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13:59:30 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute
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13:59:31 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
13:59:31 <trackbot> Date: 14 August 2012
13:59:40 <AxelPolleres> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2012-08-14
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14:00:18 <AndyS> zakim, ??P7 is me
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14:00:18 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
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14:00:26 <Zakim> +sandro
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14:01:09 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, aaaa might be me
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14:01:09 <Zakim> I don't understand 'aaaa might be me', AxelPolleres
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14:01:20 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, aaaa is me
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14:01:31 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?
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14:01:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see kasei, AndyS, sandro, AxelPolleres, pgearon
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14:01:55 <AxelPolleres> scribe: sandro
(Scribe set to Sandro Hawke)
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14:03:03 <Zakim> +chimezie
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14:03:24 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2012-08-14
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2012-08-14 ←
14:03:36 <AxelPolleres> topic: admin
14:03:46 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-08-07
PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-08-07 ←
14:04:20 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-08-07
RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-08-07 ←
14:05:02 <AxelPolleres> Mat can scribe next week
Axel Polleres: Matt can scribe next week ←
14:05:17 <sandro> s/Mat/Matt/
14:05:28 <sandro> topic: RDF Liaison
14:05:32 <sandro> axel: mail from Andy
Axel Polleres: mail from Andy ←
14:05:34 <AxelPolleres> topic: RDF liasion
14:05:40 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JulSep/0112.html
Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JulSep/0112.html ←
14:05:42 <sandro> andy: I think the writeup is reasonably complete
Andy Seaborne: I think the writeup is reasonably complete ←
14:06:08 <sandro> axel: Our main thing: we don't want to change anything at this point.
Axel Polleres: Our main thing: we don't want to change anything at this point. ←
14:06:20 <AndyS> See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JulSep/0112.html
Andy Seaborne: See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JulSep/0112.html ←
14:06:43 <sandro> andy: no formal proposals on the table yet
Andy Seaborne: no formal proposals on the table yet ←
14:07:16 <sandro> AxelPolleres: From out side, we'd like it in line with Property Path syntax, but otherwise there's nothing for us to say/do
Axel Polleres: From out side, we'd like it in line with Property Path syntax, but otherwise there's nothing for us to say/do ←
14:07:27 <sandro> AndyS: THe RDF WG isn't seeking comment at this stage.
Andy Seaborne: THe RDF WG isn't seeking comment at this stage. ←
14:07:43 <AxelPolleres> topic: Finish Protocol validator / test suite
14:07:54 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JulSep/0113.html
Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JulSep/0113.html ←
14:08:51 <Zakim> +??P9
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14:08:55 <cbuilara> zakim, ??P9 is me
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14:08:55 <Zakim> +cbuilara; got it
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14:08:57 <AxelPolleres> https://github.com/kasei/sparql11-protocolvalidator
Axel Polleres: https://github.com/kasei/sparql11-protocolvalidator ←
14:09:01 <sandro> kasei: I think only Lee and I have looked at these tests so far.
Gregory Williams: I think only Lee and I have looked at these tests so far. ←
14:09:28 <cbuilara> I can do it
Carlos Buil Aranda: I can do it ←
14:10:06 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: carlos to look over protocol test cases for completeness
ACTION: carlos to look over protocol test cases for completeness ←
14:10:06 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - carlos
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14:10:48 <sandro> <kasei> http://kasei.us/2009/09/sparql/protocol_validator.cgi is the new url
<kasei> http://kasei.us/2009/09/sparql/protocol_validator.cgi is the new url ←
14:10:48 <sandro> <kasei> so maybe something like http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/protocol_validator ?
<kasei> so maybe something like http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/protocol_validator ? ←
14:11:22 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: cbuilara to look over protocol test cases for completeness
ACTION: cbuilara to look over protocol test cases for completeness ←
14:11:22 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - cbuilara
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14:11:49 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: axel to check action for carlos (cbuilara to look over protocol test cases for completeness)
ACTION: axel to check action for carlos (cbuilara to look over protocol test cases for completeness) ←
14:11:49 <trackbot> Created ACTION-668 - Check action for carlos (cbuilara to look over protocol test cases for completeness) [on Axel Polleres - due 2012-08-21].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-668 - Check action for carlos (cbuilara to look over protocol test cases for completeness) [on Axel Polleres - due 2012-08-21]. ←
14:12:12 <sandro> action: carlos to look over protocol test cases for completeness
ACTION: carlos to look over protocol test cases for completeness ←
14:12:12 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - carlos
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14:12:19 <cbuilara> zakim, mute me
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14:12:32 <sandro> Oh, right -- Carlos isn't in the WG right now.
Oh, right -- Carlos isn't in the WG right now. ←
14:13:09 <sandro> kasei: Fuseki not that close to passing right now
Gregory Williams: Fuseki not that close to passing right now ←
14:13:13 <AxelPolleres> sandro, yeah sent you a mail on that... let's take this offline with carlos
Axel Polleres: sandro, yeah sent you a mail on that... let's take this offline with carlos ←
14:13:35 <sandro> AxelPolleres, I send email to Carlos and cc'd you 25 minutes ago.
AxelPolleres, I send email to Carlos and cc'd you 25 minutes ago. ←
14:14:08 <sandro> AndyS: Updates should be okay. If there's a published dataset, ... something ... default graph URI.
Andy Seaborne: Updates should be okay. If there's a published dataset, ... something ... default graph URI. ←
14:14:21 <sandro> kasei: The protocol has ways you can rename graphs to be the defautl graph for matching
Gregory Williams: The protocol has ways you can rename graphs to be the defautl graph for matching ←
14:14:26 <sandro> AndyS: That stuff should work.
Andy Seaborne: That stuff should work. ←
14:14:50 <sandro> kasei: I'll send you details and lets sort this out
Gregory Williams: I'll send you details and lets sort this out ←
14:14:54 <sandro> AndyS: okay.
Andy Seaborne: okay. ←
14:15:23 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me
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14:15:32 <AxelPolleres> topic: update implementations
14:15:40 <sandro> axel: Entailment Regimes?
Axel Polleres: Entailment Regimes? ←
14:15:46 <sandro> chimezie: I don't have an update on that
Chimezie Ogbuji: I don't have an entailment on that ←
14:15:47 <AxelPolleres> s/update/entailment/
14:16:42 <AxelPolleres> sandro: mentioned this in SWCG meeting last week... Ian horrocks offered to ping potential implementers for DL regimes.
Sandro Hawke: mentioned this in SWCG meeting last week... Ian horrocks offered to ping potential implementers for DL regimes. [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
14:16:59 <AxelPolleres> we should ping thre RIF mailinglist...
Axel Polleres: we should ping thre RIF mailinglist... ←
14:17:06 <sandro> action: sandro ping RIF folks on ER
ACTION: sandro ping RIF folks on ER ←
14:17:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-669 - Ping RIF folks on ER [on Sandro Hawke - due 2012-08-21].
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14:17:17 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: sandro to ping RIF WG mailinglist on SPARQL/RIF implementations.
ACTION: sandro to ping RIF WG mailinglist on SPARQL/RIF implementations. ←
14:17:17 <trackbot> Created ACTION-670 - Ping RIF WG mailinglist on SPARQL/RIF implementations. [on Sandro Hawke - due 2012-08-21].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-670 - Ping RIF WG mailinglist on SPARQL/RIF implementations. [on Sandro Hawke - due 2012-08-21]. ←
14:17:31 <sandro> close aciton-5
close aciton-5 ←
14:17:38 <sandro> close action-5
14:17:38 <trackbot> ACTION-5 Add security issues to query by reference feature closed
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14:17:49 <AxelPolleres> topic: comments
14:17:53 <sandro> close action-669
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14:17:53 <trackbot> ACTION-669 Ping RIF folks on ER closed
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14:18:08 <sandro> axel: starting with older comments
Axel Polleres: starting with older comments ←
14:18:18 <AxelPolleres> comments http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments
Axel Polleres: comments http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments ←
14:18:35 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JulSep/0114.html
Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JulSep/0114.html ←
14:19:07 <sandro> James Leigh. Sandro wanted to look into that....
James Leigh. Sandro wanted to look into that.... ←
14:19:40 <sandro> axel: Old one from Jeremy Carroll, re graph protocol, URI to IRI
Axel Polleres: Old one from Jeremy Carroll, re graph protocol, URI to IRI ←
14:19:48 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me
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14:19:50 <sandro> axel: Paragraph gone, outdated.
Axel Polleres: Paragraph gone, outdated. ←
14:19:59 <sandro> chimezie: I just need to ping Jeremy
Chimezie Ogbuji: I just need to ping Jeremy ←
14:20:24 <sandro> axel: kk-13
Axel Polleres: kk-13 ←
14:20:46 <sandro> axel: I think it's ready to send.
Axel Polleres: I think it's ready to send. ←
14:20:52 <sandro> chimezie: sent and ack'd.
Chimezie Ogbuji: sent and ack'd. ←
14:20:59 <sandro> chimezie: I just updated the wiki now.
Chimezie Ogbuji: I just updated the wiki now. ←
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14:21:52 <sandro> axel: Long response draft to Dave Becket, outdated, short one should do. I'll ping Steve
Axel Polleres: Long response draft to Dave Becket, outdated, short one should do. I'll ping Steve ←
14:22:34 <sandro> andy: that one is sent
Andy Seaborne: that one is sent ←
14:22:37 <sandro> axel: Ah right.
Axel Polleres: Ah right. ←
14:23:33 <sandro> axel: Comments on PP's from Nick Humphrey
Axel Polleres: Comments on PP's from Nick Humphrey ←
14:24:02 <sandro> axel: Inform reply from Andy, er, Steve, saying this can be done with Aggregrate.
Axel Polleres: Inform reply from Andy, er, Steve, saying this can be done with Aggregrate. ←
14:24:15 <sandro> andy: Expept it says not a formal response. :-)
Andy Seaborne: Expept it says not a formal response. :-) ←
14:24:32 <sandro> axel: I'll ping Nick on formal response status.
Axel Polleres: I'll ping Nick on formal response status. ←
14:24:57 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: axel to ping Nick on whether NH-5 needs a formal response
ACTION: axel to ping Nick on whether NH-5 needs a formal response ←
14:24:57 <trackbot> Created ACTION-671 - Ping Nick on whether NH-5 needs a formal response [on Axel Polleres - due 2012-08-21].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-671 - Ping Nick on whether NH-5 needs a formal response [on Axel Polleres - due 2012-08-21]. ←
14:25:00 <sandro> AndyS: He's just looking at PP syntax, not having read some bits elsewhere in the spec.
Andy Seaborne: He's just looking at PP syntax, not having read some bits elsewhere in the spec. ←
14:25:19 <sandro> AndyS: I'll do NH-4
Andy Seaborne: I'll do NH-4 ←
14:26:13 <sandro> axel: Some comments on client semantics. Maybe reply to them together
Axel Polleres: Some comments on client semantics. Maybe reply to them together ←
14:26:46 <AxelPolleres> BIND in combination with other graph patterns...
Axel Polleres: BIND in combination with other graph patterns... ←
14:26:47 <sandro> andy: I looked. They only consider part of the problem space. Their case always has bind next to something else, not a BGP. This needs some thought.
Andy Seaborne: I looked. They only consider part of the problem space. Their case always has bind next to something else, not a BGP. This needs some thought. ←
14:27:13 <AxelPolleres> looks like these queries need a subselect.
Axel Polleres: looks like these queries need a subselect. ←
14:27:19 <sandro> andy: Perhaps a different form of query, using a subselect, would help.
Andy Seaborne: Perhaps a different form of query, using a subselect, would help. ←
14:27:44 <sandro> axel: Do we need to change something?
Axel Polleres: Do we need to change something? ←
14:28:39 <sandro> andy: Holger's point could maybe be seen one way, Jeremy's made things a little more contrained.
Andy Seaborne: Holger's point could maybe be seen one way, Jeremy's made things a little more contrained. ←
14:31:20 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2012Aug/0011.html
Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2012Aug/0011.html ←
14:31:39 <sandro> axel: implies std behavior of default graph, which isnt how it works, I think
Axel Polleres: implies std behavior of default graph, which isnt how it works, I think ←
14:32:15 <sandro> axel: I'll try to find out what he wants
Axel Polleres: I'll try to find out what he wants ←
14:32:27 <sandro> andy: lets consider it as a couple of different parts
Andy Seaborne: lets consider it as a couple of different parts ←
14:33:11 <sandro> andy: First part usual approach would be not using the word graph. FROM DEFAULT, FROM <...> . In the past we've said if you want that, put your dg in with a name, too.
Andy Seaborne: First part usual approach would be not using the word graph. FROM DEFAULT, FROM <...> . In the past we've said if you want that, put your dg in with a name, too. ←
14:33:52 <sandro> andy: It's not a perfect solution, true
Andy Seaborne: It's not a perfect solution, true ←
14:34:23 <sandro> andy: If you're using multipl FROMs you're asking for a kind of merge. You can use GRAPH for that, although it's not pretty.
Andy Seaborne: If you're using multipl FROMs you're asking for a kind of merge. You can use GRAPH for that, although it's not pretty. ←
14:34:50 <AxelPolleres> you can use GRAPH for that, all above that would be Composite_Dataset (cf. posponed features)?
Axel Polleres: you can use GRAPH for that, all above that would be Composite_Dataset (cf. posponed features)? ←
14:35:14 <sandro> AndyS: Greg, does your system offer a choice about what the dg is?
Andy Seaborne: Greg, does your system offer a choice about what the dg is? ←
14:35:29 <sandro> kasei: No, I've never offered a union default
Gregory Williams: No, I've never offered a union default ←
14:35:47 <sandro> AndyS: Last thing - year Compisite_Dataset feature. I don't think it's trivial.
Andy Seaborne: Last thing - year Compisite_Dataset feature. I don't think it's trivial. ←
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