SPARQL Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 26 July 2011

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2011-07-26
Seen
Alexandre Passant, Andy Seaborne, Axel Polleres, Birte Glimm, Carlos Buil Aranda, Gregory Williams, Lee Feigenbaum, Matthew Perry, Nicholas Humfrey, Olivier Corby, Paul Gearon, Steve Harris, Unknown AxelPolleres?
Regrets
Olivier Corby, Birte Glimm, Lee Feigenbaum
Chair
Axel Polleres
Scribe
Andy Seaborne, Steve Harris
IRC Log
Original and Editable Wiki Version
Resolutions
  1. Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-07-12 link
  2. Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/csv-tsv-results/results-csv-tsv.html as FPWD at http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-results-csv-tsv/ at next possible publication date (ie. pending completion of . ACTION-499) link
  3. Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/json-results/json-results-lc.html as LC WD at http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-results-json/ (ie. pending completion of ACTION-499) link
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13:56:30 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
13:56:30 <trackbot> Date: 26 July 2011
13:56:50 <AxelPolleres> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2011-07-26
13:57:11 <AxelPolleres> chair: Axel Polleres
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13:57:53 <NickH> Zakim, mute me

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13:57:57 <NickH> heh

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13:59:08 <kasei> Zakim, aaaa is me

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13:59:45 <NickH> I can here you

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13:59:50 <NickH> hear

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13:59:57 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, aabb is probably me

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14:00:11 <cbuilara> zakim, ??P12 is me

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14:00:11 <Zakim> +cbuilara; got it

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14:00:11 <AndyS> zakim, ??P12 is me

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14:00:13 <Zakim> I already had ??P12 as cbuilara, AndyS

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14:00:19 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?

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14:00:20 <Zakim> On the phone I see NickH (muted), kasei, AxelPolleres?, cbuilara, ??P15

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14:00:22 <AndyS> zakim, ??P15 is me

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14:00:24 <Zakim> -cbuilara

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14:00:39 <AndyS> OK

Andy Seaborne: OK

14:00:45 <AndyS> scribenick: AndyS

(Scribe set to Andy Seaborne)

14:00:50 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aacc

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14:00:54 <Zakim> -kasei

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14:01:05 <MattPerry> zakim, aacc is me

Matthew Perry: zakim, aacc is me

14:01:05 <Zakim> +MattPerry; got it

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14:01:39 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?

Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone?

14:01:39 <Zakim> On the phone I see NickH (muted), AxelPolleres?, AndyS, MattPerry

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14:01:50 <Zakim> +??P9

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14:01:55 <SteveH__> Zakim, ??P9 is me

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14:02:12 <Zakim> +kasei

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14:02:18 <Zakim> + +3539149aadd

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14:02:26 <alex_> Zakim, +3539149aadd is me

Alexandre Passant: Zakim, +3539149aadd is me

14:02:26 <Zakim> +alex_; got it

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14:02:28 <AxelPolleres> scribenick: steveH

(Scribe set to Steve Harris)

14:02:31 <AndyS> scribenick: SteveH__
14:02:59 <Zakim> +??P16

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14:03:04 <cbuilara> zakim, ??P16 is me

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14:03:04 <Zakim> +cbuilara; got it

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14:03:06 <SteveH__> AxelPolleres: admin, Lee will be late

Axel Polleres: admin, Lee will be late

14:03:28 <SteveH> … regrets: birte, greg

… regrets: birte, greg

14:03:31 <kasei> spotty connection.

Gregory Williams: spotty connection.

14:03:38 <kasei> but here just this moment.

Gregory Williams: but here just this moment.

14:03:38 <AndyS> scribenick: SteveH
14:03:39 <AxelPolleres> regrets: Olivier, Birte, Lee
14:03:53 <SteveH> … admin issues.

… admin issues.

14:03:58 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-07-12

PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-07-12

14:04:15 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?

Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone?

14:04:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see NickH (muted), AxelPolleres?, AndyS, MattPerry, SteveH__, kasei, alex_, cbuilara

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14:04:21 <Zakim> +pgearon

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14:04:37 <SteveH> Zakim, SteveH__ is me

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14:04:37 <Zakim> +SteveH; got it

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14:04:57 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-07-12

RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-07-12

14:05:16 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: scribe for next meeting, paul

Axel Polleres: scribe for next meeting, paul

14:05:34 <SteveH> pgearon: on holiday next week

Paul Gearon: on holiday next week

14:06:10 <AxelPolleres> birte should be back

Axel Polleres: birte should be back

14:06:19 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: scribe for next meeting, birte

Axel Polleres: scribe for next meeting, birte

14:06:47 <SteveH> … publications

… publications

14:06:55 <SteveH> … decide today about publication of drafts

… decide today about publication of drafts

14:07:13 <SteveH> … tsv-csv-results and json-results

… tsv-csv-results and json-results

14:07:29 <SteveH> … json-results should be in last call shape, tsv/csv in shape for FPWD

… json-results should be in last call shape, tsv/csv in shape for FPWD

14:07:41 <SteveH> … fed query needs more discussion

… fed query needs more discussion

14:07:47 <Zakim> -alex_

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14:08:05 <SteveH> … tsv/csv comments?

… tsv/csv comments?

14:08:08 <SteveH> q+

q+

14:08:20 <AndyS> q+

Andy Seaborne: q+

14:08:26 <AxelPolleres> go ahead steve

Axel Polleres: go ahead steve

14:08:29 <Zakim> +alex_

Zakim IRC Bot: +alex_

14:08:43 <AndyS> ack SteveH

Andy Seaborne: ack SteveH

14:08:49 <alexpassant> Zakim, +alex_ is me

Alexandre Passant: Zakim, +alex_ is me

14:08:49 <Zakim> sorry, alexpassant, I do not recognize a party named '+alex_'

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14:09:40 <SteveH> AndyS: tsv/csv - ready for FPWD, but still some editorial stuff, but better to publish (as WD) now

Andy Seaborne: tsv/csv - ready for FPWD, but still some editorial stuff, but better to publish (as WD) now

14:09:41 <AndyS> ack me

Andy Seaborne: ack me

14:09:42 <SteveH> +1

+1

14:10:04 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: anything on json results?

Axel Polleres: anything on json results?

14:10:16 <AndyS> SteveH - could you email the list with comments and I'll see if i can deal with them ASAP or post pub

Andy Seaborne: SteveH - could you email the list with comments and I'll see if i can deal with them ASAP or post pub

14:10:19 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/json-results/json-results-lc.html

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/json-results/json-results-lc.html

14:10:27 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/csv-tsv-results/results-csv-tsv.html

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/csv-tsv-results/results-csv-tsv.html

14:10:29 <SteveH> AndyS, I already did, ages ago

AndyS, I already did, ages ago

14:10:36 <SteveH> AndyS, I think you dealt with them

AndyS, I think you dealt with them

14:11:07 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: ask w3c team about dates, any comments?

Axel Polleres: ask w3c team about dates, any comments?

14:11:26 <AndyS> Ok - I believe I'm up-to-date - just need to add header mandatory in CVS (if not already done)  Can't remember - will check cvs log

Andy Seaborne: Ok - I believe I'm up-to-date - just need to add header mandatory in CVS (if not already done) Can't remember - will check cvs log

14:11:44 <AndyS> +1 to publish both

Andy Seaborne: +1 to publish both

14:11:47 <SteveH> +1

+1

14:12:02 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to inquire at W3C team on next possible pub date.

ACTION: Axel to inquire at W3C team on next possible pub date.

14:12:03 <trackbot> Created ACTION-499 - Inquire at W3C team on next possible pub date. [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-08-02].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-499 - Inquire at W3C team on next possible pub date. [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-08-02].

14:12:50 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/csv-tsv-results/results-csv-tsv.html as FPWD at http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-results-csv-tsv/ at next possible publication date (ie. pending completion of . ACTION4-99)

PROPOSED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/csv-tsv-results/results-csv-tsv.html as FPWD at http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-results-csv-tsv/ at next possible publication date (ie. pending completion of . ACTION-499)

14:12:56 <SteveH> seconded

seconded

14:13:21 <AxelPolleres> s/4-99/-499/
14:13:38 <SteveH> +1 [Garlik]

+1 [Garlik]

14:13:44 <NickH> +1 [BBC]

Nicholas Humfrey: +1 [BBC]

14:13:44 <AndyS> +1 [Apache Software Foundation]

Andy Seaborne: +1 [Apache Software Foundation]

14:13:47 <alexpassant> +1 [DERI]

Alexandre Passant: +1 [DERI]

14:13:49 <pgearon> +1 [Revelytix]

Paul Gearon: +1 [Revelytix]

14:13:50 <kasei> +1 [RPI]

Gregory Williams: +1 [RPI]

14:13:51 <cbuilara> +1 [UPM]

Carlos Buil Aranda: +1 [UPM]

14:13:55 <MattPerry> +1

Matthew Perry: +1

14:14:13 <MattPerry> [Oracle]

Matthew Perry: [Oracle]

14:14:45 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/csv-tsv-results/results-csv-tsv.html as FPWD at http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-results-csv-tsv/ at next possible publication date (ie. pending completion of . ACTION-499)

RESOLVED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/csv-tsv-results/results-csv-tsv.html as FPWD at http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-results-csv-tsv/ at next possible publication date (ie. pending completion of . ACTION-499)

14:16:10 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: JSON results format.

Axel Polleres: JSON results format.

14:16:12 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/json-results/json-results-lc.html as LC WD at http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-results-json/ (ie. pending completion of  ACTION-499)

PROPOSED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/json-results/json-results-lc.html as LC WD at http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-results-json/ (ie. pending completion of ACTION-499)

14:16:54 <AndyS> +1 [Apache Software Foundation]

Andy Seaborne: +1 [Apache Software Foundation]

14:16:56 <pgearon> +1 [Revelytix]

Paul Gearon: +1 [Revelytix]

14:17:03 <SteveH> +1 [Garlik]

+1 [Garlik]

14:17:03 <kasei> +1 [RPI]

Gregory Williams: +1 [RPI]

14:17:04 <MattPerry> +1 [Oracle]

Matthew Perry: +1 [Oracle]

14:17:06 <alexpassant> +1 [DERI]

Alexandre Passant: +1 [DERI]

14:17:09 <cbuilara> +1 [UPM]

Carlos Buil Aranda: +1 [UPM]

14:17:09 <NickH> +1 [BBC]

Nicholas Humfrey: +1 [BBC]

14:17:23 <SteveH> I have some small reservations that it's not the right thing, but it's quite widely implemented

I have some small reservations that it's not the right thing, but it's quite widely implemented

14:17:43 <kasei> that html document says both "Editor's Draft" and "Working Draft" (?)

Gregory Williams: that html document says both "Editor's Draft" and "Working Draft" (?)

14:17:50 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/json-results/json-results-lc.html as LC WD at http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-results-json/ (ie. pending completion of  ACTION-499)

RESOLVED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/json-results/json-results-lc.html as LC WD at http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-results-json/ (ie. pending completion of ACTION-499)

14:18:04 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: aim to publish these two together

Axel Polleres: aim to publish these two together

14:18:06 <AndyS> SteveH - pls let me know the reservations sometime.

Andy Seaborne: SteveH - pls let me know the reservations sometime.

14:18:10 <SteveH> … Fed Query document

… Fed Query document

14:18:41 <SteveH> cbuilara: comments about service with variables, there was a mistake in the semantics

Carlos Buil Aranda: comments about service with variables, there was a mistake in the semantics

14:18:52 <SteveH> … not possible to have a variables bound

… not possible to have a variables bound

14:19:05 <SteveH> … suggested to add [something]

… suggested to add [something]

14:19:22 <SteveH> … working on informative section

… working on informative section

14:20:26 <NickH> yes, better

Nicholas Humfrey: yes, better

14:20:36 <NickH> little bit of an echo

Nicholas Humfrey: little bit of an echo

14:20:55 <SteveH> … moving service to the last section, if everyone agrees

… moving service to the last section, if everyone agrees

14:21:12 <SteveH> … will continue formatting

… will continue formatting

14:22:13 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: do we have uncommitted changes

Axel Polleres: do we have uncommitted changes

14:22:16 <SteveH> cbuilara: yes

Carlos Buil Aranda: yes

14:22:26 <SteveH> … I can't commit the last stuff

… I can't commit the last stuff

14:22:32 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: please commit

Axel Polleres: please commit

14:22:54 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/fed/service.xml

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/fed/service.xml

14:23:28 <AndyS> Beware of mirrors: "26-Jul-2011 14:22   45K"

Andy Seaborne: Beware of mirrors: "26-Jul-2011 14:22 45K"

14:24:45 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: concern about example using SERVICE and BINDINGs

Axel Polleres: concern about example using SERVICE and BINDINGs

14:25:03 <SteveH> … idea is that impl. could rewrite during execution, using BINDINGS

… idea is that impl. could rewrite during execution, using BINDINGS

14:25:12 <SteveH> using subquery to remote servoce

using subquery to remote servoce

14:25:17 <cbuilara> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011JulSep/0025.html

Carlos Buil Aranda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011JulSep/0025.html

14:25:18 <kasei> this is action 462 which is marked as "to be added post LC"

Gregory Williams: this is ACTION-462 which is marked as "to be added post LC"

14:26:39 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: can someone review §2.4 and §4?

Axel Polleres: can someone review §2.4 and §4?

14:26:46 <SteveH> … then we can go for publication next week

… then we can go for publication next week

14:26:55 <SteveH> … we could leave out §2.4 if there are concerns

… we could leave out §2.4 if there are concerns

14:27:43 <SteveH> … any objections to making §2.4 informative, so we're not as strictly bound by LC restrictions

… any objections to making §2.4 informative, so we're not as strictly bound by LC restrictions

14:27:58 <SteveH> AndyS: if we could change the example that would be goo, might be confusing to readers

Andy Seaborne: if we could change the example that would be goo, might be confusing to readers

14:28:13 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: I proposed different example

Axel Polleres: I proposed different example

14:28:24 <SteveH> AndyS: will try and look at proposal

Andy Seaborne: will try and look at proposal

14:28:49 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: carlos, write email to group. will have 2+ people review it for LC readiness

Axel Polleres: carlos, write email to group. will have 2+ people review it for LC readiness

14:28:58 <AndyS> I can try to review doc when Carlos says it's ready but it's "at risk" for next week.

Andy Seaborne: I can try to review doc when Carlos says it's ready but it's "at risk" for next week.

14:29:50 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Andy to review updates in Fed query doc (particularly section 2.4 and 4) for LC readiness

ACTION: Andy to review updates in Fed query doc (particularly section 2.4 and 4) for LC readiness

14:29:50 <trackbot> Created ACTION-500 - Review updates in Fed query doc (particularly section 2.4 and 4) for LC readiness [on Andy Seaborne - due 2011-08-02].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-500 - Review updates in Fed query doc (particularly section 2.4 and 4) for LC readiness [on Andy Seaborne - due 2011-08-02].

14:30:05 <SteveH> call for volunteers

call for volunteers

14:30:23 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?

Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone?

14:30:23 <Zakim> On the phone I see NickH (muted), AxelPolleres?, AndyS, MattPerry, SteveH, kasei, cbuilara, pgearon, alex_

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see NickH (muted), AxelPolleres?, AndyS, MattPerry, SteveH, kasei, cbuilara, pgearon, alex_

14:30:23 <AndyS> zakim, Pick a victim

Andy Seaborne: zakim, Pick a victim

14:30:25 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose alex_

Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose alex_

14:30:32 <NickH> sorry, federation

Nicholas Humfrey: sorry, federation

14:30:35 <NickH> is not my thing

Nicholas Humfrey: is not my thing

14:30:49 <SteveH> Zakim, who's talking?

Zakim, who's talking?

14:30:57 <AndyS> :-) Alex -- blame the bots for everything

Andy Seaborne: :-) Alex -- blame the bots for everything

14:31:01 <Zakim> SteveH, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: AxelPolleres? (86%), AndyS (50%), alex_ (19%)

Zakim IRC Bot: SteveH, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: AxelPolleres? (86%), AndyS (50%), alex_ (19%)

14:31:06 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Alex to review updates in Fed query doc (particularly section 2.4 and 4) for LC readiness

ACTION: Alex to review updates in Fed query doc (particularly section 2.4 and 4) for LC readiness

14:31:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-501 - Review updates in Fed query doc (particularly section 2.4 and 4) for LC readiness [on Alexandre Passant - due 2011-08-02].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-501 - Review updates in Fed query doc (particularly section 2.4 and 4) for LC readiness [on Alexandre Passant - due 2011-08-02].

14:31:13 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to review updates in Fed query doc (particularly section 2.4 and 4) for LC readiness

ACTION: Axel to review updates in Fed query doc (particularly section 2.4 and 4) for LC readiness

14:31:13 <trackbot> Created ACTION-502 - Review updates in Fed query doc (particularly section 2.4 and 4) for LC readiness [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-08-02].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-502 - Review updates in Fed query doc (particularly section 2.4 and 4) for LC readiness [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-08-02].

14:31:51 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: carlos, it would be good if you were ready to resolve concerns with reviewrs

Axel Polleres: carlos, it would be good if you were ready to resolve concerns with reviewrs

14:32:11 <SteveH> … one point: errata

… one point: errata

14:32:17 <SteveH> … not sure how we handle that

… not sure how we handle that

14:32:37 <SteveH> … we have particularly on XML result format, which we decided not to update

… we have particularly on XML result format, which we decided not to update

14:32:42 <SteveH> … found issues, on errata page

… found issues, on errata page

14:32:48 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/SPARQL_Errata#SPARQL_XML_Results

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/SPARQL_Errata#SPARQL_XML_Results

14:32:54 <SteveH> … I hope this is complete

… I hope this is complete

14:33:08 <SteveH> … some things on protocol, XML results

… some things on protocol, XML results

14:33:17 <AndyS> q+

Andy Seaborne: q+

14:33:17 <SteveH> … do we need to publish errata for query 1.0? I guess not

… do we need to publish errata for query 1.0? I guess not

14:34:03 <SteveH> … for the process of errata we need to collect them in a certain format, then decide what to publish

… for the process of errata we need to collect them in a certain format, then decide what to publish

14:34:18 <SteveH> … we need an errata page for results format, and no sure about query 1.0

… we need an errata page for results format, and no sure about query 1.0

14:34:45 <SteveH> AndyS: there are two kinds of errata, ones for doc in progress, we can just make changes. ones were not publishing, we need to pub errata

Andy Seaborne: there are two kinds of errata, ones for doc in progress, we can just make changes. ones were not publishing, we need to pub errata

14:35:09 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-XMLres/

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-XMLres/

14:35:17 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/XMLres-errata

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/XMLres-errata

14:35:23 <SteveH> AxelPolleres, there's an errata link there, which is just empty

AxelPolleres, there's an errata link there, which is just empty

14:35:26 <SteveH> … but it's a template

… but it's a template

14:35:38 <SteveH> … need to action someone to do it

… need to action someone to do it

14:35:43 <AndyS> Tricky bit is http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-XMLres/result-to-html.xsl -- can we just change it in place?

Andy Seaborne: Tricky bit is http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-XMLres/result-to-html.xsl -- can we just change it in place?

14:35:44 <SteveH> … then approve it

… then approve it

14:36:34 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: I will contact sandro about that

Axel Polleres: I will contact sandro about that

14:36:50 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to contaxt sandro on whether we're allowed to change xsl in place in the course of errata

ACTION: Axel to contaxt sandro on whether we're allowed to change xsl in place in the course of errata

14:36:50 <trackbot> Created ACTION-503 - Contaxt sandro on whether we're allowed to change xsl in place in the course of errata [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-08-02].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-503 - Contaxt sandro on whether we're allowed to change xsl in place in the course of errata [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-08-02].

14:37:18 <SteveH> … we need a volunteer to look at errata format page, and update w.r.t items collected on wiki page

… we need a volunteer to look at errata format page, and update w.r.t items collected on wiki page

14:37:39 <AxelPolleres> We need someone to volunteer to incorporate http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/SPARQL_Errata#SPARQL_XML_Results into http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/XMLres-errata

Axel Polleres: We need someone to volunteer to incorporate http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/SPARQL_Errata#SPARQL_XML_Results into http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/XMLres-errata

14:37:51 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, pick a victim

Axel Polleres: Zakim, pick a victim

14:37:51 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose alex_

Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose alex_

14:37:56 <AndyS> !!!!!!!!!

Andy Seaborne: !!!!!!!!!

14:37:59 <alexpassant> :) no !!!

Alexandre Passant: :) no !!!

14:38:02 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, pick a victim

Axel Polleres: Zakim, pick a victim

14:38:02 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose kasei

Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose kasei

14:38:19 <kasei> Not in the next ~10 days, but afterwards.

Gregory Williams: Not in the next ~10 days, but afterwards.

14:39:15 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Greg to incorporate http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/SPARQL_Errata#SPARQL_XML_Results into http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/XMLres-errata

ACTION: Greg to incorporate http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/SPARQL_Errata#SPARQL_XML_Results into http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/XMLres-errata

14:39:15 <trackbot> Created ACTION-504 - Incorporate http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/SPARQL_Errata#SPARQL_XML_Results into http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/XMLres-errata [on Gregory Williams - due 2011-08-02].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-504 - Incorporate http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/SPARQL_Errata#SPARQL_XML_Results into http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/XMLres-errata [on Gregory Williams - due 2011-08-02].

14:40:21 <AxelPolleres> topic: action review

1. action review

14:40:33 <AxelPolleres> please complete test case coverage actions bz next week!

Axel Polleres: please complete test case coverage actions bz next week!

14:40:35 <AndyS> The ACTION-498 is done by http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2011Jul/0006

Andy Seaborne: The ACTION-498 is done by http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2011Jul/0006

14:41:12 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-498

Axel Polleres: close ACTION-498

14:41:12 <trackbot> ACTION-498 Contact Sebastian Conca on how to proceed with his comment. closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-498 Contact Sebastian Conca on how to proceed with his comment. closed

14:41:45 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: all actions should be for next week

Axel Polleres: all actions should be for next week

14:41:58 <SteveH> … review action for Lee is still open, but he has no objection to publish

… review action for Lee is still open, but he has no objection to publish

14:42:12 <SteveH> … one action open on greg, review [something]

… one action open on greg, review [something]

14:42:20 <kasei> q+

Gregory Williams: q+

14:42:24 <AndyS> ack me

Andy Seaborne: ack me

14:42:30 <SteveH> … same action as reviewing fed query last changes

… same action as reviewing fed query last changes

14:42:46 <SteveH> kasei: I don't that action is the same

Gregory Williams: I don't that action is the same

14:42:58 <SteveH> … it was specifically about text for using BINDINGS

… it was specifically about text for using BINDINGS

14:43:25 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: if you could have a look before next telecon it would be good

Axel Polleres: if you could have a look before next telecon it would be good

14:43:31 <SteveH> … not mission critical

… not mission critical

14:44:00 <SteveH> … carlos, will you tackle that next? some open action on you about a section for testcases

… carlos, will you tackle that next? some open action on you about a section for testcases

14:44:13 <SteveH> cbuilara: wrote a small thing about that

Carlos Buil Aranda: wrote a small thing about that

14:44:26 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: incorporate it directly into the README.html document

Axel Polleres: incorporate it directly into the README.html document

14:45:02 <Zakim> + +1.617.553.aaee

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.617.553.aaee

14:45:07 <LeeF> zakim, aaee is me

Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, aaee is me

14:45:07 <Zakim> +LeeF; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +LeeF; got it

14:46:07 <SteveH> cbuilara: I know that document

Carlos Buil Aranda: I know that document

14:46:36 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: ACTION-486 is basically done

Axel Polleres: ACTION-486 is basically done

14:46:48 <AxelPolleres> ACTION-486 ...  http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/SPARQL11_and_RDF11

Axel Polleres: ACTION-486 ... http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/SPARQL11_and_RDF11

14:47:06 <SteveH> … is there any more things which need to go in?

… is there any more things which need to go in?

14:47:13 <SteveH> … I'm not really able to follow it

… I'm not really able to follow it

14:47:19 <SteveH> … how should we proceed?

… how should we proceed?

14:47:54 <SteveH> … no distinction with literals without a language tag, and xsd:String literals

… no distinction with literals without a language tag, and xsd:String literals

14:48:12 <SteveH> AndyS: current proposal is the lang tag literals may have a class, but no DT

Andy Seaborne: current proposal is the lang tag literals may have a class, but no DT

14:48:29 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: functions and BGP matching will be affected

Axel Polleres: functions and BGP matching will be affected

14:48:44 <SteveH> … SD may also need to have something in the note, to indicate support

… SD may also need to have something in the note, to indicate support

14:49:12 <SteveH> … last thing is entailment regimes, think we need to reflect the non-distinction between plain lit and string lit

… last thing is entailment regimes, think we need to reflect the non-distinction between plain lit and string lit

14:49:25 <SteveH> … if you have something, feel free to edit this doc

… if you have something, feel free to edit this doc

14:49:45 <SteveH> LeeF: I'll do the result format thing, for wiki page

Lee Feigenbaum: I'll do the result format thing, for wiki page

14:49:51 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: great

Axel Polleres: great

14:50:09 <SteveH> LeeF: you SHOULD/should not output xsd:string as a datatype

Lee Feigenbaum: you SHOULD/should not output xsd:string as a datatype

14:50:34 <AxelPolleres> ACRTION: Lee to add a section on result formats in http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/SPARQL11_and_RDF11

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Unknown ACRTION: Lee to add a section on result formats in http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/SPARQL11_and_RDF11 [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

14:50:50 <LeeF> ACTION: Lee to add a section on result formats in http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/SPARQL11_and_RDF11

ACTION: Lee to add a section on result formats in http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/SPARQL11_and_RDF11

14:50:51 <trackbot> Created ACTION-505 - Add a section on result formats in http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/SPARQL11_and_RDF11 [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-08-02].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-505 - Add a section on result formats in http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/SPARQL11_and_RDF11 [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-08-02].

14:50:52 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: how can we proceed in populating this doc

Axel Polleres: how can we proceed in populating this doc

14:51:14 <SteveH> AndyS: I think it's getting on ok, but we need RDF-WG to give itself a fixed target, meetings every 2 weeks over summer, moving slowly

Andy Seaborne: I think it's getting on ok, but we need RDF-WG to give itself a fixed target, meetings every 2 weeks over summer, moving slowly

14:51:33 <SteveH> … from the p.o.v. we can't go faster than them, lets keep it ticking along, but not urgency

… from the p.o.v. we can't go faster than them, lets keep it ticking along, but not urgency

14:51:50 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: we don't have an official liaison, we could have it as part of admin issues

Axel Polleres: we don't have an official liaison, we could have it as part of admin issues

14:52:00 <SteveH> … along with other liaisons

… along with other liaisons

14:52:08 <SteveH> … put it in official agenda

… put it in official agenda

14:52:45 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: axel to put "liaison" in next agenda draft.

ACTION: axel to put "liaison" in next agenda draft.

14:52:45 <trackbot> Created ACTION-506 - Put "liaison" in next agenda draft. [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-08-02].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-506 - Put "liaison" in next agenda draft. [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-08-02].

14:53:12 <AndyS> ready for review: got one so far from Steve (thx): http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:KD-1

Andy Seaborne: ready for review: got one so far from Steve (thx): http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:KD-1

14:53:39 <LeeF> I'm happy with KD-1 response

Lee Feigenbaum: I'm happy with KD-1 response

14:53:46 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: one typo, provide / provides

Axel Polleres: one typo, provide / provides

14:55:19 <SteveH> Zakim, who's speaking

Zakim, who's speaking

14:55:19 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who's speaking', SteveH

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who's speaking', SteveH

14:55:21 <SteveH> Zakim, who's speaking?

Zakim, who's speaking?

14:55:33 <Zakim> SteveH, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds

Zakim IRC Bot: SteveH, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds

14:56:29 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: several comments from michael schneider, will ask birte if she's willing to look

Axel Polleres: several comments from michael schneider, will ask birte if she's willing to look

14:56:59 <SteveH> … next time, would like to get back to test cases, please strive to complete relevant actions

… next time, would like to get back to test cases, please strive to complete relevant actions

14:57:09 <SteveH> … publication of fed query

… publication of fed query

14:57:24 <SteveH> AJOURNED

AJOURNED

14:57:31 <Zakim> -kasei

Zakim IRC Bot: -kasei

14:57:32 <Zakim> -MattPerry

Zakim IRC Bot: -MattPerry

14:57:32 <Zakim> -alex_

Zakim IRC Bot: -alex_

14:57:35 <AndyS> bye all

Andy Seaborne: bye all

14:57:38 <MattPerry> bye

Matthew Perry: bye

14:57:38 <SteveH> bye

bye

14:57:39 <Zakim> -AndyS

Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS

14:57:41 <Zakim> -cbuilara

Zakim IRC Bot: -cbuilara

14:57:43 <Zakim> -pgearon

Zakim IRC Bot: -pgearon

14:57:45 <NickH> Bye!

Nicholas Humfrey: Bye!

14:57:45 <Zakim> -SteveH

Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveH

14:57:48 <Zakim> -LeeF

Zakim IRC Bot: -LeeF

14:57:55 <Zakim> -NickH

Zakim IRC Bot: -NickH

14:58:08 <AxelPolleres> Steve, will you take care of publishing thr minutes?

Axel Polleres: Steve, will you take care of publishing thr minutes?

14:58:10 <SteveH> LeeF/AxelPolleres, can you remember how to make minutes?

LeeF/AxelPolleres, can you remember how to make minutes?

14:58:30 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/CommonScribe/manual.html

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/CommonScribe/manual.html

14:58:35 <SteveH> thanks

thanks

14:58:52 <SteveH> rrsagent, make records public

rrsagent, make records public

14:59:03 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/CommonScribe/panel/    --> quite self-explanatory

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/CommonScribe/panel/ --> quite self-explanatory

14:59:10 <AxelPolleres> thnks again for scribing, talk next week

Axel Polleres: thnks again for scribing, talk next week

14:59:20 <Zakim> -AxelPolleres?

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Zakim IRC Bot: -AxelPolleres?

14:59:21 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended

14:59:23 <Zakim> Attendees were NickH, +1.310.729.aaaa, kasei, +49.897.aabb, AxelPolleres?, cbuilara, AndyS, +1.603.897.aacc, MattPerry, alex_, pgearon, SteveH, +1.617.553.aaee, LeeF

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were NickH, +1.310.729.aaaa, kasei, +49.897.aabb, AxelPolleres?, cbuilara, AndyS, +1.603.897.aacc, MattPerry, alex_, pgearon, SteveH, +1.617.553.aaee, LeeF



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