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14:52:26 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #sparql 14:52:26 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/01/11-sparql-irc 14:52:33 <Zakim> Zakim has joined #sparql 14:52:45 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, this will be SPARQL 14:52:45 <Zakim> ok, AxelPolleres; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes 14:53:02 <AxelPolleres> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2011-01-11 14:53:15 <AxelPolleres> chair: Axel Polleres 14:53:35 <AxelPolleres> regrets: Paul Gearon, Olivier Corby 14:54:56 <bglimm> bglimm has joined #sparql 14:54:59 <cbuilara> cbuilara has joined #sparql 14:55:04 <NicoM> NicoM has joined #sparql 14:56:47 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has now started 14:56:54 <Zakim> +??P4 14:57:05 <bglimm> Zakim, ??P4 is me 14:57:05 <Zakim> +bglimm; got it 14:57:18 <Zakim> +SteveH 14:57:32 <SteveH> UK users rushing to get lines :) 14:57:37 <Zakim> +[IPcaller] 14:57:51 <SteveH> IPcaller has breathing noise 14:57:52 <cbuilara> Zakim, +IPcaller is me 14:57:52 <Zakim> sorry, cbuilara, I do not recognize a party named '+IPcaller' 14:57:59 <Zakim> +AxelPolleres 14:58:17 <SteveH> Zakim, who's speaking? 14:58:28 <Zakim> SteveH, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: bglimm (24%), [IPcaller] (39%), AxelPolleres (50%) 14:58:44 <cbuilara> Zakim, ??IPcaller is me 14:58:44 <Zakim> sorry, cbuilara, I do not recognize a party named '??IPcaller' 14:58:44 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me 14:58:45 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted 14:58:50 <cbuilara> Zakim, IPcaller is me 14:58:50 <Zakim> +cbuilara; got it 14:59:03 <Zakim> +??P12 14:59:08 <AndyS> zakim, ??P12 is me 14:59:08 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it 14:59:09 <Zakim> +kasei 14:59:09 <MattPerry> MattPerry has joined #sparql 14:59:12 <SteveH> cbuilara, can you mute, your mic is very noisy 14:59:17 <AndyS> Hi all 14:59:45 <Zakim> + +49.911.973.4.aaaa 15:00:02 <NicoM> zakim, +49.911 is me 15:00:10 <Zakim> +NicoM; got it 15:01:01 <Zakim> +LeeF 15:01:04 <AndyS> zakim, be happy 15:01:04 <Zakim> I don't understand 'be happy', AndyS 15:01:20 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aabb 15:01:36 <MattPerry> zakim, aabb is me 15:01:51 <Zakim> +MattPerry; got it 15:02:22 <Zakim> +Sandro 15:03:23 <NickH> NickH has joined #sparql 15:03:28 <chimezie> chimezie has joined #sparql 15:03:43 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone 15:03:55 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone? 15:03:56 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', AxelPolleres 15:04:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see bglimm (muted), SteveH, cbuilara, AxelPolleres, AndyS, kasei, NicoM, LeeF, MattPerry, Sandro 15:04:39 <Zakim> + +3539149aacc 15:04:41 <Zakim> + +1.216.636.aadd 15:04:45 <AlexPassant> ok 15:04:51 <AlexPassant> Zakim, 3539149aacc is me 15:04:53 <AlexPassant> I'll do it 15:04:57 <Zakim> sorry, AlexPassant, I do not recognize a party named '3539149aacc' 15:04:58 <chimezie> Zakim, +1.216.636.aadd is me 15:05:02 <AxelPolleres> scribe: Alex Passant 15:05:03 <Zakim> +chimezie; got it 15:05:12 <AlexPassant> Zakim, +3539149aacc is me 15:05:17 <Zakim> +AlexPassant; got it 15:05:28 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2011-01-11 15:06:11 <AlexPassant> topic: admin 15:06:15 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-12-21 15:06:17 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: approve minutes for the last meeting 15:06:19 <Zakim> + +44.164.235.aaee 15:06:19 <AlexPassant> ... comments ? 15:06:42 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-12-21 15:06:44 <AlexPassant> ... minutes approved 15:06:52 <NickH> zakim, +44.164.235.aaee is me 15:06:52 <Zakim> +NickH; got it 15:06:56 <NickH> (I think) 15:07:08 <AlexPassant> ... current comments 15:07:14 <AlexPassant> ... some comments over the break 15:07:23 <AlexPassant> ... draft responses that need approval 15:07:25 <AlexPassant> ... or discussion 15:07:39 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:JP-2 from Andy 15:07:45 <AlexPassant> ... JP-2 - comment from AndyS 15:08:06 <AndyS> LeeF has tentatively approved it. ideally, want a second +1 15:08:06 <AlexPassant> ... next one, Ian Davis comment 15:08:08 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:ID-1 15:08:13 <AlexPassant> ... response drafted from chimezie 15:08:44 <SteveH> also http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:DBeckett-1 15:08:44 <AlexPassant> ... discussion on the list around the comment 15:09:08 <AlexPassant> chimezie: one comment about the term "RDF knowledge" 15:09:28 <AlexPassant> ... beyond that, would be good to have input 15:09:40 <AlexPassant> ... some things he asks are about graph storage 15:09:42 <AxelPolleres> wait until we have resolved that terminology.... 15:10:07 <AlexPassant> ... please people look at it and comment if you're not ok with it 15:10:50 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: update the comments table on the wiki and approach people for drafting responses 15:10:50 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - update 15:11:01 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to update the comments table on the wiki and approach people for drafting responses 15:11:01 <trackbot> Created ACTION-353 - Update the comments table on the wiki and approach people for drafting responses [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-01-18]. 15:11:10 <AlexPassant> ... next regular meeting in a week 15:11:15 <AlexPassant> ... scribe : olivier 15:11:39 <Zakim> -bglimm 15:11:43 <AxelPolleres> topic: To Last Call 15:11:52 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/To_Last_Call 15:12:03 <AlexPassant> ... collecting topics on LC on the wiki 15:12:07 <AlexPassant> ... ask ediors to complete this asap 15:12:39 <AlexPassant> ... and mention what's missing 15:12:46 <AlexPassant> ... query document 15:12:52 <AlexPassant> SteveH: 2 things on the TODO list 15:12:56 <AlexPassant> ... check subqueries 15:13:03 <AlexPassant> ... english language 15:13:20 <SteveH> no 15:13:24 <AndyS> Ah. 15:13:26 <Zakim> +??P50 15:13:36 <AndyS> Steve - theer is the formal section to complete for agg/group. 15:13:37 <bglimm> Zakim, ??P50 is me 15:13:37 <Zakim> +bglimm; got it 15:13:57 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me 15:13:57 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted 15:14:02 <AxelPolleres> seems we can't hear andy 15:14:10 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me 15:14:10 <Zakim> chimezie should now be muted 15:14:11 <SteveH> AndyS, I think that's done, but feel free to point me to missing bits after the call 15:14:29 <NickH> <silence> 15:14:30 <AndyS> Steve - not in copy I see - the vars things don't line up yet. Offline. 15:14:31 <AxelPolleres> andy, maybe redai, we can't heaer you it seems 15:14:37 <Zakim> -AndyS 15:14:44 <Zakim> -NicoM 15:14:55 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: comprehensie list of pending issues 15:15:09 <AlexPassant> ... any reviewer for the query document ? 15:15:20 <LeeF> Me please 15:15:20 <bglimm> I can review Query again 15:15:22 <MattPerry> I can review it ... I just signed up 15:15:26 <LeeF> haha 15:15:29 <LeeF> everyone wants to review query! 15:15:30 <AlexPassant> ... at leaast 2 reviews per document 15:15:42 <bglimm> Lots of volunteers ;-) 15:15:45 <AlexPassant> ... LeeF , bglimm and MattPerry volunteer 15:16:12 <AlexPassant> LeeF: sturctural changes, language changes ... 15:16:18 <AlexPassant> ... review to be as comprehensive as possible 15:16:38 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: next: update 15:17:03 <AxelPolleres> Alex: got an email from Andy on editorial comments ... 15:17:08 <Zakim> +??P15 15:17:10 <AxelPolleres> ... main thing missing formal model 15:17:16 <AndyS> zakim, ??P15 is me 15:17:16 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it 15:18:07 <SteveH> ok to review update document 15:18:18 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Alex to wiki-to-last-call doc regarding update 15:18:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-354 - Wiki-to-last-call doc regarding update [on Alexandre Passant - due 2011-01-18]. 15:18:44 <AxelPolleres> Andy: did Alex take into account august comments 15:18:47 <Zakim> +NicoM 15:18:54 <AxelPolleres> Alex: should be, except if I missed something. 15:19:44 <AxelPolleres> Axel: would help if you add names to each item on the wiki 15:20:04 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: next one: protocol 15:20:10 <AlexPassant> ... wiki page on the formal protocol issues 15:20:18 <AlexPassant> LeeF: wiki page still accurate 15:20:24 <AlexPassant> ... greg trying to help the protocol document 15:20:44 <AxelPolleres> Greg will help on protocol, lee tries to help... great! 15:20:51 <AlexPassant> ... different things we want to support based on the last protocol TC 15:20:56 <AlexPassant> ... direct POSTing of SPARQL update queries 15:21:05 <AlexPassant> ... form-encoding conventions 15:21:19 <AlexPassant> ... done some research on how to use WSDL 15:21:45 <AlexPassant> ... got comments on email and twitter 15:21:58 <AlexPassant> ... in favor of being a HTTP only protocol for SPARQL 1.1 15:22:07 <AlexPassant> ... bindings to HTTP 15:22:20 <AlexPassant> ... anybody can go ahead with WSDL bindings 15:22:44 <AlexPassant> ... if protocol goes HTTP only, SOAP wont be a standard implementation 15:22:52 <AlexPassant> ... need to decide if that's what the WG wants 15:23:04 <AlexPassant> ... some additional degree of work on the protocol 15:23:20 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: we have that later on the agenda 15:23:23 <AlexPassant> ... but can discuss now 15:23:45 <AlexPassant> ... any open question 15:23:50 <AlexPassant> .. or everyone fine for that solution 15:24:02 <AlexPassant> ... drop WSDL in SPARQL protocol and got an HTTP only protocol 15:24:06 <LeeF> Proposal would be to drop WSDL from the SPARQL 1.1 Protocol and define the protocol only as an HTTP protocol 15:24:26 <AlexPassant> s/.. or/... or/ 15:24:36 <AlexPassant> LeeF: anybody will be concerned about dropping it ? 15:24:37 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: to drop WSDL from the SPARQL 1.1 Protocol and define the protocol only as an HTTP protocol 15:24:46 <chimezie> second 15:24:47 <bglimm> +1 15:24:48 <AndyS> seconded 15:24:53 <AlexPassant> +1 15:24:54 <cbuilara> +1 15:25:15 <SteveH> +0.5 15:25:21 <NickH> +1 15:26:08 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: to drop WSDL from the SPARQL 1.1 Protocol and define the protocol only as an HTTP protocol 15:26:11 <AndyS> q+ 15:26:30 <AxelPolleres> (no objections) 15:27:25 <AlexPassant> AndyS: JSON and protocol issues 15:27:34 <SteveH> JSONP I think 15:27:36 <AlexPassant> LeeF: issue with cross-domain 15:27:43 <kasei> q+ 15:27:53 <AndyS> ack AndyS 15:28:03 <AlexPassant> ... adding to the protocol page 15:28:22 <Zakim> -bglimm 15:28:42 <AlexPassant> kasei: would not pursue it 15:28:47 <AlexPassant> ... and consider CORS 15:28:56 <SteveH> CORS is a while oof being widely available 15:29:07 <SteveH> *off 15:29:49 <SteveH> it's been around since FF3.5 / Safari 4 15:29:55 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: objections or support ? 15:30:10 <Zakim> +??P52 15:30:16 <bglimm> Zakim, ??P52 is me 15:30:16 <Zakim> +bglimm; got it 15:30:18 <AlexPassant> http://enable-cors.org/ 15:30:21 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me 15:30:21 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted 15:30:32 <AndyS> agree with SteveH -- CORS is done (std) but deployment rollout is the issue (browsers and servers) 15:30:44 <AxelPolleres> q? 15:30:55 <AlexPassant> sandro: no ise of the deployement timeframe 15:31:06 <AlexPassant> ... whether users and JS developers will be happy to use that 15:31:18 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: leave that open for the moment 15:31:26 <AlexPassant> ... not sure we can include in the protocol doc 15:31:34 <AlexPassant> sandro: we could put it at risk and ask for comments 15:31:47 <kasei> regarding "at risk", it's not in the doc right now, and I'm the only one who brought up the issue. 15:33:08 <AlexPassant> kasei: no one has brought the issue yet 15:33:42 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: reviewers for protocol 15:33:55 <LeeF> We need at least 2 reviewers. 15:33:57 <cbuilara> I can review 15:34:09 <AlexPassant> ... AndyS agreed 15:34:19 <AlexPassant> ... cbuilara agreed 15:34:29 <AlexPassant> ... next document : service description 15:34:48 <AlexPassant> kasei: most issues taken into account 15:34:52 <AlexPassant> ... few editorial issues remaining 15:35:03 <AlexPassant> ... aligning links between service description and protocol document 15:35:46 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: closed to be reviewed 15:35:58 <AlexPassant> ... LeeF volunteer. needs another one 15:36:31 <NicoM> ok 15:36:47 <AlexPassant> ... NicoM agreed 15:37:33 <AlexPassant> kasei: reviews could start soon 15:37:52 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Lee to review SD documents for LC 15:37:52 <trackbot> Created ACTION-355 - Review SD documents for LC [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-01-18]. 15:37:57 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Nico to review SD documents for LC 15:37:57 <trackbot> Created ACTION-356 - Review SD documents for LC [on Nico Michaelis - due 2011-01-18]. 15:38:13 <Zakim> -AlexPassant 15:38:14 <Zakim> -SteveH 15:38:19 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me 15:38:19 <Zakim> chimezie should no longer be muted 15:38:45 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010OctDec/0529.html 15:39:04 <bglimm> Zakim, who is on the phone? 15:39:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see cbuilara, AxelPolleres, kasei, LeeF, MattPerry, Sandro, chimezie, NickH, AndyS, NicoM, bglimm (muted) 15:39:49 <AxelPolleres> Steve, Andy, SteveH agreed a solution 15:40:02 <Zakim> +AlexPassant 15:40:40 <AndyS> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/63 15:41:09 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-63 based on ?default syntax for handling updates to default graph 15:41:20 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: default graphs in update 15:41:39 <AlexPassant> chimezie: query component with ?default 15:41:44 <Zakim> +??P30 15:41:50 <bglimm> Zakim, ??P30 is me 15:41:50 <Zakim> +bglimm; got it 15:41:50 <AlexPassant> ... understood that operation applies to the default graph context 15:41:53 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me 15:41:53 <Zakim> bglimm was already muted, bglimm 15:41:57 <AndyS> seconded 15:41:59 <AxelPolleres> q? 15:42:05 <kasei> q- 15:42:12 <SteveH> +1 15:42:15 <chimezie> +1 15:42:35 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-63 based on ?default syntax for handling updates to default graph 15:42:44 <AxelPolleres> close ISSUE-63 15:42:44 <trackbot> ISSUE-63 Handling of default graph in HTTP update protocol closed 15:42:57 <AndyS> zakim, who is speaking? 15:43:05 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is speaking? 15:43:08 <Zakim> AndyS, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Phil (5%), bglimm.a (51%) 15:43:18 <Zakim> AxelPolleres, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Phil (5%), AxelPolleres (19%), bglimm.a (57%) 15:43:18 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, mute bglimm.a 15:43:20 <Zakim> bglimm.a should now be muted 15:43:23 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me 15:43:23 <Zakim> bglimm was already muted, bglimm 15:43:32 <Zakim> -bglimm 15:43:36 <bglimm> I am now bglimm and bglimm.a :-( 15:43:38 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: next one on the title of the document 15:43:48 <AxelPolleres> Thoughts on Dave Beckett's comments re: name? (search for "uniform" in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Dec/0001.html) 15:43:53 <bglimm> Zakim, bglimm.a is bglimm 15:43:53 <Zakim> +bglimm; got it 15:43:54 <AlexPassant> ... based on Dave Beckett comment 15:43:59 <AlexPassant> chimezie: David gave one 15:44:03 <AlexPassant> ... agreed to make it shorter 15:44:17 <AlexPassant> ... suggestion "SPARQL 1.1 RDF graph management protocol" 15:44:24 <AndyS> The word "management" is also a bit odd to me. "management" does not associate with GET to me. 15:44:33 <LeeF> SPARQL 1.1 Basically RESTful But Maybe Not Strictly RESTful HTTP Protocol 15:44:36 <AlexPassant> ... concrete suggestion would be "SPARQL 1.1 HTTP protocol for managing RDF (graphs)" 15:44:46 <AndyS> SPARQL 1.1 RESTful graph protocol. 15:45:10 <AlexPassant> SPARQL 1.1 HTTP protocol 15:45:42 <SteveH> PARQL 1.1 HTTP graph protocol 15:45:45 <LeeF> What about removing "SPARQL 1.1" from the name? 15:45:49 <AxelPolleres> SPARQL 1.1 RESTful graph management protocol 15:45:56 <chimezie> my suggestion "SPARQL 1.1 HTTP Graph Management Protocol" 15:45:57 <AndyS> +1 to SteveH 15:45:57 <kasei> SteveH, haha 15:46:04 <SteveH> you don't need RESTful, and protocol 15:46:39 <SteveH> ...but it's not clear without 15:46:56 <AxelPolleres> RDF graph management protocol 15:47:20 <SteveH> SPARQL is kind of a brand 15:47:28 <SteveH> helps users know what to expect 15:47:48 <AndyS> And spec uses SPARQL Update for defn. 15:47:48 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Chime to collect name suggestions for HTTP protocol and arrive with proposal for title until next TC 15:47:48 <trackbot> Created ACTION-357 - Collect name suggestions for HTTP protocol and arrive with proposal for title until next TC [on Chimezie Ogbuji - due 2011-01-18]. 15:48:23 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/To_Last_Call 15:48:32 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: next document : entailement regime 15:48:36 <AlexPassant> ... no issues recorded 15:48:41 <AxelPolleres> Birte? 15:48:42 <bglimm> yes 15:48:46 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me 15:48:46 <Zakim> bglimm should no longer be muted 15:49:13 <AlexPassant> bglimm: document can be reviewed 15:49:25 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me 15:49:25 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted 15:49:27 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: reviewers for the HTTP protocol document 15:49:49 <AlexPassant> ... AndyS already agreed 15:49:56 <NickH> I am a bit short of time 15:49:59 <NickH> but I will try 15:50:03 <SteveH> I can do it, probably 15:50:06 <AlexPassant> ... NickH agreed 15:50:06 <AndyS> q+ to ask about when reviewing can start (all docs) 15:50:11 <AlexPassant> ... SteveH agreed 15:50:34 <LeeF> when the editors say "go" 15:51:00 <AlexPassant> ... want to start reviews as soon as docs are ready 15:51:37 <bglimm> Yes 15:52:13 <LeeF> I will ask Kendall. 15:52:22 <bglimm> +1 15:52:27 <AlexPassant> ... volunteer for entailement ? 15:52:37 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: leeF to ask kendall for review of the Entailment regimes doc 15:52:37 <trackbot> Created ACTION-358 - Ask kendall for review of the Entailment regimes doc [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-01-18]. 15:53:31 <MattPerry> I can ask around for another team member here at Oracle 15:53:45 <MattPerry> ok 15:54:02 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Matt to find someone in Oracle to review entailment regimes doc 15:54:02 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Matt 15:54:56 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Matthew to find someone in Oracle to review entailment regimes doc 15:54:56 <trackbot> Created ACTION-359 - Find someone in Oracle to review entailment regimes doc [on Matthew Perry - due 2011-01-18]. 15:57:12 <AxelPolleres> next document: federated query 15:57:30 <AlexPassant> ... issues will be summarised by email 15:57:45 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Carlos to summarise and discuss Fed query issue on silent on mail 15:57:45 <trackbot> Created ACTION-360 - Summarise and discuss Fed query issue on silent on mail [on Carlos Buil Aranda - due 2011-01-18]. 15:58:59 <AlexPassant> kasei: put a call for comments and no response 15:59:02 <AlexPassant> ... so probably good 15:59:16 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: reviewing should be eary 16:00:06 <Zakim> -LeeF 16:00:36 <SteveH> bye 16:00:38 <AlexPassant> bye 16:00:39 <MattPerry> bye 16:00:39 <Zakim> -chimezie 16:00:39 <Zakim> -cbuilara 16:00:40 <bglimm> bye 16:00:41 <cbuilara> bye 16:00:42 <Zakim> -Sandro 16:00:43 <NicoM> bye 16:00:44 <Zakim> -NickH 16:00:45 <Zakim> -bglimm 16:00:46 <Zakim> -MattPerry 16:00:47 <Zakim> -kasei 16:00:50 <Zakim> -AndyS 16:01:05 <AlexPassant> rrsagent, create minutes 16:01:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/01/11-sparql-minutes.html AlexPassant 16:01:31 <Zakim> -AlexPassant 16:02:20 <AxelPolleres> rrsagent, make records public 16:03:15 <SteveH> AndyS, where did you get application/ from? I don't see it anywhere in docs/update-1.1/Overview.xml 16:03:23 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: can you remind me how I move the minutes to http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Chatlog_2011-01-11 ? 16:03:29 <AxelPolleres> summary: as for reviews, all reviews should cover substantive issues, structure, and editorial issues 16:03:51 <AxelPolleres> Zakim , make records public 16:04:12 <AxelPolleres> Alex, go to http://www.w3.org/2009/CommonScribe/ 16:04:28 <AndyS> Ah - it's application/ in the results doc. 16:04:31 <SteveH> AndyS, ah, it's in http-rdf-update 16:04:34 <AxelPolleres> ... control panel ... all quite self-explanatory 16:04:42 <AxelPolleres> ... HTH 16:04:46 <AndyS> I don't mind much but I understood that text/ was hard to register. 16:05:00 <AxelPolleres> alex, ping me if trouble thanks for scribing 16:05:00 <SteveH> could be, not really my area 16:05:03 <Zakim> -AxelPolleres 16:05:15 <SteveH> but I was under the impression that text/ should be used for anything human readable 16:05:19 <SteveH> will mail the list 16:05:43 <Zakim> -NicoM 16:05:44 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended 16:05:46 <Zakim> Attendees were bglimm, SteveH, AxelPolleres, cbuilara, AndyS, kasei, +49.911.973.4.aaaa, NicoM, LeeF, +1.603.897.aabb, MattPerry, Sandro, chimezie, AlexPassant, NickH, Phil 16:06:00 <AndyS> Minor - point of ref: It's "application/json" (formally) 16:06:08 <SteveH> AndyS, hm, it's application/sparql-results+xml, which would be correct 16:06:11 <kasei> doesn't text/ come with a close tie to being ascii? i didn't think text/ media types could default to utf encodings. 16:06:24 <SteveH> text/turtle does 16:06:27 <AndyS> kasei, good point 16:06:33 <AndyS> text/turtle is not registered. 16:06:35 <kasei> i didn't think text/turtle was official 16:06:39 <SteveH> not yet, no 16:07:30 <AndyS> http://www.iana.org/assignments/media-types/text/ 16:07:36 <SteveH> it's application/x-turtle, pending registration 16:07:57 <AndyS> That is nowadyas bad style. Hard to switch to non x- form. # SPECIAL MARKER FOR CHATSYNC. DO NOT EDIT THIS LINE OR BELOW. SRCLINESUSED=00000384