SPARQL Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 13 September 2011

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2011-09-13
Seen
Alexandre Passant, Andy Seaborne, Axel Polleres, Birte Glimm, Carlos Buil Aranda, Chimezie Ogbuji, Gregory Williams, Lee Feigenbaum, Matthew Perry, Nicholas Humfrey, Paul Gearon, Sandro Hawke, Steve Harris
Regrets
Alexandre Passant, Paul Gearon
Chair
Axel Polleres
Scribe
Andy Seaborne
IRC Log
Original and Editable Wiki Version
Resolutions
  1. Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-08-23 link
Topics
13:57:57 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
13:57:57 <trackbot> Date: 13 September 2011
13:58:06 <sandro> kasei, definitely worth talking about explicitely.

Sandro Hawke: kasei, definitely worth talking about explicitely.

13:58:24 <AxelPolleres> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2011-09-13
13:58:34 <AxelPolleres> chair: Axel Polleres
13:58:50 <AxelPolleres> regrets: Alexandre Passant, Paul Gearon
13:58:50 <AxelPolleres> (Paul Gearon - partial regrets - joined later)

Axel Polleres: (Paul Gearon - partial regrets - joined later)

14:00:18 <NickH> appologies, I am going to miss this call due to another meeting

Nicholas Humfrey: appologies, I am going to miss this call due to another meeting

14:02:07 <AndyS> scribe: Andy

(Scribe set to Andy Seaborne)

14:02:16 <AndyS> scribenick: AndyS
14:02:31 <AndyS> topic: Admin

1. Admin

14:02:31 <AxelPolleres> zakim, who is on the phone?

Axel Polleres: zakim, who is on the phone?

14:02:35 <chimezie> Zakim, +1.216.368.aadd is me

Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, +1.216.368.aadd is me

14:02:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see kasei, Sandro, AxelPolleres, AndyS, SteveH, Alex, MattPerry, +1.216.368.aadd

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see kasei, Sandro, AxelPolleres, AndyS, SteveH, Alex, MattPerry, +1.216.368.aadd

14:03:32 <AndyS> Telecon series reboot after the "summer"

Telecon series reboot after the "summer"

14:03:50 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-08-23

PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-08-23

14:04:11 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-08-23

RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-08-23

14:04:34 <AndyS> Next regular meeting: 2011-09-20 @ 15:00 UK / 10:00 EST

Next regular meeting: 2011-09-20 @ 15:00 UK / 10:00 EST

14:05:19 <AxelPolleres> Andy: current RDF issues are on a poll on lang tagged literals, syntax issues.

Andy Seaborne: current RDF issues are on a poll on lang tagged literals, syntax issues. [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

14:05:20 <AndyS> topic: RDF coordination

2. RDF coordination

14:05:20 <AndyS> AndyS: 3 areas

Andy Seaborne: 3 areas

14:05:58 <AndyS> ... 1/ Lang tag literals poll happening

... 1/ Lang tag literals poll happening

14:06:16 <AndyS> ... 2/ Desire for work on graphs and graph terminology

... 2/ Desire for work on graphs and graph terminology

14:06:49 <AndyS> ... 3/ No progress on Turtle syntax

... 3/ No progress on Turtle syntax

14:09:41 <AndyS> ... Critical issue is WG note in query LC doc

... Critical issue is WG note in query LC doc

14:09:41 <AxelPolleres> Andy: all abstract model issue can go to the compatibility document, but we need the issues in the red boxes in our LC draft fixed.

Andy Seaborne: all abstract model issue can go to the compatibility document, but we need the issues in the red boxes in our LC draft fixed. [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

14:09:56 <AndyS> ... http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/rq25.xml#grammar

... http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/rq25.xml#grammar

14:10:57 <AndyS> Topic: Publications

3. Publications

14:11:15 <AndyS> JSON, CSV/TSV can publish today

JSON, CSV/TSV can publish today

14:11:37 <AndyS> Sandro: just JSON

Sandro Hawke: just JSON

14:11:42 <AndyS> ... not CSV/TSV

... not CSV/TSV

14:12:04 <AndyS> Axel: Prefer to publish together ... JSON and CSV/TSV

Axel Polleres: Prefer to publish together ... JSON and CSV/TSV

14:12:21 <AndyS> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/csv-tsv-results/WD-csv-tsv-2011-08.html

http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/csv-tsv-results/WD-csv-tsv-2011-08.html

14:12:44 <AndyS> Editors working copy: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/csv-tsv-results/results-csv-tsv.html

Editors working copy: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/csv-tsv-results/results-csv-tsv.html

14:13:17 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-07-26#resolution_2

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-07-26#resolution_2

14:14:13 <AndyS> Axel to send Sandro the confirmation email.

Axel to send Sandro the confirmation email.

14:14:31 <AndyS> Sandro: will try to get these out today or Thursday.

Sandro Hawke: will try to get these out today or Thursday.

14:14:39 <AndyS> Axel: Announcements ...

Axel Polleres: Announcements ...

14:15:15 <AndyS> Sandro: auto to W3C front page, nowhere else.  I will ping the WG when it's on the W3C home page.

Sandro Hawke: auto to W3C front page, nowhere else. I will ping the WG when it's on the W3C home page.

14:15:34 <AndyS> Axel: I can then send to semantic-web@w3c.org

Axel Polleres: I can then send to semantic-web@w3c.org

14:15:44 <AxelPolleres> ACTION; Axel to announce publications on semantic web list as soon as they're out

Axel Polleres: ACTION; Axel to announce publications on semantic web list as soon as they're out

14:16:05 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to announce publications on semantic web list as soon as they're out

ACTION: Axel to announce publications on semantic web list as soon as they're out

14:16:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-529 - Announce publications on semantic web list as soon as they're out [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-09-20].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-529 - Announce publications on semantic web list as soon as they're out [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-09-20].

14:16:35 <AndyS> Axel: documents

Axel Polleres: documents

14:16:35 <AndyS> ... pending publication

... pending publication

14:17:16 <AndyS> ... status?

... status?

14:16:23 <AndyS> Topic: Federated query

4. Federated query

14:17:42 <AndyS> See action 514 -- http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/514

See ACTION-514 -- http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/514

14:18:22 <AndyS> Carlos: Mostly complete, outstanding Q on IRIs in SERVICE : what to do on error.

Carlos Buil Aranda: Mostly complete, outstanding Q on IRIs in SERVICE : what to do on error.

14:18:44 <cbuilara> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011JulSep/0221.html

Carlos Buil Aranda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011JulSep/0221.html

14:18:56 <AndyS> Axel: was going to look at this - not done yet - will do soon

Axel Polleres: was going to look at this - not done yet - will do soon

14:20:38 <AndyS> greg: Big issue - needs sorting before LC

Gregory Williams: Big issue - needs sorting before LC

14:20:53 <AndyS> Topic: Overview document

5. Overview document

14:21:52 <AndyS> Axel: some work needed

Axel Polleres: some work needed

14:22:39 <AndyS> ... publish as FPWD

... publish as FPWD

14:22:49 <AndyS> ... with not all comments incorporated

... with not all comments incorporated

14:23:08 <AndyS> ... can't guanantee to do all in next week

... can't guanantee to do all in next week

14:23:13 <AndyS> ... this is not LC

... this is not LC

14:24:19 <AndyS> Topic: Protocol

6. Protocol

14:24:27 <AndyS> Lee: Work in progress

Lee Feigenbaum: Work in progress

14:24:56 <AndyS> Axel: schedule? Can we do a joint publication with the other docs?

Axel Polleres: schedule? Can we do a joint publication with the other docs?

14:25:22 <AndyS> Lee: unsure about finding time to do the work ... next week would be "at risk"

Lee Feigenbaum: unsure about finding time to do the work ... next week would be "at risk"

14:26:08 <AndyS> Topic: Other docs, other issues

7. Other docs, other issues

14:26:44 <AndyS> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments

http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments

14:28:50 <AndyS> SteveH: no noted critical issues for query/aggregation

Steve Harris: no noted critical issues for query/aggregation

14:29:10 <AndyS> AndyS: Some issues in email -- need WG discussion and decisions

Andy Seaborne: Some issues in email -- need WG discussion and decisions

14:29:48 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: axel to check update comments (with paul/alex) and summarize critical issues, if any on mail

ACTION: axel to check update comments (with paul/alex) and summarize critical issues, if any on mail

14:29:49 <trackbot> Created ACTION-530 - Check update comments (with paul/alex) and summarize critical issues, if any on mail [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-09-20].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-530 - Check update comments (with paul/alex) and summarize critical issues, if any on mail [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-09-20].

14:29:56 <AndyS> Axel: Will check update comments

Axel Polleres: Will check update comments

14:30:04 <bglimm> muted

Birte Glimm: muted

14:30:08 <AndyS> axel: Entailment?

Axel Polleres: Entailment?

14:30:09 <bglimm> ZAkim, unmute me

Birte Glimm: ZAkim, unmute me

14:30:09 <Zakim> bglimm should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should no longer be muted

14:30:18 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me

14:30:18 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted

14:30:24 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, unmute me

14:30:24 <Zakim> bglimm should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should no longer be muted

14:30:58 <AndyS> Michael Schneider comments ... email sent to WG

Michael Schneider comments ... email sent to WG

14:31:55 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:MS-4

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:MS-4

14:32:03 <AndyS> Birte: MS-4 -- MUST -> SHOULD change

Birte Glimm: MS-4 -- MUST -> SHOULD change

14:34:06 <AndyS> .. issue is cost of "must" detection and explaining to users

.. issue is cost of "must" detection and explaining to users

14:37:00 <Zakim> +pgearon

Zakim IRC Bot: +pgearon

14:45:21 <AndyS> (discussion about D-entailment and datatype map)

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(discussion about D-entailment and datatype map)

14:46:51 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me

14:46:51 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted

14:46:56 <AndyS> Axel: Service description?

Axel Polleres: Service description?

14:47:10 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me

Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, unmute me

14:47:10 <Zakim> chimezie should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: chimezie should no longer be muted

14:47:18 <AndyS> kasei: a couple of outstanding comments - nothing critical

Gregory Williams: a couple of outstanding comments - nothing critical

14:47:55 <AndyS> chimezie: need to check for substantive changes - outstanding drafts

Chimezie Ogbuji: need to check for substantive changes - outstanding drafts

14:48:23 <chimezie> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:IM-1

Chimezie Ogbuji: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:IM-1

14:49:02 <AndyS> Oustanding -- IM-1, DB-3, SJ-1

Oustanding -- IM-1, DB-3, SJ-1

14:49:12 <chimezie> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:SJ-1

Chimezie Ogbuji: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:SJ-1

14:49:17 <AndyS> IM-1 has substantive change

IM-1 has substantive change

14:50:23 <AndyS> Multipart PUT and POST with the graph store protocol

Multipart PUT and POST with the graph store protocol

14:51:11 <AndyS> chimezie: will email to argue not substantive change

Chimezie Ogbuji: will email to argue not substantive change

14:51:57 <AndyS> Topic: Other matters

8. Other matters

14:52:07 <AndyS> Axel: actions list

Axel Polleres: actions list

14:52:38 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-525

Axel Polleres: close ACTION-525

14:52:38 <trackbot> ACTION-525 Fix references in http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/sparql11-overview/ closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-525 Fix references in http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/sparql11-overview/ closed

14:53:26 <kasei> 528 can be closed.

Gregory Williams: 528 can be closed.

14:54:06 <LeeF> yup, thanks :)

Lee Feigenbaum: yup, thanks :)

14:54:23 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-528

Axel Polleres: close ACTION-528

14:54:23 <trackbot> ACTION-528 Create new "collective" manifests at the granularity of spec conformance (query, update, entailment, fed query, json results, ...) closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-528 Create new "collective" manifests at the granularity of spec conformance (query, update, entailment, fed query, json results, ...) closed

14:54:26 <AndyS> kasei: will summarise the outcome of action 528

Gregory Williams: will summarise the outcome of ACTION-528

14:55:43 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-416

Axel Polleres: close ACTION-416

14:55:43 <trackbot> ACTION-416 Ping greg for review as soon as Update formal semantics is ready closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-416 Ping greg for review as soon as Update formal semantics is ready closed

14:56:14 <AndyS> we need to formally close issues (next week?)

we need to formally close issues (next week?)

14:57:19 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-508

Axel Polleres: close ACTION-508

14:57:19 <trackbot> ACTION-508 Work with editors & team (Ivan) to publish CSV/TSV and JSON results closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-508 Work with editors & team (Ivan) to publish CSV/TSV and JSON results closed

14:58:16 <AndyS> (discussion re action 503)

(discussion re ACTION-503)

14:58:36 <AndyS> ... Results format XSLT

... Results format XSLT

14:58:57 <AndyS> sandro: /TR/ is immutable, other things can be changed

Sandro Hawke: /TR/ is immutable, other things can be changed

14:59:18 <AndyS> rrsagent, make logs public

rrsagent, make logs public

14:59:31 <AndyS> ** ADJOURNED **

** ADJOURNED **

14:59:33 <bglimm> bye

Birte Glimm: bye

14:59:35 <MattPerry> bye

Matthew Perry: bye

14:59:35 <Zakim> -chimezie

Zakim IRC Bot: -chimezie

14:59:36 <Zakim> -cbuilara

Zakim IRC Bot: -cbuilara

14:59:39 <Zakim> -Alex

Zakim IRC Bot: -Alex

14:59:40 <Zakim> -MattPerry

Zakim IRC Bot: -MattPerry

14:59:42 <Zakim> -bglimm

Zakim IRC Bot: -bglimm

14:59:43 <Zakim> -SteveH

Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveH

14:59:50 <AxelPolleres> thansk andy for scribing!

Axel Polleres: thansk andy for scribing!

14:59:57 <Zakim> -pgearon

Zakim IRC Bot: -pgearon

14:59:58 <Zakim> -Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro

15:00:20 <Zakim> -AxelPolleres

Zakim IRC Bot: -AxelPolleres

15:00:30 <Zakim> -kasei

Zakim IRC Bot: -kasei

15:01:25 <Zakim> +Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro

15:01:33 <AndyS> zakim, who is on the phone?

zakim, who is on the phone?

15:01:33 <Zakim> On the phone I see AndyS, LeeF, Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see AndyS, LeeF, Sandro

15:05:42 <Zakim> -LeeF

Zakim IRC Bot: -LeeF

15:15:32 <Zakim> -AndyS

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Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS

15:15:33 <Zakim> -Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro

15:15:33 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended

15:15:35 <Zakim> Attendees were kasei, Sandro, +34.56.97565.aaaa, +49.897.aabb, AxelPolleres, cbuilara, AndyS, Alex, SteveH, +1.603.897.aacc, MattPerry, chimezie, LeeF, bglimm, pgearon

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were kasei, Sandro, +34.56.97565.aaaa, +49.897.aabb, AxelPolleres, cbuilara, AndyS, Alex, SteveH, +1.603.897.aacc, MattPerry, chimezie, LeeF, bglimm, pgearon

15:25:23 <kasei> POST /sparql/?default-graph-uri=http://another.example/calendar.rdf HTTP/1.1

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Gregory Williams: POST /sparql/?default-graph-uri=http://another.example/calendar.rdf HTTP/1.1

15:25:33 <kasei> does the default graph uri in there need to be escaped?

Gregory Williams: does the default graph uri in there need to be escaped?

15:36:36 <AndyS> kasei, yes

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kasei, yes

15:36:55 <AndyS> minimum is escape the ":" IIRC

minimum is escape the ":" IIRC

15:37:08 <kasei> ok, thanks Andy

Gregory Williams: ok, thanks Andy



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