim, ??P8 is me 14:00:53 <Zakim> +bglimm; got it 14:01:02 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me 14:01:02 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted 14:01:09 <SteveH> Zakim, ??P6 is me 14:01:09 <Zakim> +SteveH; got it 14:01:16 <bglimm> ack me 14:01:23 <bglimm> Zakim, ack me 14:01:23 <Zakim> I see ??P8, ??P6 on the speaker queue 14:01:33 <SteveH> Zakim, q= 14:01:35 <Zakim> SteveH, if you meant to query the queue, please say 'q?'; if you meant to replace the queue, please say 'queue= ...' 14:01:45 <SteveH> Zakim, queue= 14:01:45 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue 14:01:58 <bglimm> Zakim, who is on the phone? 14:01:58 <Zakim> On the phone I see AndyS, kasei, SteveH, bglimm 14:02:20 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me 14:02:21 <chimezie> chimezie has joined #sparql 14:02:22 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted 14:02:54 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aaaa 14:03:00 <Zakim> + +1.216.694.aabb 14:03:07 <chimezie> Zakim, +1.216.694.aabb is me 14:03:07 <Zakim> +chimezie; got it 14:03:10 <MattPerry> zakim, aaaa is me 14:03:10 <Zakim> +MattPerry; got it 14:03:16 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me 14:03:16 <Zakim> chimezie should now be muted 14:04:05 <Zakim> +pgearon 14:05:32 <SteveH> ping LeeF ? 14:06:55 <AndyS> OK - plan C in a couple of mins - ad hoc. 14:07:14 <SteveH> I have to go in about 10 mins 14:07:58 <bglimm> at least we could record holiday plans 14:08:10 <SteveH> I can scribe for 10 mins 14:08:16 <kasei> i can do it after that 14:08:39 <SteveH> AndyS: queyr went to 3rd LC - no substantive comments 14:08:39 <LeeF> LeeF has joined #sparql 14:08:54 <SteveH> … one question from David B., just a question 14:08:55 <LeeF> I'm here, I'm here. Sigh, I stink. 14:09:23 <Zakim> +Lee_Feigenbaum 14:09:34 <SteveH> … message from Greg about testsuite status 14:09:53 <SteveH> … few update issues around 14:10:04 <SteveH> s/issues/comments/ 14:10:14 <SteveH> pgearon: not sure, some are not done 14:10:39 <SteveH> … will chase them up after the (abreviated) call 14:10:53 <SteveH> AndyS: couple of David B comments 14:11:26 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me 14:11:26 <Zakim> chimezie should no longer be muted 14:11:29 <SteveH> … and some for chimezie 14:11:54 <SteveH> chimezie: are there a couple of GSP comments still open 14:11:57 <SteveH> AndyS: yes 14:12:01 <AndyS> KK-6, GR-3 14:12:07 <AndyS> KK-6, GR-3 14:12:09 <AndyS> GR-4 14:12:15 <AndyS> KK-8, KK-9 14:12:24 <AndyS> KK-13 14:12:24 <SteveH> AndyS: I think some of these are done 14:12:29 <SteveH> … from memory 14:12:59 <Zakim> -chimezie 14:13:03 <chimezie> Will check those 14:13:16 <AndyS> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments 14:13:32 <SteveH> AndyS: looking for red comments 14:14:56 <AndyS> RC-2 draft 14:16:23 <SteveH> Topic: testsuite 14:16:30 <kasei> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JulSep/0081.html 14:16:35 <SteveH> kasei: sent email ^^ 14:16:47 <SteveH> .. there's a few typos, but in general I think it's the current state 14:16:54 <SteveH> … about 12 tests need unapproving 14:17:01 <SteveH> … one needs changing 14:17:17 <SteveH> … there's a list of tests that are waiting agreement, but have multiple agreement 14:17:29 <SteveH> s/agreement$/implementation/ 14:17:51 <SteveH> AndyS: can we do the unaproving, all to do with BINDINGS 14:18:14 <SteveH> … and can we do the fix, and go for mass approval of long list later 14:19:06 <SteveH> AndyS: let unapprove a PP test too 14:19:29 <LeeF> #pp28 14:19:45 <kasei> and bindings/manifest#b1 - #b8 14:20:16 <kasei> scribenick: kasei 14:20:20 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Unapprove tests bindings/manifest#b[1-8] and syntax-query/manifest#test_3[5-8] and services/manifest#service4 and property-path/manifest#pp28 as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JulSep/0081.html 14:20:26 <Zakim> -SteveH 14:20:32 <AndyS> +1 14:20:40 <MattPerry> +1 14:20:41 <kasei> +1 14:20:42 <bglimm> +1 14:20:43 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Unapprove tests bindings/manifest#b[1-8] and syntax-query/manifest#test_3[5-8] and services/manifest#service4 and property-path/manifest#pp28 as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JulSep/0081.html 14:21:22 <kasei> kasei: I can commit these changes after the call. 14:21:26 <LeeF> ACTION: Gregory to record unapprovals 14:21:26 <trackbot> Created ACTION-662 - Record unapprovals [on Gregory Williams - due 2012-08-07]. 14:21:28 <kasei> AndyS: I can write a new test for pp28 14:21:41 <kasei> ... and can run all the tests. 14:21:44 <LeeF> ACTION: Andy to write a new test for pp28 and run a new report for ARQ on all the tests 14:21:45 <trackbot> Created ACTION-663 - Write a new test for pp28 and run a new report for ARQ on all the tests [on Andy Seaborne - due 2012-08-07]. 14:22:01 <kasei> LeeF: that would bring us totally up to date on query, correct? 14:22:03 <kasei> AndyS: yes. 14:22:22 <kasei> LeeF: what's the situation with the two notclassified update tests? 14:24:25 <kasei> kasei: this was the fix to Axel's new-ish test (regarding parsing of bnodes) 14:24:59 <kasei> ... the fix needs approval with all the rest next week. 14:25:25 <kasei> LeeF: what about entailment tests? 14:25:40 <kasei> ... are there people we should reach out to that could run the test suite? 14:25:49 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me 14:25:49 <Zakim> bglimm should no longer be muted 14:26:18 <kasei> bglimm: I haven't finished implementation, and am going on holiday. Will try to do that when I get back. 14:26:41 <kasei> ... I can run the tests, but still some things that I need to fix before I can do a proper implementation report. 14:26:55 <kasei> bglimm: I'm only implementing the direct semantics regime. 14:26:59 <LeeF> kasei, sorry 14:27:06 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me 14:27:06 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted 14:27:26 <bglimm> Jeff is implementing at the moment 14:27:52 <bglimm> and I also contacted Michael Schneider and he is currently working on the RDF-Based semantics regime 14:28:04 <kasei> LeeF: Stardog does some entailment. Do we know specifics? 14:28:05 <bglimm> I haven't talked to Kendall yet 14:28:17 <bglimm> Michael Schneider will also support RDF and RDFS 14:28:32 <bglimm> We'll need RIF implementations 14:28:50 <kasei> ... would be good to determine where we stand in terms of which tests we think will have implementation coverage. 14:28:56 <bglimm> Chime maybe? 14:29:17 <pgearon> Errr… I implement RIF 14:29:23 <bglimm> :-) 14:30:02 <kasei> LeeF: paul, can we get you to run the entailment tests? 14:30:08 <bglimm> I guess we also need more tests ;-) 14:30:12 <kasei> pgearon: I can try to get it done outside of work. 14:30:20 <bglimm> That's also still on my TODO list 14:30:45 <kasei> AndyS: I'm sure revelytix would like to be on th implementation report. 14:31:51 <kasei> LeeF: service description? 14:32:55 <kasei> kasei: Chime and I both have implementations that pass the tests. 14:32:59 <kasei> ... need to approve the tests. 14:33:20 <kasei> LeeF: could we approve the tests right now? 14:34:39 <kasei> https://github.com/kasei/sparql11-sdvalidator 14:35:29 <kasei> kasei: the documentation at the github page for the service description validator has some brief description of the three tests. 14:36:08 <kasei> LeeF: happy with the three test descriptions. 14:36:54 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Approve the 3 service description tests at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/implementations/ 14:37:42 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Approve the 3 service description tests service-description/manifest#conforms-to-schema service-description/manifest#has-endpoint-triple & service-description/manifest#returns-rdf 14:37:46 <kasei> +1 14:37:58 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Approve the 3 service description tests service-description/manifest#conforms-to-schema service-description/manifest#has-endpoint-triple & service-description/manifest#returns-rdf 14:38:01 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Approve the 3 service description tests service-description/manifest#conforms-to-schema service-description/manifest#has-endpoint-triple & service-description/manifest#returns-rdf 14:38:11 <LeeF> ACTION: Gregory to mark the Sd tests as approved 14:38:11 <trackbot> Created ACTION-664 - Mark the Sd tests as approved [on Gregory Williams - due 2012-08-07]. 14:38:42 <kasei> LeeF: protocol validator status? 14:40:11 <kasei> kasei: I had gotten about half way through the work on implementing the protocol validator. 14:40:22 <kasei> ... good idea on path forward, just having trouble finding the time to finish it. 14:40:37 <kasei> LeeF: have we discussed GSP testing? 14:41:04 <kasei> ... need to add that to the agenda (next week) 14:41:25 <kasei> ... who implements GSP? 14:41:41 <kasei> kasei: Kjetil has been working on an implementation. could check with him on status. 14:41:47 <kasei> AndyS: I do. Steve does as well. 14:42:29 <LeeF> Summary: Need to put GSP test suite on next week's agenda 14:42:52 <kasei> LeeF: should be able to wrap up query and update next week. 14:43:03 <kasei> ... JSON is fine. Federation should be done next week. 14:43:11 <kasei> ... entailment has a path forward, but we don't know the timeline yet. 14:43:11 <bglimm> I updated last years vacation list: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Vacation_List2012 14:43:15 <kasei> ... CSV/TSV is fine. 14:43:22 <kasei> ... SD has a path forward that should be quick. 14:43:30 <bglimm> So we could also record our vacation plans there 14:43:30 <kasei> ... Protocol has a path forward, but work needed to make progress. 14:43:35 <AndyS> q+ to speak when this section is finished 14:43:37 <kasei> ... GSP needs discussion next week. 14:44:11 <kasei> AndyS: advertisement of recent publication? 14:44:27 <kasei> LeeF: W3C announcement has been done. haven't reached out to RDF WG yet. let's do that now. 14:44:35 <AndyS> ack me 14:44:35 <Zakim> AndyS, you wanted to speak when this section is finished 14:45:04 <bglimm> OWL WG? 14:45:12 <bglimm> RIF? 14:45:47 <bglimm> Also we got both RIF and OWL to review the Ent. Regimes doc I believe 14:46:10 <bglimm> s/Also/Althouhg/ 14:46:49 <kasei> q+ to ask about test suite CVS 14:47:50 <kasei> LeeF: anything specific we want other groups to look at? 14:48:12 <kasei> ... at risk parts of document? 14:49:48 <kasei> LeeF: the at risk note at the start of query section 19... all 4 of those changes are in the document currently? 14:50:15 <kasei> AndyS: would have to check how \u escapes are worded. 14:50:32 <kasei> ... I think the statement is true. 14:50:53 <kasei> ... shouldn't be a colon in the 3rd bullet point. 14:51:31 <kasei> LeeF: will include this as something to look at in reviews. 14:53:37 <LeeF> q? 14:54:22 <LeeF> ack kasei 14:54:22 <Zakim> kasei, you wanted to ask about test suite CVS 14:55:13 <kasei> kasei: wondering if we ever figured out the problems with CVS that were yielding outdated versions of the test suite via http. 14:55:34 <kasei> LeeF: don't remember this issue. 14:57:43 <kasei> kasei: jeen had suggested publishing a tarball of the test suite once its stabilized. 14:57:44 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Vacation_List2012 14:57:49 <kasei> LeeF: happy to do that when we get there. 14:58:20 <pgearon> +q 14:58:25 <LeeF> ack pgearon 14:58:45 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Future_Work_Items 14:58:48 <kasei> pgearon: one of david booth's comments was a wish list item. is there a document where we're keeping things like that? 14:58:59 <pgearon> q- # SPECIAL MARKER FOR CHATSYNC. 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