SPARQL Working Group

Minutes of 19 April 2011

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2011-04-19
Present
Birte Glimm, Gregory Williams, Carlos Buil Aranda, Andy Seaborne, Matthew Perry, Lee Feigenbaum, Sandro Hawke, Souripriya Das, Olivier Corby, Nicholas Humfrey, Paul Gearon
Regrets
Axel Polleres, Steve Harris
Chair
Lee Feigenbaum
Scribe
Andy Seaborne
IRC Log
Original and Editable Wiki Version
Resolutions
  1. Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-04-05 link
  2. Unquoted decimal literals in SPARQL 1.1 must have at least one digit to the right of the decimal point & add note about this change to LC draft link
Topics
13:56:31 <LeeF> Present: bglimm, kasei, cbuilara, AndyS, MattPerry, LeeF, Sandro, Souri, OlivierCorby, NickH, pgearon
13:56:31 <LeeF> Chair: LeeF
13:56:35 <LeeF> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2011-04-19
13:56:46 <LeeF> Regrets: AxelPolleres, SteveH
14:00:40 <LeeF> zakim, who's on the phone?

Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, who's on the phone?

14:00:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see bglimm, kasei, cbuilara, AndyS, MattPerry, +1.617.489.aacc, LeeF

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bglimm, kasei, cbuilara, AndyS, MattPerry, +1.617.489.aacc, LeeF

14:02:51 <AndyS> scribe: AndyS

(Scribe set to Andy Seaborne)

14:02:56 <AndyS> scribenick: AndyS
14:03:04 <LeeF> topic: Admin

1. Admin

14:03:11 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-04-05

PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-04-05

14:03:31 <AndyS> Last weeks meeting was not quorate.

Last weeks meeting was not quorate.

14:03:35 <Zakim> +Souri

Zakim IRC Bot: +Souri

14:03:56 <AndyS> tests approved (syntax, pp tests)

tests approved (syntax, pp tests)

14:04:10 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-04-05

RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-04-05

14:04:27 <AndyS> LeeF: next meeting in one week

Lee Feigenbaum: next meeting in one week

14:04:31 <AndyS> ... same time

... same time

14:04:33 <LeeF> Next regular meeting: 2011-04-26 @ 15:00 UK / 10:00 EDT (scribe: Alex or Olivier)

Lee Feigenbaum: Next regular meeting: 2011-04-26 @ 15:00 UK / 10:00 EDT (scribe: Alex or Olivier)

14:04:42 <AndyS> ... Alex or Olivier to scribe.

... Alex or Olivier to scribe.

14:04:55 <Zakim> +OlivierCorby

Zakim IRC Bot: +OlivierCorby

14:05:28 <AndyS> ... in general, we are heading to LC decisions -- good for people to attend TC's to exprss support.

... in general, we are heading to LC decisions -- good for people to attend TC's to exprss support.

14:05:46 <AndyS> subtopic: comments

1.1. comments

14:05:56 <AndyS> LeeF: No new comments.

Lee Feigenbaum: No new comments.

14:06:28 <AndyS> ... asking editors to clear up-and-out comments esp anything not editorial.

... asking editors to clear up-and-out comments esp anything not editorial.

14:06:42 <AndyS> ... key is substantive changes to LC docs

... key is substantive changes to LC docs

14:07:05 <AndyS> ... because LC means "we are done - will not change in substance"

... because LC means "we are done - will not change in substance"

14:07:28 <AndyS> ... if an impl would change then new LC needed and clock is reset

... if an impl would change then new LC needed and clock is reset

14:07:34 <AndyS> q+

q+

14:07:42 <LeeF> ack AndyS

Lee Feigenbaum: ack AndyS

14:07:53 <LeeF> AndyS: one property path comment is near to substantive comment

Andy Seaborne: one property path comment is near to substantive comment [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ]

14:08:03 <LeeF> ... related to expectations on invariants in paths

Lee Feigenbaum: ... related to expectations on invariants in paths

14:08:26 <LeeF> ... not a mistake as much as a difference in expectation

Lee Feigenbaum: ... not a mistake as much as a difference in expectation

14:09:25 <AndyS> AndyS: will bring discussion to mailing list

Andy Seaborne: will bring discussion to mailing list

14:09:28 <LeeF> topic: Last Call Decision on MAY 3

2. Last Call Decision on MAY 3

14:10:22 <LeeF>  IMPORTANT: Our goal is to make a decision to publish the majority of our specifications as Last Call at our May 3, 2011 telecon

Lee Feigenbaum: IMPORTANT: Our goal is to make a decision to publish the majority of our specifications as Last Call at our May 3, 2011 telecon

14:10:45 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/To_Last_Call

Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/To_Last_Call

14:11:19 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, unmute me

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14:11:33 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me

14:11:33 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted

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14:11:33 <AndyS> subtopic: query

2.1. query

14:11:42 <LeeF> ACTION: Birte to review query draft to see if comments have been addressed appropriately

ACTION: Birte to review query draft to see if comments have been addressed appropriately

14:11:42 <trackbot> Created ACTION-438 - Review query draft to see if comments have been addressed appropriately [on Birte Glimm - due 2011-04-26].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-438 - Review query draft to see if comments have been addressed appropriately [on Birte Glimm - due 2011-04-26].

14:12:17 <AndyS> LeeF to ask Steve to check aggregate tests to confirm design

LeeF to ask Steve to check aggregate tests to confirm design

14:13:02 <AndyS> AndyS to fix bug in ZeroLengthPath ; fix RDF dataset merge defn.  Some non-LC matters.

AndyS to fix bug in ZeroLengthPath ; fix RDF dataset merge defn. Some non-LC matters.

14:13:57 <AndyS> LeeF: Procedurally, confirm with reviewers all matters have been attended to (as a round table in TC - pls note)

Lee Feigenbaum: Procedurally, confirm with reviewers all matters have been attended to (as a round table in TC - pls note)

14:13:59 <Zakim> +Bert

Zakim IRC Bot: +Bert

14:14:44 <AndyS> subtopic: update

2.2. update

14:15:14 <AndyS> Axel has been working with editors to address comments esp formal model.  ready for next Tues

Axel has been working with editors to address comments esp formal model. ready for next Tues

14:15:23 <AndyS> ... inc kasei comments

... inc kasei comments

14:15:36 <AndyS> ... then one week for general review checking.

... then one week for general review checking.

14:16:21 <AndyS> subtopic: protocol

2.3. protocol

14:16:30 <Zakim> +??P53

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P53

14:16:40 <AndyS> LeeF: now in much more reasonable state.

Lee Feigenbaum: now in much more reasonable state.

14:16:53 <LeeF> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011AprJun/0046.html

Lee Feigenbaum: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011AprJun/0046.html

14:16:53 <NickH> zakim, ??P53 is me

Nicholas Humfrey: zakim, ??P53 is me

14:16:53 <Zakim> +NickH; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +NickH; got it

14:16:54 <AndyS> ... more work on it this week.

... more work on it this week.

14:16:59 <Zakim> -OlivierCorby

Zakim IRC Bot: -OlivierCorby

14:17:54 <AndyS> .. add example and clean up.  Editorial but quite a lot so not good to leave to "LC editting"

.. add example and clean up. Editorial but quite a lot so not good to leave to "LC editting"

14:18:37 <AndyS> ... variety of things need addressing to make sure all comments addressed.

... variety of things need addressing to make sure all comments addressed.

14:18:49 <AndyS> ... protocol is only a little behind LC schedule.

... protocol is only a little behind LC schedule.

14:19:10 <AndyS> subtopic: service description

2.4. service description

14:19:22 <AndyS> LeeF: Nico did a second set of comments.

Lee Feigenbaum: Nico did a second set of comments.

14:20:01 <bglimm> I can have a look

Birte Glimm: I can have a look

14:20:01 <AndyS> kasei: one thing to address,  about entailment.  Unclear - needs coord with entailment people.

Gregory Williams: one thing to address, about entailment. Unclear - needs coord with entailment people.

14:20:13 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me

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14:20:37 <AndyS> bglimm: I can take a look at the comments.

Birte Glimm: I can take a look at the comments.

14:20:38 <LeeF> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011AprJun/0043.html

Lee Feigenbaum: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011AprJun/0043.html

14:20:50 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me

14:20:50 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted

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14:21:52 <LeeF> ACTION: Greg to coordinate with Lee to resolve Serv Desc dependencies on protocol document

ACTION: Greg to coordinate with Lee to resolve Serv Desc dependencies on protocol document

14:21:52 <trackbot> Created ACTION-439 - Coordinate with Lee to resolve Serv Desc dependencies on protocol document [on Gregory Williams - due 2011-04-26].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-439 - Coordinate with Lee to resolve Serv Desc dependencies on protocol document [on Gregory Williams - due 2011-04-26].

14:21:55 <AndyS> LeeF: align to protocol - can deal with this with a brief IRC chat.  Make sure anchors etc in doc to link to.

Lee Feigenbaum: align to protocol - can deal with this with a brief IRC chat. Make sure anchors etc in doc to link to.

14:22:30 <AndyS> ... and service description ready for 2 weeks time.

... and service description ready for 2 weeks time.

14:22:33 <AndyS> subtopic: Graph Store HTTP Protocol

2.5. Graph Store HTTP Protocol

14:22:53 <AndyS> Wiki page out of date - issues have been dealt with

Wiki page out of date - issues have been dealt with

14:24:28 <AndyS> LeeF: chime has an action to look at entailment and negation tests.

Lee Feigenbaum: chime has an action to look at entailment and negation tests.

14:24:43 <AndyS> subtopic: entailment doc

2.6. entailment doc

14:24:44 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me

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14:25:02 <AndyS> LeeF: Good shape.  Waiting on comments from Jeff+colleague

Lee Feigenbaum: Good shape. Waiting on comments from Jeff+colleague

14:25:10 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me

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14:25:38 <AndyS> ... chime has an outstanding action to review changes of RIF regimes -- done -- chime OK with that section.

... chime has an outstanding action to review changes of RIF regimes -- done -- chime OK with that section.

14:25:51 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me

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14:26:13 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me

14:26:13 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted

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14:26:14 <AndyS> bglimm: no work planned, minor editorial only.

Birte Glimm: no work planned, minor editorial only.

14:26:17 <Zakim> -Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro

14:26:24 <AndyS> subtopic: federated query

2.7. federated query

14:26:35 <Zakim> +Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro

14:26:38 <AndyS> LeeF: Waiting for reviews from Axel and LeeF.

Lee Feigenbaum: Waiting for reviews from Axel and LeeF.

14:26:57 <AndyS> subtopic: JSON results

2.8. JSON results

14:27:17 <AndyS> No progress.  Unlikely to move at same time as other docs.

No progress. Unlikely to move at same time as other docs.

14:27:42 <AndyS> Should not be a problem as it is a NOTE currently.

Should not be a problem as it is a NOTE currently.

14:28:29 <AndyS> AndyS: No substantive changes ... major editorial needs.

Andy Seaborne: No substantive changes ... major editorial needs.

14:28:39 <AndyS> subtopic: summary LC

2.9. summary LC

14:28:44 <AndyS> LeeF: Are we ready?

Lee Feigenbaum: Are we ready?

14:28:50 <AndyS> (silence)

(silence)

14:28:55 <LeeF> topic: Parsing "18." in SPARQL

3. Parsing "18." in SPARQL

14:29:13 <LeeF> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011AprJun/0044.html

Lee Feigenbaum: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011AprJun/0044.html

14:29:45 <AndyS> LeeF: RDF-WG wants to std-ize Turtle.

Lee Feigenbaum: RDF-WG wants to std-ize Turtle.

14:30:05 <AndyS> ... one issues is that token  18.   is a decimal.

... one issues is that token 18. is a decimal.

14:30:31 <AndyS> ... suggestion that this is not good (e.g. DOT is end of triples)

... suggestion that this is not good (e.g. DOT is end of triples)

14:30:46 <AndyS> ... need space for 18-integer and end of triple.

... need space for 18-integer and end of triple.

14:30:58 <AndyS> ... so make it digit needed after decimal point.

... so make it digit needed after decimal point.

14:31:01 <LeeF> 18. would parse as "18"^^xsd:integer followed by the end of a triple

Lee Feigenbaum: 18. would parse as "18"^^xsd:integer followed by the end of a triple

14:31:39 <AndyS> ... this is a change.  Shall we regard it as a bug to be fixed or an incompatible change.

... this is a change. Shall we regard it as a bug to be fixed or an incompatible change.

14:31:58 <AndyS> ... 3 options on 0044 (line above)

... 3 options on 0044 (line above)

14:32:13 <AndyS> ... generally do (1) make change.

... generally do (1) make change.

14:32:50 <AndyS> ... big red box to highlight it to LC as a change to SPARQL (a query can change meaning)

... big red box to highlight it to LC as a change to SPARQL (a query can change meaning)

14:32:51 <AndyS> q+

q+

14:32:56 <LeeF> ack AndyS

Lee Feigenbaum: ack AndyS

14:33:24 <LeeF> AndyS's message with other potential incompatibility issues: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011AprJun/0049.html

Lee Feigenbaum: AndyS's message with other potential incompatibility issues: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011AprJun/0049.html

14:33:32 <LeeF> [ :p 1 ; :p 2 ]

Lee Feigenbaum: [ :p 1 ; :p 2 ]

14:33:36 <LeeF> (1 2 3 4) .

Lee Feigenbaum: (1 2 3 4) .

14:33:41 <LeeF> both legal in SPARQL, not in Turtle

Lee Feigenbaum: both legal in SPARQL, not in Turtle

14:34:12 <LeeF> AndyS: also, "." not required at the end of BGP, but not at the end of the file in Turtle

Andy Seaborne: also, "." not required at the end of BGP, but not at the end of the file in Turtle [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ]

14:34:22 <LeeF> LeeF: it comes up in TriG more often :)

Lee Feigenbaum: it comes up in TriG more often :) [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ]

14:35:51 <LeeF> ACTION: Lee to bring Turtle/SPARQL incompatibility issues to the attention of RDF WG

ACTION: Lee to bring Turtle/SPARQL incompatibility issues to the attention of RDF WG

14:35:52 <trackbot> Created ACTION-440 - Bring Turtle/SPARQL incompatibility issues to the attention of RDF WG  [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-04-26].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-440 - Bring Turtle/SPARQL incompatibility issues to the attention of RDF WG [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-04-26].

14:36:11 <Zakim> +pgearon

Zakim IRC Bot: +pgearon

14:36:49 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Unquoted decimal literals in SPARQL 1.1 must have at least one digit to the right of the decimal point

PROPOSED: Unquoted decimal literals in SPARQL 1.1 must have at least one digit to the right of the decimal point

14:37:05 <AndyS> +1

+1

14:37:12 <sandro> +1

Sandro Hawke: +1

14:37:13 <pgearon> +1

Paul Gearon: +1

14:37:13 <NickH> +1

Nicholas Humfrey: +1

14:37:21 <bglimm> +1

Birte Glimm: +1

14:37:37 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Unquoted decimal literals in SPARQL 1.1 must have at least one digit to the right of the decimal point & add note about this change to LC draft

PROPOSED: Unquoted decimal literals in SPARQL 1.1 must have at least one digit to the right of the decimal point & add note about this change to LC draft

14:37:45 <bglimm> +1

Birte Glimm: +1

14:37:58 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Unquoted decimal literals in SPARQL 1.1 must have at least one digit to the right of the decimal point & add note about this change to LC draft

RESOLVED: Unquoted decimal literals in SPARQL 1.1 must have at least one digit to the right of the decimal point & add note about this change to LC draft

14:38:44 <LeeF> topic: test status

4. test status

14:40:41 <LeeF> ACTION: Lee to follow-up with Andy and Chime about running entailment test cases

ACTION: Lee to follow-up with Andy and Chime about running entailment test cases

14:40:42 <trackbot> Created ACTION-441 - Follow-up with Andy and Chime about running entailment test cases [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-04-26].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-441 - Follow-up with Andy and Chime about running entailment test cases [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-04-26].

14:41:25 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/open

Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/open

14:41:32 <AndyS> LeeF: check on actions, issues and process

Lee Feigenbaum: check on actions, issues and process

14:41:55 <AndyS> ISSUE-19 - Update and protocol doc will cover.

ISSUE-19 - Update and protocol doc will cover.

14:41:55 <trackbot> ISSUE-19 Security issues on SPARQL/UPdate notes added

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-19 Security issues on SPARQL/UPdate notes added

14:42:18 <AndyS> ISSUE-33 -- moot - WSDL not used any more - need to check

ISSUE-33 -- moot - WSDL not used any more - need to check

14:42:37 <AndyS> ISSUE-60 - protocol doc

ISSUE-60 - protocol doc

14:43:06 <AndyS> ISSUE-65 - query and update are different query string name.

ISSUE-65 - query and update are different query string name.

14:44:00 <AndyS> LeeF: Any comments?

Lee Feigenbaum: Any comments?

14:44:24 <AndyS> (LeeF explains his strategy for WG)

(LeeF explains his strategy for WG)

14:45:30 <AndyS> ISSUE-66 - CONCAT + ORDER BY

ISSUE-66 - CONCAT + ORDER BY

14:45:37 <Zakim> -bglimm

Zakim IRC Bot: -bglimm

14:47:02 <AndyS> AndyS: Adding it would not change one legal query to another

Andy Seaborne: Adding it would not change one legal query to another

14:47:19 <AndyS> LeeF: Next week will bring tio WG to close with "no change"

Lee Feigenbaum: Next week will bring tio WG to close with "no change"

14:47:23 <AndyS> actions ...

actions ...

14:47:24 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/open?sort=owner

Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/open?sort=owner

14:48:47 <AndyS> ACTION-404 is done.

ACTION-404 is done.

14:48:53 <LeeF> close ACTION-404

Lee Feigenbaum: close ACTION-404

14:48:53 <trackbot> Sorry... closing ACTION-404 failed, please let sysreq know about it

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry... closing ACTION-404 failed, please let sysreq know about it

14:49:01 <LeeF> close ACTION-379

Lee Feigenbaum: close ACTION-379

14:49:02 <trackbot> ACTION-379 Ask Chimezie to look at KK-6 and GR-3 closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-379 Ask Chimezie to look at KK-6 and GR-3 closed

14:53:05 <kasei> q+

Gregory Williams: q+

14:54:06 <LeeF> ack kasei

Lee Feigenbaum: ack kasei

14:54:16 <LeeF> ACTION: Lee to figure out why styling of RFC2119 tags is different across documents

ACTION: Lee to figure out why styling of RFC2119 tags is different across documents

14:54:16 <trackbot> Created ACTION-442 - Figure out why styling of RFC2119 tags is different across documents [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-04-26].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-442 - Figure out why styling of RFC2119 tags is different across documents [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-04-26].

14:55:51 <AndyS> adjourned

adjourned

14:56:00 <Zakim> -LeeF

Zakim IRC Bot: -LeeF

14:56:04 <MattPerry> bye

Matthew Perry: bye

14:56:04 <Zakim> -Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro

14:56:06 <Zakim> -Bert

Zakim IRC Bot: -Bert

14:56:07 <Zakim> -kasei

Zakim IRC Bot: -kasei

14:56:08 <Zakim> -pgearon

Zakim IRC Bot: -pgearon

14:56:09 <Zakim> -Souri

Zakim IRC Bot: -Souri

14:56:11 <AndyS> rrsagent, please make logs public

rrsagent, please make logs public

14:56:11 <Zakim> -NickH

Zakim IRC Bot: -NickH

14:56:11 <NickH> Bye!

Nicholas Humfrey: Bye!

14:56:12 <Zakim> -MattPerry

Zakim IRC Bot: -MattPerry

14:56:15 <Zakim> -cbuilara

Zakim IRC Bot: -cbuilara

14:56:25 <Zakim> -AndyS

Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS

14:56:26 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended

14:56:28 <Zakim> Attendees were bglimm, +1.310.729.aaaa, kasei, cbuilara, AndyS, +1.603.897.aabb, MattPerry, +1.617.489.aacc, LeeF, Sandro, Souri, OlivierCorby, Bert, NickH, pgearon

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were bglimm, +1.310.729.aaaa, kasei, cbuilara, AndyS, +1.603.897.aabb, MattPerry, +1.617.489.aacc, LeeF, Sandro, Souri, OlivierCorby, Bert, NickH, pgearon

14:56:48 <AndyS> zakim, please leave

zakim, please leave

15:03:22 <LeeF> kasei, re: adding tests for SPARQL 1.0-isms, I think that's totally fine

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Lee Feigenbaum: kasei, re: adding tests for SPARQL 1.0-isms, I think that's totally fine



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