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13:56:20 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #sparql 13:56:20 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/07/03-sparql-irc 13:56:22 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world 13:56:22 <Zakim> Zakim has joined #sparql 13:56:24 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 77277 13:56:24 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes 13:56:25 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference 13:56:25 <trackbot> Date: 03 July 2012 13:56:25 <AxelPolleres> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2012-07-03 13:58:57 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has now started 13:59:04 <Zakim> +AxelPolleres 13:59:34 <Zakim> +??P11 13:59:47 <cbuilara> zakim, ?P11 is me 13:59:47 <Zakim> sorry, cbuilara, I do not recognize a party named '?P11' 13:59:51 <Zakim> +kasei 14:00:22 <cbuilara> zakim, ??P11 is me 14:00:22 <Zakim> +cbuilara; got it 14:00:26 <MattPerry> MattPerry has joined #sparql 14:00:46 <Zakim> +??P15 14:00:51 <AndyS> zakim, ??P15 is me 14:00:51 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it 14:01:11 <bglimm> bglimm has joined #sparql 14:01:36 <Zakim> +MattPerry 14:02:03 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone? 14:02:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see AxelPolleres, cbuilara, kasei, AndyS, MattPerry 14:02:16 <Zakim> +??P21 14:02:24 <bglimm> Zakim, ??P21 is me 14:02:24 <Zakim> +bglimm; got it 14:03:13 <Zakim> +Sandro 14:03:17 <Zakim> +pgearon 14:03:39 <AxelPolleres> scribe: Andy 14:03:44 <chimezie> chimezie has joined #sparql 14:03:47 <AndyS> scribenick: AndyS 14:03:57 <AndyS> Topic: Admin 14:04:13 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-06-26 14:04:14 <chimezie> Zakim, passcode? 14:04:14 <Zakim> the conference code is 77277 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), chimezie 14:04:36 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-06-26 14:04:48 <AxelPolleres> Next regular meeting: 2012-07-10 @ 15:00 UK / 10:00 EST 14:04:59 <cbuilara> yep 14:05:04 <cbuilara> I can do it 14:05:06 <Zakim> -Sandro 14:05:15 <AxelPolleres> scribe next week, carlos. 14:05:33 <Zakim> +Chimezie 14:05:37 <Zakim> +Sandro 14:05:40 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me 14:05:41 <Zakim> Chimezie should now be muted 14:05:41 <AndyS> AndyS: no news from RDF-WG 14:05:43 <AndyS> topic: Comments 14:05:52 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments 14:06:51 <AndyS> Axel: assign unowned comments. 14:11:45 <pgearon> pgearon has left #sparql 14:11:59 <pgearon> pgearon has joined #sparql 14:12:05 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me 14:12:05 <Zakim> Chimezie should no longer be muted 14:12:41 <AndyS> chimezie: we no longer say "REST" - maybe this will help. 14:12:59 <chimezie> This is the latest response (May 8): http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2012May/0009.html 14:13:12 <AndyS> axel: sandro - please advance this comment 14:13:14 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me 14:13:14 <Zakim> Chimezie should now be muted 14:14:51 <AndyS> andy: waiting on syntax / prefix to fix in Turtle; then 3 on BINDING/VALUES 14:15:10 <AndyS> ... WG needs to accept VALUS changes 14:15:15 <AndyS> ... WG needs to accept VALUES changes 14:15:32 <AxelPolleres> carlos' draft http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:PW1 14:17:03 <AndyS> greg: want changes to docs to reflect the possibility of using query string in service URL. 14:18:21 <AndyS> carlos: can point to SPARQL protocol for this. 14:18:26 <AndyS> q+ 14:18:45 <AndyS> ... or add a bit to federated query doc. 14:19:00 <AndyS> axel: informal -> no a LC 14:19:48 <AndyS> ack me 14:20:43 <AxelPolleres> Andy: focus of Federated query is to send query to the data, and not to specify a remote dataset. 14:22:28 <AndyS> Greg: don't totally agree but will not hold things up. 14:23:06 <AndyS> Greg: DB-28 response ready 14:23:07 <AxelPolleres> DB-28 response, anybody had a chance to look at that one? 14:25:57 <AndyS> Greg: can reword the bit around FETCH if wanted. 14:26:19 <pgearon> +q 14:27:32 <AndyS> Paul: update can bring data in. 14:28:28 <AndyS> ... FETCH in query could be LOAD in update. 14:29:06 <AndyS> Greg: DB implies now no system should dereference on FROM. 14:29:22 <pgearon> I agree with greg, I was using this as a counter argument to the keyword "fetch" 14:29:49 <AndyS> ... issue is still that update implies more power then query 14:30:18 <AndyS> (scribe thinks this sounds like temporary datasets) 14:31:04 <pgearon> I probably tend to think of UPDATE being more available than it is, since I always have access to it. Perhaps my point is ill considered 14:31:10 <AxelPolleres> send it with ""could be viewed as" 14:31:43 <AndyS> topic: Progress on Documents 14:32:04 <AndyS> query status: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JulSep/0005.html 14:32:44 <AxelPolleres> Andy? 14:33:01 <AxelPolleres> Steve? 14:34:13 <kasei> q+ 14:34:37 <AxelPolleres> andy: missing parts: min max, what is min on empty set, no nested aggregates, with that it'd be ready to go? 14:34:58 <AxelPolleres> Greg: would be good to have a test case in the test suite on that. 14:35:54 <pgearon> q- 14:36:29 <AndyS> See http://answers.semanticweb.com/questions/17410/semantics-of-sparql-aggregates 14:37:27 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: greg to check back whether there's a test case for MIN empty set, in case add the query from http://answers.semanticweb.com/questions/17410/semantics-of-sparql-aggregates 14:37:27 <trackbot> Created ACTION-654 - Check back whether there's a test case for MIN empty set, in case add the query from http://answers.semanticweb.com/questions/17410/semantics-of-sparql-aggregates [on Gregory Williams - due 2012-07-10]. 14:37:34 <AndyS> ack kasei 14:38:12 <AndyS> zakim, who is on the phone? 14:38:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see AxelPolleres, cbuilara, kasei, AndyS, MattPerry, bglimm, pgearon, Chimezie (muted), Sandro 14:38:19 <AndyS> axel: I'll ping steve 14:38:27 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: axel to pinfg steve on critical path items for Query 14:38:27 <trackbot> Created ACTION-655 - Pinfg steve on critical path items for Query [on Axel Polleres - due 2012-07-10]. 14:38:53 <AxelPolleres> topic: update 14:39:08 <AndyS> Reviews due -- carlos, olivier 14:39:13 <AndyS> Carlos: this week. 14:39:26 <pgearon> Olivier has already submitted a review 14:40:35 <AndyS> axel: bNodes across graphs 14:40:48 <AndyS> greg: we added a test 14:42:53 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: axel to look into www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/basic-update/insert-05a.ru and react to greg's suggestion on email 14:42:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-656 - Look into www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/basic-update/insert-05a.ru and react to greg's suggestion on email [on Axel Polleres - due 2012-07-10]. 14:43:17 <AndyS> axel: Paul - anything on your side? 14:43:37 <pgearon> I haven't had a chance to merge in Olivier's comments, but can do this today 14:43:43 <AndyS> protocol - no reviews needed 14:43:50 <AndyS> service description - no reviews needed 14:44:01 <AndyS> GSP - no reviews needed 14:44:23 <AndyS> entailment - nothing needed 14:44:37 <AndyS> json results - nothing needed 14:44:49 <AndyS> csv/tsv results - nothing needed 14:45:37 <AndyS> overview -- change made to s/REST//g 14:45:54 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012AprJun/0222.html 14:46:03 <AxelPolleres> any approval? 14:46:25 <AndyS> ... Full review not needed 14:47:21 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: sandro to approve rewording as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012AprJun/0222.html 14:47:21 <trackbot> Created ACTION-657 - Approve rewording as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012AprJun/0222.html [on Sandro Hawke - due 2012-07-10]. 14:48:01 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-657 14:48:01 <trackbot> ACTION-657 Approve rewording as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012AprJun/0222.html closed 14:48:07 <Zakim> -pgearon 14:48:09 <AxelPolleres> Sandro: approved 14:49:33 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: clean up to_pr page to mark finished docs 14:49:33 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - clean 14:49:55 <AxelPolleres> ACTION axel to clean up to_pr page to mark finished docs 14:49:55 <trackbot> Created ACTION-658 - Clean up to_pr page to mark finished docs [on Axel Polleres - due 2012-07-10]. 14:50:07 <AndyS> topic: Action review 14:51:14 <kasei> ACTIONS 638 and 653 can be closed for me 14:51:23 <pgearon> apologies… I was kicked off, and now the system won't let me connect in again (tells me the passcode is not valid) 14:51:23 <AxelPolleres> friendly reminder on ACTION-389 14:51:25 <AndyS> ACTION-389 - namespace page - sandro acks. 14:51:52 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-638 14:51:52 <trackbot> ACTION-638 Informally reply on http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2012Jun/0002.html pointing to SD and asking whether formal response is needed. closed 14:52:16 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-653 14:52:16 <trackbot> ACTION-653 Draft a reply on DBooth comment on dataset construction closed 14:56:13 <sandro> bad dtmf pgearon ? 14:57:28 <AxelPolleres> sandro: we should skip CR where we can. 14:59:38 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, pick a victim? 14:59:38 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, AxelPolleres. 14:59:45 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, pick a victim 14:59:45 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose bglimm 15:00:45 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: bglim to review query with particular focus on BIND / VALUES 15:00:45 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - bglim 15:00:50 <AndyS> It's one (short) section -- http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/rq25.xml#assignment (and formal if you want - http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/rq25.xml#sparqlTranslateBindAssignments) 15:01:14 <Zakim> -Chimezie 15:01:15 <bglimm> bye 15:01:16 <MattPerry> bye 15:01:16 <AndyS> ACTION: bglimm to review query with particular focus on BIND / VALUES 15:01:16 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - bglimm 15:01:20 <Zakim> -cbuilara 15:01:24 <Zakim> -bglimm 15:01:32 <Zakim> -MattPerry 15:01:32 <AndyS> adjourned 15:01:34 <Zakim> -kasei # SPECIAL MARKER FOR CHATSYNC. 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