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15:01:08 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/12/06-sparql-irc
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15:01:10 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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15:01:12 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 77277
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15:01:13 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
15:01:13 <trackbot> Date: 06 December 2011
15:01:15 <cbuilara> zakim, ??P15 is me
Carlos Buil Aranda: zakim, ??P15 is me ←
15:01:16 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start now
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15:01:20 <Zakim> I already had ??P15 as ??P15, cbuilara
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15:01:24 <chimezie> Zakim, what is the passcode?
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, what is the passcode? ←
15:01:24 <Zakim> the conference code is 77277 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), chimezie
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 77277 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), chimezie ←
15:01:39 <AndyS> carlos - bad noise!
Andy Seaborne: carlos - bad noise! ←
15:01:52 <LeeF> Regrets - i'm at the w3c linked enterprise data workshop, will try to keep an eye on IRC here though
Lee Feigenbaum: Regrets - i'm at the w3c linked enterprise data workshop, will try to keep an eye on IRC here though ←
15:02:11 <AxelPolleres> chair: Axel
15:02:11 <AndyS> zakim, who is on the phone?
Andy Seaborne: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:02:11 <Zakim> I notice SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has restarted
Zakim IRC Bot: I notice SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has restarted ←
15:02:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see kasei, AndyS, MattPerry, Olivier, +3517073aaaa, chimezie
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see kasei, AndyS, MattPerry, Olivier, +3517073aaaa, chimezie ←
15:02:25 <Zakim> +??P30
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P30 ←
15:02:28 <kasei> Zakim, pick LeeF as a victim when he's not looking.
Gregory Williams: Zakim, pick LeeF as a victim when he's not looking. ←
15:02:28 <Zakim> I don't understand you, kasei
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand you, kasei ←
15:02:30 <AndyS> pgearon?
Andy Seaborne: pgearon? ←
15:02:30 <cbuilara> zakim, ??P30 is me
Carlos Buil Aranda: zakim, ??P30 is me ←
15:02:30 <Zakim> +cbuilara; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +cbuilara; got it ←
15:02:31 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?
Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:02:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see kasei, AndyS, MattPerry, Olivier, +3517073aaaa, chimezie, cbuilara
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see kasei, AndyS, MattPerry, Olivier, +3517073aaaa, chimezie, cbuilara ←
15:02:51 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, aaa is probably me
Axel Polleres: Zakim, aaa is probably me ←
15:02:51 <Zakim> sorry, AxelPolleres, I do not understand your question
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, AxelPolleres, I do not understand your question ←
15:03:06 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, aaaa is probably me
Axel Polleres: Zakim, aaaa is probably me ←
15:03:06 <Zakim> +AxelPolleres?; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AxelPolleres?; got it ←
15:03:15 <Zakim> +pgearon
Zakim IRC Bot: +pgearon ←
15:03:35 <AxelPolleres> scribe: paul gearon
(Scribe set to Paul Gearon)
15:03:52 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2011-12-06
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2011-12-06 ←
15:04:07 <AxelPolleres> topic: agenda
15:04:10 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-11-29
PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-11-29 ←
15:04:37 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-11-29
RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-11-29 ←
15:05:04 <AxelPolleres> probably regrets from me next week
Axel Polleres: probably regrets from me next week ←
15:05:43 <pgearon> member:identifier:axelpolleres: scribe for next week scheduled to be Birte or Olivier?
Scribe problem: the name 'member' does not match any of the 21 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Carlos Buil Aranda Olivier Corby Souripriya Das Orri Erling Jean-Pierre EVAIN Lee Feigenbaum Paul Gearon Birte Glimm Steve Harris Sandro Hawke Nicholas Humfrey Ivan Mikhailov Chimezie Ogbuji Alexandre Passant Matthew Perry Axel Polleres Andy Seaborne Gregory Williams Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown member: identifier:axelpolleres: scribe for next week scheduled to be Birte or Olivier? ←
15:06:14 <Zakim> +??P34
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P34 ←
15:06:16 <AxelPolleres> topic: RDF liaison
15:06:20 <swh> Zakim, ??p34 is me
Steve Harris: Zakim, ??p34 is me ←
15:06:21 <Zakim> +swh; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +swh; got it ←
15:06:51 <pgearon> AndyS: RDF WG working on prefix names. This is on the agenda to discuss
Andy Seaborne: RDF WG working on prefix names. This is on the agenda to discuss ←
15:07:16 <pgearon> AxelPolleres: schedule is dangerously tight. Appeal to editors
Axel Polleres: schedule is dangerously tight. Appeal to editors ←
15:07:21 <pgearon> topic: Query
15:07:45 <AxelPolleres> review birte addressed
Axel Polleres: review birte addressed ←
15:08:15 <pgearon> AndyS: editorial matters all done. Escape sequences to sort out. Aggregates in email, and Steve to sort out
Andy Seaborne: editorial matters all done. Escape sequences to sort out. Aggregates in email, and Steve to sort out ←
15:08:46 <pgearon> SteveH: stuff around pseudocode for aggregation still to be sorted, but other than that all under control
Steve Harris: stuff around pseudocode for aggregation still to be sorted, but other than that all under control ←
15:09:17 <pgearon> SteveH: likely to vote on publishing by next week
Steve Harris: likely to vote on publishing by next week ←
15:09:29 <pgearon> SteveH: if not by next week then it won't be this year
Steve Harris: if not by next week then it won't be this year ←
15:09:56 <AxelPolleres> aim at resolution to publish next week, pleeeease. :-)
Axel Polleres: aim at resolution to publish next week, pleeeease. :-) ←
15:10:11 <pgearon> AndyS: has some follow through to do after SteveH, so needs to hear from Steve as soon as aggregates are finished
Andy Seaborne: has some follow through to do after SteveH, so needs to hear from Steve as soon as aggregates are finished ←
15:11:18 <AxelPolleres> steve: birte and Andy please go over the pseudocode for aggregates again.
Steve Harris: birte and Andy please go over the pseudocode for aggregates again. [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
15:12:02 <pgearon> AxelPolleres: SteveH please send email to AndyS and Birte as soon as appropriate
Axel Polleres: SteveH please send email to AndyS and Birte as soon as appropriate ←
15:12:06 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, unmute me ←
15:12:06 <Zakim> chimezie was not muted, chimezie
Zakim IRC Bot: chimezie was not muted, chimezie ←
15:12:19 <AxelPolleres> topic: graph store protocol
15:12:22 <pgearon> topic: graph store protocol
15:12:49 <pgearon> chimezie: gone through most of the emails and updated.
Chimezie Ogbuji: gone through most of the emails and updated. ←
15:13:23 <AxelPolleres> question about multi-part PUT
Axel Polleres: question about multi-part PUT ←
15:13:26 <pgearon> chimezie: Thinks said something inappropriate about mutipart in an email to Ivan. Should this be addressed in a followup email?
Chimezie Ogbuji: Thinks said something inappropriate about mutipart in an email to Ivan. Should this be addressed in a followup email? ←
15:13:52 <AxelPolleres> Andy: he might have meant POST anyways (talks about forms)
Andy Seaborne: he might have meant POST anyways (talks about forms) [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
15:13:58 <pgearon> AndyS: Ivan mentioned PUT, but on re-reading thinks that he meant POST since it referred to forms
Andy Seaborne: Ivan mentioned PUT, but on re-reading thinks that he meant POST since it referred to forms ←
15:14:30 <pgearon> AndyS: SteveH - do you know if multipart PUT exists in the wild?
Andy Seaborne: SteveH - do you know if multipart PUT exists in the wild? ←
15:14:37 <pgearon> SteveH: doesn't think do
Steve Harris: soesn't think so ←
15:14:43 <pgearon> s/do/so/
15:15:00 <pgearon> chimezie: expect to be ready next week to go forward
Chimezie Ogbuji: expect to be ready next week to go forward ←
15:15:46 <pgearon> chimezie: made all modifications per the reviews, and don't have anything outstanding. Some comments may elicit responses, and may need to wait on these
Chimezie Ogbuji: made all modifications per the reviews, and don't have anything outstanding. Some comments may elicit responses, and may need to wait on these ←
15:16:21 <pgearon> chimezie: will send email to say that actions 563 and 564 were completed
Chimezie Ogbuji: will send email to say that actions 563 and 564 were completed ←
15:17:01 <kasei> I'm also holding off on a final run-through of the aggregates code.
Gregory Williams: I'm also holding off on a final run-through of the aggregates code. ←
15:17:09 <pgearon> AndyS: outstanding review on Query is from Birte on aggregates and she is working on that
Andy Seaborne: outstanding review on Query is from Birte on aggregates and she is working on that ←
15:17:40 <pgearon> topic: service description document
15:18:00 <chimezie> My review is done, just need to verify some links in SD doc and plan to send off before end of telecon or soon after
Chimezie Ogbuji: My review is done, just need to verify some links in SD doc and plan to send off before end of telecon or soon after ←
15:18:27 <pgearon> chimezie: about to send a service description review
Chimezie Ogbuji: about to send a service description review ←
15:18:49 <pgearon> AxelPolleres: expect to vote on this next week
Axel Polleres: expect to vote on this next week ←
15:18:59 <pgearon> topic: entailment document
15:19:23 <pgearon> AxelPolleres: still reviewing this myself. Should finish by today or tomorrow
Axel Polleres: still reviewing this myself. Should finish by today or tomorrow ←
15:19:29 <AxelPolleres> axel: review for entailment still open, don't expect critical issues
Axel Polleres: review for entailment still open, don't expect critical issues [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
15:19:58 <AxelPolleres> topic: update
15:20:11 <AxelPolleres> paul: I am going over MAtt's review this afternoon.
Paul Gearon: I am going over MAtt's review this afternoon. [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
15:20:24 <AxelPolleres> ... doc is ready to vote apart from that.
Axel Polleres: ... doc is ready to vote apart from that. ←
15:20:43 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, mute me ←
15:20:44 <Zakim> chimezie should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: chimezie should now be muted ←
15:20:45 <pgearon> topic: protocol document
15:20:58 <pgearon> kasei: were there any recent reviews?
Gregory Williams: were there any recent reviews? ←
15:21:20 <AxelPolleres> LeeF, is protocol ready for vote?
Axel Polleres: LeeF, is protocol ready for vote? ←
15:21:46 <AxelPolleres> greg: I will clean up references during this week.
Gregory Williams: I will clean up references during this week. [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
15:21:49 <pgearon> kasei: needs to clean up bibliography and citations throughout the document. Will be done this week.
Gregory Williams: needs to clean up bibliography and citations throughout the document. Will be done this week. ←
15:22:10 <AxelPolleres> we'll see whther the doc is ready for vote in a week as well.
Axel Polleres: we'll see whther the doc is ready for vote in a week as well. ←
15:22:37 <pgearon> AxelPolleres: results format quasi-ready for vote
Axel Polleres: results format quasi-ready for vote ←
15:22:44 <AxelPolleres> topic: other issues
15:23:10 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:DB-11a
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:DB-11a ←
15:23:27 <pgearon> AxelPolleres: 2 test cases that need approval for answering a comment DB-11a and draft response.
Axel Polleres: 2 test cases that need approval for answering a comment DB-11a and draft response. ←
15:23:55 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: approve test cases http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/bind/manifest#bind10 and http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/bind/manifest#bind11
PROPOSED: approve test cases http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/bind/manifest#bind10 and http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/bind/manifest#bind11 ←
15:24:04 <kasei> +1
Gregory Williams: +1 ←
15:24:08 <AndyS> +1
Andy Seaborne: +1 ←
15:24:15 <cbuilara> +1
Carlos Buil Aranda: +1 ←
15:24:28 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: approve test cases http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/bind/manifest#bind10 and http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/bind/manifest#bind11
RESOLVED: approve test cases http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/bind/manifest#bind10 and http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/bind/manifest#bind11 ←
15:25:25 <pgearon> AxelPolleres: go ahead on sending the response
Axel Polleres: go ahead on sending the response ←
15:25:55 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: mark approved test cases after the call
ACTION: mark approved test cases after the call ←
15:25:55 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - mark
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - mark ←
15:26:06 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to mark approved test cases after the call
ACTION: Axel to mark approved test cases after the call ←
15:26:07 <trackbot> Created ACTION-567 - Mark approved test cases after the call [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-12-13].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-567 - Mark approved test cases after the call [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-12-13]. ←
15:26:42 <pgearon> AxelPolleres: Birte's email on wanting IRI for OWL Full profile
Axel Polleres: Birte's email on wanting IRI for OWL Full profile ←
15:26:43 <chimezie> Zakim, who is here?
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, who is here? ←
15:26:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see kasei, AndyS, MattPerry, Olivier, AxelPolleres?, chimezie (muted), cbuilara, pgearon, swh
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see kasei, AndyS, MattPerry, Olivier, AxelPolleres?, chimezie (muted), cbuilara, pgearon, swh ←
15:26:45 <Zakim> On IRC I see iv_an_ru, chimezie, RRSAgent, AxelPolleres, MattPerry, Zakim, swh, cbuilara, MacTed, Olivier_, LeeF, AndyS, SteveH, pgearon, trackbot, NickH, ya, ericP, sandro, kasei
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see iv_an_ru, chimezie, RRSAgent, AxelPolleres, MattPerry, Zakim, swh, cbuilara, MacTed, Olivier_, LeeF, AndyS, SteveH, pgearon, trackbot, NickH, ya, ericP, sandro, kasei ←
15:26:46 <AndyS> Ivan said "done"
Andy Seaborne: Ivan said "done" ←
15:26:48 <AndyS> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011OctDec/0293.html
Andy Seaborne: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011OctDec/0293.html ←
15:27:51 <pgearon> AxelPolleres: AndyS proposal to modify grammar for prefixes
Axel Polleres: AndyS proposal to modify grammar for prefixes ←
15:28:25 <pgearon> AndyS: last week's RDF WG call voted to accept character escapes in prefix names
Andy Seaborne: last week's RDF WG call voted to accept character escapes in prefix names ←
15:29:00 <AxelPolleres> rationale is e.g. generated URIs or facebook's graph protocol
Axel Polleres: rationale is e.g. generated URIs or facebook's graph protocol ←
15:29:20 <pgearon> AndyS: justified because open graph protocol from Facebook uses colons, and some others use =
Andy Seaborne: justified because open graph protocol from Facebook uses colons, and some others use = ←
15:29:36 <pgearon> AndyS: part 2 - to and fro around % encoding
Andy Seaborne: part 2 - to and fro around % encoding ←
15:30:14 <pgearon> AndyS: proposal to add %HEXHEX in local part of names
Andy Seaborne: proposal to add %HEXHEX in local part of names ←
15:30:44 <pgearon> AndyS: neither of these are any more than changes to tokenizing. Test code didn't break anything
Andy Seaborne: neither of these are any more than changes to tokenizing. Test code didn't break anything ←
15:31:11 <pgearon> AxelPolleres: proposal to add these changes marked as "At Risk"
Axel Polleres: proposal to add these changes marked as "At Risk" ←
15:31:44 <pgearon> AndyS: first one is almost certain. Less certain about the second, but thinks it is very likely
Andy Seaborne: first one is almost certain. Less certain about the second, but thinks it is very likely ←
15:32:35 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: As an AT-RISK change to the current grammar we allow the set of character escapes for the local part of prefix names is ~.-!$&'()*+,;=:/?#@%_ (token: PN_LOCAL); i.e., the set of URI-legal, non-alphanumerics (path, query and fragment) -
PROPOSED: As an AT-RISK change to the current grammar we allow the set of character escapes for the local part of prefix names is ~.-!$&'()*+,;=:/?#@%_ (token: PN_LOCAL); i.e., the set of URI-legal, non-alphanumerics (path, query and fragment) - ←
15:32:48 <AndyS> seconded
Andy Seaborne: seconded ←
15:32:59 <kasei> +q
Gregory Williams: +q ←
15:33:28 <AxelPolleres> greg: PN_LOCAL is also used for bnode labels
Gregory Williams: PN_LOCAL is also used for bnode labels [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
15:33:57 <pgearon> AndyS: not proposing to change blank nodes. Thanks for catching that
Andy Seaborne: not proposing to change blank nodes. Thanks for catching that ←
15:34:03 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: As an AT-RISK change to the current grammar we allow the set of character escapes for the local part of prefix names is ~.-!$&'()*+,;=:/?#@%_ i.e., the set of URI-legal, non-alphanumerics (path, query and fragment) -
PROPOSED: As an AT-RISK change to the current grammar we allow the set of character escapes for the local part of prefix names is ~.-!$&'()*+,;=:/?#@%_ i.e., the set of URI-legal, non-alphanumerics (path, query and fragment) - ←
15:34:51 <AxelPolleres> +1
Axel Polleres: +1 ←
15:34:54 <pgearon> +1
+1 ←
15:35:04 <kasei> -q
Gregory Williams: -q ←
15:35:11 <AndyS> seconded
Andy Seaborne: seconded ←
15:35:26 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: As an AT-RISK change to the current grammar we allow the set of character escapes for the local part of prefix names is ~.-!$&'()*+,;=:/?#@%_ i.e., the set of URI-legal, non-alphanumerics (path, query and fragment) -
RESOLVED: As an AT-RISK change to the current grammar we allow the set of character escapes for the local part of prefix names is ~.-!$&'()*+,;=:/?#@%_ i.e., the set of URI-legal, non-alphanumerics (path, query and fragment) - ←
15:35:45 <AxelPolleres> (3 seconded, no abstentions or objections)
Axel Polleres: (3 seconded, no abstentions or objections) ←
15:35:54 <pgearon> AndyS: will communicate back to the RDF WG editors what we've done
Andy Seaborne: will communicate back to the RDF WG editors what we've done ←
15:36:24 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: As an AT-RISK change to the current grammar we allow character sequences of the form "% HEX HEX" in the local part of prefixed names.
PROPOSED: As an AT-RISK change to the current grammar we allow character sequences of the form "% HEX HEX" in the local part of prefixed names. ←
15:36:40 <AndyS> seconded
Andy Seaborne: seconded ←
15:36:42 <AxelPolleres> +1
Axel Polleres: +1 ←
15:36:46 <pgearon> +1
+1 ←
15:36:59 <MattPerry> +1
Matthew Perry: +1 ←
15:37:08 <AxelPolleres> +1
Axel Polleres: +1 ←
15:37:13 <cbuilara> +1
Carlos Buil Aranda: +1 ←
15:37:19 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: As an AT-RISK change to the current grammar we allow character sequences of the form "% HEX HEX" in the local part of prefixed names.
RESOLVED: As an AT-RISK change to the current grammar we allow character sequences of the form "% HEX HEX" in the local part of prefixed names. ←
15:37:50 <AxelPolleres> (7 seconded, no abstentions, no objections)
Axel Polleres: (7 seconded, no abstentions, no objections) ←
15:38:05 <pgearon> AndyS: noting that this means you can't reverse URIs into IRIs reliably
Andy Seaborne: noting that this means you can't reverse URIs into IRIs reliably ←
15:38:14 <pgearon> +q
+q ←
15:38:16 <AndyS> ... which is an RFC issue
Andy Seaborne: ... which is an RFC issue ←
15:39:10 <pgearon> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:RC-4
http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:RC-4 ←
15:39:37 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2011Dec/0007.html
Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2011Dec/0007.html ←
15:42:40 <AxelPolleres> Paul: reading richard's response, he seems unsatisfied tht someone can obfuscate an update command, however, if someone has permissions to do the update, then it doesn't matter whether this is obfuscated or not.
Paul Gearon: reading richard's response, he seems unsatisfied tht someone can obfuscate an update command, however, if someone has permissions to do the update, then it doesn't matter whether this is obfuscated or not. [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
15:42:55 <AxelPolleres> ... so I don't consider that a security issue
Axel Polleres: ... so I don't consider that a security issue ←
15:43:50 <kasei> q+
Gregory Williams: q+ ←
15:44:00 <AxelPolleres> Andy: WG by charter has a strong hint not to do changes that affect SPARQL1.0, that's what we should answer.
Andy Seaborne: WG by charter has a strong hint not to do changes that affect SPARQL1.0, that's what we should answer. [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
15:45:17 <AxelPolleres> q+
Axel Polleres: q+ ←
15:46:06 <AxelPolleres> q+ to ask whether we could not simply address this by adding his example to the Appendix on Security?
Axel Polleres: q+ to ask whether we could not simply address this by adding his example to the Appendix on Security? ←
15:46:11 <pgearon> kasei: don't think Richard is asking for changes to SPARQL 1.0 queries, only wants SPARQL 1.1 to be updated
Gregory Williams: don't think Richard is asking for changes to SPARQL 1.0 queries, only wants SPARQL 1.1 to be updated ←
15:46:19 <pgearon> +q
+q ←
15:46:29 <AxelPolleres> ... so not necessarily a bw-compatibility issue
Axel Polleres: ... so not necessarily a bw-compatibility issue ←
15:47:10 <AxelPolleres> Paul: i agree, but I prefer to keep the update and query grammars close.
Paul Gearon: i agree, but I prefer to keep the update and query grammars close. [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
15:48:23 <LeeF> In other cases we've called small changes to SPARQL 1.0 a "bug fix" - I think if we all feel that Richard has a valid point that it's reasonable to do the same thing here
Lee Feigenbaum: In other cases we've called small changes to SPARQL 1.0 a "bug fix" - I think if we all feel that Richard has a valid point that it's reasonable to do the same thing here ←
15:49:07 <pgearon> AxelPolleres: suggest adding a sentence in Security Considerations that mentions this, but we don't want to change the grammar
Axel Polleres: suggest adding a sentence in Security Considerations that mentions this, but we don't want to change the grammar ←
15:50:06 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Paul to draft a reply along these lines and put a sentence into the Update Appendix on Sec. Considerations.
ACTION: Paul to draft a reply along these lines and put a sentence into the Update Appendix on Sec. Considerations. ←
15:50:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-568 - Draft a reply along these lines and put a sentence into the Update Appendix on Sec. Considerations. [on Paul Gearon - due 2011-12-13].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-568 - Draft a reply along these lines and put a sentence into the Update Appendix on Sec. Considerations. [on Paul Gearon - due 2011-12-13]. ←
15:50:18 <pgearon> I will put a sentence into the Update document security section, and will draft a response describing this
I will put a sentence into the Update document security section, and will draft a response describing this ←
15:50:43 <pgearon> topic: schedule
15:50:48 <AndyS> AndyS: No technical barriers but impact on schedule.
Andy Seaborne: No technical barriers but impact on schedule. [ Scribe Assist by Andy Seaborne ] ←
15:50:59 <pgearon> AxelPolleres: insisting that we publish by Christmas or over Christmas
Axel Polleres: insisting that we publish by Christmas or over Christmas ←
15:51:56 <pgearon> AxelPolleres: want to publish CVS and TSV docs by Mid February
Axel Polleres: want to publish CVS and TSV docs by Mid February ←
15:52:05 <pgearon> get everything to PR by April
get everything to CR by April ←
15:52:14 <pgearon> s/PR/CR/
15:52:39 <AndyS> q+ to ask what is the min CR if we did a CR
Andy Seaborne: q+ to ask what is the min CR if we did a CR ←
15:52:49 <kasei> q-
Gregory Williams: q- ←
15:52:59 <pgearon> AxelPolleres: could get us to rec by end of June, but will be tight
Axel Polleres: could get us to rec by end of June, but will be tight ←
15:52:59 <AxelPolleres> q-
Axel Polleres: q- ←
15:53:28 <pgearon> AndyS: minimum LC period is 3 weeks. Wondering what minimum CR period is?
Andy Seaborne: minimum LC period is 3 weeks. Wondering what minimum CR period is? ←
15:54:48 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to check with Lee and sandro about CR minimum comments period, and also about standard text we could put into LCs that might NOT go through CR. "this doc has already implementations as follows and might go directly to PR... "
ACTION: Axel to check with Lee and sandro about CR minimum comments period, and also about standard text we could put into LCs that might NOT go through CR. "this doc has already implementations as follows and might go directly to PR... " ←
15:54:49 <trackbot> Created ACTION-569 - Check with Lee and sandro about CR minimum comments period, and also about standard text we could put into LCs that might NOT go through CR. "this doc has already implementations as follows and might go directly to PR... " [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-12-13].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-569 - Check with Lee and sandro about CR minimum comments period, and also about standard text we could put into LCs that might NOT go through CR. "this doc has already implementations as follows and might go directly to PR... " [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-12-13]. ←
15:55:44 <pgearon> AxelPolleres: one last point on service description review, re RFC wording of MUST SHOULD and MAIN
Axel Polleres: one last point on service description review, re RFC wording of MUST SHOULD and MAY ←
15:55:52 <pgearon> s/MAIN/MAY/
15:55:58 <pgearon> +q
+q ←
15:56:06 <AndyS> ack me
Andy Seaborne: ack me ←
15:56:07 <Zakim> AndyS, you wanted to ask what is the min CR if we did a CR
Zakim IRC Bot: AndyS, you wanted to ask what is the min CR if we did a CR ←
15:56:13 <kasei> q+
Gregory Williams: q+ ←
15:56:53 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to check RFC wording for MUST SHOULD, MAY across docs.
ACTION: Axel to check RFC wording for MUST SHOULD, MAY across docs. ←
15:56:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-570 - Check RFC wording for MUST SHOULD, MAY across docs. [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-12-13].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-570 - Check RFC wording for MUST SHOULD, MAY across docs. [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-12-13]. ←
15:57:26 <pgearon> q-
q- ←
15:58:41 <AxelPolleres> ACTION-570: suggestion is to standardize on the <rfc2119> tag
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Unknown ACTION-570: suggestion is to standardize on the <rfc2119> tag [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
15:58:41 <trackbot> ACTION-570 Check RFC wording for MUST SHOULD, MAY across docs. notes added
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-570 Check RFC wording for MUST SHOULD, MAY across docs. notes added ←
15:59:06 <kasei> q-
Gregory Williams: q- ←
15:59:07 <pgearon> kasei: suggests working with the rfc2119 tag as well
Gregory Williams: suggests working with the rfc2119 tag as well ←
15:59:13 <Zakim> -MattPerry
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15:59:17 <Zakim> -chimezie
Zakim IRC Bot: -chimezie ←
15:59:17 <chimezie> bye
Chimezie Ogbuji: bye ←
15:59:19 <MattPerry> \quit
Matthew Perry: \quit ←
15:59:20 <AxelPolleres> adjourned
Axel Polleres: adjourned ←
15:59:22 <Zakim> -cbuilara
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15:59:23 <Zakim> -swh
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15:59:26 <Zakim> -kasei
Zakim IRC Bot: -kasei ←
15:59:28 <Zakim> -pgearon
Zakim IRC Bot: -pgearon ←
15:59:29 <AxelPolleres> rrsagent, make records public
Axel Polleres: rrsagent, make records public ←
15:59:32 <Zakim> -Olivier
Zakim IRC Bot: -Olivier ←
15:59:45 <AndyS> swh - did you want to talk?
Andy Seaborne: swh - did you want to talk? ←
15:59:50 <Zakim> -AxelPolleres?
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15:59:52 <AndyS> SteveH - did you want to talk?
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16:00:33 <Zakim> -AndyS
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16:00:34 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended
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16:00:36 <Zakim> Attendees were kasei, AndyS, MattPerry, Olivier, +3517073aaaa, chimezie, cbuilara, AxelPolleres?, pgearon, swh
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16:01:45 <pgearon> e.g. <!ENTITY MUST "<rfc2119>MUST</rfc2119>">
e.g. <!ENTITY MUST "<rfc2119>MUST</rfc2119>"> ←
16:02:22 <kasei> yeah. I think I'm the only one actually using them, though.
Gregory Williams: yeah. I think I'm the only one actually using them, though. ←
16:02:25 <AxelPolleres> I still sw some different formattings when checking quickly,will just have a quick look over...
Axel Polleres: I still sw some different formattings when checking quickly,will just have a quick look over... ←
16:02:34 <AxelPolleres> ok, that explains it :-)
Axel Polleres: ok, that explains it :-) ←
16:03:02 <pgearon> yes, I'm just looking at the service description doc. Was about to check some others :-)
yes, I'm just looking at the service description doc. Was about to check some others :-) ←
16:03:03 <kasei> well, it may explain it. formatting would be the same whether you used the entity or directly wrote <rfc2119>MUST</rfc2119>
Gregory Williams: well, it may explain it. formatting would be the same whether you used the entity or directly wrote <rfc2119>MUST</rfc2119> ←
16:03:25 <pgearon> if the entities are there, then it seems silly not to be using them
if the entities are there, then it seems silly not to be using them ←
16:04:45 <pgearon> the entities are currently in: entailment federation, json-results, property-paths, query, service description, sparql11 overview, and update
the entities are currently in: entailment federation, json-results, property-paths, query, service description, sparql11 overview, and update ←
16:05:18 <pgearon> though some of these docs only have one or two of the entities in them, rather than all of them
though some of these docs only have one or two of the entities in them, rather than all of them ←
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