SPARQL Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 03 January 2012

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2012-01-03
Present
Andy Seaborne, Matthew Perry, Steve Harris, Gregory Williams, Birte Glimm, Sandro Hawke, Axel Polleres, Lee Feigenbaum, Carlos Buil Aranda, Olivier Corby
Chair
Axel Polleres
Scribe
Andy Seaborne
IRC Log
Original and Editable Wiki Version
Resolutions
  1. Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-12-20 link
  2. Lee to draft conformance text on the mailinglist which we put into the publication of protocol, unless objections (adendum to resolution http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-12-20#resolution_6) link
Topics
<bglimm> PRESENT: Andy, Matt, SteveH, Greg, Birte, Sandro, Axel, Lee, carlos, Olivier
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14:57:53 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 77277

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14:57:53 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot

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14:57:54 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
14:57:54 <trackbot> Date: 03 January 2012
14:58:09 <AxelPolleres> chair: Axel Polleres
14:58:19 <AxelPolleres> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2012-01-03
14:59:39 <kasei> AxelPolleres: are we using Zakim or freeconference?

Axel Polleres: are we using Zakim or freeconference? [ Scribe Assist by Gregory Williams ]

14:59:55 <AxelPolleres> kasei: just trying...

Gregory Williams: just trying... [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

15:00:07 <SteveH> I'm on freeconference

Steve Harris: I'm on freeconference

15:00:15 <AxelPolleres> Zakim ist down still... let's use freeconference (see  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JanMar/0009.html)

Axel Polleres: Zakim ist down still... let's use freeconference (see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JanMar/0009.html)

15:01:12 <bglimm> So I have to dial to the US? No voip? That might be difficult

Birte Glimm: So I have to dial to the US? No voip? That might be difficult

15:01:27 <SteveH> it's not a very good line from the UK, quite noisy

Steve Harris: it's not a very good line from the UK, quite noisy

15:01:55 <carlos> I can't connect to that phone :(

Carlos Buil Aranda: I can't connect to that phone :(

15:02:44 <AxelPolleres> We have Andy, Matt, SteveH, Greg, on the phone... who else?

Axel Polleres: We have Andy, Matt, SteveH, Greg, on the phone... who else?

15:03:16 <AxelPolleres> Birte, sorry, maybe Sandro has some alternative?

Axel Polleres: Birte, sorry, maybe Sandro has some alternative?

15:03:24 <AxelPolleres> Paul joined

Axel Polleres: Paul joined

15:03:38 <SteveH> bglimm, if you can call a UK number I can join you to the call?

Steve Harris: bglimm, if you can call a UK number I can join you to the call?

15:03:43 <sandro> I thought the site said something about internet calls.

Sandro Hawke: I thought the site said something about internet calls.

15:03:55 <AxelPolleres> (carlos, birte having technical problems...)

Axel Polleres: (carlos, birte having technical problems...)

15:03:55 <SteveH> sandro, I couldn't find anything just now

Steve Harris: sandro, I couldn't find anything just now

15:04:36 <AndyS1> And the local chemical warning siren is testing (I hope) here :-|

Andy Seaborne: And the local chemical warning siren is testing (I hope) here :-|

15:04:52 <AxelPolleres> birte joined

Axel Polleres: birte joined

15:05:10 <AxelPolleres> sandro joined

Axel Polleres: sandro joined

15:05:48 <sandro> sandro has changed the topic to: No Zakim today.   1-213-342-3000  code 4264131

Sandro Hawke: sandro has changed the topic to: No Zakim today. 1-213-342-3000 code 4264131

15:05:49 <Olivier> I joined the telcon

Olivier Corby: I joined the telcon

15:05:58 <AxelPolleres> Olivier joined

Axel Polleres: Olivier joined

15:06:11 <bglimm> I called the US number via Skype

Birte Glimm: I called the US number via Skype

15:06:26 <bglimm> but you have to have Skype credit to do that

Birte Glimm: but you have to have Skype credit to do that

15:06:33 <AxelPolleres> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2012-01-03
15:06:47 <sandro> (fwiw, Google Voice can't call this number  :-(    )

Sandro Hawke: (fwiw, Google Voice can't call this number :-( )

15:06:59 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: Happy new year everybody

Axel Polleres: Happy new year everybody [ Scribe Assist by Birte Glimm ]

15:07:08 <AxelPolleres> topic: admin

1. admin

15:07:09 <bglimm> ... we had several resolutions last year

Birte Glimm: ... we had several resolutions last year

15:07:20 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-12-20

PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-12-20

15:07:46 <AndyS1> +1

Andy Seaborne: +1

15:07:47 <bglimm> ...Comments on the minutes?

Birte Glimm: ...Comments on the minutes?

15:07:50 <bglimm> (silence)

Birte Glimm: (silence)

15:07:57 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-12-20

RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-12-20

15:08:10 <bglimm> Next regular call in a week's time

Birte Glimm: Next regular call in a week's time

15:08:11 <AxelPolleres> Next regular meeting: 2012-01-10 @ 15:00 UK / 10:00 EST (scribe: Axel Polleres)

Axel Polleres: Next regular meeting: 2012-01-10 @ 15:00 UK / 10:00 EST (scribe: Axel Polleres)

15:08:20 <bglimm> Axel is next on the scribe list

Birte Glimm: Axel is next on the scribe list

15:08:32 <bglimm> No report from the RDF WG?

Birte Glimm: No report from the RDF WG?

15:08:43 <AndyS1> Nothing to report

Andy Seaborne: Nothing to report

15:09:04 <bglimm> We skip this then and go to the publication issues

Birte Glimm: We skip this then and go to the publication issues

15:09:30 <bglimm> We have several documents to be published, but Jan 2nd is no longer an option

Birte Glimm: We have several documents to be published, but Jan 2nd is no longer an option

15:09:41 <bglimm> ... We need to decide on another publication date

Birte Glimm: ... We need to decide on another publication date

15:09:52 <bglimm> ... Jan 5th was discussed on the mailing list

Birte Glimm: ... Jan 5th was discussed on the mailing list

15:09:58 <bglimm> ... Is that feasible?

Birte Glimm: ... Is that feasible?

15:10:29 <bglimm> Sandro: I think 5th is the first available pub date

Sandro Hawke: I think 5th is the first available pub date [ Scribe Assist by Birte Glimm ]

15:10:39 <bglimm> Axel: We could go for Jan 9th as well

Axel Polleres: We could go for Jan 9th as well [ Scribe Assist by Birte Glimm ]

15:11:02 <bglimm> Sandro: We can publish Mondays and Thursdays

Sandro Hawke: We can publish Mondays and Thursdays [ Scribe Assist by Birte Glimm ]

15:11:18 <bglimm> Axel: So we could decide for 5th or 10th Jan

Axel Polleres: So we could decide for 5th or 10th Jan [ Scribe Assist by Birte Glimm ]

15:11:25 <AxelPolleres> 5th or 10th... try for the earliest possible.

Axel Polleres: 5th or 10th... try for the earliest possible.

15:11:30 <bglimm> ... We could try the earliest possible

Birte Glimm: ... We could try the earliest possible

15:11:57 <bglimm> ... I used a wrong text on possibly skipping CR

Birte Glimm: ... I used a wrong text on possibly skipping CR

15:12:33 <bglimm> ... it is almost as required, but I suggest to stick exactly to the resolution text

Birte Glimm: ... it is almost as required, but I suggest to stick exactly to the resolution text

15:13:07 <AxelPolleres> Change the text referring to possibly skipping CR as per last time's resolution: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-12-20#resolution_8

Axel Polleres: Change the text referring to possibly skipping CR as per last time's resolution: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-12-20#resolution_8

15:13:39 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: I asked myself whether we should do something with the change logs

Axel Polleres: I asked myself whether we should do something with the change logs [ Scribe Assist by Birte Glimm ]

15:13:55 <bglimm> ... Some documents still have change logs from previous versions

Birte Glimm: ... Some documents still have change logs from previous versions

15:14:01 <bglimm> ... These should be removed

Birte Glimm: ... These should be removed

15:14:42 <AxelPolleres> let's go through documents

Axel Polleres: let's go through documents

15:14:46 <bglimm> ... we go through the docs one by one

Birte Glimm: ... we go through the docs one by one

15:14:51 <bglimm> .. starting with Query

Birte Glimm: .. starting with Query

15:15:12 <AxelPolleres>   Query... mail from Andy: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JanMar/0007.html

Axel Polleres: Query... mail from Andy: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JanMar/0007.html

15:15:39 <bglimm> We need to check that it is LC and put in the required comment text

Birte Glimm: We need to check that it is LC and put in the required comment text

15:15:56 <bglimm> The text for possibly skipping CR is the one from the resolution

Birte Glimm: The text for possibly skipping CR is the one from the resolution

15:16:29 <bglimm> Query is ready to go

Birte Glimm: Query is ready to go

15:16:30 <AndyS1> query HTML checked into CVS

Andy Seaborne: query HTML checked into CVS

15:16:37 <AxelPolleres> Entailment regimes ready to go?

Axel Polleres: Entailment regimes ready to go?

15:16:39 <AndyS1> ... under pub/

Andy Seaborne: ... under pub/

15:16:39 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: Entailment Regimes?

Axel Polleres: Entailment Regimes? [ Scribe Assist by Birte Glimm ]

15:16:46 <bglimm> bglimm: Ready to go

Birte Glimm: Ready to go [ Scribe Assist by Birte Glimm ]

15:17:01 <AxelPolleres> pub/20120102/WD-sparql11-query-201120105/

Axel Polleres: pub/20120102/WD-sparql11-query-201120105/

15:17:13 <AxelPolleres> pub/20120102/WD-sparql11-query-20120105/

Axel Polleres: pub/20120102/WD-sparql11-query-20120105/

15:17:46 <AxelPolleres> pub/20120102/

Axel Polleres: pub/20120102/

15:18:03 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: documents should be in the pub/20120102/ folder

Axel Polleres: documents should be in the pub/20120102/ folder [ Scribe Assist by Birte Glimm ]

15:19:09 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: Update still had two open comments

Axel Polleres: Update still had two open comments [ Scribe Assist by Birte Glimm ]

15:19:17 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments#Last_Call_comments ...

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments#Last_Call_comments ...

15:19:28 <bglimm> ... at least they are makred as open on  the comments page

Birte Glimm: ... at least they are makred as open on the comments page

15:19:39 <bglimm> BV-5 and NL-1

Birte Glimm: DB-5 and NL-1

15:19:44 <AxelPolleres> DB-5 and NL-1 look still open

Axel Polleres: DB-5 and NL-1 look still open

15:19:59 <bglimm> s/BV-5/DB-5/
15:20:21 <bglimm> The first one is addressed,, but the wiki was not updated

Birte Glimm: The first one is addressed,, but the wiki was not updated

15:21:13 <AndyS1> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:DB-5 exists, not linked

Andy Seaborne: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:DB-5 exists, not linked

15:21:21 <bglimm> Paul?: NL-1 is about query and not update

Birte Glimm: Paul?: NL-1 is about query and not update

15:22:19 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: It probably doen't make sense to touch the doc now, we can leave that for a future version of the spec

Axel Polleres: It probably doen't make sense to touch the doc now, we can leave that for a future version of the spec [ Scribe Assist by Birte Glimm ]

15:22:25 <AndyS1> (one moment)

Andy Seaborne: (one moment)

15:23:03 <bglimm> ... NL-1 is definitely about Query

Birte Glimm: ... NL-1 is definitely about Query

15:23:28 <bglimm> AndyS1: Looking at the use-case he must do a full construct

Andy Seaborne: Looking at the use-case he must do a full construct [ Scribe Assist by Birte Glimm ]

15:23:32 <bglimm> ... due to the filters

Birte Glimm: ... due to the filters

15:23:54 <bglimm> ... I can see some restricted cases that we could address with the current design

Birte Glimm: ... I can see some restricted cases that we could address with the current design

15:24:34 <bglimm> ... It seems to be a query that should return all touched triples

Birte Glimm: ... It seems to be a query that should return all touched triples

15:24:43 <LeeF> It's why we put the limitation in

Lee Feigenbaum: It's why we put the limitation in

15:24:47 <bglimm> SteveH: We have discussed this at one of the F2Fs

Steve Harris: We have discussed this at one of the F2Fs [ Scribe Assist by Birte Glimm ]

15:24:47 <LeeF> because doing the alternative was too... icky

Lee Feigenbaum: because doing the alternative was too... icky

15:25:06 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: We didn't want to tough this

Axel Polleres: We didn't want to tough this [ Scribe Assist by Birte Glimm ]

15:25:16 <bglimm> .... extensions could be put on the future issues list

Birte Glimm: .... extensions could be put on the future issues list

15:25:33 <bglimm> ... we could use our standard reply for future issues

Birte Glimm: ... we could use our standard reply for future issues

15:25:43 <bglimm> ... I can draft a reply along these lines

Birte Glimm: ... I can draft a reply along these lines

15:25:51 <bglimm> ... unless there are other volunteer

Birte Glimm: ... unless there are other volunteer

15:26:04 <bglimm> AndyS1: I don't even fully understand his example

Andy Seaborne: I don't even fully understand his example [ Scribe Assist by Birte Glimm ]

15:26:16 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: I'll just do a high level reply

Axel Polleres: I'll just do a high level reply [ Scribe Assist by Birte Glimm ]

15:26:52 <bglimm> AndyS: I wouldn't go into extensions of the short form. There is always the long form for complicated use cases.

Andy Seaborne: I wouldn't go into extensions of the short form. There is always the long form for complicated use cases. [ Scribe Assist by Birte Glimm ]

15:27:08 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to draft a reply to NL-1 pointing �to stay on the basic level for the CONSTRUCT WHERE shortcut, and that there's the full form for more complex cases

ACTION: Axel to draft a reply to NL-1 pointing �to stay on the basic level for the CONSTRUCT WHERE shortcut, and that there's the full form for more complex cases

15:27:09 <trackbot> Could not create new action (failed to parse response from server) - please contact sysreq with the details of what happened.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Could not create new action (failed to parse response from server) - please contact sysreq with the details of what happened.

15:27:09 <trackbot> Could not create new action (unparseable data in server response: local variable 'd' referenced before assignment) - please contact sysreq with the details of what happened.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Could not create new action (unparseable data in server response: local variable 'd' referenced before assignment) - please contact sysreq with the details of what happened.

15:27:52 <AndyS1> His use case does seem clear (to me) what the template would be if UNION and filters involved (e.g. UNION arms have partial overlaps of patterns used)

Andy Seaborne: His use case does seem clear (to me) what the template would be if UNION and filters involved (e.g. UNION arms have partial overlaps of patterns used)

15:27:58 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: No actions either. Comments seem addressable, so Update is ready to go

Axel Polleres: No actions either. Comments seem addressable, so Update is ready to go [ Scribe Assist by Birte Glimm ]

15:28:07 <bglimm> ... Service Descriptions?

Birte Glimm: ... Service Descriptions?

15:28:23 <bglimm> Greg: not ready yet due to pub rule checking issues

Gregory Williams: not ready yet due to pub rule checking issues [ Scribe Assist by Birte Glimm ]

15:28:46 <bglimm> Sorry I dropped out, but not due to lack of credit

Birte Glimm: Sorry I dropped out, but not due to lack of credit

15:28:50 <bglimm> will dial in again

Birte Glimm: will dial in again

15:29:11 <AndyS1> scribenick: AndyS1

(Scribe set to Andy Seaborne)

15:29:26 <AxelPolleres> greg:  will turn to protocol once SD is ready

Gregory Williams: will turn to protocol once SD is ready [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

15:29:49 <AndyS1> end document state review

end document state review

15:30:17 <AndyS1> for the review period of 4 weeks, exactly 4 weeks or one month?

for the review period of 4 weeks, exactly 4 weeks or one month?

15:30:27 <AxelPolleres> sandro?

Axel Polleres: sandro?

15:30:58 <AndyS1> sandro: does not matter - prefer to end day before a WG TC

Sandro Hawke: does not matter - prefer to end day before a WG TC

15:31:01 <bglimm> I am back

Birte Glimm: I am back

15:31:41 <AxelPolleres> let's choose a date 1 day before the coming WG meeting after 4 weeks have passed...

Axel Polleres: let's choose a date 1 day before the coming WG meeting after 4 weeks have passed...

15:32:26 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: The next point on the agenda is to check on the status of the other documents

Axel Polleres: The next point on the agenda is to check on the status of the other documents [ Scribe Assist by Birte Glimm ]

15:32:37 <AndyS1> axel: other docs - graphstore protocol

Axel Polleres: other docs - graphstore protocol

15:32:37 <bglimm> ... we didn't decide on the graph store protocoll yet

Birte Glimm: ... we didn't decide on the graph store protocoll yet

15:32:48 <bglimm> ... can anybody report?

Birte Glimm: ... can anybody report?

15:34:03 <AxelPolleres> plan to publish soon, sandro reports to mainly have agreed on the crucial points with Chime.

Axel Polleres: plan to publish soon, sandro reports to mainly have agreed on the crucial points with Chime.

15:34:12 <bglimm> ?: I am not sure what the status is now

Birte Glimm: ?: I am not sure what the status is now

15:34:28 <AndyS1> My preference is to see text in doc (inc ptr to changed text to make it easier to find)

My preference is to see text in doc (inc ptr to changed text to make it easier to find)

15:34:33 <bglimm> ... I talked to Chime, but I am not sure what his schedule is

Birte Glimm: ... I talked to Chime, but I am not sure what his schedule is

15:34:33 <AxelPolleres> ...right after publication, let's focus on it in next week's telecon and try to resolve wording issues by then per email

Axel Polleres: ...right after publication, let's focus on it in next week's telecon and try to resolve wording issues by then per email

15:35:02 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: Let's discuss by email, so we can decide about the doc next week

Axel Polleres: Let's discuss by email, so we can decide about the doc next week [ Scribe Assist by Birte Glimm ]

15:35:15 <bglimm> ... We got some feedback for protocol

Birte Glimm: ... We got some feedback for protocol

15:35:23 <bglimm> ... I am not sure how to treat this

Birte Glimm: ... I am not sure how to treat this

15:35:24 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JanMar/0003.html ... an early last call comment?

Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JanMar/0003.html ... an early last call comment?

15:35:29 <bglimm> ... as an early LC comment?

Birte Glimm: ... as an early LC comment?

15:35:39 <bglimm> Sandro?: I guess that makes sense

Birte Glimm: Sandro?: I guess that makes sense

15:36:29 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: Is there anything that says we address need another last call if we make changes

Axel Polleres: Is there anything that says we address need another last call if we make changes [ Scribe Assist by Birte Glimm ]

15:36:42 <AxelPolleres> Lee: only critical thing could be conformance criteria

Lee Feigenbaum: only critical thing could be conformance criteria [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

15:37:14 <bglimm> LeeF: The doc says that if you implement query then you need to do it in one of the 3 specified ways

Lee Feigenbaum: The doc says that if you implement query then you need to do it in one of the 3 specified ways [ Scribe Assist by Birte Glimm ]

15:37:41 <bglimm> ... it is not clear whether you have to implement all 3

Birte Glimm: ... it is not clear whether you have to implement all 3

15:38:10 <bglimm> .... it is not too clear whether you are performant if you support one of those or whether you have to support all 3

Birte Glimm: .... it is not too clear whether you are performant if you support one of those or whether you have to support all 3

15:38:25 <AndyS1> Any reason not to require GET ?

Any reason not to require GET ?

15:38:46 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: If a clarification requires another call, shouldn't we wait another week to get clarity about this?

Axel Polleres: If a clarification requires another call, shouldn't we wait another week to get clarity about this? [ Scribe Assist by Birte Glimm ]

15:39:03 <kasei> I'd be happy supporting a requirement for all of the 3 styles.

Gregory Williams: I'd be happy supporting a requirement for all of the 3 styles.

15:39:04 <bglimm> Sandro: We could add an at risk note

Sandro Hawke: We could add an at risk note [ Scribe Assist by Birte Glimm ]

15:39:35 <bglimm> LeeF: Can we check on IRC whether we have consensus about this?

Lee Feigenbaum: Can we check on IRC whether we have consensus about this? [ Scribe Assist by Birte Glimm ]

15:40:27 <kasei> q+

Gregory Williams: q+

15:40:41 <bglimm> ... if we follow Gregs proposal to require all three, it is a higher burden on implementors

Birte Glimm: ... if we follow Gregs proposal to require all three, it is a higher burden on implementors

15:41:03 <bglimm> AndyS: If we require all three, we should say why

Andy Seaborne: If we require all three, we should say why [ Scribe Assist by Birte Glimm ]

15:41:07 <LeeF> ack kasei

Lee Feigenbaum: ack kasei

15:41:28 <bglimm> kasei: If we only require GET and give the option to also implement the others

Gregory Williams: If we only require GET and give the option to also implement the others [ Scribe Assist by Birte Glimm ]

15:41:37 <bglimm> ... and describe this in the SDs?

Birte Glimm: ... and describe this in the SDs?

15:41:57 <bglimm> AndyS: But it is not just between a client and server

Andy Seaborne: But it is not just between a client and server [ Scribe Assist by Birte Glimm ]

15:42:11 <bglimm> ... to see iwhether GET works you might just have to try and see whether it works

Birte Glimm: ... to see iwhether GET works you might just have to try and see whether it works

15:42:32 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: What worries me is that we don't have any text there yet

Axel Polleres: What worries me is that we don't have any text there yet [ Scribe Assist by Birte Glimm ]

15:42:44 <bglimm> LeeF: But it is just one sentence in the Conformance section

Lee Feigenbaum: But it is just one sentence in the Conformance section [ Scribe Assist by Birte Glimm ]

15:43:19 <SteveH> I don't think we have a easy way to implement direct POST

Steve Harris: I don't think we have a easy way to implement direct POST

15:43:37 <bglimm> .... The client doesn't have to implement all three, only the server

Birte Glimm: .... The client doesn't have to implement all three, only the server

15:44:21 <bglimm> LeeF, could you scribe the proposed text?

Birte Glimm: LeeF, could you scribe the proposed text?

15:44:25 <AxelPolleres> Server MUST implement all forms, client MUST� implement one form to be compliant

Axel Polleres: Server MUST implement all forms, client MUST� implement one form to be conformant

15:44:58 <AxelPolleres> s/compliant/conformant/
15:44:58 <bglimm> LeeF: Is anybody really worried if we have MUST for all three forms for the sever?

Lee Feigenbaum: Is anybody really worried if we have MUST for all three forms for the sever? [ Scribe Assist by Birte Glimm ]

15:45:31 <bglimm> Steve: The problem we have is that the HTTP server is custom code. We would have to add another one apart from GET and POST

Steve Harris: The problem we have is that the HTTP server is custom code. We would have to add another one apart from GET and POST [ Scribe Assist by Birte Glimm ]

15:45:36 <bglimm> ... not a real blocker

Birte Glimm: ... not a real blocker

15:47:23 <AxelPolleres> discussion about motivation for direct POST

Axel Polleres: discussion about motivation for direct POST

15:47:47 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: LeeF, will you draft a text and email that?

Axel Polleres: LeeF, will you draft a text and email that? [ Scribe Assist by Birte Glimm ]

15:48:05 <bglimm> LeeF: Yes, I'll mail it and we can see whether there are objections to that

Lee Feigenbaum: Yes, I'll mail it and we can see whether there are objections to that [ Scribe Assist by Birte Glimm ]

15:48:47 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: Putting that text at risk doesn't really help us

Axel Polleres: Putting that text at risk doesn't really help us [ Scribe Assist by Birte Glimm ]

15:49:55 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Lee to �draft conformance text on the mailinglist which we put into the publication of protocol, unless objections (adendum to resolution http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-12-20#resolution_6)

PROPOSED: Lee to �draft conformance text on the mailinglist which we put into the publication of protocol, unless objections (adendum to resolution http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-12-20#resolution_6)

15:50:15 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: Would this address Thomas comment?

Axel Polleres: Would this address Thomas comment? [ Scribe Assist by Birte Glimm ]

15:50:51 <bglimm> LeeF: There is a fair amount of work to be done, but should be ok

Lee Feigenbaum: There is a fair amount of work to be done, but should be ok [ Scribe Assist by Birte Glimm ]

15:51:05 <bglimm> +1 to the proposal

Birte Glimm: +1 to the proposal

15:51:32 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Lee to draft conformance text on the mailinglist which we put into the publication of protocol, unless objections (adendum to resolution http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-12-20#resolution_6)

RESOLVED: Lee to draft conformance text on the mailinglist which we put into the publication of protocol, unless objections (adendum to resolution http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-12-20#resolution_6)

15:51:34 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: No objections?

Axel Polleres: No objections? [ Scribe Assist by Birte Glimm ]

15:52:02 <bglimm> AxelPollere: Lee, will you have any time to work on the publication?

Axel Polleres: Lee, will you have any time to work on the publication? [ Scribe Assist by Birte Glimm ]

15:52:09 <bglimm> LeeF: Not sure

Lee Feigenbaum: Not sure [ Scribe Assist by Birte Glimm ]

15:52:28 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: I'll try to look at the documents tomorrow evening

Axel Polleres: I'll try to look at the documents tomorrow evening [ Scribe Assist by Birte Glimm ]

15:52:52 <AxelPolleres> Axel: Lee, please take care of protocol, I will check all other docs tomorrow night.

Axel Polleres: Lee, please take care of protocol, I will check all other docs tomorrow night. [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

15:53:07 <AxelPolleres> adjourned

Axel Polleres: adjourned

15:53:07 <bglimm> adjourned

Birte Glimm: adjourned

15:53:37 <AxelPolleres> rrsagent, make records public

Axel Polleres: rrsagent, make records public

15:53:38 <bglimm> RRSAgent, make logs world

Birte Glimm: RRSAgent, make logs world

15:53:56 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2012/01/03-sparql-irc

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2012/01/03-sparql-irc



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