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13:58:22 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 77277
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13:58:22 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
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13:58:23 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
13:58:23 <trackbot> Date: 26 June 2012
13:58:25 <LeeF> zakim, this will be SPARQL
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, this will be SPARQL ←
13:58:25 <Zakim> ok, LeeF; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
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13:58:27 <LeeF> Chair: LeeF
13:58:29 <LeeF> regrets: chimezie
13:59:25 <LeeF> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012AprJun/0255.html
13:59:32 <LeeF> regrets: chimezie, carlos
13:59:43 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has now started
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14:00:37 <Zakim> +Lee_Feigenbaum
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14:00:40 <Zakim> +sandro
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14:00:58 <LeeF> zakim, Lee_Feigenbaum is me
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14:00:58 <Zakim> +LeeF; got it
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14:04:47 <Zakim> +??P16
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14:04:54 <AndyS> zakim, ??P16 is me
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14:05:39 <Zakim> +pgearon
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14:06:09 <AndyS> zakim, who is on the phone?
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14:06:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see kasei, LeeF, sandro, MattPerry, AndyS, pgearon
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14:06:47 <AxelPolleres> can scribe
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14:06:55 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, aabb is me
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14:06:55 <Zakim> +AxelPolleres; got it
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14:07:00 <AxelPolleres> scribe: AxelPolleres
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14:07:01 <Zakim> +Arthur
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14:07:22 <LeeF> topic: Admin
14:07:53 <LeeF> Next meeting is Tuesday, 2012 Jul 3
Lee Feigenbaum: Next meeting is Tuesday, 2012 Jul 3 ←
14:08:19 <LeeF> regrets next week: pgearon?
Lee Feigenbaum: regrets next week: pgearon? ←
14:08:24 <AxelPolleres> lee: regrets anyone fornext week?
Lee Feigenbaum: regrets anyone fornext week? ←
14:08:24 <AxelPolleres> paul: possible regrets for next week
Paul Gearon: possible regrets for next week ←
14:08:41 <LeeF> topic: Approve new MINUS tests
14:09:25 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Approve :full-minuend and :partial-minuend
PROPOSED: Approve :full-minuend and :partial-minuend ←
14:09:56 <AxelPolleres> must be somewheree here: www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/
must be somewheree here: www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/ ←
14:10:52 <kasei> I pass them, but haven't actually looked at the tests...
Gregory Williams: I pass them, but haven't actually looked at the tests... ←
14:10:54 <AxelPolleres> www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/negation
www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/negation ←
14:11:18 <AndyS> +1
Andy Seaborne: +1 ←
14:11:20 <pgearon> seconded
Paul Gearon: seconded ←
14:11:23 <pgearon> +!
Paul Gearon: +! ←
14:11:28 <pgearon> +1
Paul Gearon: +1 ←
14:11:37 <AxelPolleres> which tests exactly in the manifest did we approve now? :-)
which tests exactly in the manifest did we approve now? :-) ←
14:11:37 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Approve :full-minuend and :partial-minuend
RESOLVED: Approve :full-minuend and :partial-minuend ←
14:11:38 <Arthur> +1
Arthur Keen: +1 ←
14:11:56 <AxelPolleres> ok.
ok. ←
14:12:08 <pgearon> yes to toggling the approval bit
Paul Gearon: yes to toggling the approval bit ←
14:12:31 <LeeF> ACTION: Paul to mark the *-minuend tests as approved
ACTION: Paul to mark the *-minuend tests as approved ←
14:12:31 <trackbot> Created ACTION-650 - Mark the *-minuend tests as approved [on Paul Gearon - due 2012-07-03].
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14:12:48 <LeeF> topic: Syntax tests
14:13:03 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/syntax-query/
http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/syntax-query/ ←
14:13:08 <LeeF> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012AprJun/0251.html
Lee Feigenbaum: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012AprJun/0251.html ←
14:14:15 <LeeF> >> Positive: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/syntax-query/syntax-SELECTscope1.rq
Lee Feigenbaum: >> Positive: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/syntax-query/syntax-SELECTscope1.rq ←
14:14:15 <LeeF> >> Negative: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/syntax-query/syntax-SELECTscope2.rq
Lee Feigenbaum: >> Negative: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/syntax-query/syntax-SELECTscope2.rq ←
14:14:15 <LeeF> >> Positive: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/syntax-query/syntax-SELECTscope3.rq
Lee Feigenbaum: >> Positive: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/syntax-query/syntax-SELECTscope3.rq ←
14:16:51 <kasei> I pass the three syntax-SELECTscope tests as well.
Gregory Williams: I pass the three syntax-SELECTscope tests as well. ←
14:17:11 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Approve http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/syntax-query/syntax-SELECTscope{1,2,3}.rq
PROPOSED: Approve http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/syntax-query/syntax-SELECTscope{1,2,3}.rq ←
14:17:25 <AxelPolleres> Lee: let's approve the SELECTscope test cases (greg and andy pass them)
Lee Feigenbaum: let's approve the SELECTscope test cases (greg and andy pass them) ←
14:17:31 <AxelPolleres> +1
+1 ←
14:17:38 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Approve http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/syntax-query/syntax-SELECTscope{1,2,3}.rq
RESOLVED: Approve http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/syntax-query/syntax-SELECTscope{1,2,3}.rq ←
14:17:48 <AndyS> I see 13 unapproved tests in the syntax-query area. 3 down => 10
Andy Seaborne: I see 13 unapproved tests in the syntax-query area. 3 down => 10 ←
14:18:03 <Zakim> +??P28
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14:18:11 <bglimm> Zakim, ??P28 is me
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14:18:15 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
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14:18:15 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted
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14:19:56 <AndyS> --------------------------------------
Andy Seaborne: -------------------------------------- ←
14:19:57 <AndyS> | name |
Andy Seaborne: | name | ←
14:19:57 <AndyS> ======================================
Andy Seaborne: ====================================== ←
14:19:57 <AndyS> | "syntax-BINDscope8.rq" |
Andy Seaborne: | "syntax-BINDscope8.rq" | ←
14:19:57 <AndyS> | "syntax-BINDscope4.rq" |
Andy Seaborne: | "syntax-BINDscope4.rq" | ←
14:19:58 <AndyS> | "syntax-BINDscope6.rq" |
Andy Seaborne: | "syntax-BINDscope6.rq" | ←
14:19:59 <AndyS> | "syntax-BINDscope2.rq" |
Andy Seaborne: | "syntax-BINDscope2.rq" | ←
14:20:01 <AndyS> | "syntax-BINDscope5.rq" |
Andy Seaborne: | "syntax-BINDscope5.rq" | ←
14:20:03 <AndyS> | "syntax-BINDscope3.rq" |
Andy Seaborne: | "syntax-BINDscope3.rq" | ←
14:20:04 <AxelPolleres> Lee: shall we discuss/approve now, or shall we wait until the spec on BIND/SCOPE is finished?
Lee Feigenbaum: shall we discuss/approve now, or shall we wait until the spec on BIND/SCOPE is finished? ←
14:20:06 <AndyS> | "PrefixName with unescaped colons" |
Andy Seaborne: | "PrefixName with unescaped colons" | ←
14:20:06 <Zakim> -pgearon
Zakim IRC Bot: -pgearon ←
14:20:07 <AndyS> | "syntax-SELECTscope2" |
Andy Seaborne: | "syntax-SELECTscope2" | ←
14:20:09 <AndyS> | "syntax-BINDscope1.rq" |
Andy Seaborne: | "syntax-BINDscope1.rq" | ←
14:20:11 <AndyS> | "syntax-SELECTscope3.rq" |
Andy Seaborne: | "syntax-SELECTscope3.rq" | ←
14:20:14 <AndyS> | "syntax-SELECTscope1.rq" |
Andy Seaborne: | "syntax-SELECTscope1.rq" | ←
14:20:15 <AndyS> | "syntax-propertyPaths-01.rq" |
Andy Seaborne: | "syntax-propertyPaths-01.rq" | ←
14:20:16 <AxelPolleres> Andy: think best to wait.
Andy Seaborne: think best to wait. ←
14:20:17 <AndyS> | "syntax-BINDscope7.rq" |
Andy Seaborne: | "syntax-BINDscope7.rq" | ←
14:20:19 <AndyS> --------------------------------------
Andy Seaborne: -------------------------------------- ←
14:20:42 <AxelPolleres> Lee: let's look at the non-BIND ones for now.
Lee Feigenbaum: let's look at the non-BIND ones for now. ←
14:21:02 <kasei> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/implementations/ also indicates the unapproved tests (~1 week old)
Gregory Williams: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/implementations/ also indicates the unapproved tests (~1 week old) ←
14:22:45 <AndyS> SELECT ?x ?name
Andy Seaborne: SELECT ?x ?name ←
14:22:45 <AndyS> {
Andy Seaborne: { ←
14:22:45 <AndyS> ?x mf:name ?name ;
Andy Seaborne: ?x mf:name ?name ; ←
14:22:45 <AndyS> dawgt:approval dawgt:NotClassified .
Andy Seaborne: dawgt:approval dawgt:NotClassified . ←
14:22:45 <AndyS> }
Andy Seaborne: } ←
14:23:22 <kasei> I was able to pass that test somehow...
Gregory Williams: I was able to pass that test somehow... ←
14:23:26 <AndyS> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Andy Seaborne: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ←
14:23:26 <AndyS> | x | name |
Andy Seaborne: | x | name | ←
14:23:26 <AndyS> ===============================================================================================================================
Andy Seaborne: =============================================================================================================================== ←
14:23:26 <AndyS> | <http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/syntax-query/manifest#test_62> | "syntax-BINDscope8.rq" |
Andy Seaborne: | <http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/syntax-query/manifest#test_62> | "syntax-BINDscope8.rq" | ←
14:23:29 <AndyS> | <http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/syntax-query/manifest#test_58> | "syntax-BINDscope4.rq" |
Andy Seaborne: | <http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/syntax-query/manifest#test_58> | "syntax-BINDscope4.rq" | ←
14:23:32 <AndyS> | <http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/syntax-query/manifest#test_60> | "syntax-BINDscope6.rq" |
Andy Seaborne: | <http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/syntax-query/manifest#test_60> | "syntax-BINDscope6.rq" | ←
14:23:35 <AndyS> | <http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/syntax-query/manifest#test_56> | "syntax-BINDscope2.rq" |
Andy Seaborne: | <http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/syntax-query/manifest#test_56> | "syntax-BINDscope2.rq" | ←
14:23:39 <AndyS> | <http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/syntax-query/manifest#test_59> | "syntax-BINDscope5.rq" |
Andy Seaborne: | <http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/syntax-query/manifest#test_59> | "syntax-BINDscope5.rq" | ←
14:23:41 <AndyS> | <http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/syntax-query/manifest#test_57> | "syntax-BINDscope3.rq" |
Andy Seaborne: | <http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/syntax-query/manifest#test_57> | "syntax-BINDscope3.rq" | ←
14:23:44 <AndyS> | <http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/syntax-query/manifest#test_54> | "PrefixName with unescaped colons" |
Andy Seaborne: | <http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/syntax-query/manifest#test_54> | "PrefixName with unescaped colons" | ←
14:23:47 <AndyS> | <http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/syntax-query/manifest#test_65> | "syntax-SELECTscope2" |
Andy Seaborne: | <http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/syntax-query/manifest#test_65> | "syntax-SELECTscope2" | ←
14:23:50 <AndyS> | <http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/syntax-query/manifest#test_55> | "syntax-BINDscope1.rq" |
Andy Seaborne: | <http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/syntax-query/manifest#test_55> | "syntax-BINDscope1.rq" | ←
14:23:53 <AndyS> | <http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/syntax-query/manifest#test_66> | "syntax-SELECTscope3.rq" |
Andy Seaborne: | <http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/syntax-query/manifest#test_66> | "syntax-SELECTscope3.rq" | ←
14:23:56 <AndyS> | <http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/syntax-query/manifest#test_64> | "syntax-SELECTscope1.rq" |
Andy Seaborne: | <http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/syntax-query/manifest#test_64> | "syntax-SELECTscope1.rq" | ←
14:23:59 <AndyS> | <http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/syntax-query/manifest#test_63> | "syntax-propertyPaths-01.rq" |
Andy Seaborne: | <http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/syntax-query/manifest#test_63> | "syntax-propertyPaths-01.rq" | ←
14:24:02 <AndyS> | <http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/syntax-query/manifest#test_61> | "syntax-BINDscope7.rq" |
Andy Seaborne: | <http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/syntax-query/manifest#test_61> | "syntax-BINDscope7.rq" | ←
14:24:05 <AndyS> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Andy Seaborne: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ←
14:26:10 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Approve <http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/syntax-query/manifest#test_63> and <http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/syntax-query/manifest#test_54>
PROPOSED: Approve <http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/syntax-query/manifest#test_63> and <http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/syntax-query/manifest#test_54> ←
14:26:19 <kasei> +1
Gregory Williams: +1 ←
14:26:34 <AndyS> +1
Andy Seaborne: +1 ←
14:26:36 <Zakim> + +1.540.841.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.540.841.aacc ←
14:26:38 <AxelPolleres> +1
+1 ←
14:27:08 <bglimm> 0 (didn't look at the tests yet)
Birte Glimm: 0 (didn't look at the tests yet) ←
14:27:09 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/syntax-query/syntax-propertyPaths-01.rq
http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/syntax-query/syntax-propertyPaths-01.rq ←
14:27:12 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Approve <http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/syntax-query/manifest#test_63> and <http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/syntax-query/manifest#test_54>
RESOLVED: Approve <http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/syntax-query/manifest#test_63> and <http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/syntax-query/manifest#test_54> ←
14:27:46 <AxelPolleres> looks fine on CVS, but we don't see http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/syntax-query/syntax-propertyPaths-01.rq on the Web
looks fine on CVS, but we don't see http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/syntax-query/syntax-propertyPaths-01.rq on the Web ←
14:27:58 <AxelPolleres> Lee: sandro, any idea?
Lee Feigenbaum: sandro, any idea? ←
14:28:46 <AxelPolleres> sandro: fixed.
Sandro Hawke: fixed. ←
14:29:20 <AxelPolleres> ... there are some others with permission problems.
... there are some others with permission problems. ←
14:29:26 <AxelPolleres> sandro: will fix.
Sandro Hawke: will fix. ←
14:30:21 <AxelPolleres> ... all on the syntax-query file is now readable again.
... all on the syntax-query file is now readable again. ←
14:30:40 <LeeF> topic: SERVICE SILENT
14:30:45 <LeeF> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012AprJun/0248.html
Lee Feigenbaum: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012AprJun/0248.html ←
14:31:45 <AxelPolleres> Lee: SERVICE keyword takes SILENT which means that SILENT returns an empty result with no bindings... question whether it should return no rows.
Lee Feigenbaum: SERVICE keyword takes SILENT which means that SILENT returns an empty result with no bindings... question whether it should return no rows. ←
14:32:08 <AndyS> The UC is going to several places: { SERVICE SILENT <s1> { ... } } UNION { SERVICE SILENT <s2> { ... } } -- adding the empty row was confusing
Andy Seaborne: The UC is going to several places: { SERVICE SILENT <s1> { ... } } UNION { SERVICE SILENT <s2> { ... } } -- adding the empty row was confusing ←
14:32:57 <AndyS> { SERVICE <S> { ....} ?s ?p ?o }
Andy Seaborne: { SERVICE <S> { ....} ?s ?p ?o } ←
14:33:23 <AxelPolleres> Andy: when merging UNIONs of SERVICE calls, getting nothing would be preferable.
Andy Seaborne: when merging UNIONs of SERVICE calls, getting nothing would be preferable. ←
14:34:18 <AxelPolleres> greg: could be fixed with FILTER( bound (... ))
Gregory Williams: could be fixed with FILTER( bound (... )) ←
14:35:37 <AxelPolleres> Lee: Anybody has a preference?
Lee Feigenbaum: Anybody has a preference? ←
14:35:45 <bglimm> no
Birte Glimm: no ←
14:35:48 <AxelPolleres> Greg: whatever gets us to rec faster.
Gregory Williams: whatever gets us to rec faster. ←
14:36:00 <AxelPolleres> +1 to greg
+1 to greg ←
14:36:06 <bglimm> +1 also to greg
Birte Glimm: +1 also to greg ←
14:36:14 <AndyS> I don't use SERVICE currently so hard to have a solid opinion.
Andy Seaborne: I don't use SERVICE currently so hard to have a solid opinion. ←
14:37:11 <AxelPolleres> q+ to try to sum up my understanding...
q+ to try to sum up my understanding... ←
14:37:59 <LeeF> ack AxelPolleres
Lee Feigenbaum: ack AxelPolleres ←
14:37:59 <Zakim> AxelPolleres, you wanted to try to sum up my understanding...
Zakim IRC Bot: AxelPolleres, you wanted to try to sum up my understanding... ←
14:39:51 <LeeF> Consensus of group currently is to keep the design as is (1 row, no bindings)
Lee Feigenbaum: Consensus of group currently is to keep the design as is (1 row, no bindings) ←
14:39:59 <LeeF> topic: Format of protocol error bodies
14:40:00 <AxelPolleres> Andy: I can take it back to the people who came up with it originally and ask if they have arguments why an alt design would be much better
Andy Seaborne: I can take it back to the people who came up with it originally and ask if they have arguments why an alt design would be much better ←
14:40:07 <AndyS> ACTION Andy: reflect WG discussion on SERVICE SILENT to original users and see what the response is.
Andy Seaborne: ACTION Andy: reflect WG discussion on SERVICE SILENT to original users and see what the response is. ←
14:40:07 <trackbot> Created ACTION-651 - Reflect WG discussion on SERVICE SILENT to original users and see what the response is. [on Andy Seaborne - due 2012-07-03].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-651 - Reflect WG discussion on SERVICE SILENT to original users and see what the response is. [on Andy Seaborne - due 2012-07-03]. ←
14:40:16 <LeeF> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012AprJun/0239.html
Lee Feigenbaum: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012AprJun/0239.html ←
14:40:58 <AxelPolleres> Lee: origins back to a comment fomr Richard Cyganiak, when we still had WSDL.
Lee Feigenbaum: origins back to a comment fomr Richard Cyganiak, when we still had WSDL. ←
14:41:44 <AxelPolleres> ... WSDL allows XML element in response to provide errors for protocol requests, less clear for pure HTTP
... WSDL allows XML element in response to provide errors for protocol requests, less clear for pure HTTP ←
14:42:04 <AndyS> q+ to ask if any other system/community/?? who do provide a machine readable format and it's acted on by machine?
Andy Seaborne: q+ to ask if any other system/community/?? who do provide a machine readable format and it's acted on by machine? ←
14:43:39 <AxelPolleres> ... greg and Lee talked this over and agreed to leave it underspecified since threre is no clear agreed path forward at the moment.
... greg and Lee talked this over and agreed to leave it underspecified since threre is no clear agreed path forward at the moment. ←
14:43:41 <LeeF> ack AndyS
Lee Feigenbaum: ack AndyS ←
14:43:41 <Zakim> AndyS, you wanted to ask if any other system/community/?? who do provide a machine readable format and it's acted on by machine?
Zakim IRC Bot: AndyS, you wanted to ask if any other system/community/?? who do provide a machine readable format and it's acted on by machine? ←
14:45:11 <LeeF> AndyS: APP says "should include a human readable description of the error"
Andy Seaborne: APP says "should include a human readable description of the error" [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
14:45:50 <LeeF> APP says
Lee Feigenbaum: APP says ←
14:45:51 <LeeF> """
Lee Feigenbaum: """ ←
14:45:52 <LeeF> Implementers are asked to note that according to the HTTP
Lee Feigenbaum: Implementers are asked to note that according to the HTTP ←
14:45:52 <LeeF> specification, HTTP 4xx and 5xx response entities SHOULD include a
Lee Feigenbaum: specification, HTTP 4xx and 5xx response entities SHOULD include a ←
14:45:52 <LeeF> human-readable explanation of the error.
Lee Feigenbaum: human-readable explanation of the error. ←
14:45:53 <LeeF> """
Lee Feigenbaum: """ ←
14:45:55 <AndyS> RFC 5023 sec 5.5 -> RFC 2616 -> human readable
Andy Seaborne: RFC 5023 sec 5.5 -> RFC 2616 -> human readable ←
14:46:06 <AxelPolleres> Lee: according to HTTP 5xx and 4xx shoult include human-readable error messages.
Lee Feigenbaum: according to HTTP 5xx and 4xx shoult include human-readable error messages. ←
14:46:23 <AxelPolleres> ... would lean to copy that text in our protocol spec.
... would lean to copy that text in our protocol spec. ←
14:46:52 <kasei> HTTP/1.1 400 Syntax Error
Gregory Williams: HTTP/1.1 400 Syntax Error ←
14:47:04 <AxelPolleres> Greg: HTTP status message could be the machine-readable part of the response.
Gregory Williams: HTTP status message could be the machine-readable part of the response. ←
14:47:34 <AxelPolleres> ... but there aren't really any other examples where machine-readable bodies are used.
... but there aren't really any other examples where machine-readable bodies are used. ←
14:48:55 <sandro> rdfa
Sandro Hawke: rdfa ←
14:49:32 <AndyS> json-ld
Andy Seaborne: json-ld ←
14:50:09 <AxelPolleres> Axel: we could add to future work items
Axel Polleres: we could add to future work items ←
14:50:46 <AxelPolleres> Lee: I don't see this as something we don't do because of lack of time, but because it's just not clear at this point where/whether it's needed.
Lee Feigenbaum: I don't see this as something we don't do because of lack of time, but because it's just not clear at this point where/whether it's needed. ←
14:53:36 <AxelPolleres> Sandro: we could return RDFa or Turtle included in the body of the response.
Sandro Hawke: we could return RDFa or Turtle included in the body of the response. ←
14:55:31 <Zakim> -AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS ←
14:55:34 <AxelPolleres> Lee: current text is fine for me.
Lee Feigenbaum: current text is fine for me. ←
14:55:51 <Zakim> +??P16
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P16 ←
14:55:57 <AndyS> zakim, ??P16 is me
Andy Seaborne: zakim, ??P16 is me ←
14:55:57 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it ←
14:56:21 <AxelPolleres> Lee: consensus that we don't change anything, I will draft a response.
Lee Feigenbaum: consensus that we don't change anything, I will draft a response. ←
14:56:34 <AxelPolleres> ... we will continue where we stand with documents next weeks.
... we will continue where we stand with documents next weeks. ←
14:56:56 <bglimm> fine with me
Birte Glimm: fine with me ←
14:57:03 <AxelPolleres> Lee: dynamic function calls.... propose to not add it and add it to future work items list.
Lee Feigenbaum: dynamic function calls.... propose to not add it and add it to future work items list. ←
14:57:06 <MattPerry> fine with me too
Matthew Perry: fine with me too ←
14:57:12 <LeeF> PROPOSED: SPARQL 1.1 does not include dynamic function calls, we will add it to future items list
PROPOSED: SPARQL 1.1 does not include dynamic function calls, we will add it to future items list ←
14:57:17 <AxelPolleres> Andy: fine with that
Andy Seaborne: fine with that ←
14:57:22 <LeeF> RESOLVED: SPARQL 1.1 does not include dynamic function calls, we will add it to future items list
RESOLVED: SPARQL 1.1 does not include dynamic function calls, we will add it to future items list ←
14:57:24 <AxelPolleres> Greg: fine as well
Gregory Williams: fine as well ←
14:57:44 <LeeF> ACTION: Lee to put dynamicfunction calls on future work list and respond to Rob Vesse's comment
ACTION: Lee to put dynamicfunction calls on future work list and respond to Rob Vesse's comment ←
14:57:44 <trackbot> Created ACTION-652 - Put dynamicfunction calls on future work list and respond to Rob Vesse's comment [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2012-07-03].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-652 - Put dynamicfunction calls on future work list and respond to Rob Vesse's comment [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2012-07-03]. ←
14:57:56 <AxelPolleres> AOB?
AOB? ←
14:58:17 <AxelPolleres> Greg: DBooth comment on dataset construction, seems to need a formal reply.
Gregory Williams: DBooth comment on dataset construction, seems to need a formal reply. ←
14:58:48 <AxelPolleres> Lee: think this is just unchanged from SPARQL1.0.
Lee Feigenbaum: think this is just unchanged from SPARQL1.0. ←
14:58:56 <AxelPolleres> Greg: will draft a rpely.
Gregory Williams: will draft a rpely. ←
14:59:13 <AxelPolleres> ...(not being too keen on doing so)
...(not being too keen on doing so) ←
14:59:24 <AxelPolleres> adjourned.
adjourned. ←
14:59:24 <MattPerry> bye
Matthew Perry: bye ←
14:59:24 <kasei> AxelPolleres, can you give me an action for that?
Gregory Williams: AxelPolleres, can you give me an action for that? ←
14:59:27 <Zakim> -LeeF
Zakim IRC Bot: -LeeF ←
14:59:28 <Zakim> -MattPerry
Zakim IRC Bot: -MattPerry ←
14:59:29 <Zakim> -AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS ←
14:59:30 <Zakim> -sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -sandro ←
14:59:32 <Zakim> - +1.540.841.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.540.841.aacc ←
14:59:34 <Zakim> -bglimm
Zakim IRC Bot: -bglimm ←
14:59:39 <kasei> and close ACTION-638 at the same time?
Gregory Williams: and close ACTION-638 at the same time? ←
14:59:44 <Zakim> -kasei
Zakim IRC Bot: -kasei ←
14:59:47 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: greg to draft a reply on DBooth comment on dataset construction
ACTION: greg to draft a reply on DBooth comment on dataset construction ←
14:59:47 <trackbot> Created ACTION-653 - Draft a reply on DBooth comment on dataset construction [on Gregory Williams - due 2012-07-03].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-653 - Draft a reply on DBooth comment on dataset construction [on Gregory Williams - due 2012-07-03]. ←
14:59:47 <Zakim> -Arthur
Zakim IRC Bot: -Arthur ←
15:00:01 <AxelPolleres> rrsagent, make records public
rrsagent, make records public ←
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