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13:57:36 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 77277
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13:57:36 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
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13:57:37 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
13:57:38 <trackbot> Date: 05 June 2012
13:58:25 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has now started
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13:58:32 <Zakim> +kasei
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13:59:04 <Zakim> +pgearon
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14:00:36 <AxelPolleres> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012AprJun/0199.html
14:00:36 <AxelPolleres> regrets: Andy, Lee
14:01:14 <Zakim> + +49.897.aaaa - is perhaps AxelPolleres?
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14:01:24 <Zakim> +Olivier
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14:01:54 <AxelPolleres> zakim, aaaa is me
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14:01:54 <Zakim> sorry, AxelPolleres, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
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14:02:10 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?
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14:02:10 <Zakim> On the phone I see kasei, pgearon, AxelPolleres?, Olivier
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14:02:16 <Zakim> + +1.512.433.aabb
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14:02:21 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, AxelPolleres? is me
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14:02:21 <Zakim> +AxelPolleres; got it
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14:02:33 <Zakim> +Sandro
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14:04:08 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, aabb is Arthur
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14:04:08 <Zakim> +Arthur; got it
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14:04:18 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone.
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14:04:18 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', AxelPolleres
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14:04:54 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?
Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone? ←
14:04:54 <Zakim> On the phone I see kasei, pgearon, AxelPolleres, Olivier, Arthur, Sandro
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14:05:43 <AxelPolleres> scribe: pgearon
(Scribe set to Paul Gearon)
14:05:49 <AxelPolleres> topic: admin
14:06:08 <Zakim> +??P24
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14:06:14 <cbuilara> zakim, ??=24 is me
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14:06:14 <Zakim> sorry, cbuilara, I do not recognize a party named '??=24'
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14:06:20 <cbuilara> zakim, ??P24 is me
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14:06:20 <Zakim> +cbuilara; got it
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14:06:25 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-05-29
PROPOSED: approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-05-29 ←
14:06:51 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-05-29
RESOLVED: approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-05-29 ←
14:07:15 <AxelPolleres> next telco one week from now as usual
Axel Polleres: next telco one week from now as usual ←
14:07:30 <AxelPolleres> topic: liaison
14:07:49 <pgearon> AxelPolleres: usual liaison with RDF WG not present. Anyone else from the group here?
Axel Polleres: usual liaison with RDF WG not present. Anyone else from the group here? ←
14:07:56 <AxelPolleres> no news from related WGs
Axel Polleres: no news from related WGs ←
14:08:15 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012AprJun/0199.html
Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012AprJun/0199.html ←
14:08:35 <AxelPolleres> topic: actions
14:08:36 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/open
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/open ←
14:09:53 <pgearon> AxelPolleres: looking at action-635
Axel Polleres: looking at ACTION-635 ←
14:09:58 <AxelPolleres> ACTION-635: see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012AprJun/0195.html
Axel Polleres: ACTION-635: see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012AprJun/0195.html ←
14:09:58 <trackbot> ACTION-635 Draft text for GSP that replaces REST references with HTTP references and send summary/diff to the mailing list notes added
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-635 Draft text for GSP that replaces REST references with HTTP references and send summary/diff to the mailing list notes added ←
14:10:15 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-635
Axel Polleres: close ACTION-635 ←
14:10:18 <Zakim> +Chimezie
Zakim IRC Bot: +Chimezie ←
14:10:56 <pgearon> AxelPolleres: I've closed 635, was that correct?
Axel Polleres: I've closed 635, was that correct? ←
14:11:01 <pgearon> Chimezie: yes
Chimezie Ogbuji: yes ←
14:12:03 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: sandro to look over changes in GSP by two weeks from now
ACTION: sandro to look over changes in GSP by two weeks from now ←
14:12:03 <trackbot> Created ACTION-636 - Look over changes in GSP by two weeks from now [on Sandro Hawke - due 2012-06-12].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-636 - Look over changes in GSP by two weeks from now [on Sandro Hawke - due 2012-06-12]. ←
14:12:29 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?
Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone? ←
14:12:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see kasei, pgearon, AxelPolleres, Olivier, Arthur, Sandro, cbuilara, Chimezie
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see kasei, pgearon, AxelPolleres, Olivier, Arthur, Sandro, cbuilara, Chimezie ←
14:13:27 <pgearon> AxelPolleres: action-634 to be discussed when LeeF available
Axel Polleres: ACTION-634 to be discussed when LeeF available ←
14:14:01 <kasei> hopefully self-explanatory: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/sdvalidator
Gregory Williams: hopefully self-explanatory: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/sdvalidator ←
14:14:43 <pgearon> AxelPolleres: other actions are to draft a response. Haven't been seen yet
Axel Polleres: other actions are to draft a response. Haven't been seen yet ←
14:14:55 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me
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14:14:55 <Zakim> Chimezie should now be muted
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14:15:08 <kasei> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012AprJun/0193.html
Gregory Williams: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012AprJun/0193.html ←
14:15:09 <pgearon> AxelPolleres: what about action-625?
Axel Polleres: what about ACTION-625? ←
14:15:19 <pgearon> kasei: that is done. Email sent
Gregory Williams: that is done. Email sent ←
14:15:23 <AxelPolleres> ACTION-625: see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012AprJun/0193.html
Axel Polleres: ACTION-625: see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012AprJun/0193.html ←
14:15:23 <trackbot> ACTION-625 Look at changes to or adding new STRBEFORE/STRAFTER tests to reflect updated behavior of error case (empty string, no language tag) notes added
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-625 Look at changes to or adding new STRBEFORE/STRAFTER tests to reflect updated behavior of error case (empty string, no language tag) notes added ←
14:15:30 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-625
Axel Polleres: close ACTION-625 ←
14:15:30 <trackbot> ACTION-625 Look at changes to or adding new STRBEFORE/STRAFTER tests to reflect updated behavior of error case (empty string, no language tag) closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-625 Look at changes to or adding new STRBEFORE/STRAFTER tests to reflect updated behavior of error case (empty string, no language tag) closed ←
14:15:37 <pgearon> kasei: a bunch of those actions can be closed
Gregory Williams: a bunch of those actions can be closed ←
14:16:40 <AxelPolleres> "strbefore01a and strafter01a are meant to replace the existing strbefore01 and strafter01 tests.
Axel Polleres: "strbefore01a and strafter01a are meant to replace the existing strbefore01 and strafter01 tests. ←
14:16:41 <AxelPolleres> strbefore02 and strafter02 are new."
Axel Polleres: strbefore02 and strafter02 are new." ←
14:17:10 <pgearon> kasei: AndyS ran these, but this is in private chat, so no record
Gregory Williams: AndyS ran these, but this is in private chat, so no record ←
14:17:15 <AxelPolleres> approve next time, get report for running them correctly by next time.
Axel Polleres: approve next time, get report for running them correctly by next time. ←
14:17:31 <pgearon> AxelPolleres: get record of 2 implementations for next time
Axel Polleres: get record of 2 implementations for next time ←
14:17:51 <pgearon> AxelPolleres: action-621 can probably be closed as well
Axel Polleres: ACTION-621 can probably be closed as well ←
14:18:27 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:JL-3
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:JL-3 ←
14:18:30 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, unmute me ←
14:18:30 <Zakim> Chimezie should no longer be muted
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14:18:31 <pgearon> AxelPolleres: was that reply for JL-3 sent?
Axel Polleres: was that reply for JL-3 sent? ←
14:19:01 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-621
Axel Polleres: close ACTION-621 ←
14:19:01 <trackbot> ACTION-621 Contact Chime on when to talk about JL-3 closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-621 Contact Chime on when to talk about JL-3 closed ←
14:19:12 <pgearon> chimezie: was waiting on discussion on list
Chimezie Ogbuji: was waiting on discussion on list ←
14:20:13 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, mute me ←
14:20:13 <Zakim> Chimezie should now be muted
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14:20:23 <pgearon> AxelPolleres: action-620, I did contact Carlos
Axel Polleres: ACTION-620, I did contact Carlos ←
14:20:43 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-620
Axel Polleres: close ACTION-620 ←
14:20:43 <trackbot> ACTION-620 Contact carlos to implement change from BINDINGS to VALUES in Fed-query for PR closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-620 Contact carlos to implement change from BINDINGS to VALUES in Fed-query for PR closed ←
14:21:10 <pgearon> AxelPolleres: action-618 also done
Axel Polleres: ACTION-618 also done ←
14:21:17 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-618
Axel Polleres: close ACTION-618 ←
14:21:18 <trackbot> ACTION-618 Propose fix in definition of "in-scope" for BIND, cf. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012AprJun/0120.html closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-618 Propose fix in definition of "in-scope" for BIND, cf. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012AprJun/0120.html closed ←
14:21:43 <pgearon> AxelPolleres: action-617 on Sandro
Axel Polleres: ACTION-617 on Sandro ←
14:21:53 <pgearon> Sandro: still haven't done that
Sandro Hawke: still haven't done that ←
14:24:12 <pgearon> did action-615, but asked AndyS about some confusing items which led to fixes in query document. Can post this with fixes today
did ACTION-615, but asked AndyS about some confusing items which led to fixes in query document. Can post this with fixes today ←
14:24:14 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-578
Axel Polleres: close ACTION-578 ←
14:24:14 <trackbot> ACTION-578 Talk with Lee about putting a test system in place to test endpoints for protocol and service description conformance closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-578 Talk with Lee about putting a test system in place to test endpoints for protocol and service description conformance closed ←
14:24:28 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-628
Axel Polleres: close ACTION-628 ←
14:24:28 <trackbot> ACTION-628 Complete specification of protocol tests at https://gist.github.com/2770483 closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-628 Complete specification of protocol tests at https://gist.github.com/2770483 closed ←
14:24:29 <pgearon> kasei: done a bunch of actions already and these can be closed
Gregory Williams: done a bunch of actions already and these can be closed ←
14:24:40 <Zakim> -Arthur
Zakim IRC Bot: -Arthur ←
14:24:59 <AxelPolleres> ACTION-630: first draft done
Axel Polleres: ACTION-630: first draft done ←
14:25:06 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-630
Axel Polleres: close ACTION-630 ←
14:25:13 <trackbot> ACTION-630 Complete implementation of validator pending completion of ACTION-628 notes added
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-630 Complete implementation of validator pending completion of ACTION-628 notes added ←
14:25:14 <trackbot> ACTION-630 Complete implementation of validator pending completion of ACTION-628 closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-630 Complete implementation of validator pending completion of ACTION-628 closed ←
14:25:20 <kasei> SD validator docs: https://github.com/kasei/sparql11-sdvalidator
Gregory Williams: SD validator docs: https://github.com/kasei/sparql11-sdvalidator ←
14:25:32 <AxelPolleres> ACTION-632: documented at https://github.com/kasei/sparql11-sdvalidator
Axel Polleres: ACTION-632: documented at https://github.com/kasei/sparql11-sdvalidator ←
14:25:32 <trackbot> ACTION-632 Document what the service description validator tests notes added
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-632 Document what the service description validator tests notes added ←
14:25:47 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-632
Axel Polleres: close ACTION-632 ←
14:25:47 <trackbot> ACTION-632 Document what the service description validator tests closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-632 Document what the service description validator tests closed ←
14:26:13 <Zakim> +??P4
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P4 ←
14:26:23 <bglimm> Zakim, ??P4 is me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, ??P4 is me ←
14:26:23 <Zakim> +bglimm; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bglimm; got it ←
14:26:28 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me ←
14:26:28 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted ←
14:27:15 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-590
Axel Polleres: close ACTION-590 ←
14:27:15 <trackbot> ACTION-590 Confirm removal of test cases move05 and copy05 per email closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-590 Confirm removal of test cases move05 and copy05 per email closed ←
14:29:26 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-585
Axel Polleres: close ACTION-585 ←
14:29:27 <trackbot> ACTION-585 Suggest some fixing of the wording regarding COPY/MOVE equivalent operations (reagrding atomicity and remarking that some are no-op) and about failure on empty graphs closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-585 Suggest some fixing of the wording regarding COPY/MOVE equivalent operations (reagrding atomicity and remarking that some are no-op) and about failure on empty graphs closed ←
14:30:30 <AxelPolleres> topic: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/To_PR
14:32:49 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, unmute me ←
14:32:49 <Zakim> bglimm should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should no longer be muted ←
14:32:54 <pgearon> AxelPolleres: want to talk about entailment
Axel Polleres: want to talk about entailment ←
14:33:05 <pgearon> topic: entailment
14:33:14 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/To_PR#Entailment_.28PR.29
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/To_PR#Entailment_.28PR.29 ←
14:33:22 <AxelPolleres> no changes since last call...
Axel Polleres: no changes since last call... ←
14:33:26 <pgearon> bglimm: no reviewers assigned, but no changes since last call
Birte Glimm: no reviewers assigned, but no changes since last call ←
14:33:54 <pgearon> bglimm: no acknowledgment from Michael Schneider
Birte Glimm: no acknowledgment from Michael Schneider ←
14:34:06 <pgearon> AxelPolleres: ping Michael, but should be OK otherwise
Axel Polleres: ping Michael, but should be OK otherwise ←
14:34:37 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, unmute me ←
14:34:37 <Zakim> Chimezie should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Chimezie should no longer be muted ←
14:34:50 <pgearon> bglimm: Michael Schneider wants to implement all, Talis to do some, Jeff Pan to do some....
Birte Glimm: Michael Schneider wants to implement all, Talis to do some, Jeff Pan to do some.... ←
14:35:19 <pgearon> sandro: should we tell them our deadline? Or ask them what their timeframe is?
Sandro Hawke: should we tell them our deadline? Or ask them what their timeframe is? ←
14:35:29 <pgearon> bglimm: maybe was can ask them
Birte Glimm: maybe was can ask them ←
14:35:57 <pgearon> sandro: we should let them know our timeframe is short
Sandro Hawke: we should let them know our timeframe is short ←
14:36:27 <pgearon> AxelPolleres: we need some response, because this is the area where we have the least idea of what's going on
Axel Polleres: we need some response, because this is the area where we have the least idea of what's going on ←
14:36:52 <pgearon> bglimm: chimezie and I are the ones in the group doing this work
Birte Glimm: chimezie and I are the ones in the group doing this work ←
14:37:08 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: birte to reach out to Entailment implementers about status/schedule of their implementations, tell them that we plan within a month
ACTION: birte to reach out to Entailment implementers about status/schedule of their implementations, tell them that we plan within a month ←
14:37:08 <trackbot> Created ACTION-637 - Reach out to Entailment implementers about status/schedule of their implementations, tell them that we plan within a month [on Birte Glimm - due 2012-06-12].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-637 - Reach out to Entailment implementers about status/schedule of their implementations, tell them that we plan within a month [on Birte Glimm - due 2012-06-12]. ←
14:37:12 <pgearon> bglimm: I don't have time for implementing right now
Birte Glimm: I don't have time for implementing right now ←
14:37:22 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me ←
14:37:22 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted ←
14:37:30 <pgearon> AxelPolleres: let implementors know that we need something within a month, if they're going to do it
Axel Polleres: let implementors know that we need something within a month, if they're going to do it ←
14:37:32 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, unmute me ←
14:37:32 <Zakim> bglimm should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should no longer be muted ←
14:37:54 <pgearon> AxelPolleres: only have template on PR page, so adding comment would be good
Axel Polleres: only have template on PR page, so adding comment would be good ←
14:37:55 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me ←
14:37:55 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted ←
14:38:02 <pgearon> bglimm: will do that now
Birte Glimm: will do that now ←
14:38:04 <AxelPolleres> subtopic: federated query
14:38:18 <pgearon> cbuilara: only one comment last week
Carlos Buil Aranda: only one comment last week ←
14:38:43 <pgearon> cbuilara: 2 tests. Tried to finish everything for To_PR
Carlos Buil Aranda: 2 tests. Tried to finish everything for To_PR ←
14:39:04 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/To_PR
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/To_PR ←
14:39:51 <pgearon> cbuilara: only change was on BINDINGS changed to VALUES
Carlos Buil Aranda: only change was on BINDINGS changed to VALUES ←
14:40:11 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, mute me ←
14:40:11 <Zakim> Chimezie should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Chimezie should now be muted ←
14:40:25 <pgearon> subtopic: results formats
14:40:53 <AxelPolleres> nothing new
Axel Polleres: nothing new ←
14:40:57 <AxelPolleres> topic: comments
14:40:59 <pgearon> AxelPolleres: unless someone has more on To_PR page we can move to something new
Axel Polleres: unless someone has more on To_PR page we can move to something new ←
14:41:21 <pgearon> AxelPolleres: on comments list. Comment by TBL?
Axel Polleres: on comments list. Comment by TBL? ←
14:41:35 <pgearon> AxelPolleres: not sure if we're expected to react and how
Axel Polleres: not sure if we're expected to react and how ←
14:41:42 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2012Jun/0001.html
Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2012Jun/0001.html ←
14:42:22 <sandro> sandro: I read that as being primarily to the RDF WG.
Sandro Hawke: I read that as being primarily to the RDF WG. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
14:42:24 <pgearon> sandro: this is really for the RDF WG, since it's about Turtle comments. It's relevant to us, but the RDF WG is the lead
Sandro Hawke: this is really for the RDF WG, since it's about Turtle comments. It's relevant to us, but the RDF WG is the lead ←
14:42:56 <pgearon> sandro: we can formally say that we're not planning on adding multi-line comments
Sandro Hawke: we can formally say that we're not planning on adding multi-line comments ←
14:43:38 <pgearon> sandro: TBL was responding to someone else asking for these comments, so this would not be refuting TBL
Sandro Hawke: TBL was responding to someone else asking for these comments, so this would not be refuting TBL ←
14:43:58 <pgearon> AxelPolleres: will you send this quick response please
Axel Polleres: will you send this quick response please ←
14:44:56 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2012Jun/0002.html
Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2012Jun/0002.html ←
14:45:10 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2012Jun/0005.html
Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2012Jun/0005.html ←
14:46:34 <pgearon> kasei: SD offers a way to say that you dereference URLs
Gregory Williams: SD offers a way to say that you dereference URLs ←
14:47:02 <pgearon> AxelPolleres: send an email explaining, and say that this is an informal response, do you require a formal one?
Axel Polleres: send an email explaining, and say that this is an informal response, do you require a formal one? ←
14:47:09 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: greg to informally reply on http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2012Jun/0002.html pointing to SD and asking whether formal response is needed.
ACTION: greg to informally reply on http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2012Jun/0002.html pointing to SD and asking whether formal response is needed. ←
14:47:09 <trackbot> Created ACTION-638 - Informally reply on http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2012Jun/0002.html pointing to SD and asking whether formal response is needed. [on Gregory Williams - due 2012-06-12].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-638 - Informally reply on http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2012Jun/0002.html pointing to SD and asking whether formal response is needed. [on Gregory Williams - due 2012-06-12]. ←
14:49:38 <AxelPolleres> topic: interplay of aggregates
14:49:38 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012AprJun/0198.html
Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012AprJun/0198.html ←
14:50:21 <pgearon> pgearon: q to kasei - is there a way to use SD to describe only dereferencing a URL if there is no existing graph with that name? This is Mulgara's behavior
Paul Gearon: q to kasei - is there a way to use SD to describe only dereferencing a URL if there is no existing graph with that name? This is Mulgara's behavior ←
14:50:58 <pgearon> kasei: not really. This sounds like dereferencing, but with more specificity. Looking to see how the community uses these descriptions to see which direction to take it in future
Gregory Williams: not really. This sounds like dereferencing, but with more specificity. Looking to see how the community uses these descriptions to see which direction to take it in future ←
14:51:02 <AxelPolleres> SELECT AVG(?x * MAX (?y) )
Axel Polleres: SELECT AVG(?x * MAX (?y) ) ←
14:51:19 <AxelPolleres> SELECT (max(?x) As ?M) (avg(?M+1) AS ?A)
Axel Polleres: SELECT (max(?x) As ?M) (avg(?M+1) AS ?A) ←
14:51:28 <pgearon> AxelPolleres: question was if this should be allowed or not
Axel Polleres: question was if this should be allowed or not ←
14:51:43 <pgearon> +q
+q ←
14:52:02 <AxelPolleres> ack pgearon
Axel Polleres: ack pgearon ←
14:52:14 <pgearon> AxelPolleres: want quick opinions today
Axel Polleres: want quick opinions today ←
14:52:51 <AxelPolleres> paul: andy reported that disallowing would be ok, as subqueries allow it
Paul Gearon: andy reported that disallowing would be ok, as subqueries allow it [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
14:53:11 <pgearon> AxelPolleres: does anyone want to allow this?
Axel Polleres: does anyone want to allow this? ←
14:53:23 <kasei> it should be disallowed.
Gregory Williams: it should be disallowed. ←
14:53:27 <bglimm> I think it makes the algebra unnecessarily complicated
Birte Glimm: I think it makes the algebra unnecessarily complicated ←
14:53:31 <pgearon> AxelPolleres: is there consensus to disallow?
Axel Polleres: is there consensus to disallow? ←
14:53:55 <AxelPolleres> strawpoll: Disallow nested aggregates (given the understanding that it can be done in subqueries if needed)
STRAWPOLL: Disallow nested aggregates (given the understanding that it can be done in subqueries if needed) ←
14:53:39 <bglimm> +1 to disallow
Birte Glimm: +1 to disallow ←
14:53:44 <pgearon> +1 to disallow
+1 to disallow ←
14:53:52 <chimezie> +0 not sufficiently swapped in to conversation
Chimezie Ogbuji: +0 not sufficiently swapped in to conversation ←
14:53:57 <Olivier> 0
Olivier Corby: 0 ←
14:54:01 <cbuilara> 0
14:54:09 <AxelPolleres> +1
Axel Polleres: +1 ←
14:54:10 <kasei> +1 to disallow
Gregory Williams: +1 to disallow ←
14:54:20 <pgearon> I think it makes algebra more complicated without benefit. No legitimate use cases were presented in the conversation
I think it makes algebra more complicated without benefit. No legitimate use cases were presented in the conversation ←
14:55:05 <AxelPolleres> olivier: no strong position, no objection either
Olivier Corby: no strong position, no objection either [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
14:55:27 <pgearon> Also, it was pointed out that subqueries make it clearer what is being requested. Sub-aggregates in the select clause are much less clear
Also, it was pointed out that subqueries make it clearer what is being requested. Sub-aggregates in the select clause are much less clear ←
14:55:47 <AxelPolleres> I tend to agree on that point, paul.
Axel Polleres: I tend to agree on that point, paul. ←
14:55:47 <pgearon> AxelPolleres: any other business?
Axel Polleres: any other business? ←
14:55:50 <AxelPolleres> AOB?
Axel Polleres: AOB? ←
14:56:00 <AxelPolleres> adjourned
Axel Polleres: adjourned ←
14:56:02 <Zakim> -Chimezie
Zakim IRC Bot: -Chimezie ←
14:56:11 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
14:56:12 <Zakim> -Olivier
Zakim IRC Bot: -Olivier ←
14:56:13 <Zakim> -bglimm
Zakim IRC Bot: -bglimm ←
14:56:15 <Zakim> -cbuilara
Zakim IRC Bot: -cbuilara ←
14:56:18 <Zakim> -pgearon
Zakim IRC Bot: -pgearon ←
14:56:19 <AxelPolleres> rrsagent, make records public
Axel Polleres: rrsagent, make records public ←
14:56:22 <Zakim> -kasei
Zakim IRC Bot: -kasei ←
14:56:41 <AxelPolleres> paul thanks for scribing, will you do common-scribe minutes?
Axel Polleres: paul thanks for scribing, will you do common-scribe minutes? ←
14:56:52 <AxelPolleres> bye all
Axel Polleres: bye all ←
14:56:58 <Zakim> -AxelPolleres
Zakim IRC Bot: -AxelPolleres ←
14:57:00 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended ←
14:57:00 <Zakim> Attendees were kasei, pgearon, +49.897.aaaa, Olivier, +1.512.433.aabb, AxelPolleres, Sandro, Arthur, cbuilara, Chimezie, bglimm
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were kasei, pgearon, +49.897.aaaa, Olivier, +1.512.433.aabb, AxelPolleres, Sandro, Arthur, cbuilara, Chimezie, bglimm ←
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