Chatlog 2011-07-12

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13:53:24 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 77277
13:53:24 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 7 minutes
13:53:24 <lfeigenb> zakim, this will be SPARQL
13:53:25 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
13:53:25 <trackbot> Date: 12 July 2011
13:53:25 <Zakim> ok, lfeigenb; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 7 minutes
13:58:36 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has now started
13:58:43 <Zakim> +??P7
13:58:45 <AndyS> zakim, ??P7 is me
13:58:45 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
13:58:56 <axelpolleres> axelpolleres has joined #sparql
13:59:09 <Zakim> +kasei
13:59:54 <Zakim> + +33.4.92.38.aaaa - is perhaps Vivien
14:00:26 <Olivier> Zakim, aaaa is Olivier 
14:00:26 <Zakim> sorry, Olivier, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
14:01:52 <chimezie> chimezie has joined #sparql
14:02:10 <AndyS> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:02:10 <Zakim> On the phone I see AndyS, kasei, Vivien
14:02:40 <Zakim> +pgearon
14:03:06 <Zakim> + +1.617.500.aabb
14:04:22 <AndyS> lfeigenb? axelpolleres? Or shall we start without you?
14:04:40 <alex_> alex_ has joined #sparql
14:04:52 <axelpolleres> dialing, apologies
14:05:11 <Zakim> + +43.664.801.173.aacc
14:05:22 <axelpolleres> Zakim, aacc is me
14:05:22 <Zakim> +axelpolleres; got it
14:05:33 <Zakim> +alex_
14:05:55 <Zakim> +chimezie
14:06:06 <axelpolleres> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2011-07-12
14:06:50 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me
14:06:50 <Zakim> chimezie should now be muted
14:06:59 <axelpolleres> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-07-05
14:07:03 <axelpolleres> topic:admin
14:07:04 <chimezie> Zakim, who is here?
14:07:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see AndyS, kasei, Vivien, pgearon, +1.617.500.aabb, axelpolleres, alex_, chimezie (muted)
14:07:07 <Zakim> On IRC I see alexpassant, chimezie, axelpolleres, Zakim, RRSAgent, Olivier, lfeigenb, AndyS, iv_an_ru_, pgearon, ericP, sandro, trackbot, kasei, NickH
14:07:36 <axelpolleres> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-07-05
14:08:25 <axelpolleres> lfeigenb, are you finally available next week?
14:09:03 <sandro> i am here
14:09:08 <sandro> phone trouble
14:10:16 <chimezie> Axel: if there is anything outstanding perhaps we don't meet next week.  
14:10:22 <chimezie> ... will discuss with lfeigenb
14:11:33 <chimezie> What is the process for IE to rejoin?
14:11:36 <chimezie> re-apply?
14:12:48 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2004/01/pp-impl/35463/status
14:13:02 <Zakim> +lfeigenb
14:13:32 <chimezie> Sandro: will check about IEs now
14:14:04 <chimezie> Axel: grace period for renomination is 45 days
14:14:50 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me
14:14:50 <Zakim> chimezie should no longer be muted
14:15:16 <axelpolleres> sandro: IE please re-apply via form
14:15:33 <axelpolleres> topic: test coverage
14:15:49 <axelpolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/TestSuiteCoverage
14:15:56 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me
14:15:56 <Zakim> chimezie should now be muted
14:16:35 <chimezie> Axel: goal is to collect 1) coverage of features in test suite and 2) where we are WRT implementation
14:17:13 <axelpolleres> Opinions?
14:17:16 <axelpolleres> q?
14:17:45 <chimezie> ... ask implementors where they are.  Andy?
14:18:32 <chimezie> AndyS: Passing all but 21, 12 are inference, and a couple of others.  Mostly compliant, however
14:19:15 <chimezie> ... will try to get functional implementation of everything.  inference tests are my main constraints
14:19:30 <axelpolleres> andy: plan to implement all docs, service not yet covered.
14:19:48 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me
14:19:48 <Zakim> chimezie should no longer be muted
14:20:37 <axelpolleres> chime: primarily workign on inference tests, but dones't implement all of query.
14:20:56 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me
14:20:56 <Zakim> chimezie should now be muted
14:20:56 <chimezie> Gr
14:21:21 <axelpolleres> greg: no inference at the moment, not planned, other than that passing all except SERVICE with variable endpoint
14:21:23 <chimezie> Greg: don't plan on doing inference test.  passing all tests except single service test w/ variable endpoint.  Unsure if I will implement
14:21:41 <AndyS> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:21:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see AndyS, kasei, Vivien, pgearon, +1.617.500.aabb, axelpolleres, alex_, chimezie (muted), lfeigenb
14:22:08 <chimezie> lfeigenb: implement part of 1.1 query, will implement the rest eventually.  implement all of UPDATE and service description.  
14:22:39 <chimezie> ... do not implement graph store protocol or entailment regime.  have an old basic federation implementation that may be updated later
14:22:55 <chimezie> Axel: other implementors not here? Steve?
14:22:57 <AndyS> Fuseki implements query and update protocol and graph store protocol.  Popular! 
14:23:19 <chimezie> Paul: long way off form 1.1 (other priorities).  Will be expanding on implementations eventually
14:23:40 <chimezie> s/form/from
14:24:00 <axelpolleres> Paul... query and update first quarter next year.
14:24:04 <kasei> would be good to find out sesame's 1.1 status from jeen
14:24:10 <axelpolleres> other implementations? Steve, Olivier
14:24:26 <axelpolleres> Zakim, vivien is probably Olivier
14:24:26 <Zakim> +Olivier; got it
14:24:31 <chimezie> Olivier: don't implement service and protocol
14:24:46 <chimezie> ... implement the other features
14:25:13 <chimezie> Axel: suggestions for how to manage this information from implementors?
14:25:54 <Olivier> Olivier has joined #sparql
14:26:03 <kasei> I might be able to spare a little time for that
14:26:15 <chimezie> ... I will summarize what I have heard
14:26:20 <axelpolleres> ACTION: Axel to add some info on implementers summary to the wiki page
14:26:20 <trackbot> Created ACTION-493 - Add some info on implementers summary to the wiki page [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-07-19].
14:27:26 <chimezie> Axel: anyone have time to capture coverage for query?
14:28:12 <kasei> I'll try to look over some of the tests, but wouldn't want to be the only one...
14:29:06 <Olivier> I can help in august
14:29:14 <axelpolleres> ACTION: greg to check coverage on query test cases.
14:29:15 <trackbot> Created ACTION-494 - Check coverage on query test cases. [on Gregory Williams - due 2011-07-19].
14:29:48 <chimezie> Axel: I have already checked coverage on update.  Do we have test cases for Protocol?
14:29:51 <chimezie> lfeigenb: not really
14:30:54 <axelpolleres> ACTION: Lee to check into protocol test cases and coverage
14:30:54 <trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - Lee
14:30:54 <trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. lfeigenb, lfeigenb2)
14:31:28 <chimezie> Axel: next is service description
14:31:45 <axelpolleres> ACTION: lfeigenb to check into protocol test cases and coverage
14:31:45 <trackbot> Created ACTION-495 - Check into protocol test cases and coverage [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-07-19].
14:32:26 <chimezie> Greg: we haven't discussed service description
14:32:43 <chimezie> ... conformance is tiny.  challenge is infrastructure requirements for testing
14:33:41 <axelpolleres> no particular test cases for SD at the moment.
14:33:56 <chimezie> Axel: graph store protocol?
14:34:24 <chimezie> ... similar situation with SD
14:34:26 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me
14:34:26 <Zakim> chimezie should no longer be muted
14:35:49 <axelpolleres> ACTION: chime think about how test cases for graph store protocol could look like.
14:35:49 <trackbot> Created ACTION-496 - Think about how test cases for graph store protocol could look like. [on Chimezie Ogbuji - due 2011-07-19].
14:36:27 <chimezie> Axel: entailment test coverage, any volunteers?
14:36:29 <chimezie> ... I can do that
14:36:59 <axelpolleres> ACTION: Axel to check entailment regimes test case coverage
14:36:59 <trackbot> Created ACTION-497 - Check entailment regimes test case coverage [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-07-19].
14:37:25 <chimezie> Axel: federated query coverage? 
14:37:52 <axelpolleres> axel to ask carlos...
14:38:33 <chimezie> Axel: no CSV, TSV results test, but we have JSON format tests
14:39:15 <chimezie> AndyS: we need to write tests, however, it is a note and not REC track
14:40:00 <axelpolleres> Axel: Axel to check test suite for CSV/TSV and also how README.html needs to be extended, adapted. (time allowed)
14:40:28 <axelpolleres> report coverage4 results here http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/TestSuiteCoverage
14:41:18 <chimezie> Axel: 2 pending publications - federated query and CSV/TSV documents
14:42:03 <chimezie> ... opinions on status of these?
14:42:33 <chimezie> lfeigenb: we should make sure Greg's comments are addressed before publishing federated query and wait for JSON spec to publish them together
14:42:35 <AndyS> And JSON format?
14:43:43 <AndyS> CSV/TSV -- publish WD Note now.  It's not final version,. it's work-in-progress.
14:44:14 <AndyS> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/To_Last_Call#JSON_Results
14:45:29 <axelpolleres> Fed query, json, csv/tsv 
14:46:06 <chimezie> AndyS: we publishing LC docs one at a time or in batch?
14:46:24 <chimezie> Axel: batch - from my understanding
14:47:08 <chimezie> lfeigenb: smaller # of announcements is preferred
14:47:13 <AndyS> q+ to ask Sandro about NOTE process
14:47:55 <axelpolleres> vote for publications of fed, json and csv/tsv in two weeks
14:48:01 <AndyS> ack me
14:48:01 <Zakim> AndyS, you wanted to ask Sandro about NOTE process
14:48:14 <axelpolleres> ... and hopefully have an update on protocol and overview then as well.
14:48:27 <chimezie> AndyS: do we have to choose a short name for NOTEs, etc.?
14:48:39 <axelpolleres> sandro?
14:49:23 <chimezie> Axel: clean approach - publish first as WD and then go from there
14:49:55 <AndyS> so we need a short name : sparql11-results-csv-tsv
14:50:40 <lfeigenb> +1
14:50:47 <axelpolleres> +1
14:51:04 <AndyS> +1
14:51:11 <chimezie> +1
14:51:17 <axelpolleres> PROPOSED: shortname for CSV/TSV results format will be sparql11-results-csv-tsv
14:51:48 <axelpolleres> RESOLVED: shortname for CSV/TSV results format will be sparql11-results-csv-tsv
14:52:41 <AndyS> Comments?
14:52:42 <axelpolleres> topic: AOB
14:53:07 <AndyS> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2011Jul/0004.html
14:55:14 <chimezie> AndyS: chairs should address him regarding the process
14:55:42 <axelpolleres> ACTION: Lee to contact Sebastian Conca on how to proceed with his comment.
14:55:42 <trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - Lee
14:55:42 <trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. lfeigenb, lfeigenb2)
14:55:56 <axelpolleres> ACTION: lfeigenb to contact Sebastian Conca on how to proceed with his comment.
14:55:56 <trackbot> Created ACTION-498 - Contact Sebastian Conca on how to proceed with his comment. [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-07-19].
14:57:07 <Zakim> - +1.617.500.aabb
14:57:15 <alex_> alex_ has joined #sparql
14:57:38 <chimezie> bye
14:57:40 <Zakim> -alex_
14:57:41 <pgearon> thanks
14:57:41 <Zakim> -chimezie
14:57:46 <Zakim> -Olivier
14:57:49 <Zakim> -pgearon
14:57:50 <Zakim> -AndyS
14:58:04 <axelpolleres> let's discuss errata next time.
14:58:26 <Zakim> -kasei
14:58:29 <axelpolleres> adjourned
14:58:46 <axelpolleres> rrsagent, make records public
14:58:50 <Zakim> -axelpolleres
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