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13:54:31 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 77277
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13:54:31 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
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13:54:32 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
13:54:32 <trackbot> Date: 21 June 2011
13:55:30 <LeeF> zakim, this will be sparql
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13:55:30 <Zakim> ok, LeeF; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
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13:56:02 <Zakim> +LeeF
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13:57:34 <Zakim> +kasei
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13:59:58 <Zakim> +jess
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14:00:05 <Zakim> +??P7
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14:00:11 <cbuilara> zakim, ??P7 is me
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14:00:11 <Zakim> +cbuilara; got it
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14:00:25 <bglimm> Zakim, passcode?
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14:00:25 <Zakim> the conference code is 77277 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), bglimm
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14:00:34 <Zakim> +??P11
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14:00:40 <AndyS> zakim, ??P11 is me
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14:00:40 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
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14:01:03 <Zakim> +MattPerry
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14:01:12 <Zakim> + +44.186.528.aaaa
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14:01:25 <bglimm> Zakim, +44.186.528.aaaa is me
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14:01:25 <Zakim> +bglimm; got it
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14:01:42 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
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14:01:44 <LeeF> zakim, who's here?
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14:01:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see LeeF, kasei, jess, cbuilara, AndyS, MattPerry, bglimm (muted)
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14:01:47 <Zakim> On IRC I see chimezie, MattPerry, Zakim, RRSAgent, cbuilara, Olivier, bglimm, LeeF, AndyS, SteveH, iv_an_ru_, ericP, sandro, trackbot, kasei, NickH, alepas
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14:02:41 <LeeF> zakim, what number is jess?
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14:02:53 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, LeeF.
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14:03:04 <LeeF> zakim, jess?
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14:03:04 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, LeeF.
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14:03:14 <Zakim> +Sandro
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14:03:20 <kasei> 41# i think
Gregory Williams: 41# i think ←
14:03:27 <kasei> h for hand
Gregory Williams: h for hand ←
14:03:32 <Olivier> 41#
Olivier Corby: 41# ←
14:03:51 <Zakim> +AxelPolleres
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14:03:53 <bglimm> Zakim, handsup
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14:03:53 <Zakim> I don't understand 'handsup', bglimm
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14:03:54 <LeeF> zakim, jess is Olivier
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14:03:54 <Zakim> +Olivier; got it
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14:04:10 <axelpolleres> can take over scribing...
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14:04:23 <LeeF> scribenick: axelpolleres
(Scribe set to Axel Polleres)
14:04:24 <axelpolleres> scribe: axelpolleres
14:04:27 <chimezie> zakim, code?
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14:04:27 <Zakim> the conference code is 77277 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), chimezie
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14:04:27 <NickH> sorry, I can't attend today - in another meeting
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14:04:30 <Zakim> + +3539149aabb
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14:04:34 <LeeF> Regrets: NickH
14:04:36 <alex_> Zakim, +3539149aabb is me
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14:04:36 <Zakim> +alex_; got it
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14:04:49 <LeeF> zakim, mute axelpolleres
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14:04:49 <Zakim> AxelPolleres should now be muted
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14:05:03 <LeeF> topic: Admin
14:05:03 <Zakim> +chimezie
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14:05:13 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Approve minutes from http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-06-14
PROPOSED: Approve minutes from http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-06-14 ←
14:05:28 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me
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14:05:49 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Approve minutes from http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-06-14
RESOLVED: Approve minutes from http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-06-14 ←
14:06:13 <sandro> regrets for next two weeks
Sandro Hawke: regrets for next two weeks ←
14:06:14 <bglimm> I can't
Birte Glimm: I can't ←
14:06:17 <LeeF> Next regular meeting: 2011-06-28 @ 15:00 UK / 10:00 EDT
Lee Feigenbaum: Next regular meeting: 2011-06-28 @ 15:00 UK / 10:00 EDT ←
14:06:25 <axelpolleres> at risk
at risk ←
14:06:30 <LeeF> Next regular meeting: 2011-06-28 @ 15:00 UK / 10:00 EDT, regrets from sandro and bglimm, axelpolleres at risk
Lee Feigenbaum: Next regular meeting: 2011-06-28 @ 15:00 UK / 10:00 EDT, regrets from sandro and bglimm, axelpolleres at risk ←
14:06:32 <Olivier> at risk
Olivier Corby: at risk ←
14:07:07 <axelpolleres> topic: RDF WG resolution on plain literals
main topic today: RDF WG resolution on simple literals ←
14:07:09 <Zakim> +pgearon
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14:07:55 <axelpolleres> s/topic/main topic today/
14:07:57 <axelpolleres> ok
ok ←
14:07:58 <AndyS> s/plain/simple/ (rest of plain literals has not been decided)
14:08:02 <axelpolleres> topic: comments
14:08:17 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments
Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments ←
14:08:25 <chimezie> lol
Chimezie Ogbuji: lol ←
14:08:33 <LeeF> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2011Jun/0008.html
Lee Feigenbaum: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2011Jun/0008.html ←
14:08:59 <axelpolleres> HK-3 is acxknowledged
HK-3 is acxknowledged ←
14:09:27 <axelpolleres> KR-1 underway
KR-1 underway ←
14:09:32 <bglimm> I took ownership of AZ-1
Birte Glimm: I took ownership of AZ-1 ←
14:09:51 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me
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14:09:51 <Zakim> bglimm should no longer be muted
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14:10:08 <sandro> (he)
Sandro Hawke: (he) ←
14:10:26 <axelpolleres> ... not underway, draft response KR-1 stillempty, AZ-1 is incomplete, but underway.
... not underway, draft response KR-1 stillempty, AZ-1 is incomplete, but underway. ←
14:10:51 <axelpolleres> Birte: is section reordering ok (requested by AZ-1)?
Birte Glimm: is section reordering ok (requested by AZ-1)? ←
14:11:02 <axelpolleres> Lee: fully ok as editorial change
Lee Feigenbaum: fully ok as editorial change ←
14:11:12 <axelpolleres> Birte: ok, content not affected.
Birte Glimm: ok, content not affected. ←
14:11:28 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
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14:11:28 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted
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14:11:37 <kasei> I can, since it was based on a bug in my code :)
Gregory Williams: I can, since it was based on a bug in my code :) ←
14:11:52 <axelpolleres> Lee: Kjetil submitted a test case. anybosdy willing to check it and add it to our test suite?
Lee Feigenbaum: Kjetil submitted a test case. anybosdy willing to check it and add it to our test suite? ←
14:11:56 <kasei> can I get an ACTION for that?
Gregory Williams: can I get an ACTION for that? ←
14:12:15 <LeeF> ACTION: Greg to look at Kjetil's test case and incorporate it into the SPARQL WG test suite and email the group about it
ACTION: Greg to look at Kjetil's test case and incorporate it into the SPARQL WG test suite and email the group about it ←
14:12:15 <trackbot> Created ACTION-484 - Look at Kjetil's test case and incorporate it into the SPARQL WG test suite and email the group about it [on Gregory Williams - due 2011-06-28].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-484 - Look at Kjetil's test case and incorporate it into the SPARQL WG test suite and email the group about it [on Gregory Williams - due 2011-06-28]. ←
14:13:05 <axelpolleres> I didnn't further elaborate on my suggestion, but anyways I am happy if Andy sends "as is"
I didnn't further elaborate on my suggestion, but anyways I am happy if Andy sends "as is" ←
14:13:47 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/open?sort=due
Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/open?sort=due ←
14:15:00 <axelpolleres> topic:Actions
14:14:11 <axelpolleres> Axel: didn't manage to tackle the actions, sorry
Axel Polleres: didn't manage to tackle the actions, sorry ←
14:14:26 <axelpolleres> ... (deadline was for next week)
... (deadline was for next week) ←
14:15:07 <LeeF> close ACTION-482
Lee Feigenbaum: close ACTION-482 ←
14:15:07 <trackbot> ACTION-482 Update SERVICE test cases based on andy's feedback closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-482 Update SERVICE test cases based on andy's feedback closed ←
14:15:29 <kasei> FWIW, i had intended my propsed syntax to be a conversation starting point, not necessarily the actual syntax...
Gregory Williams: FWIW, i had intended my propsed syntax to be a conversation starting point, not necessarily the actual syntax... ←
14:17:44 <kasei> for example: <testX> mf:feature sparql:rand .
Gregory Williams: for example: <testX> mf:feature sparql:rand . ←
14:18:02 <axelpolleres> Lee: discussing annotation of test cases by features required.
Lee Feigenbaum: discussing annotation of test cases by features required. ←
14:18:39 <axelpolleres> topic: joint teleconf with RDF WG on terminology
14:18:48 <axelpolleres> Lee: will take place tomorrow
Lee Feigenbaum: will take place tomorrow ←
14:19:03 <LeeF> Wednesday, 22 June 2011
Lee Feigenbaum: Wednesday, 22 June 2011 ←
14:19:03 <LeeF> 10:00 US EDT (Boston), 15:00 BST (London), 16:00 CET (Amsterdam, Paris)
Lee Feigenbaum: 10:00 US EDT (Boston), 15:00 BST (London), 16:00 CET (Amsterdam, Paris) ←
14:19:03 <LeeF> The call will use the Zakim bridge normally used for the RDF WG:
Lee Feigenbaum: The call will use the Zakim bridge normally used for the RDF WG: ←
14:19:03 <LeeF> Dial +1-617-761-6200 or sip:zakim@voip.w3.org then conference code 73394#
Lee Feigenbaum: Dial +1-617-761-6200 or sip:zakim@voip.w3.org then conference code 73394# ←
14:19:03 <LeeF> IRC channel: #rdf-wg
Lee Feigenbaum: IRC channel: #rdf-wg ←
14:19:14 <axelpolleres> ... the same timwe as our SPARQL call, but tmrw
... the same timwe as our SPARQL call, but tmrw ←
14:19:34 <axelpolleres> ... get both WGs on the same page as for terminology.
... get both WGs on the same page as for terminology. ←
14:19:58 <chimezie> will that have implications on our specs?
Chimezie Ogbuji: will that have implications on our specs? ←
14:20:06 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me
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14:20:36 <axelpolleres> Lee: potentially has editorial effects on our specs, but don't expect substantive changes.
Lee Feigenbaum: potentially has editorial effects on our specs, but don't expect substantive changes. ←
14:20:54 <axelpolleres> ... hopefully.
... hopefully. ←
14:20:57 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me
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14:20:57 <Zakim> chimezie should now be muted
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14:21:28 <axelpolleres> topic: RDF WG resolution on plain literals
14:21:29 <LeeF> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011AprJun/0387.html
Lee Feigenbaum: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011AprJun/0387.html ←
14:21:51 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/StringLiterals/AbolishUntaggedPlain
Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/StringLiterals/AbolishUntaggedPlain ←
14:22:54 <axelpolleres> bottomline proposal: simple literals will be abolished in abstract RDF syntax and in various concrete syntaxes simple literals will be parsed as string-typed literals.
bottomline proposal: simple literals will be abolished in abstract RDF syntax and in various concrete syntaxes simple literals will be parsed as string-typed literals. ←
14:23:16 <LeeF> SHOULD serialize as "foo" instead of as "foo"^^xsd:string
Lee Feigenbaum: SHOULD serialize as "foo" instead of as "foo"^^xsd:string ←
14:23:29 <axelpolleres> ... ie implicit typing to xsd:string.
... ie implicit typing to xsd:string. ←
14:24:13 <AndyS> Implications : http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011AprJun/0390.html (may not be complete)
Andy Seaborne: Implications : http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011AprJun/0390.html (may not be complete) ←
14:24:18 <axelpolleres> Lee: tried to summarize how this affects us.
Lee Feigenbaum: tried to summarize how this affects us. ←
14:24:45 <pgearon> +q
Paul Gearon: +q ←
14:24:55 <LeeF> q- h
Lee Feigenbaum: q- h ←
14:24:58 <LeeF> ack pgearon
Lee Feigenbaum: ack pgearon ←
14:25:04 <axelpolleres> q+
q+ ←
14:25:28 <axelpolleres> Paul: like the decision, but not clear about plain lits with language tags.
Paul Gearon: like the decision, but not clear about plain lits with language tags. ←
14:25:47 <axelpolleres> Lee: language tagged plain literals are not affected by that decision.
Lee Feigenbaum: language tagged plain literals are not affected by that decision. ←
14:26:24 <kasei> q+ to talk about data matching triple patterns
Gregory Williams: q+ to talk about data matching triple patterns ←
14:26:25 <LeeF> ack axelpolleres
Lee Feigenbaum: ack axelpolleres ←
14:26:31 <axelpolleres> ... plain lits with lang tags still don't have a datatype (current state of affairs in RDF WG)
... plain lits with lang tags still don't have a datatype (current state of affairs in RDF WG) ←
14:26:36 <axelpolleres> zakim, unmute me
zakim, unmute me ←
14:26:36 <Zakim> AxelPolleres was not muted, axelpolleres
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14:27:30 <bglimm> I actually wanted to check OWL because I think OWL has a different idea of plain literals, but didn't get round to do it
Birte Glimm: I actually wanted to check OWL because I think OWL has a different idea of plain literals, but didn't get round to do it ←
14:27:38 <LeeF> ack kasei
Lee Feigenbaum: ack kasei ←
14:27:38 <Zakim> kasei, you wanted to talk about data matching triple patterns
Zakim IRC Bot: kasei, you wanted to talk about data matching triple patterns ←
14:28:13 <Zakim> -cbuilara
Zakim IRC Bot: -cbuilara ←
14:28:28 <axelpolleres> Greg: changes matching of triple patterns.
Gregory Williams: changes matching of triple patterns. ←
14:28:38 <AndyS> OWL+RIF will not see "foo@"^^rdf:plainLiteral, only "foo@lang"^^rdf:plainLiteral
Andy Seaborne: OWL+RIF will not see "foo@"^^rdf:plainLiteral, only "foo@lang"^^rdf:plainLiteral ←
14:28:47 <kasei> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011AprJun/0390.html
Gregory Williams: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011AprJun/0390.html ←
14:29:18 <axelpolleres> Axel: asking about RIF+OWL, but probably that's more concern of the RDF WG than ours here.
Axel Polleres: asking about RIF+OWL, but probably that's more concern of the RDF WG than ours here. ←
14:30:07 <LeeF> "foo" and "foo"^^xs:string will parse to the same abstract thing, and then match against that abstract thing
Lee Feigenbaum: "foo" and "foo"^^xs:string will parse to the same abstract thing, and then match against that abstract thing ←
14:30:50 <LeeF> What if your data store is an RDF 1.0 data store that still has some things that are simple literals and others which are xs:string literals?
Lee Feigenbaum: What if your data store is an RDF 1.0 data store that still has some things that are simple literals and others which are xs:string literals? ←
14:30:52 <axelpolleres> Lee: "foo" and "foo"^^xs:string in future will parse to the same
Lee Feigenbaum: "foo" and "foo"^^xs:string in future will parse to the same ←
14:31:19 <AndyS> Specifically, has data already loaded (RDF 1.0)
Andy Seaborne: Specifically, has data already loaded (RDF 1.0) ←
14:31:20 <axelpolleres> ... we need tro consider bw-compatibility with RDF1.0 stores.
... we need tro consider bw-compatibility with RDF1.0 stores. ←
14:32:32 <axelpolleres> ... there is a migration problem.
... there is a migration problem. ←
14:33:06 <axelpolleres> Greg: if you only control the SPARQL processor, but not the store.
Gregory Williams: if you only control the SPARQL processor, but not the store. ←
14:33:43 <axelpolleres> Lee: is this a blocking issue?
Lee Feigenbaum: is this a blocking issue? ←
14:33:44 <Zakim> +??P29
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P29 ←
14:33:53 <axelpolleres> Greg: no, just a hassle.
Gregory Williams: no, just a hassle. ←
14:33:54 <cbuilara> zakim, ??P29 is me
Carlos Buil Aranda: zakim, ??P29 is me ←
14:33:54 <Zakim> +cbuilara; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +cbuilara; got it ←
14:34:22 <axelpolleres> q+ to ask whether we need to go back from LC for a change in this regard?
q+ to ask whether we need to go back from LC for a change in this regard? ←
14:35:16 <axelpolleres> Andy: existing software can be affected, I'd like to understand what value it brings.
Andy Seaborne: existing software can be affected, I'd like to understand what value it brings. ←
14:35:47 <axelpolleres> Lee: our customers don't want to bother about adding xs:string or not.
Lee Feigenbaum: our customers don't want to bother about adding xs:string or not. ←
14:35:58 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
14:36:17 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
14:36:22 <sandro> (oops)
Sandro Hawke: (oops) ←
14:36:58 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-query/
Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-query/ ←
14:38:03 <axelpolleres> Lee: functions most probably affected, talk about simple literals, etc.
Lee Feigenbaum: functions most probably affected, talk about simple literals, etc. ←
14:38:19 <axelpolleres> ... need revising.
... need revising. ←
14:38:36 <LeeF> A < B simple literal simple literal
Lee Feigenbaum: A < B simple literal simple literal ←
14:39:03 <axelpolleres> +1 that functions probably only need revising, remember we added cases explicitly for the distinction, so unifying might just simplify things in some places?
+1 that functions probably only need revising, remember we added cases explicitly for the distinction, so unifying might just simplify things in some places? ←
14:39:55 <axelpolleres> Lee: thought that we might not need to change anything here (jsut by referring to the RDF concepts... but looks like we definitly need to make changes here.
Lee Feigenbaum: thought that we might not need to change anything here (jsut by referring to the RDF concepts... but looks like we definitly need to make changes here. ←
14:40:10 <axelpolleres> ... which will most probably trigger another LC.
... which will most probably trigger another LC. ←
14:40:24 <axelpolleres> Andy: It's a gray area.
Andy Seaborne: It's a gray area. ←
14:40:40 <axelpolleres> ... we'd just remove simple literals.
... we'd just remove simple literals. ←
14:41:08 <axelpolleres> Lee: in a sense we'd just remove a conformance criterion.
Lee Feigenbaum: in a sense we'd just remove a conformance criterion. ←
14:41:48 <axelpolleres> Andy: operator table itself ??? (didn't catch that, sorry)
Andy Seaborne: operator table itself ??? (didn't catch that, sorry) ←
14:42:51 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-query/#func-str
Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-query/#func-str ←
14:42:52 <AndyS> operator table itself looks to be a set of natural changes, not automatic 2LC (IMHO)
Andy Seaborne: operator table itself looks to be a set of natural changes, not automatic 2LC (IMHO) ←
14:43:14 <axelpolleres> ... we can't do too much here ATM until the final decision (?)
... we can't do too much here ATM until the final decision (?) ←
14:45:29 <axelpolleres> Andy: str is okayish, lang is potentially a problem
Andy Seaborne: str is okayish, lang is potentially a problem ←
14:46:32 <axelpolleres> ... strlen as well.
... strlang as well. ←
14:47:30 <AndyS> s/strlen/strlang/
14:47:36 <AndyS> and strdt()
Andy Seaborne: and strdt() ←
14:47:40 <axelpolleres> Lee: I see that can be made worked, but how do we deal with the migration problem processwise?
Lee Feigenbaum: I see that can be made worked, but how do we deal with the migration problem processwise? ←
14:48:57 <axelpolleres> Andy: OWL was held up by a similar issue?
Andy Seaborne: OWL was held up by a similar issue? ←
14:49:31 <axelpolleres> Sandro: We can provide the text we need in our specs, and hope the others adopt it.
Sandro Hawke: We can provide the text we need in our specs, and hope the others adopt it. ←
14:50:07 <axelpolleres> Andy: that'd be 2nd last call, wouldn't it?
Andy Seaborne: that'd be 2nd last call, wouldn't it? ←
14:50:35 <axelpolleres> Sandro: still don't understand how big of a change that is.
Sandro Hawke: still don't understand how big of a change that is. ←
14:52:11 <axelpolleres> charter question... "For all new features, backwards compatibility with the current version of SPARQL is of great importance. All queries, that are valid in the January 2008 version of SPARQL, should remain valid in the new version and should produce identical results, except in the case of errata. "
charter question... "For all new features, backwards compatibility with the current version of SPARQL is of great importance. All queries, that are valid in the January 2008 version of SPARQL, should remain valid in the new version and should produce identical results, except in the case of errata. " ←
14:52:51 <axelpolleres> q+
q+ ←
14:53:04 <axelpolleres> Andy: impact on SPARQL update not clear
Andy Seaborne: impact on SPARQL update not clear ←
14:53:28 <axelpolleres> Lee: most on SPARQL query, transparent to SPARQL Update..?
Lee Feigenbaum: most on SPARQL query, transparent to SPARQL Update..? ←
14:53:46 <axelpolleres> Andy: I think I could come up with examples that make a difference.
Andy Seaborne: I think I could come up with examples that make a difference. ←
14:54:07 <pgearon> +q
Paul Gearon: +q ←
14:54:21 <LeeF> ack axelpolleres
Lee Feigenbaum: ack axelpolleres ←
14:54:22 <Zakim> axelpolleres, you wanted to ask whether we need to go back from LC for a change in this regard? and to
Zakim IRC Bot: axelpolleres, you wanted to ask whether we need to go back from LC for a change in this regard? and to ←
14:54:24 <axelpolleres> Lee: yes,. but that's not because of affected SPARQL Update text, but because of affects on SPARQL query (implicitly referred to)
Lee Feigenbaum: yes,. but that's not because of affected SPARQL Update text, but because of affects on SPARQL query (implicitly referred to) ←
14:56:40 <axelpolleres> Axel: apart from the 2nd LC call issue, the cleanest way to be true to our charter would be to make case distinctions between RDF1.0 and RDF1.1.
Axel Polleres: apart from the 2nd LC call issue, the cleanest way to be true to our charter would be to make case distinctions between RDF1.0 and RDF1.1. ←
14:57:04 <LeeF> ack pgearon
Lee Feigenbaum: ack pgearon ←
14:57:20 <axelpolleres> Lee: that's a clean way, but we have to see whether that will work fo us.
Lee Feigenbaum: that's a clean way, but we have to see whether that will work fo us. ←
14:58:28 <axelpolleres> zakim, mute me
zakim, mute me ←
14:58:39 <Zakim> AxelPolleres should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: AxelPolleres should now be muted ←
14:58:44 <LeeF> I think it's a clean way, but i think it's a lot of work for us to get it right so that SPARQL 1.1 is clearly defined against RDF 1.0 and Expected RDF 1.1
Lee Feigenbaum: I think it's a clean way, but i think it's a lot of work for us to get it right so that SPARQL 1.1 is clearly defined against RDF 1.0 and Expected RDF 1.1 ←
14:58:58 <axelpolleres> Paul: i see where you're coming from with your example for SPARQL update, but still unsure about whether that's all for SPARQL update (?)
Paul Gearon: i see where you're coming from with your example for SPARQL update, but still unsure about whether that's all for SPARQL update (?) ←
15:00:14 <axelpolleres> the simplest, but dirty(?) way would be to refer to RDF1.0 only and then maybe produce a note or something towards the end on how to use SPARQL with RDF1.1
the simplest, but dirty(?) way would be to refer to RDF1.0 only and then maybe produce a note or something towards the end on how to use SPARQL with RDF1.1 ←
15:00:51 <axelpolleres> Paul: will write an email (on my concern)
Paul Gearon: will write an email (on my concern) ←
15:01:14 <axelpolleres> Lee: ask myself what the world would loook like if we stick with RDF1.0
Lee Feigenbaum: ask myself what the world would loook like if we stick with RDF1.0 ←
15:01:52 <axelpolleres> ... if we all agree with that SPARQL1.1 against RDF1.1 is obvious, maybe, we don't need to do anything.
... if we all agree with that SPARQL1.1 against RDF1.1 is obvious, maybe, we don't need to do anything. ←
15:02:00 <Zakim> -LeeF
Zakim IRC Bot: -LeeF ←
15:02:00 <bglimm> bye
Birte Glimm: bye ←
15:02:01 <chimezie> bye
Chimezie Ogbuji: bye ←
15:02:02 <pgearon> thanks
Paul Gearon: thanks ←
15:02:02 <Zakim> -MattPerry
Zakim IRC Bot: -MattPerry ←
15:02:02 <MattPerry> bye
Matthew Perry: bye ←
15:02:03 <axelpolleres> ... let's take it to email.
... let's take it to email. ←
15:02:04 <Zakim> -alex_
Zakim IRC Bot: -alex_ ←
15:02:05 <Zakim> -chimezie
Zakim IRC Bot: -chimezie ←
15:02:06 <alex_> bye
Alexandre Passant: bye ←
15:02:06 <Zakim> -bglimm
Zakim IRC Bot: -bglimm ←
15:02:07 <axelpolleres> adjourned
adjourned ←
15:02:07 <AndyS> ADJOURNED
Andy Seaborne: ADJOURNED ←
15:02:07 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
15:02:08 <Zakim> -pgearon
Zakim IRC Bot: -pgearon ←
15:02:09 <Zakim> -Olivier
Zakim IRC Bot: -Olivier ←
15:02:09 <Zakim> -cbuilara
Zakim IRC Bot: -cbuilara ←
15:02:13 <Zakim> -kasei
Zakim IRC Bot: -kasei ←
15:02:15 <Zakim> -AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS ←
15:02:20 <axelpolleres> rrsagent, make records public
rrsagent, make records public ←
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