Chatlog 2011-11-08

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14:57:39 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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14:57:41 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 77277
14:57:41 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
14:57:42 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
14:57:42 <trackbot> Date: 08 November 2011
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14:59:24 <swh> Zakim, who's on the phone?
14:59:24 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has not yet started, swh
14:59:25 <Zakim> On IRC I see swh, Zakim, RRSAgent, AxelPolleres, AndyS, Olivier, LeeF, bglimm, SteveH, ericP, ya, trackbot, iv_an_ru, sandro, kasei, NickH
14:59:34 <AxelPolleres> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2011-11-08
15:00:02 <kasei> bah. zakim isn't liking 77277 for me again.
15:00:04 <LeeF> zakim, this will be SPARQL
15:00:04 <Zakim> ok, LeeF; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start now
15:00:17 <LeeF> kasei, try doing it in binary
15:00:30 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has now started
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15:01:03 <swh> Zakim, ??P8 is me
15:01:04 <Zakim> + +43.517.073.aaaa
15:01:08 <Zakim> +swh; got it
15:01:21 <Zakim> + +1.518.276.aabb
15:01:26 <kasei> Zakim, aabb is me
15:01:27 <Zakim> +kasei; got it
15:01:38 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?
15:01:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see swh, AxelPolleres, kasei
15:01:39 <Zakim> + +1.617.553.aacc
15:01:43 <LeeF> zakim, aacc is me
15:01:43 <Zakim> +LeeF; got it
15:01:44 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aadd
15:01:58 <MattPerry> zakim, aadd is me
15:02:02 <Zakim> +MattPerry; got it
15:02:39 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?
15:02:39 <swh> Zakim, who's on the phone?
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15:02:50 <Zakim> On the phone I see swh, AxelPolleres, kasei, LeeF, MattPerry
15:02:52 <Zakim> On the phone I see swh, AxelPolleres, kasei, LeeF, MattPerry
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15:03:52 <chimezie> Zakim, what is the passcode?
15:03:52 <Zakim> the conference code is 77277 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), chimezie
15:04:06 <Zakim> +OlivierCorby
15:04:30 <Zakim> + +1.216.368.aaee
15:05:00 <AxelPolleres> sandro, are you dialing in?
15:05:11 <AxelPolleres> chair: AxelPolleres
15:05:14 <Zakim> +??P24
15:05:21 <bglimm> Zakim, ??P24 is me
15:05:21 <Zakim> +bglimm; got it
15:05:26 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
15:05:26 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted
15:05:32 <bglimm> echo is me
15:05:33 <chimezie> Zakim, +1.216.368.aaee is me
15:05:33 <Zakim> +chimezie; got it
15:05:42 <bglimm> I always have to mute myself
15:05:50 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, pick a victim?
15:05:50 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, AxelPolleres.
15:06:00 <AxelPolleres> zakim, pick a victim
15:06:00 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose MattPerry
15:06:16 <AxelPolleres> scribe: MattPerry
15:06:44 <MattPerry> topic: Admin
15:06:47 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-11-01
15:06:52 <Zakim> +??P26
15:07:08 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-11-01
15:07:19 <AndyS> zakim, ??P26 is me
15:07:19 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
15:08:02 <AxelPolleres> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:08:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see swh, AxelPolleres, kasei, LeeF, MattPerry, OlivierCorby, chimezie, bglimm (muted), AndyS
15:08:29 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: anything from RDF working group?
15:08:35 <AndyS> Nothing from RDF-WG
15:08:52 <MattPerry> Topic: publication status
15:08:55 <AxelPolleres> topic: Current publication round (fed query and Overview)
15:09:15 <Zakim> +??P27
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15:09:23 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: tentative publication date for overview Nov. 10
15:10:38 <MattPerry> ... should use same date for fed query
15:10:58 <Zakim> +Sandro
15:11:05 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me
15:11:05 <Zakim> chimezie should now be muted
15:11:10 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: axel to follow up with sandro on final publication of Overview and Fed query at earliest possible date (tentatively 10 november)
15:11:10 <trackbot> Created ACTION-545 - Follow up with sandro on final publication of Overview and Fed query at earliest possible date (tentatively 10 november) [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-11-15].
15:12:00 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: sandro, can you do anything to help publication on the 10th
15:12:07 <MattPerry> Sandro: yes
15:12:36 <AxelPolleres> topic: Next publication round
15:13:18 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/PostLastCall
15:13:21 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: Idea is to get next publication round as second last call or candidate recommendation
15:13:58 <MattPerry> ... want to go through each publication that is already in last call and assign reviewers to publish again by end of November
15:14:10 <MattPerry> subtopic: query
15:14:44 <MattPerry> swh: have about 4 hrs of changes to make 
15:14:54 <MattPerry> ... just editorial work. hoping to be done this week
15:15:21 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: is it ready for review?
15:15:40 <MattPerry> swh: prefer review after changes
15:15:59 <MattPerry> AndyS: BGP bind and escaping rules remaining
15:16:29 <bglimm> I would volunteer to do Query again 
15:16:31 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: lets go ahead and get 2 reviewers for each document
15:16:50 <MattPerry> AndyS: cannot complete changes this week
15:17:00 <kasei> I can review query.
15:17:08 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: reviewers?
15:17:31 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: greg to review query 2nd LC as soon as it's ready
15:17:31 <trackbot> Created ACTION-546 - Review query 2nd LC as soon as it's ready [on Gregory Williams - due 2011-11-15].
15:17:52 <bglimm> I volunteered already
15:18:42 <MattPerry> Sandro: I can review something
15:18:50 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: birte to review query 2nd LC as soon as it's ready
15:18:51 <trackbot> Created ACTION-547 - Review query 2nd LC as soon as it's ready [on Birte Glimm - due 2011-11-15].
15:18:53 <AndyS> Please review as hard as time permits. Practically, this is the last chance to fix anything.
15:19:08 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me
15:19:08 <Zakim> chimezie should no longer be muted
15:19:10 <MattPerry> subtopic: graph store protocol
15:19:26 <MattPerry> chimezie: have some minor changes to make in the next day or two
15:19:36 <MattPerry> ... would like to complete these before reviews
15:20:01 <Zakim> -??P27
15:20:02 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: 2 more reviewers?
15:20:10 <Zakim> +??P3
15:20:15 <cbuilara> zakim, P3 is me
15:20:15 <Zakim> sorry, cbuilara, I do not recognize a party named 'P3'
15:20:24 <MattPerry> chimezie: comments should be addressed in next version
15:20:24 <cbuilara> zakim, ??P3 is me
15:20:24 <Zakim> +cbuilara; got it
15:21:18 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: make sure commenters are happy with responses before 2nd last call or candidate rec
15:21:40 <AxelPolleres> Sandro: point commenters to changes in editor's draft
15:21:43 <AndyS> Will review but can't guarantee when yet.
15:22:05 <swh> I'd like to review, but can't promise
15:22:21 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: can we go to candidate rec with the next version
15:22:54 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: AndyS Review Graph store protocol for 2nd LC/CR(?) as soon as it's ready.
15:22:55 <trackbot> Created ACTION-548 - Review Graph store protocol for 2nd LC/CR(?) as soon as it's ready. [on Andy Seaborne - due 2011-11-15].
15:23:02 <MattPerry> AndyS: i saw an email with substantive change requests
15:23:20 <MattPerry> chimezie: wondered if some changes were substantive, but decided they were not
15:24:11 <MattPerry> ... there was one major change request that i am not doing
15:24:52 <MattPerry> ... one issue is use of RDF WG terminology
15:25:10 <MattPerry> AndyS: probably desirable but not required becuase RDF WG terminology is not finalized
15:26:03 <MattPerry> chimezie: terminology change is one possible remaining substantive change
15:26:44 <MattPerry> Sandro: it may look pretty bad in 6mos to 1 yr if the terminology is incompatible
15:27:18 <MattPerry> ... I don't think terminoloy change is substantive
15:27:37 <AxelPolleres> Axel: The group agrees that Graph Store protocol can go ahead as CR, unless there are severe new comments coming in? (if terminology changes, we should be able to argue that this is not substantative?)
15:27:38 <MattPerry> s/terminoloy/terminology
15:28:02 <MattPerry> s/terminoloy/terminology/
15:28:05 <AndyS> 2LC is no big deal.
15:28:21 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: still need 2nd reviewer
15:28:29 <MattPerry> Sandro: I can do this one
15:28:42 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: sandro to Review Graph store protocol for 2nd LC/CR(?) as soon as it's ready.
15:28:42 <trackbot> Created ACTION-549 - Review Graph store protocol for 2nd LC/CR(?) as soon as it's ready. [on Sandro Hawke - due 2011-11-15].
15:28:56 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me
15:28:56 <Zakim> chimezie should now be muted
15:28:57 <MattPerry> subtopic: service description
15:29:10 <MattPerry> kasei: I think everything has been dealt with
15:29:39 <MattPerry> ... should go to 2nd last call
15:29:46 <AxelPolleres> ... we changed the name of a couple of terms.
15:30:00 <MattPerry> ... ready for review now
15:30:13 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: volunteers for review
15:30:23 <chimezie> i can review as well
15:30:32 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: I can review it
15:30:41 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to review service description for 2nd LC
15:30:42 <trackbot> Created ACTION-550 - Review service description for 2nd LC [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-11-15].
15:31:01 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?
15:31:01 <Zakim> On the phone I see swh, AxelPolleres, kasei, LeeF, MattPerry, OlivierCorby, chimezie (muted), bglimm (muted), AndyS, Sandro, cbuilara
15:31:09 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me
15:31:09 <Zakim> chimezie should no longer be muted
15:31:43 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Chime  to review service description for 2nd LC
15:31:43 <trackbot> Created ACTION-551 -  to review service description for 2nd LC [on Chimezie Ogbuji - due 2011-11-15].
15:31:54 <MattPerry> subtopic: entailment regimes
15:31:55 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me
15:31:55 <Zakim> bglimm should no longer be muted
15:32:23 <MattPerry> bglimm: document is ready for review but should go to 2nd last call because we changed D-Entailment regime
15:32:48 <MattPerry> ... all comments are addressed and have been sent out
15:33:01 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: reviewers?
15:33:03 <bglimm> Zakim, mute
15:33:03 <Zakim> I don't understand 'mute', bglimm
15:33:07 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
15:33:07 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted
15:33:19 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, pick a victim
15:33:19 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose AxelPolleres
15:33:44 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: I can give it a try
15:33:52 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to review entailment regimes document.
15:33:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-552 - Review entailment regimes document. [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-11-15].
15:34:18 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?
15:34:18 <Zakim> On the phone I see swh, AxelPolleres, kasei, LeeF, MattPerry, OlivierCorby, chimezie, bglimm (muted), AndyS, Sandro, cbuilara
15:34:45 <MattPerry> OlivierCorby: I can review enatilment or update
15:36:31 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me
15:36:31 <Zakim> bglimm should no longer be muted
15:36:34 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: Lets keep 1 reviewer for now and try to get another next week
15:36:53 <MattPerry> bglimm: I can look for someone outside the WG
15:36:54 <AxelPolleres> see whether we can find a second reviewer for entailment next week, alternativelty, Birte tries to find someone from outside the WG. 
15:37:01 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
15:37:01 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted
15:37:04 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me
15:37:04 <Zakim> bglimm should no longer be muted
15:37:17 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
15:37:17 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted
15:37:20 <MattPerry> subtopic: update
15:37:33 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/PostLastCall#Update
15:37:52 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: Andy, what were you referring to about remaining items?
15:38:31 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: will coordinate with Paul and Alex about when changes can be completed
15:38:40 <MattPerry> AndyS: there were some pending comments
15:38:55 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to check http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/PostLastCall#Update in coordination with Paul/Alex
15:38:56 <trackbot> Created ACTION-553 - Check http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/PostLastCall#Update in coordination with Paul/Alex [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-11-15].
15:39:26 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: matthew to review Update as soon as it's ready
15:39:27 <trackbot> Created ACTION-554 - Review Update as soon as it's ready [on Matthew Perry - due 2011-11-15].
15:39:44 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: olivier to review update as soon as it's ready
15:39:44 <trackbot> Created ACTION-555 - Review update as soon as it's ready [on Olivier Corby - due 2011-11-15].
15:40:01 <MattPerry> subtopic: protocol
15:40:18 <MattPerry> LeeF: no progress on updating document
15:40:29 <MattPerry> ... can probably be ready by next week
15:40:39 <AndyS> I will review protocol.
15:40:48 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?
15:40:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see swh, AxelPolleres, kasei, LeeF, MattPerry, OlivierCorby, chimezie, bglimm (muted), AndyS, Sandro, cbuilara
15:41:00 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: already ran out of reviewers on call
15:41:16 <MattPerry> LeeF: reviewers likely to find issues
15:41:31 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: will probably have to pick reviewers next week
15:41:55 <AxelPolleres> we will line up the reviewers for protocol next week.
15:42:10 <AndyS> q+
15:42:17 <AxelPolleres> topic: comments
15:42:40 <AndyS> q+ to ask about the JSON results format doc
15:42:41 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: Have gotten some new comments to assign
15:43:15 <MattPerry> ... LeeF has asked about when comments can be responded to ... hopefully this week
15:43:27 <AxelPolleres> comment AM-1
15:43:35 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2011Nov/0014
15:43:39 <MattPerry> ... New comment about HAVING clause ... anybody want it?
15:44:02 <MattPerry> AndyS: what about JSON results format doc?
15:44:16 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: did not consider it urgent for next publication round
15:44:58 <MattPerry> AndyS: there is no work to be done on it ... next step is CR
15:45:32 <MattPerry> ... only one editorial change 
15:46:02 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: does not need reviewers ... it can go straight to CR
15:46:29 <MattPerry> ... I will move JSON results over to next round of publication
15:46:36 <AndyS> Also new comment, RC-5, which I found had been missed (LC comment)
15:46:50 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: axel to move JSON results forward to next publication round in schedule
15:46:51 <trackbot> Created ACTION-556 - Move JSON results forward to next publication round in schedule [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-11-15].
15:47:36 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: AM-1 asking about when having clause is executed
15:47:48 <MattPerry> ... see if he understands current definition correctly
15:48:12 <MattPerry> swh: I feel like I should do it but don't have the time
15:48:33 <bglimm> I can have a look
15:48:45 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me
15:48:45 <Zakim> bglimm should no longer be muted
15:49:02 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Birte to addresss comment AM-1
15:49:02 <trackbot> Created ACTION-557 - Addresss comment AM-1 [on Birte Glimm - due 2011-11-15].
15:49:03 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
15:49:03 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted
15:49:12 <bglimm> Yes
15:49:40 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: next one is DB-16 asking for a new function
15:50:02 <MattPerry> ... first reaction: this is interesting but not backed up by any implementation
15:50:20 <MattPerry> LeeF: I think he was mainly wanting to track this for the future
15:50:46 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: Also DB-9 about prefix re-use
15:50:59 <MattPerry> ... This is primarily for tracking for next time as well
15:51:09 <MattPerry> ... how do we ensure we get it tracked
15:51:23 <MattPerry> LeeF: we can just put it on the wiki page
15:51:36 <MattPerry> AndyS: I have a problem with DB-16
15:51:43 <AxelPolleres> my proposed response for DB-9 is here, BTW: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:DB-9
15:51:51 <swh> I agree with AndyS, it has punycode-type issues
15:51:59 <MattPerry> LeeF: lets just put it on a list for speed
15:52:28 <MattPerry> AndyS: some groups do look at postponed issues with higher relevance
15:52:56 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: also the features that were not addressed should go there to
15:52:59 <AndyS> This is a Turtle issue.
15:53:07 <MattPerry> Sandro: I suggest a future work page
15:53:08 <LeeF> "future work" sounds good to me
15:53:09 <swh> Or a curie issue
15:53:48 <swh> Zakim, who's speaking?
15:53:58 <MattPerry> AndyS: key issue: is it a starting point for the next charter
15:53:59 <Zakim> swh, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: AndyS (50%), Sandro (35%)
15:54:11 <AxelPolleres> XYZ to set ups a "future work" wiki page and put: postponed issues, postpones features, as well as postpones comments (e.g. DB-9, DB-16) on it.
15:54:47 <AndyS> same for DB-14a - its a candidate for a "heard - maybe next time" page
15:54:50 <MattPerry> AndyS: don't want last minute comments jumping into the future work section
15:55:22 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to discuss with lee where to put "future work"
15:55:23 <trackbot> Created ACTION-558 - Discuss with lee where to put "future work" [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-11-15].
15:55:45 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: Comment RC-5
15:55:56 <MattPerry> ... answer is that it's too late in the game
15:56:31 <AndyS> q+ to ask to complete DB-14a with a "heard - maybe next time" page reply
15:57:15 <MattPerry> AndyS: we had missed adding RC-5 to last call comments
15:57:41 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: anyone want to own this comment?
15:58:15 <MattPerry> AndyS: you can assign it to me
15:58:27 <MattPerry> ... it relates to David's latest one
15:59:09 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: any other business?
15:59:24 <Zakim> -LeeF
15:59:37 <MattPerry> AndyS: can I complete DB-14a by saying "we will note it as future work"
16:00:05 <AxelPolleres> DB-14a is also a good candiate for the future work page.
16:00:06 <MattPerry> ... or we need to see how skolemization pans out 
16:01:24 <MattPerry> Sandro: as a commenter I would rather see it on the future work page
16:01:59 <Zakim> -chimezie
16:02:05 <MattPerry> bye
16:02:07 <Zakim> -AndyS
16:02:08 <Zakim> -Sandro
16:02:08 <Zakim> -swh
16:02:11 <Zakim> -OlivierCorby
16:02:13 <Zakim> -cbuilara
16:02:14 <Zakim> -MattPerry
16:02:16 <Zakim> -kasei
16:02:23 <AxelPolleres> ACTION-558 also take DB-14a into account here
16:02:23 <trackbot> ACTION-558 Discuss with lee where to put "future work" notes added
16:02:29 <Zakim> -bglimm
16:02:52 <AxelPolleres> rrsagent, make records public
16:05:23 <Zakim> -AxelPolleres
16:05:24 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended
16:05:26 <Zakim> Attendees were +43.517.073.aaaa, swh, +1.518.276.aabb, AxelPolleres, kasei, +1.617.553.aacc, LeeF, +1.603.897.aadd, MattPerry, OlivierCorby, bglimm, chimezie, AndyS, Sandro,
16:05:28 <Zakim> ... cbuilara
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