SPARQL Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 31 May 2011

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2011-05-31
Seen
Andy Seaborne, Axel Polleres, Birte Glimm, Carlos Buil Aranda, Chimezie Ogbuji, Eric Prud'hommeaux, Gregory Williams, Lee Feigenbaum, Matthew Perry, Olivier Corby, Paul Gearon, Sandro Hawke, Steve Harris
Regrets
Birte Glimm, Olivier Corby, Chimezie Ogbuji, Axel Polleres, Gregory Williams
Scribe
Matthew Perry
IRC Log
Original and Editable Wiki Version
Resolutions
  1. Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-05-24 link
Topics
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13:58:39 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
13:58:39 <trackbot> Date: 31 May 2011
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13:58:42 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has now started

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13:58:43 <LeeF> zakim, this will be SPARQL

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13:58:48 <Zakim> +??P8

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13:58:53 <cbuilara> zakim, ??P8 is me

Carlos Buil Aranda: zakim, ??P8 is me

13:58:53 <Zakim> +cbuilara; got it

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13:59:15 <Zakim> +??P9

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13:59:18 <AndyS> zakim, ??P9 is me

Andy Seaborne: zakim, ??P9 is me

13:59:18 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it

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13:59:41 <AndyS> zakim, who is on the phone?

Andy Seaborne: zakim, who is on the phone?

13:59:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see cbuilara, AndyS

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13:59:45 <Zakim> +LeeF

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14:00:08 <AndyS> zakim, who is making noise?

Andy Seaborne: zakim, who is making noise?

14:00:16 <Zakim> +MattPerry

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14:00:20 <Zakim> AndyS, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds

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14:01:48 <LeeF> zakim, who's here?

Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, who's here?

14:01:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see cbuilara, AndyS, LeeF, MattPerry

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see cbuilara, AndyS, LeeF, MattPerry

14:01:49 <Zakim> On IRC I see SteveH_, RRSAgent, Zakim, cbuilara, MattPerry, AndyS, LeeF, SteveH, iv_an_ru_, pgearon, NickH, alepas, ericP, kasei, trackbot, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see SteveH_, RRSAgent, Zakim, cbuilara, MattPerry, AndyS, LeeF, SteveH, iv_an_ru_, pgearon, NickH, alepas, ericP, kasei, trackbot, sandro

14:02:14 <LeeF> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2011-05-31
14:02:27 <LeeF> scribenick: MattPerry

(Scribe set to Matthew Perry)

14:02:49 <LeeF> Regrets: bglimm, olivier, chime, axel, greg
14:03:01 <Zakim> +??P12

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14:03:08 <SteveH_> Zakim, ??P12 is me

Steve Harris: Zakim, ??P12 is me

14:03:08 <Zakim> +SteveH_; got it

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14:04:06 <LeeF> topic: admin

1. admin

14:04:10 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-05-24

PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-05-24

14:04:25 <Zakim> +sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +sandro

14:04:54 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-05-24

RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-05-24

14:05:04 <LeeF> Next regular meeting: 2011-06-07 @ 15:00 UK / 10:00 EST (scribe: Carlos)

Lee Feigenbaum: Next regular meeting: 2011-06-07 @ 15:00 UK / 10:00 EST (scribe: Carlos)

14:05:06 <SteveH> Zakim, SteveH_ is me

Steve Harris: Zakim, SteveH_ is me

14:05:06 <Zakim> +SteveH; got it

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14:05:23 <MattPerry> LeeF: Next meeting is during SemTech, should we have a meeting?

Lee Feigenbaum: Next meeting is during SemTech, should we have a meeting?

14:05:26 <AndyS> At SemTech -- regrets for next week

Andy Seaborne: At SemTech -- regrets for next week

14:05:32 <LeeF> At SemTech

Lee Feigenbaum: At SemTech

14:05:35 <MattPerry> At SemTech -- regrets

At SemTech -- regrets

14:05:38 <sandro> At SemTech

Sandro Hawke: At SemTech

14:05:39 <SteveH> I won't be at SemTech

Steve Harris: I won't be at SemTech

14:05:51 <cbuilara> I won't be at SemTech

Carlos Buil Aranda: I won't be at SemTech

14:05:52 <bglimm> I won't be at SemTech

Birte Glimm: I won't be at SemTech

14:06:20 <MattPerry> LeeF: I will catch up with Axel to decide on next meeting

Lee Feigenbaum: I will catch up with Axel to decide on next meeting

14:06:37 <SteveH> I'm at risk for next week anyway

Steve Harris: I'm at risk for next week anyway

14:06:39 <LeeF> topic: Charter

2. Charter

14:07:31 <MattPerry> LeeF: We set request to publish JSON document as FPWD and Last Call, but our charter said that JSON document is a Note ... this is a problem

Lee Feigenbaum: We set request to publish JSON document as FPWD and Last Call, but our charter said that JSON document is a Note ... this is a problem

14:07:59 <MattPerry> ... We will need to change the charter anyway for other things

... We will need to change the charter anyway for other things

14:08:11 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2011/05/sparql-charter

Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2011/05/sparql-charter

14:08:34 <MattPerry> ... Will publish other docs as last call when new charter is approved

... Will publish other docs as last call when new charter is approved

14:08:58 <MattPerry> @sandro: have updated charter based on reviews ... we are in good shape

@sandro: have updated charter based on reviews ... we are in good shape

14:08:59 <Zakim> +pgearon

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14:10:03 <MattPerry> ... process going forward is that it gets send to advisory committee to review

... process going forward is that it gets sent to advisory committee to review

14:10:11 <MattPerry> s/send/sent
14:10:38 <MattPerry> LeeF: should we try to target tomorrow's committee meeting?

Lee Feigenbaum: should we try to target tomorrow's committee meeting?

14:10:41 <MattPerry> @sandro: yes

@sandro: yes

14:11:43 <MattPerry> LeeF: I'm inclined to publish all remaining docs together

Lee Feigenbaum: I'm inclined to publish all remaining docs together

14:12:15 <MattPerry> AndyS: we're looking at mid July earliest?

Andy Seaborne: we're looking at mid July earliest?

14:13:09 <MattPerry> LeeF: probably ... could be early July

Lee Feigenbaum: probably ... could be early July

14:13:18 <LeeF> topic: Comments

3. Comments

14:13:20 <cbuilara> +q

Carlos Buil Aranda: +q

14:13:29 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments

Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments

14:13:31 <LeeF> ack cbuilara

Lee Feigenbaum: ack cbuilara

14:13:49 <MattPerry> cbuilara: publish docs in mid July for last call?

Carlos Buil Aranda: publish docs in mid July for last call?

14:13:53 <MattPerry> LeeF: yes

Lee Feigenbaum: yes

14:15:09 <MattPerry> LeeF: Andy sent out some responses about JSON document

Lee Feigenbaum: Andy sent out some responses about JSON document

14:16:14 <MattPerry> ... some editoral things from Ivan

... some editoral things from Ivan

14:16:34 <MattPerry> Andy: I have looked at those ... mostly editoral

Andy Seaborne: I have looked at those ... mostly editoral

14:18:10 <MattPerry> ... nothing worrisome

... nothing worrisome

14:19:08 <AndyS> SimonJ pinged me to ask if his comment had been received - I said yes and pointed to the archive.

Andy Seaborne: SimonJ pinged me to ask if his comment had been received - I said yes and pointed to the archive.

14:19:09 <LeeF> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2011May/0041.html

Lee Feigenbaum: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2011May/0041.html

14:19:24 <MattPerry> LeeF: Only other commen is from Michael Hausenblas

Lee Feigenbaum: Only other commen is from Michael Hausenblas

14:19:46 <MattPerry> ... He is concerned that it will be tough to do SPARQL update in large cluster environments

... He is concerned that it will be tough to do SPARQL update in large cluster environments

14:20:03 <MattPerry> ... requested a note about this

... requested a note about this

14:20:05 <AndyS> I asked him about journal based DBs which have update and append style performance

Andy Seaborne: I asked him about journal based DBs which have update and append style performance

14:20:14 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/index.php?title=CommentResponse:MH-LC-1

Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/index.php?title=CommentResponse:MH-LC-1

14:20:41 <SteveH> +1 to LeeF, not our role

Steve Harris: +1 to LeeF, not our role

14:20:50 <MattPerry> LeeF: It's not our role as spec drafters to talk about implementation strategies

Lee Feigenbaum: It's not our role as spec drafters to talk about implementation strategies

14:21:01 <AndyS> +1 to LeeF's draft

Andy Seaborne: +1 to LeeF's draft

14:21:35 <LeeF> topic: test case actions

4. test case actions

14:22:14 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/open

Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/open

14:23:01 <MattPerry> pgearon: I've made a start on my actions, but it will take some more time

Paul Gearon: I've made a start on my actions, but it will take some more time

14:23:58 <MattPerry> LeeF: Axel and I have actions for Federated Query tests ... will start working on them

Lee Feigenbaum: Axel and I have actions for Federated Query tests ... will start working on them

14:24:14 <MattPerry> LeeF: ... action to investigate reuse of old scripts

Lee Feigenbaum: ... action to investigate reuse of old scripts

14:24:17 <AndyS> eric's scripts

Andy Seaborne: eric's scripts

14:24:39 <MattPerry> LeeF: this is something we should do by CR

Lee Feigenbaum: this is something we should do by CR

14:24:54 <sandro> q+ to ask Chartering question

Sandro Hawke: q+ to ask Chartering question

14:25:01 <MattPerry> LeeF: Steve still has pending actions for aggregate tests

Lee Feigenbaum: Steve still has pending actions for aggregate tests

14:25:33 <MattPerry> SteveH: I have not had time yet

Steve Harris: I have not had time yet

14:26:06 <AndyS> Tests are very similar to SPARQL 1.0 - just a new URIs for test types

Andy Seaborne: Tests are very similar to SPARQL 1.0 - just a new URIs for test types

14:26:39 <MattPerry> LeeF: Any more binind tests?

Lee Feigenbaum: Any more binding tests?

14:26:57 <LeeF> close ACTION-376

Lee Feigenbaum: close ACTION-376

14:26:57 <trackbot> ACTION-376 Look at BINDINGS tests closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-376 Look at BINDINGS tests closed

14:27:20 <MattPerry> LeeF: will do my action on IF tests

Lee Feigenbaum: will do my action on IF tests

14:27:38 <MattPerry> s/binind/binding
14:28:33 <AndyS> ericP?

Andy Seaborne: ericP?

14:28:52 <MattPerry> LeeF: we have split up the function tests, but there are no actions for them.

Lee Feigenbaum: we have split up the function tests, but there are no actions for them.

14:29:10 <LeeF> ACTION: Lee to figure out what the status of tests for the new SPARQL 1.1 functions are

ACTION: Lee to figure out what the status of tests for the new SPARQL 1.1 functions are

14:29:10 <trackbot> Created ACTION-478 - Figure out what the status of tests for the new SPARQL 1.1 functions are [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-06-07].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-478 - Figure out what the status of tests for the new SPARQL 1.1 functions are [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-06-07].

14:29:32 <MattPerry> LeeF: Any more discussion points for today

Lee Feigenbaum: Any more discussion points for today

14:29:55 <MattPerry> @sandro: Wanted to see what to publish to overview document as: Rec or Note?

@sandro: Wanted to see what to publish to overview document as: Rec or Note?

14:30:15 <MattPerry> @sandor: I lean toward recommendation

@sandor: I lean toward recommendation

14:30:28 <MattPerry> @sandro: I lean toward recommendation

@sandro: I lean toward recommendation

14:30:50 <MattPerry> LeeF: will publish as recommendation

Lee Feigenbaum: will publish as recommendation

14:30:58 <AndyS> Bye all!

Andy Seaborne: Bye all!

14:31:00 <Zakim> -sandro

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14:31:01 <Zakim> -LeeF

Zakim IRC Bot: -LeeF

14:31:01 <Zakim> -pgearon

Zakim IRC Bot: -pgearon

14:31:02 <Zakim> -MattPerry

Zakim IRC Bot: -MattPerry

14:31:02 <Zakim> -SteveH

Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveH

14:31:05 <Zakim> -cbuilara

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14:31:07 <Zakim> -AndyS

Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS

14:31:08 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended

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14:31:10 <Zakim> Attendees were cbuilara, AndyS, LeeF, MattPerry, sandro, SteveH, pgearon

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were cbuilara, AndyS, LeeF, MattPerry, sandro, SteveH, pgearon

14:48:53 <ericP> AndyS, you were looking for me?

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Eric Prud'hommeaux: AndyS, you were looking for me?



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