SPARQL Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 21 June 2011

Seen
Alexandre Passant, Andy Seaborne, Axel Polleres, Birte Glimm, Carlos Buil Aranda, Chimezie Ogbuji, Gregory Williams, Lee Feigenbaum, Matthew Perry, Nicholas Humfrey, Olivier Corby, Paul Gearon, Sandro Hawke
Regrets
Nicholas Humfrey
Scribe
Axel Polleres
IRC Log
Original and Editable Wiki Version
Resolutions
  1. Approve minutes from http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-06-14 link
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13:54:32 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
13:54:32 <trackbot> Date: 21 June 2011
13:55:30 <LeeF> zakim, this will be sparql

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14:00:25 <bglimm> Zakim, passcode?

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14:00:25 <Zakim> the conference code is 77277 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), bglimm

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14:00:34 <Zakim> +??P11

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14:00:40 <AndyS> zakim, ??P11 is me

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14:01:25 <bglimm> Zakim, +44.186.528.aaaa is me

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14:01:42 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me

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14:01:44 <LeeF> zakim, who's here?

Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, who's here?

14:01:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see LeeF, kasei, jess, cbuilara, AndyS, MattPerry, bglimm (muted)

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14:01:47 <Zakim> On IRC I see chimezie, MattPerry, Zakim, RRSAgent, cbuilara, Olivier, bglimm, LeeF, AndyS, SteveH, iv_an_ru_, ericP, sandro, trackbot, kasei, NickH, alepas

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14:02:41 <LeeF> zakim, what number is jess?

Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, what number is jess?

14:02:53 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, LeeF.

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14:03:04 <LeeF> zakim, jess?

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14:03:04 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, LeeF.

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14:03:14 <Zakim> +Sandro

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14:03:20 <kasei> 41# i think

Gregory Williams: 41# i think

14:03:27 <kasei> h for hand

Gregory Williams: h for hand

14:03:32 <Olivier> 41#

Olivier Corby: 41#

14:03:51 <Zakim> +AxelPolleres

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14:03:53 <bglimm> Zakim, handsup

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14:03:53 <Zakim> I don't understand 'handsup', bglimm

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14:03:54 <LeeF> zakim, jess is Olivier

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14:03:54 <Zakim> +Olivier; got it

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14:04:10 <axelpolleres> can take over scribing...

Axel Polleres: can take over scribing...

14:04:23 <LeeF> scribenick: axelpolleres

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14:04:24 <axelpolleres> scribe: axelpolleres
14:04:27 <chimezie> zakim, code?

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14:04:27 <Zakim> the conference code is 77277 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), chimezie

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14:04:27 <NickH> sorry, I can't attend today - in another meeting

Nicholas Humfrey: sorry, I can't attend today - in another meeting

14:04:30 <Zakim> + +3539149aabb

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14:04:34 <LeeF> Regrets: NickH
14:04:36 <alex_> Zakim, +3539149aabb is me

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14:04:36 <Zakim> +alex_; got it

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14:04:49 <LeeF> zakim, mute axelpolleres

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14:04:49 <Zakim> AxelPolleres should now be muted

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14:05:03 <LeeF> topic: Admin

1. Admin

14:05:03 <Zakim> +chimezie

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14:05:13 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Approve minutes from http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-06-14

PROPOSED: Approve minutes from http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-06-14

14:05:28 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me

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14:05:49 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Approve minutes from http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-06-14

RESOLVED: Approve minutes from http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-06-14

14:06:13 <sandro> regrets for next two weeks

Sandro Hawke: regrets for next two weeks

14:06:14 <bglimm> I can't

Birte Glimm: I can't

14:06:17 <LeeF> Next regular meeting: 2011-06-28 @ 15:00 UK / 10:00 EDT

Lee Feigenbaum: Next regular meeting: 2011-06-28 @ 15:00 UK / 10:00 EDT

14:06:25 <axelpolleres> at risk

at risk

14:06:30 <LeeF> Next regular meeting: 2011-06-28 @ 15:00 UK / 10:00 EDT, regrets from sandro and bglimm, axelpolleres at risk

Lee Feigenbaum: Next regular meeting: 2011-06-28 @ 15:00 UK / 10:00 EDT, regrets from sandro and bglimm, axelpolleres at risk

14:06:32 <Olivier> at risk

Olivier Corby: at risk

14:07:07 <axelpolleres> topic: RDF WG resolution on plain literals

main topic today: RDF WG resolution on simple literals

14:07:09 <Zakim> +pgearon

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14:07:55 <axelpolleres> s/topic/main topic today/
14:07:57 <axelpolleres> ok

ok

14:07:58 <AndyS> s/plain/simple/ (rest of plain literals has not been decided)
14:08:02 <axelpolleres> topic: comments

2. comments

14:08:17 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments

Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments

14:08:25 <chimezie> lol

Chimezie Ogbuji: lol

14:08:33 <LeeF> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2011Jun/0008.html

Lee Feigenbaum: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2011Jun/0008.html

14:08:59 <axelpolleres> HK-3 is acxknowledged

HK-3 is acxknowledged

14:09:27 <axelpolleres> KR-1 underway

KR-1 underway

14:09:32 <bglimm> I took ownership of AZ-1

Birte Glimm: I took ownership of AZ-1

14:09:51 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me

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14:10:08 <sandro> (he)

Sandro Hawke: (he)

14:10:26 <axelpolleres> ... not underway, draft response KR-1 stillempty, AZ-1 is incomplete, but underway.

... not underway, draft response KR-1 stillempty, AZ-1 is incomplete, but underway.

14:10:51 <axelpolleres> Birte: is section reordering ok (requested by AZ-1)?

Birte Glimm: is section reordering ok (requested by AZ-1)?

14:11:02 <axelpolleres> Lee: fully ok as editorial change

Lee Feigenbaum: fully ok as editorial change

14:11:12 <axelpolleres> Birte: ok, content not affected.

Birte Glimm: ok, content not affected.

14:11:28 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me

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14:11:28 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted

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14:11:37 <kasei> I can, since it was based on a bug in my code :)

Gregory Williams: I can, since it was based on a bug in my code :)

14:11:52 <axelpolleres> Lee: Kjetil submitted a test case. anybosdy willing to check it and add it to our test suite?

Lee Feigenbaum: Kjetil submitted a test case. anybosdy willing to check it and add it to our test suite?

14:11:56 <kasei> can I get an ACTION for that?

Gregory Williams: can I get an ACTION for that?

14:12:15 <LeeF> ACTION: Greg to look at Kjetil's test case and incorporate it into the SPARQL WG test suite and email the group about it

ACTION: Greg to look at Kjetil's test case and incorporate it into the SPARQL WG test suite and email the group about it

14:12:15 <trackbot> Created ACTION-484 - Look at Kjetil's test case and incorporate it into the SPARQL WG test suite and email the group about it [on Gregory Williams - due 2011-06-28].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-484 - Look at Kjetil's test case and incorporate it into the SPARQL WG test suite and email the group about it [on Gregory Williams - due 2011-06-28].

14:13:05 <axelpolleres> I didnn't further elaborate on my suggestion, but anyways I am happy if Andy sends "as is"

I didnn't further elaborate on my suggestion, but anyways I am happy if Andy sends "as is"

14:13:47 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/open?sort=due

Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/open?sort=due

14:15:00 <axelpolleres> topic:Actions

3. Actions

14:14:11 <axelpolleres> Axel: didn't manage to tackle the actions, sorry

Axel Polleres: didn't manage to tackle the actions, sorry

14:14:26 <axelpolleres> ... (deadline was for next week)

... (deadline was for next week)

14:15:07 <LeeF> close ACTION-482

Lee Feigenbaum: close ACTION-482

14:15:07 <trackbot> ACTION-482 Update SERVICE test cases based on andy's feedback closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-482 Update SERVICE test cases based on andy's feedback closed

14:15:29 <kasei> FWIW, i had intended my propsed syntax to be a conversation starting point, not necessarily the actual syntax...

Gregory Williams: FWIW, i had intended my propsed syntax to be a conversation starting point, not necessarily the actual syntax...

14:17:44 <kasei> for example: <testX> mf:feature sparql:rand .

Gregory Williams: for example: <testX> mf:feature sparql:rand .

14:18:02 <axelpolleres> Lee: discussing annotation of test cases by features required.

Lee Feigenbaum: discussing annotation of test cases by features required.

14:18:39 <axelpolleres> topic: joint teleconf with RDF WG on terminology

4. joint teleconf with RDF WG on terminology

14:18:48 <axelpolleres> Lee: will take place tomorrow

Lee Feigenbaum: will take place tomorrow

14:19:03 <LeeF> Wednesday, 22 June 2011

Lee Feigenbaum: Wednesday, 22 June 2011

14:19:03 <LeeF>  10:00 US EDT (Boston), 15:00 BST (London), 16:00 CET (Amsterdam, Paris)

Lee Feigenbaum: 10:00 US EDT (Boston), 15:00 BST (London), 16:00 CET (Amsterdam, Paris)

14:19:03 <LeeF> The call will use the Zakim bridge normally used for the RDF WG:

Lee Feigenbaum: The call will use the Zakim bridge normally used for the RDF WG:

14:19:03 <LeeF> Dial +1-617-761-6200 or sip:zakim@voip.w3.org then conference code 73394#

Lee Feigenbaum: Dial +1-617-761-6200 or sip:zakim@voip.w3.org then conference code 73394#

14:19:03 <LeeF> IRC channel: #rdf-wg

Lee Feigenbaum: IRC channel: #rdf-wg

14:19:14 <axelpolleres> ... the same timwe as our SPARQL call, but tmrw

... the same timwe as our SPARQL call, but tmrw

14:19:34 <axelpolleres> ... get both WGs on the same page as for terminology.

... get both WGs on the same page as for terminology.

14:19:58 <chimezie> will that have implications on our specs?

Chimezie Ogbuji: will that have implications on our specs?

14:20:06 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me

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14:20:36 <axelpolleres> Lee: potentially has editorial effects on our specs, but don't expect substantive changes.

Lee Feigenbaum: potentially has editorial effects on our specs, but don't expect substantive changes.

14:20:54 <axelpolleres> ... hopefully.

... hopefully.

14:20:57 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me

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14:20:57 <Zakim> chimezie should now be muted

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14:21:28 <axelpolleres> topic: RDF WG resolution on plain literals

5. RDF WG resolution on plain literals

14:21:29 <LeeF> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011AprJun/0387.html

Lee Feigenbaum: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011AprJun/0387.html

14:21:51 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/StringLiterals/AbolishUntaggedPlain

Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/StringLiterals/AbolishUntaggedPlain

14:22:54 <axelpolleres> bottomline proposal: simple literals will be abolished in abstract RDF syntax and in various concrete syntaxes simple literals will be parsed as string-typed literals.

bottomline proposal: simple literals will be abolished in abstract RDF syntax and in various concrete syntaxes simple literals will be parsed as string-typed literals.

14:23:16 <LeeF> SHOULD serialize as "foo" instead of as "foo"^^xsd:string

Lee Feigenbaum: SHOULD serialize as "foo" instead of as "foo"^^xsd:string

14:23:29 <axelpolleres> ... ie implicit typing to xsd:string.

... ie implicit typing to xsd:string.

14:24:13 <AndyS> Implications : http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011AprJun/0390.html (may not be complete)

Andy Seaborne: Implications : http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011AprJun/0390.html (may not be complete)

14:24:18 <axelpolleres> Lee: tried to summarize how this affects us.

Lee Feigenbaum: tried to summarize how this affects us.

14:24:45 <pgearon> +q

Paul Gearon: +q

14:24:55 <LeeF> q- h

Lee Feigenbaum: q- h

14:24:58 <LeeF> ack pgearon

Lee Feigenbaum: ack pgearon

14:25:04 <axelpolleres> q+

q+

14:25:28 <axelpolleres> Paul: like the decision, but not clear about plain lits with language tags.

Paul Gearon: like the decision, but not clear about plain lits with language tags.

14:25:47 <axelpolleres> Lee: language tagged plain literals are not affected by that decision.

Lee Feigenbaum: language tagged plain literals are not affected by that decision.

14:26:24 <kasei> q+ to talk about data matching triple patterns

Gregory Williams: q+ to talk about data matching triple patterns

14:26:25 <LeeF> ack axelpolleres

Lee Feigenbaum: ack axelpolleres

14:26:31 <axelpolleres> ... plain lits with lang tags still don't have a datatype (current state of affairs in RDF WG)

... plain lits with lang tags still don't have a datatype (current state of affairs in RDF WG)

14:26:36 <axelpolleres> zakim, unmute me

zakim, unmute me

14:26:36 <Zakim> AxelPolleres was not muted, axelpolleres

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14:27:30 <bglimm> I actually wanted to check OWL because I think OWL has a different idea of plain literals, but didn't get round to do it

Birte Glimm: I actually wanted to check OWL because I think OWL has a different idea of plain literals, but didn't get round to do it

14:27:38 <LeeF> ack kasei

Lee Feigenbaum: ack kasei

14:27:38 <Zakim> kasei, you wanted to talk about data matching triple patterns

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14:28:13 <Zakim> -cbuilara

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14:28:28 <axelpolleres> Greg: changes matching of triple patterns.

Gregory Williams: changes matching of triple patterns.

14:28:38 <AndyS> OWL+RIF will not see "foo@"^^rdf:plainLiteral, only "foo@lang"^^rdf:plainLiteral

Andy Seaborne: OWL+RIF will not see "foo@"^^rdf:plainLiteral, only "foo@lang"^^rdf:plainLiteral

14:28:47 <kasei> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011AprJun/0390.html

Gregory Williams: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011AprJun/0390.html

14:29:18 <axelpolleres> Axel: asking about RIF+OWL, but probably that's more concern of the RDF WG than ours here.

Axel Polleres: asking about RIF+OWL, but probably that's more concern of the RDF WG than ours here.

14:30:07 <LeeF> "foo" and "foo"^^xs:string will parse to the same abstract thing, and then match against that abstract thing

Lee Feigenbaum: "foo" and "foo"^^xs:string will parse to the same abstract thing, and then match against that abstract thing

14:30:50 <LeeF> What if your data store is an RDF 1.0 data store that still has some things that are simple literals and others which are xs:string literals?

Lee Feigenbaum: What if your data store is an RDF 1.0 data store that still has some things that are simple literals and others which are xs:string literals?

14:30:52 <axelpolleres> Lee: "foo" and "foo"^^xs:string in future will parse to the same

Lee Feigenbaum: "foo" and "foo"^^xs:string in future will parse to the same

14:31:19 <AndyS> Specifically, has data already loaded (RDF 1.0)

Andy Seaborne: Specifically, has data already loaded (RDF 1.0)

14:31:20 <axelpolleres> ... we need tro consider bw-compatibility with RDF1.0 stores.

... we need tro consider bw-compatibility with RDF1.0 stores.

14:32:32 <axelpolleres> ... there is a migration problem.

... there is a migration problem.

14:33:06 <axelpolleres> Greg: if you only control the SPARQL processor, but not the store.

Gregory Williams: if you only control the SPARQL processor, but not the store.

14:33:43 <axelpolleres> Lee: is this a blocking issue?

Lee Feigenbaum: is this a blocking issue?

14:33:44 <Zakim> +??P29

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P29

14:33:53 <axelpolleres> Greg: no, just a hassle.

Gregory Williams: no, just a hassle.

14:33:54 <cbuilara> zakim, ??P29 is me

Carlos Buil Aranda: zakim, ??P29 is me

14:33:54 <Zakim> +cbuilara; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +cbuilara; got it

14:34:22 <axelpolleres> q+ to ask whether we need to go back from LC for a change in this regard?

q+ to ask whether we need to go back from LC for a change in this regard?

14:35:16 <axelpolleres> Andy: existing software can be affected, I'd like to understand what value it brings.

Andy Seaborne: existing software can be affected, I'd like to understand what value it brings.

14:35:47 <axelpolleres> Lee: our customers don't want to bother about adding xs:string or not.

Lee Feigenbaum: our customers don't want to bother about adding xs:string or not.

14:35:58 <Zakim> -Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro

14:36:17 <Zakim> +Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro

14:36:22 <sandro> (oops)

Sandro Hawke: (oops)

14:36:58 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-query/

Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-query/

14:38:03 <axelpolleres> Lee: functions most probably affected, talk about simple literals, etc.

Lee Feigenbaum: functions most probably affected, talk about simple literals, etc.

14:38:19 <axelpolleres> ... need revising.

... need revising.

14:38:36 <LeeF> A < B	simple literal	simple literal

Lee Feigenbaum: A < B simple literal simple literal

14:39:03 <axelpolleres> +1 that functions probably only need revising, remember we added cases explicitly for the distinction, so unifying might just simplify things in some places?

+1 that functions probably only need revising, remember we added cases explicitly for the distinction, so unifying might just simplify things in some places?

14:39:55 <axelpolleres> Lee: thought that we might not need to change anything here (jsut by referring to the RDF concepts... but looks like we definitly need to make changes here.

Lee Feigenbaum: thought that we might not need to change anything here (jsut by referring to the RDF concepts... but looks like we definitly need to make changes here.

14:40:10 <axelpolleres> ... which will most probably trigger another LC.

... which will most probably trigger another LC.

14:40:24 <axelpolleres> Andy: It's a gray area.

Andy Seaborne: It's a gray area.

14:40:40 <axelpolleres> ... we'd just remove simple literals.

... we'd just remove simple literals.

14:41:08 <axelpolleres> Lee: in a sense we'd just remove a conformance criterion.

Lee Feigenbaum: in a sense we'd just remove a conformance criterion.

14:41:48 <axelpolleres> Andy: operator table itself ??? (didn't catch that, sorry)

Andy Seaborne: operator table itself ??? (didn't catch that, sorry)

14:42:51 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-query/#func-str

Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-query/#func-str

14:42:52 <AndyS> operator table itself looks to be a set of natural changes, not automatic 2LC (IMHO)

Andy Seaborne: operator table itself looks to be a set of natural changes, not automatic 2LC (IMHO)

14:43:14 <axelpolleres> ... we can't do too much here ATM until the final decision (?)

... we can't do too much here ATM until the final decision (?)

14:45:29 <axelpolleres> Andy: str is okayish, lang is potentially a problem

Andy Seaborne: str is okayish, lang is potentially a problem

14:46:32 <axelpolleres> ... strlen as well.

... strlang as well.

14:47:30 <AndyS> s/strlen/strlang/
14:47:36 <AndyS> and strdt()

Andy Seaborne: and strdt()

14:47:40 <axelpolleres> Lee: I see that can be made worked, but how do we deal with the migration problem processwise?

Lee Feigenbaum: I see that can be made worked, but how do we deal with the migration problem processwise?

14:48:57 <axelpolleres> Andy: OWL was held up by a similar issue?

Andy Seaborne: OWL was held up by a similar issue?

14:49:31 <axelpolleres> Sandro: We can provide the text we need in our specs, and hope the others adopt it.

Sandro Hawke: We can provide the text we need in our specs, and hope the others adopt it.

14:50:07 <axelpolleres> Andy: that'd be 2nd last call, wouldn't it?

Andy Seaborne: that'd be 2nd last call, wouldn't it?

14:50:35 <axelpolleres> Sandro: still don't understand how big of a change that is.

Sandro Hawke: still don't understand how big of a change that is.

14:52:11 <axelpolleres> charter question... "For all new features, backwards compatibility with the current version of SPARQL is of great importance. All queries, that are valid in the January 2008 version of SPARQL, should remain valid in the new version and should produce identical results, except in the case of errata. "

charter question... "For all new features, backwards compatibility with the current version of SPARQL is of great importance. All queries, that are valid in the January 2008 version of SPARQL, should remain valid in the new version and should produce identical results, except in the case of errata. "

14:52:51 <axelpolleres> q+

q+

14:53:04 <axelpolleres> Andy: impact on SPARQL update not clear

Andy Seaborne: impact on SPARQL update not clear

14:53:28 <axelpolleres> Lee: most on SPARQL query, transparent to SPARQL Update..?

Lee Feigenbaum: most on SPARQL query, transparent to SPARQL Update..?

14:53:46 <axelpolleres> Andy: I think I could come up with examples that make a difference.

Andy Seaborne: I think I could come up with examples that make a difference.

14:54:07 <pgearon> +q

Paul Gearon: +q

14:54:21 <LeeF> ack axelpolleres

Lee Feigenbaum: ack axelpolleres

14:54:22 <Zakim> axelpolleres, you wanted to ask whether we need to go back from LC for a change in this regard? and to

Zakim IRC Bot: axelpolleres, you wanted to ask whether we need to go back from LC for a change in this regard? and to

14:54:24 <axelpolleres> Lee: yes,. but that's not because of affected SPARQL Update text, but because of affects on SPARQL query (implicitly referred to)

Lee Feigenbaum: yes,. but that's not because of affected SPARQL Update text, but because of affects on SPARQL query (implicitly referred to)

14:56:40 <axelpolleres> Axel: apart from the 2nd LC call issue, the cleanest way to be true to our charter would be to make case distinctions between RDF1.0 and RDF1.1.

Axel Polleres: apart from the 2nd LC call issue, the cleanest way to be true to our charter would be to make case distinctions between RDF1.0 and RDF1.1.

14:57:04 <LeeF> ack pgearon

Lee Feigenbaum: ack pgearon

14:57:20 <axelpolleres> Lee: that's a clean way, but we have to see whether that will work fo us.

Lee Feigenbaum: that's a clean way, but we have to see whether that will work fo us.

14:58:28 <axelpolleres> zakim, mute me

zakim, mute me

14:58:39 <Zakim> AxelPolleres should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: AxelPolleres should now be muted

14:58:44 <LeeF> I think it's a clean way, but i think it's a lot of work for us to get it right so that SPARQL 1.1 is clearly defined against RDF 1.0 and Expected RDF 1.1

Lee Feigenbaum: I think it's a clean way, but i think it's a lot of work for us to get it right so that SPARQL 1.1 is clearly defined against RDF 1.0 and Expected RDF 1.1

14:58:58 <axelpolleres> Paul: i see where you're coming from with your example for SPARQL update, but still unsure about whether that's all for SPARQL update (?)

Paul Gearon: i see where you're coming from with your example for SPARQL update, but still unsure about whether that's all for SPARQL update (?)

15:00:14 <axelpolleres> the simplest, but dirty(?) way would be to refer to RDF1.0 only and then maybe produce a note or something towards the end on how to use SPARQL with RDF1.1

the simplest, but dirty(?) way would be to refer to RDF1.0 only and then maybe produce a note or something towards the end on how to use SPARQL with RDF1.1

15:00:51 <axelpolleres> Paul: will write an email (on my concern)

Paul Gearon: will write an email (on my concern)

15:01:14 <axelpolleres> Lee: ask myself what the world would loook like if we stick with RDF1.0

Lee Feigenbaum: ask myself what the world would loook like if we stick with RDF1.0

15:01:52 <axelpolleres> ... if we all agree with that SPARQL1.1 against RDF1.1 is obvious, maybe, we don't need to do anything.

... if we all agree with that SPARQL1.1 against RDF1.1 is obvious, maybe, we don't need to do anything.

15:02:00 <Zakim> -LeeF

Zakim IRC Bot: -LeeF

15:02:00 <bglimm> bye

Birte Glimm: bye

15:02:01 <chimezie> bye

Chimezie Ogbuji: bye

15:02:02 <pgearon> thanks

Paul Gearon: thanks

15:02:02 <Zakim> -MattPerry

Zakim IRC Bot: -MattPerry

15:02:02 <MattPerry> bye

Matthew Perry: bye

15:02:03 <axelpolleres> ... let's take it to email.

... let's take it to email.

15:02:04 <Zakim> -alex_

Zakim IRC Bot: -alex_

15:02:05 <Zakim> -chimezie

Zakim IRC Bot: -chimezie

15:02:06 <alex_> bye

Alexandre Passant: bye

15:02:06 <Zakim> -bglimm

Zakim IRC Bot: -bglimm

15:02:07 <axelpolleres> adjourned

adjourned

15:02:07 <AndyS> ADJOURNED

Andy Seaborne: ADJOURNED

15:02:07 <Zakim> -Sandro

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15:02:08 <Zakim> -pgearon

Zakim IRC Bot: -pgearon

15:02:09 <Zakim> -Olivier

Zakim IRC Bot: -Olivier

15:02:09 <Zakim> -cbuilara

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15:02:13 <Zakim> -kasei

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15:02:15 <Zakim> -AndyS

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15:02:20 <axelpolleres> rrsagent, make records public

rrsagent, make records public



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