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13:47:36 <AxelPolleres> AOB: Does it make sense to discuss the entailment regime-URIs today?.... I ask because there would be a RIF call today, and, if I want to poke them, I should maybe start in that call (would need to leave early then...), cf. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0084.html 13:56:51 <AndyS> There are several thing on the agenda that look like long and important. 13:59:51 <LukeWM> zakim, where are you? 13:59:51 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, LukeWM. 14:00:03 <AndyS> zakim, ??P?? is me 14:00:03 <Zakim> sorry, AndyS, I do not recognize a party named '??P??' 14:00:18 <AndyS> zakim, who is on the phone? 14:00:18 <Zakim> sorry, AndyS, I don't know what conference this is 14:00:19 <Zakim> On IRC I see bglimm, LukeWM, Zakim, AxelPolleres, AndyS, SimonS, LeeF, SteveH, ivanh, iv_an_ru, pgearon, KjetilK, kjetil, ericP, AlexPassant, kasei, trackbot 14:00:36 <AndyS> zakim, this is sparql 14:00:36 <Zakim> ok, AndyS; that matches SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM 14:00:39 <Zakim> +bglimm 14:00:44 <AndyS> zakim, who is on the phone? 14:00:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P24, kasei, +7.950.aaaa, bglimm 14:00:52 <AndyS> zakim, ??P24 is me 14:00:52 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it 14:00:52 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me 14:00:53 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted 14:01:06 <kasei> Zakim, mute me 14:01:06 <Zakim> kasei should now be muted 14:01:35 <Zakim> +AxelPolleres 14:01:52 <ivanh> zakim, dial ivanh-voip 14:02:02 <Zakim> ok, ivanh; the call is being made 14:02:04 <Zakim> +ivanh 14:02:26 <Zakim> +SimonS 14:03:32 <LeeF> hey, everyone 14:03:34 <LeeF> sorry i'm late 14:03:35 <LeeF> dialing in now 14:03:55 <AxelPolleres> Agenda is here (with additions from andy): http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0136.html� 14:04:08 <LukeWM> does anyone know how to make the ?? stuff appear on the phone? 14:04:26 <LeeF> except zakim isn't working for me 14:04:32 <bglimm> Lee, I cannot here you 14:04:41 <LeeF> Not on the phone yet, trying to connect 14:04:43 <AxelPolleres> hmmm 14:05:02 <LukeWM> Zakim, who is on the phone? 14:05:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see AndyS, kasei (muted), +7.950.aaaa, bglimm (muted), AxelPolleres, ivanh, SimonS 14:05:02 <bglimm> ah 14:05:04 <Zakim> +LeeF 14:05:06 <kasei> LikeWM, "?? stuff"? 14:05:07 <bglimm> yes 14:05:48 <LukeWM> kasei, the code that identifies us to zakim. Is there something I can type into the phone keypad to make it appear on IRC? 14:05:57 <SteveH> it's something like #41 14:06:00 <kasei> 41#, I think 14:06:16 <kasei> hrmm 14:06:27 <AndyS> Topic: Administation 14:06:34 <AndyS> scribe:AndyS 14:06:44 <AndyS> scribenick:AndyS 14:07:05 <Zakim> +Chimezie_Ogbuji 14:07:08 <AndyS> LeeF: for now, move admin to later 14:07:26 <AndyS> Topic: FPWD 14:07:38 <AndyS> Chair: LeeF 14:08:14 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me 14:08:14 <Zakim> bglimm should no longer be muted 14:08:18 <AndyS> LeeF: W3C typical model for FPWD is to publish something on time, with issues, but no sense of complete 14:08:24 <AndyS> zakim, mute me 14:08:24 <Zakim> AndyS should now be muted 14:08:42 <bglimm> I still have no CVS access (can connect, but have no rights to see the relevant folder) 14:08:42 <AndyS> ... good to publish in advance of ISWC 14:08:54 <AndyS> ... one hour panel on SPARQL at ISWC 14:08:58 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me 14:08:58 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted 14:09:07 <AndyS> ... so generate community interest 14:09:17 <AndyS> ... publish as many docs as possible 14:10:08 <AndyS> ... the naming/versioing issue -- need to clarify. Individual drafts numbered (agreed F2F) 14:10:23 <AndyS> ... then a chair talked about SPARQL 2.0 14:10:54 <AndyS> ... and the individual docs having different numbers has been shown to be confusing 14:11:27 <SteveH> q+ 14:11:43 <LeeF> ack SteveH 14:11:43 <AndyS> ... may get worse with future doc versions 14:12:04 <LeeF> SteveH, are you talking? 14:12:07 <SteveH> yes 14:12:08 <LeeF> zakim, who's on the phone? 14:12:08 <Zakim> On the phone I see AndyS (muted), kasei (muted), +7.950.aaaa, bglimm (muted), AxelPolleres, ivanh, SimonS, LeeF, Chimezie_Ogbuji 14:12:11 <SteveH> Zakim, unmute me 14:12:11 <Zakim> sorry, SteveH, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you 14:12:15 <SteveH> aaah 14:12:37 <LukeWM> zakim, who is speaking 14:12:37 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is speaking', LukeWM 14:13:00 <AndyS> SteveH: The multi-version thing is confusing - feedback from colleagues. 14:13:13 <AndyS> ... one label for the whole package 14:13:25 <LukeWM> Zakim, who is talking 14:13:25 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is talking', LukeWM 14:13:40 <AndyS> ... if SPARQL 2.0, then use that not doc versions. 14:13:40 <LukeWM> Zakim, who is talking? 14:13:44 <SimonS> +1 for SPARQL2010 14:13:50 <Zakim> LukeWM, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +7.950.aaaa (14%), LeeF (42%) 14:13:52 <AndyS> ... suggest SPARQL-2010 style 14:14:05 <ivanh> q+ 14:14:07 <AxelPolleres> q+ 14:14:13 <AndyS> zakim, unmute me 14:14:13 <Zakim> AndyS was not muted, AndyS 14:14:21 <AndyS> ack AndyS 14:14:39 <LeeF> ack ivanh 14:14:40 <AndyS> zakim, mute me 14:14:40 <Zakim> AndyS should now be muted 14:14:41 <LukeWM> zakim, Garlik is 7.950.aaaa 14:14:41 <Zakim> sorry, LukeWM, I do not recognize a party named 'Garlik' 14:14:51 <LeeF> zakim, aaaa is Garlik 14:14:51 <Zakim> +Garlik; got it 14:15:02 <LukeWM> thanks LeeF 14:15:03 <LeeF> zakim, Garlik has SteveH, LukeWM 14:15:03 <Zakim> +SteveH, LukeWM; got it 14:15:27 <SteveH> +1 to ivanh 14:15:29 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-05-06#resolution_3 14:15:32 <LeeF> ack AxelPolleres 14:15:36 <AndyS> ivanh: no strong feelings but SPARQL-2.0 so SPARQL-2.0/Update 14:16:16 <AndyS> Axel: (reminder of discussion) 14:16:54 <kasei> does ivan's idea get weird if later on query is updated, and everything else without changes gets a version bump, too (so maybe update 1.1 == update 2.0)?? 14:17:29 <kasei> seems like it gets weird either way. 14:17:34 <SteveH> that's why I prefer years 14:17:38 <ivanh> q+ 14:17:53 <SteveH> heh 14:17:55 <LeeF> ack ivan 14:18:21 <AndyS> ivanh: if touch one, touch everything in practice so can happen but less likely 14:18:32 <AndyS> ... breaks the W3C style. 14:18:41 <AndyS> ... not been done before 14:18:47 <AndyS> zakim, unmute me 14:18:47 <Zakim> AndyS should no longer be muted 14:19:03 <AxelPolleres> What speaks against going uniformly with 1.1 (looks like a compromise)? 14:19:31 <AndyS> ivanh: XML was special -- other specs have used version by number OK 14:19:41 <ivanh> s/XML/XHTML/ 14:20:10 <AxelPolleres> SPARQL1.1/Query SPARQL1.1/Update ... instead of SPARQL/Query 1.1 SPARQL/Update 1.0, etc. 14:20:10 <AndyS> LeeF: propose SPARQL-X/Query etc 14:20:17 <SteveH> +1 14:20:19 <LeeF> PROPOSED: To give this round of SPARQL work its own name and name the components based on that 14:20:20 <ivanh> +1 14:20:28 <chimezie> +1 14:20:28 <kasei> +1 14:20:29 <SimonS> +1 14:20:34 <bglimm> 0 14:20:41 <bglimm> yes 14:20:41 <AxelPolleres> +1 (if promised we stick with that ;-) ) 14:20:47 <LeeF> RESOLVED: To give this round of SPARQL work its own name and name the components based on that, bglimm abstaining 14:20:48 <bglimm> I have no strong opinion on any 14:20:58 <LeeF> What is X? 14:20:59 <LeeF> 1.1 14:21:00 <LeeF> 2.0 14:21:01 <LeeF> 2 14:21:04 <LeeF> 2010 14:21:41 <AndyS> zakim, unmute me 14:21:41 <Zakim> AndyS was not muted, AndyS 14:21:44 <AndyS> q+ 14:21:48 <LeeF> ack AndyS 14:22:25 <AndyS> AndyS: SPARQL-2012 and publish early 14:22:44 <AndyS> pref for 2 not 2.0 14:22:46 <SteveH> q+ 14:22:50 <LeeF> ack SteveH 14:23:08 <SimonS> q+ 14:24:04 <AndyS> ivan: cautious about 2010 style 14:24:09 <LeeF> ack SimonS 14:24:23 <KjetilK> Zakim, what is the code? 14:24:23 <Zakim> the conference code is 77277 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), KjetilK 14:24:32 <Zakim> +??P2 14:24:39 <KjetilK> Zakim, ??P2 is me 14:24:39 <Zakim> +KjetilK; got it 14:24:39 <AxelPolleres> q+ 14:24:46 <LeeF> acl AxelPolleres 14:24:49 <LeeF> ack AxelPolleres 14:25:30 <KjetilK> Zakim, mute me 14:25:30 <Zakim> KjetilK should now be muted 14:25:43 <AndyS> strawpoll 14:26:02 <LeeF> straw poll: SPARQL 1.1 14:26:04 <kasei> +1 14:26:05 <AxelPolleres> +1 14:26:05 <bglimm> 0 14:26:07 <SteveH> 0 14:26:07 <KjetilK> +1 14:26:07 <ivanh> +1 14:26:08 <AndyS> +0 14:26:09 <LeeF> 0 14:26:13 <chimezie> +1 14:26:13 <SimonS> +1 14:26:14 <LukeWM> 0 14:26:25 <LeeF> 1.1 - 6 +1s 14:26:41 <LeeF> straw poll: SPARQL 2 (or 2.0) 14:26:44 <SteveH> -1 14:26:45 <bglimm> 0 14:26:50 <kasei> -1 14:26:50 <KjetilK> 0 14:26:50 <AxelPolleres> 0 14:26:50 <ivanh> 1 14:26:51 <SimonS> -1 14:26:51 <LeeF> +1 14:26:52 <AndyS> +1 (pref 2) 14:26:52 <LukeWM> 0 14:26:53 <chimezie> 0 14:27:05 <LeeF> less support for 2/2.0 then for 1.1 14:27:09 <LeeF> straw poll: SPARQL 2010 14:27:11 <SteveH> +1 14:27:12 <kasei> +1 14:27:12 <ivanh> -1 14:27:13 <bglimm> 0 14:27:13 <KjetilK> -1 14:27:13 <LeeF> +1 14:27:14 <SimonS> +1 14:27:14 <chimezie> 0 14:27:15 <LukeWM> 0 14:27:15 <AndyS> 0 14:27:19 <AxelPolleres> -1 14:27:50 <LeeF> PROPOSED: The current work be known as SPARQL 1.1 with the components being SPARQL 1.1 Query, SPARQL 1.1 Update, SPARQL 1.1 Protocol, etc. 14:27:58 <SteveH> seconded 14:28:03 <ivanh> +1 14:28:15 <AxelPolleres> +1 14:28:17 <bglimm> +1 14:28:18 <LeeF> RESOLVED: The current work be known as SPARQL 1.1 with the components being SPARQL 1.1 Query, SPARQL 1.1 Update, SPARQL 1.1 Protocol, etc. 14:28:23 <AndyS> action: andy and steve: update the query document for SPARQL 1.1 (Query) before FPWD 14:28:23 <trackbot> Created ACTION-119 - And steve: update the query document for SPARQL 1.1 (Query) before FPWD [on Andy Seaborne - due 2009-10-20]. 14:28:26 <LeeF> ACTION: Lee to fix his slides 14:28:29 <trackbot> Created ACTION-120 - Fix his slides [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2009-10-20]. 14:28:45 <AxelPolleres> q+ 14:28:47 <SteveH> Query is already 1.1 14:28:55 <LeeF> ACTION: Eric and Lee to make sure FPWD documents reflect SPARQL 1.1 X style naming 14:28:55 <trackbot> Created ACTION-121 - And Lee to make sure FPWD documents reflect SPARQL 1.1 X style naming [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2009-10-20]. 14:28:59 <AndyS> but written wrongly 14:29:02 <SteveH> ah, ok 14:29:04 <chimezie> what about drafts that don't reference SPARQL __? is a change neccessary? 14:29:45 <AndyS> zakim, unmute me 14:29:45 <Zakim> AndyS was not muted, AndyS 14:29:47 <AndyS> q+ 14:30:22 <SteveH> +1 to ivan 14:30:27 <SteveH> it has mappings to the update language 14:30:40 <AxelPolleres> q- 14:31:03 <LeeF> ack AndyS 14:31:25 <AndyS> AndyS: the relationship to naming is SPARQL 14:31:56 <AndyS> chimezie: title already problematic: otherwise mostly neutral 14:31:58 <chimezie> i will concurr 14:31:59 <AxelPolleres> short names, some proposals: http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-query/ vs. http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql1.1-query/ vs. http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql-1.1-query/ etc. so... there are a couple of options 14:32:16 <AndyS> W3C is usually 11 isn't it? 14:32:22 <ivanh> AndyS: yes 14:32:32 <LeeF> sparql11-query 14:32:35 <LeeF> sparql11-update 14:32:38 <LeeF> sparql11-protocol 14:32:43 <LeeF> sparql11-service-description 14:32:50 <ivanh> sparql11-entailement ? 14:32:52 <AndyS> yuk -> ell-one-one 14:32:56 <LeeF> sparql11-rdf-http-update 14:32:57 <AndyS> but oh well 14:33:45 <AxelPolleres> e.g. http://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema11-2/ 14:33:58 <AndyS> ivanh: will check what other groups have done 14:33:59 <SteveH> e.g. http://www.w3.org/TR/xml11/ 14:34:10 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/TR/xml11/ 14:34:32 <AndyS> Leef: short name style sparql11-xyz 14:34:37 <bglimm> owl2-profiles, owl2-syntax, etc it is for OWL 14:35:03 <ivanh> AndyS: yes, pretty much 14:35:11 <AndyS> Topic: Status of documents 14:35:55 <LeeF> subtopic: SPARQL 1.1 Update 14:35:57 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.0/ 14:36:12 <AxelPolleres> q+ to point to formalty about query.... http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-10-06#resolution_3 14:36:16 <SteveH> q+ 14:36:25 <LeeF> ack SteveH 14:36:44 <AndyS> SteveH: current form - some contradictions and may confuse. 14:37:38 <AxelPolleres> q- 14:37:50 <Zakim> +Prateek 14:37:54 <SimonS> http://www.w3.org/mid/BD315460-58A8-46BF-8324-FB5D057715A3@garlik.com 14:37:59 <LeeF> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0041.html 14:39:14 <SimonS> q+ 14:39:34 <LeeF> ack SimonS 14:39:56 <AndyS> SteveH: issues not agreed on are not called out (e.g. issue-20) 14:40:40 <AndyS> SimonS: not a contradiction as such - having trouble getting to W3C to do edits 14:42:12 <AndyS> LeeF: better to publish than polish - if we can identify the areas for issues to be called out as unresolved 14:42:21 <AndyS> SimonS: many changes 14:42:40 <AndyS> ... reorder the doc to follows current SPARQL spec 14:42:58 <AndyS> ... separate issues renamed to features in query 14:43:07 <AndyS> ... inline issues 14:43:14 <AndyS> ... grammar from common grammar 14:43:20 <SteveH> calls out to issues are good, thanks SimonS 14:44:54 <AndyS> (Could the grammar changes be logged so I can test them) 14:46:01 <AndyS> LeeF; all decisions modulo XSLT issues 14:46:14 <AndyS> LeeF: all decisions modulo XSLT issues 14:46:37 <AndyS> ... no red stuff from xmlspec/XSLT processing 14:46:52 <AndyS> ... will roll changes back to editors docs 14:47:44 <AxelPolleres> q+ 14:48:45 <LukeWM> I'm happy to do a review 14:50:03 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.0/ as FPWD under sparql11-update modulo Luke's approval of Simon's updates to text in section 4 and fixes to xml-spec issues 14:50:11 <SteveH> seconded 14:50:18 <ivanh> +1 14:50:25 <bglimm> +1 14:50:29 <AxelPolleres> +1 (DERI) 14:50:55 <AndyS> +1 (HP) 14:50:59 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.0/ as FPWD under sparql11-update modulo Luke's approval of Simon's updates to text in section 4 and fixes to xml-spec issues, no abstentions or objections 14:51:05 <AxelPolleres> q+ to ask about formality wrt query 14:51:19 <AndyS> subtopic: SPARQL/update protocol 14:51:47 <AndyS> subtopic: SPARQL/Query 14:51:52 <LeeF> PROPOSED: That the actual short name under which SPARQL 1.1 Query be published as FPWD is sparql11-query 14:51:56 <ivanh> +1 14:51:59 <bglimm> +1 14:51:59 <AndyS> seconded 14:52:02 <AxelPolleres> as an amendment to resolution http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-10-06#resolution_3 14:52:05 <AxelPolleres> +1 14:52:12 <LeeF> RESOLVED: That the actual short name under which SPARQL 1.1 Query be published as FPWD is sparql11-query, no abstentions or objections 14:52:16 <LeeF> ack AxelPolleres 14:52:16 <Zakim> AxelPolleres, you wanted to ask about formality wrt query 14:52:22 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/ 14:52:26 <AndyS> subtopic: SPARQL/update http protocol 14:52:54 <AndyS> chimezie: has addressed comments as best he can - issues highlighted 14:53:18 <KjetilK> q+ 14:53:26 <AndyS> I'm happy to publish as is. 14:53:30 <SteveH> I'm happy 14:53:35 <LeeF> ack kjetil 14:54:14 <AndyS> KjetilK: good enough for FPWD - but pref chnage "RDF knowledge" terminology 14:54:46 <AndyS> LeeF: suggestions for different name? 14:55:19 <AndyS> KjetilK: (unclear to scribe) 14:55:26 <LeeF> kjetil: maybe "graph information resource"? 14:57:12 <AndyS> LeeF: terminology can change in later drafts. Flag an issue 14:57:20 <AndyS> ... flag an issue for now 14:57:42 <LeeF> ISSUE: Suitability of term "networked RDF knowledge" 14:57:42 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-44 - Suitability of term "networked RDF knowledge" ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/44/edit . 14:58:09 <LeeF> sparql11-rdf-http-update ? 14:59:18 <KjetilK> sparql11-http-update ? 14:59:26 <KjetilK> isn't that enough? 14:59:28 <AndyS> with rdf 14:59:41 <AndyS> (not strong) 15:00:07 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/ as sparql11-http-rdf-update modulo any xlm-spec issues 15:00:10 <ivanh> q+ 15:01:00 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/ as FPWD at sparql11-http-rdf-update modulo any xlm-spec issues and adding SPARQL 1.1 to title and cleaning up references 15:01:01 <ivanh> ack ivan 15:01:12 <ivanh> +1 15:01:13 <bglimm> +1 15:01:25 <KjetilK> +1 15:01:28 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/ as FPWD at sparql11-http-rdf-update modulo any xlm-spec issues and adding SPARQL 1.1 to title and cleaning up references, no abstentions or objections 15:01:30 <AxelPolleres> +1 (DERI) 15:01:48 <AndyS> subtopic: SPARQL/protocol 15:02:01 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/protocol-1.1/ 15:02:02 <bglimm> what is the URL for that? 15:02:05 <bglimm> thanks 15:02:22 <Zakim> -Chimezie_Ogbuji 15:02:49 <AndyS> LeeF: overall structure OK - need heading for update (language by POST) examples 15:03:04 <bglimm> and it as XML errors 15:03:36 <bglimm> s/as/has/ 15:04:02 <AndyS> <triple-pattern> ? 15:04:31 <AxelPolleres> q+ 15:04:35 <LeeF> ack AxelPolleres 15:04:37 <AndyS> q+ 15:05:07 <KjetilK> Zakim, mute me 15:05:09 <Zakim> KjetilK should now be muted 15:05:12 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: include short change log of what's changed since SPARQL Protocol REC 15:06:37 <AndyS> LeeF: 2.2.1.13 - flag for removal 15:06:39 <LeeF> + flag XML input example for removal 15:06:44 <LeeF> + add placeholder for update examples 15:06:49 <LeeF> + change log from REC 15:06:53 <LeeF> + xml-spec issues 15:07:04 <LeeF> + previous editors 15:07:24 <AndyS> AndyS: didn't notice 2.2.1.13 (SPARQL/X usage) last time 15:10:41 <LeeF> + clarify text at beginning of section 2 to summarize what the protocol is all about (queries over HTTP GET and POST, updates over HTTP POST) 15:12:25 <LeeF> PROPOSED: To publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/protocol-1.1/ as FPWD at sparql11-protocol modulo list of changes noted in SPARQL WG 2009-10-13 meeting and modulo Axel's approval 15:12:38 <bglimm> +1 15:12:44 <ivanh> +1 15:12:59 <LeeF> RESOLVED: To publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/protocol-1.1/ as FPWD at sparql11-protocol modulo list of changes noted in SPARQL WG 2009-10-13 meeting and modulo Axel's approval, no abstentions or objections 15:13:05 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to check changes on http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/protocol-1.1/ as� agreed on and mail approval, if satisfied 15:13:05 <trackbot> Could not create new action (failed to parse response from server) - please contact sysreq with the details of what happened. 15:13:05 <trackbot> Could not create new action (unparseable data in server response: local variable 'd' referenced before assignment) - please contact sysreq with the details of what happened. 15:13:14 <AndyS> subtopic: SPARQL/service description 15:13:17 <kasei> Zakim, unmute me 15:13:17 <Zakim> kasei should no longer be muted 15:13:19 <LeeF> is http://kasei.us/2009/09/sparql/sd.txt still the latest version? 15:13:38 <AndyS> kasei: no CVS access yet 15:14:07 <AndyS> LeeF: modulo putting into W3C format 15:14:48 <AndyS> kasei: superproperty for feature; subproperty of feature language (query and/or update) 15:15:04 <AndyS> ... missing URIs for actual names 15:16:06 <AndyS> LeeF: w3c resource availablity for publishing? 15:16:40 <bglimm> yes 15:16:51 <AndyS> ivanh: heard CVS access problems 15:16:58 <bglimm> I can conect to the CVS server, but I cannot access the relevant folde 15:16:59 <bglimm> r 15:17:17 <bglimm> I contacted Eric, but haven't heard from him 15:17:29 <kasei> gwilliam 15:17:35 <bglimm> BGlimm 15:18:00 <bglimm> bglimm 15:18:05 <bglimm> it is all lowercase 15:18:48 <AndyS> LeeF: publication window for ISWC? 15:19:05 <AndyS> ivanh: ISWC. Can publish late next week. 15:19:19 <kasei> Zakim, mute me 15:19:19 <Zakim> kasei should now be muted 15:19:42 <kasei> i'd prefer not abbreviating 15:19:55 <bglimm> I am happy with the full thing 15:20:01 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Publish http://kasei.us/2009/09/sparql/sd.txt as FPWD at sparql11-service-description moduloe putting in W3C format 15:20:12 <bglimm> +1 15:20:13 <KjetilK> +1 15:20:17 <ivanh> +1 15:20:23 <AxelPolleres> +1 15:20:26 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Publish http://kasei.us/2009/09/sparql/sd.txt as FPWD at sparql11-service-description moduloe putting in W3C format, no abstentions or objections 15:21:56 <bglimm> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Design:EntailmentRegimes 15:22:09 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me 15:22:09 <Zakim> bglimm should no longer be muted 15:22:50 <ivanh> q+ 15:22:57 <AndyS> q- 15:23:04 <LeeF> ack AndyS 15:23:32 <bglimm> yes 15:23:36 <bglimm> I agree 15:23:54 <AndyS> AndyS; entailment RDF, RDFS are OK for FPWD 15:23:57 <AndyS> AndyS: entailment RDF, RDFS are OK for FPWD 15:23:59 <LeeF> ack ivan 15:24:11 <AndyS> ... not sections on syntax or extensions 15:24:28 <AndyS> ... lots of discussion that may imply things that are not planned 15:24:42 <bglimm> OWL should also be taken out/left only as a header 15:24:44 <AndyS> ivanh: needs adapting to W3C style. 15:24:49 <AndyS> q+ 15:25:40 <AndyS> ack AndyS 15:26:25 <bglimm> Are there other reviewers than Ivan? 15:26:25 <LeeF> PROPOSED: To publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Design:EntailmentRegimes as FPWD at sparql11-entailment modulo putting it in W3C format, and removing details of regimes other than RDF and RDFS and removing Alternative Syntax and Extensions sections 15:27:05 <AxelPolleres> shall we also set someone to approve? 15:27:37 <AxelPolleres> +1 15:27:41 <ivanh> +1 15:27:44 <bglimm> CAn I say +1 as the editor? 15:27:44 <Zakim> -KjetilK 15:27:53 <bglimm> +1 15:28:06 <LeeF> RESOLVED: To publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Design:EntailmentRegimes as FPWD at sparql11-entailment modulo putting it in W3C format, and removing details of regimes other than RDF and RDFS and removing Alternative Syntax and Extensions sections, no abstentions or objections 15:28:10 <ivanh> q+ 15:28:24 <ivanh> ack ivanh 15:28:40 <LeeF> ACTION: Lee to coordinate with Axel, ivanh, Eric, and the editors to publish our documents 15:28:40 <trackbot> Created ACTION-123 - Coordinate with Axel, ivanh, Eric, and the editors to publish our documents [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2009-10-20]. # SPECIAL MARKER FOR CHATSYNC. 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