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13:56:31 <LeeF> Present: bglimm, kasei, cbuilara, AndyS, MattPerry, LeeF, Sandro, Souri, OlivierCorby, NickH, pgearon 13:56:31 <LeeF> Chair: LeeF 13:56:35 <LeeF> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2011-04-19 13:56:46 <LeeF> Regrets: AxelPolleres, SteveH 14:00:40 <LeeF> zakim, who's on the phone? 14:00:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see bglimm, kasei, cbuilara, AndyS, MattPerry, +1.617.489.aacc, LeeF 14:02:51 <AndyS> scribe: AndyS 14:02:56 <AndyS> scribenick: AndyS 14:03:04 <LeeF> topic: Admin 14:03:11 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-04-05 14:03:31 <AndyS> Last weeks meeting was not quorate. 14:03:35 <Zakim> +Souri 14:03:56 <AndyS> tests approved (syntax, pp tests) 14:04:10 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-04-05 14:04:27 <AndyS> LeeF: next meeting in one week 14:04:31 <AndyS> ... same time 14:04:33 <LeeF> Next regular meeting: 2011-04-26 @ 15:00 UK / 10:00 EDT (scribe: Alex or Olivier) 14:04:42 <AndyS> ... Alex or Olivier to scribe. 14:04:55 <Zakim> +OlivierCorby 14:05:28 <AndyS> ... in general, we are heading to LC decisions -- good for people to attend TC's to exprss support. 14:05:46 <AndyS> subtopic: comments 14:05:56 <AndyS> LeeF: No new comments. 14:06:28 <AndyS> ... asking editors to clear up-and-out comments esp anything not editorial. 14:06:42 <AndyS> ... key is substantive changes to LC docs 14:07:05 <AndyS> ... because LC means "we are done - will not change in substance" 14:07:28 <AndyS> ... if an impl would change then new LC needed and clock is reset 14:07:34 <AndyS> q+ 14:07:42 <LeeF> ack AndyS 14:07:53 <LeeF> AndyS: one property path comment is near to substantive comment 14:08:03 <LeeF> ... related to expectations on invariants in paths 14:08:26 <LeeF> ... not a mistake as much as a difference in expectation 14:09:25 <AndyS> AndyS: will bring discussion to mailing list 14:09:28 <LeeF> topic: Last Call Decision on MAY 3 14:10:22 <LeeF> IMPORTANT: Our goal is to make a decision to publish the majority of our specifications as Last Call at our May 3, 2011 telecon 14:10:45 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/To_Last_Call 14:11:19 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me 14:11:19 <Zakim> bglimm should no longer be muted 14:11:33 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me 14:11:33 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted 14:11:33 <AndyS> subtopic: query 14:11:42 <LeeF> ACTION: Birte to review query draft to see if comments have been addressed appropriately 14:11:42 <trackbot> Created ACTION-438 - Review query draft to see if comments have been addressed appropriately [on Birte Glimm - due 2011-04-26]. 14:12:17 <AndyS> LeeF to ask Steve to check aggregate tests to confirm design 14:13:02 <AndyS> AndyS to fix bug in ZeroLengthPath ; fix RDF dataset merge defn. Some non-LC matters. 14:13:57 <AndyS> LeeF: Procedurally, confirm with reviewers all matters have been attended to (as a round table in TC - pls note) 14:13:59 <Zakim> +Bert 14:14:44 <AndyS> subtopic: update 14:15:14 <AndyS> Axel has been working with editors to address comments esp formal model. ready for next Tues 14:15:22 <SteveH> SteveH has joined #sparql 14:15:23 <AndyS> ... inc kasei comments 14:15:36 <AndyS> ... then one week for general review checking. 14:16:21 <AndyS> subtopic: protocol 14:16:30 <Zakim> +??P53 14:16:40 <AndyS> LeeF: now in much more reasonable state. 14:16:53 <LeeF> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011AprJun/0046.html 14:16:53 <NickH> zakim, ??P53 is me 14:16:53 <Zakim> +NickH; got it 14:16:54 <AndyS> ... more work on it this week. 14:16:59 <Zakim> -OlivierCorby 14:17:54 <AndyS> .. add example and clean up. Editorial but quite a lot so not good to leave to "LC editting" 14:18:37 <AndyS> ... variety of things need addressing to make sure all comments addressed. 14:18:49 <AndyS> ... protocol is only a little behind LC schedule. 14:19:10 <AndyS> subtopic: service description 14:19:22 <AndyS> LeeF: Nico did a second set of comments. 14:20:01 <bglimm> I can have a look 14:20:01 <AndyS> kasei: one thing to address, about entailment. Unclear - needs coord with entailment people. 14:20:13 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me 14:20:13 <Zakim> bglimm should no longer be muted 14:20:37 <AndyS> bglimm: I can take a look at the comments. 14:20:38 <LeeF> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011AprJun/0043.html 14:20:50 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me 14:20:50 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted 14:21:52 <LeeF> ACTION: Greg to coordinate with Lee to resolve Serv Desc dependencies on protocol document 14:21:52 <trackbot> Created ACTION-439 - Coordinate with Lee to resolve Serv Desc dependencies on protocol document [on Gregory Williams - due 2011-04-26]. 14:21:55 <AndyS> LeeF: align to protocol - can deal with this with a brief IRC chat. Make sure anchors etc in doc to link to. 14:22:30 <AndyS> ... and service description ready for 2 weeks time. 14:22:33 <AndyS> subtopic: Graph Store HTTP Protocol 14:22:53 <AndyS> Wiki page out of date - issues have been dealt with 14:24:28 <AndyS> LeeF: chime has an action to look at entailment and negation tests. 14:24:43 <AndyS> subtopic: entailment doc 14:24:44 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me 14:24:44 <Zakim> bglimm should no longer be muted 14:25:02 <AndyS> LeeF: Good shape. Waiting on comments from Jeff+colleague 14:25:10 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me 14:25:10 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted 14:25:38 <AndyS> ... chime has an outstanding action to review changes of RIF regimes -- done -- chime OK with that section. 14:25:51 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me 14:25:51 <Zakim> bglimm should no longer be muted 14:26:13 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me 14:26:13 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted 14:26:14 <AndyS> bglimm: no work planned, minor editorial only. 14:26:17 <Zakim> -Sandro 14:26:24 <AndyS> subtopic: federated query 14:26:35 <Zakim> +Sandro 14:26:38 <AndyS> LeeF: Waiting for reviews from Axel and LeeF. 14:26:57 <AndyS> subtopic: JSON results 14:27:17 <AndyS> No progress. Unlikely to move at same time as other docs. 14:27:42 <AndyS> Should not be a problem as it is a NOTE currently. 14:28:29 <AndyS> AndyS: No substantive changes ... major editorial needs. 14:28:39 <AndyS> subtopic: summary LC 14:28:44 <AndyS> LeeF: Are we ready? 14:28:50 <AndyS> (silence) 14:28:55 <LeeF> topic: Parsing "18." in SPARQL 14:29:13 <LeeF> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011AprJun/0044.html 14:29:45 <AndyS> LeeF: RDF-WG wants to std-ize Turtle. 14:30:05 <AndyS> ... one issues is that token 18. is a decimal. 14:30:31 <AndyS> ... suggestion that this is not good (e.g. DOT is end of triples) 14:30:46 <AndyS> ... need space for 18-integer and end of triple. 14:30:58 <AndyS> ... so make it digit needed after decimal point. 14:31:01 <LeeF> 18. would parse as "18"^^xsd:integer followed by the end of a triple 14:31:39 <AndyS> ... this is a change. Shall we regard it as a bug to be fixed or an incompatible change. 14:31:58 <AndyS> ... 3 options on 0044 (line above) 14:32:13 <AndyS> ... generally do (1) make change. 14:32:50 <AndyS> ... big red box to highlight it to LC as a change to SPARQL (a query can change meaning) 14:32:51 <AndyS> q+ 14:32:56 <LeeF> ack AndyS 14:33:24 <LeeF> AndyS's message with other potential incompatibility issues: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011AprJun/0049.html 14:33:32 <LeeF> [ :p 1 ; :p 2 ] 14:33:36 <LeeF> (1 2 3 4) . 14:33:41 <LeeF> both legal in SPARQL, not in Turtle 14:34:12 <LeeF> AndyS: also, "." not required at the end of BGP, but not at the end of the file in Turtle 14:34:22 <LeeF> LeeF: it comes up in TriG more often :) 14:35:51 <LeeF> ACTION: Lee to bring Turtle/SPARQL incompatibility issues to the attention of RDF WG 14:35:52 <trackbot> Created ACTION-440 - Bring Turtle/SPARQL incompatibility issues to the attention of RDF WG [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-04-26]. 14:36:11 <Zakim> +pgearon 14:36:49 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Unquoted decimal literals in SPARQL 1.1 must have at least one digit to the right of the decimal point 14:37:05 <AndyS> +1 14:37:12 <sandro> +1 14:37:13 <pgearon> +1 14:37:13 <NickH> +1 14:37:21 <bglimm> +1 14:37:37 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Unquoted decimal literals in SPARQL 1.1 must have at least one digit to the right of the decimal point & add note about this change to LC draft 14:37:45 <bglimm> +1 14:37:58 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Unquoted decimal literals in SPARQL 1.1 must have at least one digit to the right of the decimal point & add note about this change to LC draft 14:38:44 <LeeF> topic: test status 14:40:41 <LeeF> ACTION: Lee to follow-up with Andy and Chime about running entailment test cases 14:40:42 <trackbot> Created ACTION-441 - Follow-up with Andy and Chime about running entailment test cases [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-04-26]. 14:41:25 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/open 14:41:32 <AndyS> LeeF: check on actions, issues and process 14:41:55 <AndyS> ISSUE-19 - Update and protocol doc will cover. 14:41:55 <trackbot> ISSUE-19 Security issues on SPARQL/UPdate notes added 14:42:18 <AndyS> ISSUE-33 -- moot - WSDL not used any more - need to check 14:42:37 <AndyS> ISSUE-60 - protocol doc 14:43:06 <AndyS> ISSUE-65 - query and update are different query string name. 14:44:00 <AndyS> LeeF: Any comments? 14:44:24 <AndyS> (LeeF explains his strategy for WG) 14:45:30 <AndyS> ISSUE-66 - CONCAT + ORDER BY 14:45:37 <Zakim> -bglimm 14:47:02 <AndyS> AndyS: Adding it would not change one legal query to another 14:47:19 <AndyS> LeeF: Next week will bring tio WG to close with "no change" 14:47:23 <AndyS> actions ... 14:47:24 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/open?sort=owner 14:48:47 <AndyS> ACTION-404 is done. 14:48:53 <LeeF> close ACTION-404 14:48:53 <trackbot> Sorry... closing ACTION-404 failed, please let sysreq know about it 14:49:01 <LeeF> close ACTION-379 14:49:02 <trackbot> ACTION-379 Ask Chimezie to look at KK-6 and GR-3 closed 14:53:05 <kasei> q+ 14:54:06 <LeeF> ack kasei 14:54:16 <LeeF> ACTION: Lee to figure out why styling of RFC2119 tags is different across documents 14:54:16 <trackbot> Created ACTION-442 - Figure out why styling of RFC2119 tags is different across documents [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-04-26]. 14:55:51 <AndyS> adjourned 14:56:00 <Zakim> -LeeF 14:56:04 <MattPerry> bye 14:56:04 <Zakim> -Sandro 14:56:06 <Zakim> -Bert 14:56:07 <Zakim> -kasei 14:56:08 <Zakim> -pgearon 14:56:09 <Zakim> -Souri 14:56:11 <AndyS> rrsagent, please make logs public 14:56:11 <Zakim> -NickH 14:56:11 <NickH> Bye! 14:56:12 <Zakim> -MattPerry 14:56:15 <Zakim> -cbuilara 14:56:25 <Zakim> -AndyS 14:56:26 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended 14:56:28 <Zakim> Attendees were bglimm, +1.310.729.aaaa, kasei, cbuilara, AndyS, +1.603.897.aabb, MattPerry, +1.617.489.aacc, LeeF, Sandro, Souri, OlivierCorby, Bert, NickH, pgearon 14:56:48 <AndyS> zakim, please leave 14:56:48 <Zakim> Zakim has left #sparql 15:03:22 <LeeF> kasei, re: adding tests for SPARQL 1.0-isms, I think that's totally fine # SPECIAL MARKER FOR CHATSYNC. 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