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14:54:20 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #sparql 14:54:20 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/12/22-sparql-irc 14:54:20 <AndyS> No zakim. 14:54:29 <Zakim> Zakim has joined #sparql 14:54:37 <AndyS> zakim, who is on the phone? 14:54:37 <Zakim> sorry, AndyS, I don't know what conference this is 14:54:38 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, kasei, AxelPolleres, AndyS, ottela, OlivierCorby, SteveH_, pgearon, LeeF, karl, iv_an_ru, AlexPassant, KjetilK, trackbot, sandro 14:54:50 <AndyS> zakim, this will be SPARQL 14:54:50 <Zakim> ok, AndyS, I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM already started 14:54:56 <AndyS> zakim, who is on the phone? 14:54:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see [IPcaller] 14:55:05 <AndyS> zakim, [IPcaller] is me 14:55:05 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it 14:55:10 <LeeF> trackbot, start meeting 14:55:12 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world 14:55:14 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 77277 14:55:14 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes 14:55:15 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference 14:55:15 <trackbot> Date: 22 December 2009 14:55:46 <AndyS> SteveH_ (again!) you don't store http://myserver/store/http://foo as the graph name do you? You strip the http://myserver/store/ ? 14:56:39 <AxelPolleres> regrets: TommiK, BirteG 14:57:02 <AxelPolleres> kjetil? 14:57:10 <SteveH_> AndyS, that's correct 14:58:15 <Zakim> +??P5 14:58:20 <SteveH_> Zakim, ??P5 is SteveH_ 14:58:20 <Zakim> +SteveH_; got it 14:58:34 <Zakim> +??P6 14:58:39 <kasei> Zakim, P6 is me 14:58:39 <Zakim> sorry, kasei, I do not recognize a party named 'P6' 14:58:45 <kasei> Zakim, ??P6 is me 14:58:45 <Zakim> +kasei; got it 14:58:47 <Zakim> +pgearon 14:58:56 <kasei> Zakim, mute me 14:58:56 <Zakim> kasei should now be muted 14:59:12 <Zakim> + +49.238.aaaa 14:59:17 <Zakim> +[IPcaller] 14:59:21 <LeeF> zakim, IPcaller is me 14:59:21 <Zakim> +LeeF; got it 14:59:34 <OlivierCorby> 49.238.aaaa is Olivier 14:59:40 <LeeF> zakim, aaaa is OlivierCorby 14:59:40 <Zakim> +OlivierCorby; got it 15:00:13 <Souri> Souri has joined #sparql 15:00:14 <Zakim> +??P10 15:00:19 <AlexPassant> Zakim, ??P10 is me 15:00:19 <Zakim> +AlexPassant; got it 15:00:20 <MattPerry> MattPerry has joined #sparql 15:00:25 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone? 15:00:25 <Zakim> On the phone I see AndyS, Axel, SteveH_, kasei (muted), pgearon, OlivierCorby, LeeF, AlexPassant 15:00:31 <Zakim> +Sandro 15:00:47 <Zakim> +Souri 15:00:58 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2009-12-22 15:01:08 <Zakim> +??P13 15:01:28 <MattPerry> zakim, ??P13 is MattPerry 15:01:28 <Zakim> +MattPerry; got it 15:03:04 <AxelPolleres> scribe: OlivierCorby 15:03:04 <AxelPolleres> scribe: AxelPolleres 15:04:22 <AxelPolleres> topic: admin 15:04:29 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-12-15 15:04:47 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-12-15 15:05:11 <AxelPolleres> Axel: Next meeting Jan 5. 15:05:11 <AxelPolleres> OlivierCorby: I can't scribe next time, regrets. 15:05:11 <AxelPolleres> topic: comments 15:05:43 <AndyS> Topic: Liasons 15:06:53 <AxelPolleres> axel: no news from RIF 15:06:53 <AxelPolleres> steveH: no news from eGov yet 15:06:53 <AxelPolleres> souri: rdb2rdf news... currently presentations of initial input 15:07:08 <AxelPolleres> topic: action review 15:07:24 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0657.html 15:07:44 <Souri> RDB2RDF news: last week we had a presentation on OKKAM 15:08:28 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/134 15:09:17 <SteveH_> q+ 15:09:21 <Zakim> +??P14 15:09:38 <KjetilK> Zakim, ??P14 is me 15:09:38 <Zakim> +KjetilK; got it 15:09:53 <LeeF> "What does X mean?" is not an issue if X doesn't exist 15:10:06 <Zakim> -AlexPassant 15:12:55 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.1/Overview.xml#sec_security 15:13:03 <AndyS> Close ACTION-134 15:13:03 <trackbot> ACTION-134 And Andy to figure out what happens with SELECT ( _:b1 AS ?blank) closed 15:13:47 <Zakim> +??P10 15:13:54 <AlexPassant> Zakim, ??P10 is me 15:13:54 <Zakim> +AlexPassant; got it 15:13:54 <SteveH_> ACTION-135 is on me, not Paul 15:14:33 <AxelPolleres> we have closed 135, we are on action 136, sorry for confusion. 15:14:52 <AndyS> Close ACTION-135 15:14:52 <trackbot> ACTION-135 Summarize Query security issues in security section once document has been merged closed 15:16:53 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Paul to link the ISSUE-19 in http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.1/Overview.xml#sec_security and start email discussion. 15:16:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-156 - Link the ISSUE-19 in http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.1/Overview.xml#sec_security and start email discussion. [on Paul Gearon - due 2009-12-29]. 15:17:35 <AxelPolleres> thread http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0551.html 15:17:35 <AxelPolleres> closes ACTION-144 15:17:42 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-144 15:17:42 <trackbot> ACTION-144 Start conversation in an email closed 15:18:05 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-154 15:18:05 <trackbot> ACTION-154 Work with Birte to figure out video conference facilities for F2F3 closed 15:19:02 <AxelPolleres> topic: Review Document Review Readiness 15:19:16 <AxelPolleres> summary mail: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0651.html 15:20:03 <AxelPolleres> topic: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/rq25.xml 15:20:54 <AxelPolleres> some general layout problems. 15:21:31 <AxelPolleres> discussion about example standards. 15:21:55 <AxelPolleres> sandro will start email discusssion on that. 15:22:16 <SteveH_> andy? 15:22:52 <AxelPolleres> AndyS: can be reviewed, we still try to get some more text in 15:23:17 <AxelPolleres> steveH: will not get in more, but hapy with reviews. 15:23:31 <SteveH_> s/with/for/ 15:23:37 <AndyS> AndyS: The stylesheet problems are a barrier. 15:24:23 <AxelPolleres> query Reviewers: Birte, Matt Souri, Axel 15:24:59 <LeeF> I said last week that we'd clean that up as part of the publication process 15:25:22 <LeeF> +1 to sandro 15:25:41 <LeeF> ACTION: Birte to review query editors' draft 15:25:41 <trackbot> Created ACTION-157 - Review query editors' draft [on Birte Glimm - due 2009-12-29]. 15:25:47 <LeeF> ACTION: Matthew to review query editors' draft 15:25:47 <trackbot> Created ACTION-158 - Review query editors' draft [on Matthew Perry - due 2009-12-29]. 15:25:51 <LeeF> ACTION: Souri to review query editors' draft 15:25:51 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Souri 15:25:54 <LeeF> ACTION: Axel to review query editors' draft 15:25:54 <trackbot> Created ACTION-159 - Review query editors' draft [on Axel Polleres - due 2009-12-29]. 15:26:04 <Souri> sdas2? 15:26:20 <sandro> sandro: I suggest having a detailed changelog in at #changelog in an appendix, with a section for each version, and then having a one-sentence version of it in the SOTD. 15:26:29 <LeeF> Souri, you don't exist :) 15:26:34 <LeeF> ACTION: sdas2 to review query editors' draft 15:26:34 <trackbot> Created ACTION-160 - Review query editors' draft [on Souripriya Das - due 2009-12-29]. 15:26:36 <Souri> Oh Oh 15:27:10 <AxelPolleres> topic: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.1/Overview.xml 15:27:36 <AxelPolleres> will be ready for review later today 15:28:11 <AxelPolleres> update Reviewers: AndyS, Axel 15:28:13 <LeeF> AndyS: Already reviewed update doc, but will look at hcanges as well 15:28:23 <LeeF> action: Axel to review update editors' draft 15:28:23 <trackbot> Created ACTION-161 - Review update editors' draft [on Axel Polleres - due 2009-12-29]. 15:29:08 <KjetilK> Zakim, mute me 15:29:08 <Zakim> KjetilK should now be muted 15:29:10 <AxelPolleres> topic: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/protocol-1.1/ 15:29:45 <AxelPolleres> Lee: david is now on CVS, we work on WSDL at the moment. 15:29:57 <AndyS> LeeF: David will update WSDL which is central 15:30:06 <AxelPolleres> ... come up with examples, issues, update return. 15:30:09 <Prateek> Prateek has joined #sparql 15:30:24 <Souri> zakim, mute me 15:30:24 <Zakim> Souri should now be muted 15:30:29 <Zakim> +satya 15:30:38 <Prateek> Zakim,satya is Prateek 15:30:38 <Zakim> +Prateek; got it 15:31:34 <AxelPolleres> let's revisit protocol in the next TCs and decide on schedule then 15:31:44 <AxelPolleres> topic: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/service-description-1.1/ 15:31:47 <kasei> Zakim, unmute me 15:31:47 <Zakim> kasei should no longer be muted 15:32:03 <AxelPolleres> Service description Reviewers: David, Alex, Axel 15:32:32 <AlexPassant> I sent some comments this morning 15:32:39 <LeeF> That sounds perfect to me 15:33:50 <AxelPolleres> let's decide over the changelog issue in the publication process and unify it (chairs) 15:33:59 <Souri> zakim, unmute me 15:33:59 <Zakim> Souri should no longer be muted 15:34:29 <LeeF> action: David to review service description editors' draft 15:34:29 <trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - David 15:34:29 <trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. dcharbon2, dnewman2) 15:34:36 <LeeF> action: dcharbon2 to review service description editors' draft 15:34:37 <trackbot> Created ACTION-162 - Review service description editors' draft [on David Charboneau - due 2009-12-29]. 15:34:44 <LeeF> action: Alex to review service description editors' draft 15:34:44 <trackbot> Created ACTION-163 - Review service description editors' draft [on Alexandre Passant - due 2009-12-29]. 15:34:47 <LeeF> action: Axel to review service description editors' draft 15:34:47 <trackbot> Created ACTION-164 - Review service description editors' draft [on Axel Polleres - due 2009-12-29]. 15:36:33 <kasei> Zakim, mute me 15:36:33 <Zakim> kasei should now be muted 15:36:59 <AxelPolleres> topic: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/entailment/xmlspec.xml 15:37:15 <AxelPolleres> entailment Reviewers: Ivan, Axel 15:38:00 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/ 15:38:28 <LeeF> action: Ivan Herman to review entailment editors' draft 15:38:28 <trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - Ivan 15:38:28 <trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. ivan, imikhail) 15:38:36 <LeeF> action: ivan to review entailment editors' draft 15:38:36 <trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - ivan 15:38:36 <trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. ivan, imikhail) 15:39:10 <AxelPolleres> http upfate reviewers reviewers: AndyS, LeeF, Axel 15:39:11 <LeeF> action: Axel to review entailment editors' draft 15:39:11 <trackbot> Created ACTION-165 - Review entailment editors' draft [on Axel Polleres - due 2009-12-29]. 15:40:10 <AxelPolleres> topic: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/property-paths/Overview.xml 15:40:13 <AndyS> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/property-paths/Overview.xml 15:40:29 <LeeF> action: Andy to review http update editor's draft 15:40:29 <trackbot> Created ACTION-166 - Review http update editor's draft [on Andy Seaborne - due 2009-12-29]. 15:40:35 <LeeF> action: Lee to review http update editor's draft 15:40:35 <trackbot> Created ACTION-167 - Review http update editor's draft [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2009-12-29]. 15:40:38 <LeeF> action: Axel to review http update editor's draft 15:40:38 <trackbot> Created ACTION-168 - Review http update editor's draft [on Axel Polleres - due 2009-12-29]. 15:40:53 <LeeF> I already reviewed it with an eye towards FPWD. 15:40:58 <LeeF> But will complete a longer review as well. 15:41:29 <LeeF> action: Lee to review property path editor's draft for FPWD 15:41:29 <trackbot> Created ACTION-169 - Review property path editor's draft for FPWD [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2009-12-29]. 15:41:42 <LeeF> action: ivan to review property path editor's draft for FPWD 15:41:42 <trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - ivan 15:41:42 <trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. ivan, imikhail) 15:42:13 <LeeF> action: ivanh to review entailment editors' draft 15:42:13 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - ivanh 15:42:22 <LeeF> action: herman to review entailment editors' draft 15:42:22 <trackbot> Created ACTION-170 - Review entailment editors' draft [on Ivan Herman - due 2009-12-29]. 15:42:39 <LeeF> action: herman to review property path editor's draft 15:42:39 <trackbot> Created ACTION-171 - Review property path editor's draft [on Ivan Herman - due 2009-12-29]. 15:42:42 <KjetilK> can we discuss ISSUE-48? 15:42:56 <sandro> RRSAgent, make log public 15:43:04 <LeeF> action: sdas2 to review property path editor's draft 15:43:04 <KjetilK> Zakim, unmute me 15:43:04 <Zakim> KjetilK should no longer be muted 15:43:05 <trackbot> Created ACTION-172 - Review property path editor's draft [on Souripriya Das - due 2009-12-29]. 15:45:36 <AxelPolleres> topic: AOB 15:44:36 <AxelPolleres> Matt: looks that my comments on propertypaths didn't go through to the list 15:43:36 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/ ... nothing there 15:46:05 <sandro> MattPerry, It *was* held up for staff approval as possible spam --- I just approved it. 15:45:13 <KjetilK> q+ 15:45:20 <SteveH_> q- 15:45:33 <AndyS> ack KjetilK 15:45:36 <AxelPolleres> topic: AOB (ISSUE-48) 15:45:36 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/48 15:46:42 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0644.html 15:46:42 <AxelPolleres> ? 15:49:03 <AndyS> and FILTER? 15:50:14 <AxelPolleres> what's the issue with FILTERs in update? 15:50:28 <SteveH_> a FILTER with a (NOT) EXISTS in it in the abbr. syntax would be very strange 15:50:50 <AndyS> Example to discuss: DELETE { ?x :p ?v FILTER (?v > 23) } 15:51:07 <SteveH_> well, it is only an abbreviated syntax 15:51:15 <SteveH_> so for hard cases like that you can write it in full 15:51:46 <AxelPolleres> Paul: current proposal shortcut only when DELETE and WHERE are identical, not with FILTERs 15:52:01 <AxelPolleres> ... Ansy says that it is semantically not critical. 15:52:41 <AndyS> I pointed out there are no problems - wasn't the only one for it. 15:52:49 <AxelPolleres> s/Ansy/Andy/ 15:53:09 <Zakim> -AlexPassant 15:53:55 <SteveH_> I like keeping FILTER out 15:54:05 <Zakim> +??P2 15:54:08 <AlexPassant> Zakim, ??P2 is me 15:54:08 <Zakim> +AlexPassant; got it 15:55:25 <Zakim> -Souri 15:55:29 <Zakim> -Axel 15:55:29 <LeeF> cheers, everyone 15:55:30 <Zakim> -SteveH_ 15:55:31 <Zakim> -AlexPassant 15:55:32 <Zakim> -Sandro 15:55:34 <Zakim> -LeeF 15:55:34 <Zakim> -MattPerry 15:55:38 <Zakim> -OlivierCorby 15:55:42 <Zakim> -Prateek 15:55:45 <Zakim> -pgearon 15:55:55 <AxelPolleres> Axel: I guess if someone *wants* FILTERs to be in the abbreviated update syntax, please post a review to the list! 15:56:00 <pgearon> Bye KjetilK 15:56:02 <AndyS> Bye to KjetilK and good luck 15:56:02 <Zakim> -KjetilK 15:56:04 <Zakim> -kasei 15:56:14 <KjetilK> thanks, AndyS and pgearon! 15:56:15 <Zakim> -AndyS 15:56:17 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended 15:56:18 <Zakim> Attendees were AndyS, Axel, SteveH_, kasei, pgearon, +49.238.aaaa, LeeF, OlivierCorby, AlexPassant, Sandro, Souri, MattPerry, KjetilK, Prateek 16:00:16 <AxelPolleres> Kjetil, good luck indeed, we should have said thank you for all your work in the TC! (Kjetil will be leaving the group, I just learnt) 16:00:16 <AxelPolleres> RRSAGENT, make log public # SPECIAL MARKER FOR CHATSYNC. DO NOT EDIT THIS LINE OR BELOW. SRCLINESUSED=00000243