13:56:31 <LeeF> Present: bglimm, kasei, cbuilara, AndyS, MattPerry, LeeF, Sandro, Souri, OlivierCorby, NickH, pgearon
13:56:31 <LeeF> Chair: LeeF
13:56:35 <LeeF> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2011-04-19
13:56:46 <LeeF> Regrets: AxelPolleres, SteveH
14:00:40 <LeeF> zakim, who's on the phone?
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, who's on the phone? ←
14:00:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see bglimm, kasei, cbuilara, AndyS, MattPerry, +1.617.489.aacc, LeeF
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bglimm, kasei, cbuilara, AndyS, MattPerry, +1.617.489.aacc, LeeF ←
14:02:51 <AndyS> scribe: AndyS
(Scribe set to Andy Seaborne)
14:02:56 <AndyS> scribenick: AndyS
14:03:04 <LeeF> topic: Admin
14:03:11 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-04-05
PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-04-05 ←
14:03:31 <AndyS> Last weeks meeting was not quorate.
Last weeks meeting was not quorate. ←
14:03:35 <Zakim> +Souri
Zakim IRC Bot: +Souri ←
14:03:56 <AndyS> tests approved (syntax, pp tests)
tests approved (syntax, pp tests) ←
14:04:10 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-04-05
RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-04-05 ←
14:04:27 <AndyS> LeeF: next meeting in one week
Lee Feigenbaum: next meeting in one week ←
14:04:31 <AndyS> ... same time
... same time ←
14:04:33 <LeeF> Next regular meeting: 2011-04-26 @ 15:00 UK / 10:00 EDT (scribe: Alex or Olivier)
Lee Feigenbaum: Next regular meeting: 2011-04-26 @ 15:00 UK / 10:00 EDT (scribe: Alex or Olivier) ←
14:04:42 <AndyS> ... Alex or Olivier to scribe.
... Alex or Olivier to scribe. ←
14:04:55 <Zakim> +OlivierCorby
Zakim IRC Bot: +OlivierCorby ←
14:05:28 <AndyS> ... in general, we are heading to LC decisions -- good for people to attend TC's to exprss support.
... in general, we are heading to LC decisions -- good for people to attend TC's to exprss support. ←
14:05:46 <AndyS> subtopic: comments
14:05:56 <AndyS> LeeF: No new comments.
Lee Feigenbaum: No new comments. ←
14:06:28 <AndyS> ... asking editors to clear up-and-out comments esp anything not editorial.
... asking editors to clear up-and-out comments esp anything not editorial. ←
14:06:42 <AndyS> ... key is substantive changes to LC docs
... key is substantive changes to LC docs ←
14:07:05 <AndyS> ... because LC means "we are done - will not change in substance"
... because LC means "we are done - will not change in substance" ←
14:07:28 <AndyS> ... if an impl would change then new LC needed and clock is reset
... if an impl would change then new LC needed and clock is reset ←
14:07:34 <AndyS> q+
q+ ←
14:07:42 <LeeF> ack AndyS
Lee Feigenbaum: ack AndyS ←
14:07:53 <LeeF> AndyS: one property path comment is near to substantive comment
Andy Seaborne: one property path comment is near to substantive comment [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
14:08:03 <LeeF> ... related to expectations on invariants in paths
Lee Feigenbaum: ... related to expectations on invariants in paths ←
14:08:26 <LeeF> ... not a mistake as much as a difference in expectation
Lee Feigenbaum: ... not a mistake as much as a difference in expectation ←
14:09:25 <AndyS> AndyS: will bring discussion to mailing list
Andy Seaborne: will bring discussion to mailing list ←
14:09:28 <LeeF> topic: Last Call Decision on MAY 3
14:10:22 <LeeF> IMPORTANT: Our goal is to make a decision to publish the majority of our specifications as Last Call at our May 3, 2011 telecon
Lee Feigenbaum: IMPORTANT: Our goal is to make a decision to publish the majority of our specifications as Last Call at our May 3, 2011 telecon ←
14:10:45 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/To_Last_Call
Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/To_Last_Call ←
14:11:19 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, unmute me ←
14:11:19 <Zakim> bglimm should no longer be muted
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14:11:33 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
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14:11:33 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted
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14:11:33 <AndyS> subtopic: query
14:11:42 <LeeF> ACTION: Birte to review query draft to see if comments have been addressed appropriately
ACTION: Birte to review query draft to see if comments have been addressed appropriately ←
14:11:42 <trackbot> Created ACTION-438 - Review query draft to see if comments have been addressed appropriately [on Birte Glimm - due 2011-04-26].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-438 - Review query draft to see if comments have been addressed appropriately [on Birte Glimm - due 2011-04-26]. ←
14:12:17 <AndyS> LeeF to ask Steve to check aggregate tests to confirm design
LeeF to ask Steve to check aggregate tests to confirm design ←
14:13:02 <AndyS> AndyS to fix bug in ZeroLengthPath ; fix RDF dataset merge defn. Some non-LC matters.
AndyS to fix bug in ZeroLengthPath ; fix RDF dataset merge defn. Some non-LC matters. ←
14:13:57 <AndyS> LeeF: Procedurally, confirm with reviewers all matters have been attended to (as a round table in TC - pls note)
Lee Feigenbaum: Procedurally, confirm with reviewers all matters have been attended to (as a round table in TC - pls note) ←
14:13:59 <Zakim> +Bert
Zakim IRC Bot: +Bert ←
14:14:44 <AndyS> subtopic: update
14:15:14 <AndyS> Axel has been working with editors to address comments esp formal model. ready for next Tues
Axel has been working with editors to address comments esp formal model. ready for next Tues ←
14:15:23 <AndyS> ... inc kasei comments
... inc kasei comments ←
14:15:36 <AndyS> ... then one week for general review checking.
... then one week for general review checking. ←
14:16:21 <AndyS> subtopic: protocol
14:16:30 <Zakim> +??P53
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P53 ←
14:16:40 <AndyS> LeeF: now in much more reasonable state.
Lee Feigenbaum: now in much more reasonable state. ←
14:16:53 <LeeF> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011AprJun/0046.html
Lee Feigenbaum: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011AprJun/0046.html ←
14:16:53 <NickH> zakim, ??P53 is me
Nicholas Humfrey: zakim, ??P53 is me ←
14:16:53 <Zakim> +NickH; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +NickH; got it ←
14:16:54 <AndyS> ... more work on it this week.
... more work on it this week. ←
14:16:59 <Zakim> -OlivierCorby
Zakim IRC Bot: -OlivierCorby ←
14:17:54 <AndyS> .. add example and clean up. Editorial but quite a lot so not good to leave to "LC editting"
.. add example and clean up. Editorial but quite a lot so not good to leave to "LC editting" ←
14:18:37 <AndyS> ... variety of things need addressing to make sure all comments addressed.
... variety of things need addressing to make sure all comments addressed. ←
14:18:49 <AndyS> ... protocol is only a little behind LC schedule.
... protocol is only a little behind LC schedule. ←
14:19:10 <AndyS> subtopic: service description
14:19:22 <AndyS> LeeF: Nico did a second set of comments.
Lee Feigenbaum: Nico did a second set of comments. ←
14:20:01 <bglimm> I can have a look
Birte Glimm: I can have a look ←
14:20:01 <AndyS> kasei: one thing to address, about entailment. Unclear - needs coord with entailment people.
Gregory Williams: one thing to address, about entailment. Unclear - needs coord with entailment people. ←
14:20:13 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me
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14:20:37 <AndyS> bglimm: I can take a look at the comments.
Birte Glimm: I can take a look at the comments. ←
14:20:38 <LeeF> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011AprJun/0043.html
Lee Feigenbaum: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011AprJun/0043.html ←
14:20:50 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me ←
14:20:50 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted ←
14:21:52 <LeeF> ACTION: Greg to coordinate with Lee to resolve Serv Desc dependencies on protocol document
ACTION: Greg to coordinate with Lee to resolve Serv Desc dependencies on protocol document ←
14:21:52 <trackbot> Created ACTION-439 - Coordinate with Lee to resolve Serv Desc dependencies on protocol document [on Gregory Williams - due 2011-04-26].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-439 - Coordinate with Lee to resolve Serv Desc dependencies on protocol document [on Gregory Williams - due 2011-04-26]. ←
14:21:55 <AndyS> LeeF: align to protocol - can deal with this with a brief IRC chat. Make sure anchors etc in doc to link to.
Lee Feigenbaum: align to protocol - can deal with this with a brief IRC chat. Make sure anchors etc in doc to link to. ←
14:22:30 <AndyS> ... and service description ready for 2 weeks time.
... and service description ready for 2 weeks time. ←
14:22:33 <AndyS> subtopic: Graph Store HTTP Protocol
14:22:53 <AndyS> Wiki page out of date - issues have been dealt with
Wiki page out of date - issues have been dealt with ←
14:24:28 <AndyS> LeeF: chime has an action to look at entailment and negation tests.
Lee Feigenbaum: chime has an action to look at entailment and negation tests. ←
14:24:43 <AndyS> subtopic: entailment doc
14:24:44 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me
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14:25:02 <AndyS> LeeF: Good shape. Waiting on comments from Jeff+colleague
Lee Feigenbaum: Good shape. Waiting on comments from Jeff+colleague ←
14:25:10 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
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14:25:38 <AndyS> ... chime has an outstanding action to review changes of RIF regimes -- done -- chime OK with that section.
... chime has an outstanding action to review changes of RIF regimes -- done -- chime OK with that section. ←
14:25:51 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me
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14:26:13 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
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14:26:13 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted
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14:26:14 <AndyS> bglimm: no work planned, minor editorial only.
Birte Glimm: no work planned, minor editorial only. ←
14:26:17 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
14:26:24 <AndyS> subtopic: federated query
14:26:35 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
14:26:38 <AndyS> LeeF: Waiting for reviews from Axel and LeeF.
Lee Feigenbaum: Waiting for reviews from Axel and LeeF. ←
14:26:57 <AndyS> subtopic: JSON results
14:27:17 <AndyS> No progress. Unlikely to move at same time as other docs.
No progress. Unlikely to move at same time as other docs. ←
14:27:42 <AndyS> Should not be a problem as it is a NOTE currently.
Should not be a problem as it is a NOTE currently. ←
14:28:29 <AndyS> AndyS: No substantive changes ... major editorial needs.
Andy Seaborne: No substantive changes ... major editorial needs. ←
14:28:39 <AndyS> subtopic: summary LC
14:28:44 <AndyS> LeeF: Are we ready?
Lee Feigenbaum: Are we ready? ←
14:28:50 <AndyS> (silence)
(silence) ←
14:28:55 <LeeF> topic: Parsing "18." in SPARQL
14:29:13 <LeeF> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011AprJun/0044.html
Lee Feigenbaum: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011AprJun/0044.html ←
14:29:45 <AndyS> LeeF: RDF-WG wants to std-ize Turtle.
Lee Feigenbaum: RDF-WG wants to std-ize Turtle. ←
14:30:05 <AndyS> ... one issues is that token 18. is a decimal.
... one issues is that token 18. is a decimal. ←
14:30:31 <AndyS> ... suggestion that this is not good (e.g. DOT is end of triples)
... suggestion that this is not good (e.g. DOT is end of triples) ←
14:30:46 <AndyS> ... need space for 18-integer and end of triple.
... need space for 18-integer and end of triple. ←
14:30:58 <AndyS> ... so make it digit needed after decimal point.
... so make it digit needed after decimal point. ←
14:31:01 <LeeF> 18. would parse as "18"^^xsd:integer followed by the end of a triple
Lee Feigenbaum: 18. would parse as "18"^^xsd:integer followed by the end of a triple ←
14:31:39 <AndyS> ... this is a change. Shall we regard it as a bug to be fixed or an incompatible change.
... this is a change. Shall we regard it as a bug to be fixed or an incompatible change. ←
14:31:58 <AndyS> ... 3 options on 0044 (line above)
... 3 options on 0044 (line above) ←
14:32:13 <AndyS> ... generally do (1) make change.
... generally do (1) make change. ←
14:32:50 <AndyS> ... big red box to highlight it to LC as a change to SPARQL (a query can change meaning)
... big red box to highlight it to LC as a change to SPARQL (a query can change meaning) ←
14:32:51 <AndyS> q+
q+ ←
14:32:56 <LeeF> ack AndyS
Lee Feigenbaum: ack AndyS ←
14:33:24 <LeeF> AndyS's message with other potential incompatibility issues: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011AprJun/0049.html
Lee Feigenbaum: AndyS's message with other potential incompatibility issues: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011AprJun/0049.html ←
14:33:32 <LeeF> [ :p 1 ; :p 2 ]
Lee Feigenbaum: [ :p 1 ; :p 2 ] ←
14:33:36 <LeeF> (1 2 3 4) .
Lee Feigenbaum: (1 2 3 4) . ←
14:33:41 <LeeF> both legal in SPARQL, not in Turtle
Lee Feigenbaum: both legal in SPARQL, not in Turtle ←
14:34:12 <LeeF> AndyS: also, "." not required at the end of BGP, but not at the end of the file in Turtle
Andy Seaborne: also, "." not required at the end of BGP, but not at the end of the file in Turtle [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
14:34:22 <LeeF> LeeF: it comes up in TriG more often :)
Lee Feigenbaum: it comes up in TriG more often :) [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
14:35:51 <LeeF> ACTION: Lee to bring Turtle/SPARQL incompatibility issues to the attention of RDF WG
ACTION: Lee to bring Turtle/SPARQL incompatibility issues to the attention of RDF WG ←
14:35:52 <trackbot> Created ACTION-440 - Bring Turtle/SPARQL incompatibility issues to the attention of RDF WG [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-04-26].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-440 - Bring Turtle/SPARQL incompatibility issues to the attention of RDF WG [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-04-26]. ←
14:36:11 <Zakim> +pgearon
Zakim IRC Bot: +pgearon ←
14:36:49 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Unquoted decimal literals in SPARQL 1.1 must have at least one digit to the right of the decimal point
PROPOSED: Unquoted decimal literals in SPARQL 1.1 must have at least one digit to the right of the decimal point ←
14:37:05 <AndyS> +1
+1 ←
14:37:12 <sandro> +1
Sandro Hawke: +1 ←
14:37:13 <pgearon> +1
Paul Gearon: +1 ←
14:37:13 <NickH> +1
Nicholas Humfrey: +1 ←
14:37:21 <bglimm> +1
Birte Glimm: +1 ←
14:37:37 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Unquoted decimal literals in SPARQL 1.1 must have at least one digit to the right of the decimal point & add note about this change to LC draft
PROPOSED: Unquoted decimal literals in SPARQL 1.1 must have at least one digit to the right of the decimal point & add note about this change to LC draft ←
14:37:45 <bglimm> +1
Birte Glimm: +1 ←
14:37:58 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Unquoted decimal literals in SPARQL 1.1 must have at least one digit to the right of the decimal point & add note about this change to LC draft
RESOLVED: Unquoted decimal literals in SPARQL 1.1 must have at least one digit to the right of the decimal point & add note about this change to LC draft ←
14:38:44 <LeeF> topic: test status
14:40:41 <LeeF> ACTION: Lee to follow-up with Andy and Chime about running entailment test cases
ACTION: Lee to follow-up with Andy and Chime about running entailment test cases ←
14:40:42 <trackbot> Created ACTION-441 - Follow-up with Andy and Chime about running entailment test cases [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-04-26].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-441 - Follow-up with Andy and Chime about running entailment test cases [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-04-26]. ←
14:41:25 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/open
Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/open ←
14:41:32 <AndyS> LeeF: check on actions, issues and process
Lee Feigenbaum: check on actions, issues and process ←
14:41:55 <AndyS> ISSUE-19 - Update and protocol doc will cover.
ISSUE-19 - Update and protocol doc will cover. ←
14:41:55 <trackbot> ISSUE-19 Security issues on SPARQL/UPdate notes added
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-19 Security issues on SPARQL/UPdate notes added ←
14:42:18 <AndyS> ISSUE-33 -- moot - WSDL not used any more - need to check
ISSUE-33 -- moot - WSDL not used any more - need to check ←
14:42:37 <AndyS> ISSUE-60 - protocol doc
14:43:06 <AndyS> ISSUE-65 - query and update are different query string name.
ISSUE-65 - query and update are different query string name. ←
14:44:00 <AndyS> LeeF: Any comments?
Lee Feigenbaum: Any comments? ←
14:44:24 <AndyS> (LeeF explains his strategy for WG)
(LeeF explains his strategy for WG) ←
14:45:30 <AndyS> ISSUE-66 - CONCAT + ORDER BY
ISSUE-66 - CONCAT + ORDER BY ←
14:45:37 <Zakim> -bglimm
Zakim IRC Bot: -bglimm ←
14:47:02 <AndyS> AndyS: Adding it would not change one legal query to another
Andy Seaborne: Adding it would not change one legal query to another ←
14:47:19 <AndyS> LeeF: Next week will bring tio WG to close with "no change"
Lee Feigenbaum: Next week will bring tio WG to close with "no change" ←
14:47:23 <AndyS> actions ...
actions ... ←
14:47:24 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/open?sort=owner
Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/open?sort=owner ←
14:48:47 <AndyS> ACTION-404 is done.
ACTION-404 is done. ←
14:48:53 <LeeF> close ACTION-404
Lee Feigenbaum: close ACTION-404 ←
14:48:53 <trackbot> Sorry... closing ACTION-404 failed, please let sysreq know about it
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry... closing ACTION-404 failed, please let sysreq know about it ←
14:49:01 <LeeF> close ACTION-379
Lee Feigenbaum: close ACTION-379 ←
14:49:02 <trackbot> ACTION-379 Ask Chimezie to look at KK-6 and GR-3 closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-379 Ask Chimezie to look at KK-6 and GR-3 closed ←
14:53:05 <kasei> q+
Gregory Williams: q+ ←
14:54:06 <LeeF> ack kasei
Lee Feigenbaum: ack kasei ←
14:54:16 <LeeF> ACTION: Lee to figure out why styling of RFC2119 tags is different across documents
ACTION: Lee to figure out why styling of RFC2119 tags is different across documents ←
14:54:16 <trackbot> Created ACTION-442 - Figure out why styling of RFC2119 tags is different across documents [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-04-26].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-442 - Figure out why styling of RFC2119 tags is different across documents [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-04-26]. ←
14:55:51 <AndyS> adjourned
adjourned ←
14:56:00 <Zakim> -LeeF
Zakim IRC Bot: -LeeF ←
14:56:04 <MattPerry> bye
Matthew Perry: bye ←
14:56:04 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
14:56:06 <Zakim> -Bert
Zakim IRC Bot: -Bert ←
14:56:07 <Zakim> -kasei
Zakim IRC Bot: -kasei ←
14:56:08 <Zakim> -pgearon
Zakim IRC Bot: -pgearon ←
14:56:09 <Zakim> -Souri
Zakim IRC Bot: -Souri ←
14:56:11 <AndyS> rrsagent, please make logs public
rrsagent, please make logs public ←
14:56:11 <Zakim> -NickH
Zakim IRC Bot: -NickH ←
14:56:11 <NickH> Bye!
Nicholas Humfrey: Bye! ←
14:56:12 <Zakim> -MattPerry
Zakim IRC Bot: -MattPerry ←
14:56:15 <Zakim> -cbuilara
Zakim IRC Bot: -cbuilara ←
14:56:25 <Zakim> -AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS ←
14:56:26 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended ←
14:56:28 <Zakim> Attendees were bglimm, +1.310.729.aaaa, kasei, cbuilara, AndyS, +1.603.897.aabb, MattPerry, +1.617.489.aacc, LeeF, Sandro, Souri, OlivierCorby, Bert, NickH, pgearon
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were bglimm, +1.310.729.aaaa, kasei, cbuilara, AndyS, +1.603.897.aabb, MattPerry, +1.617.489.aacc, LeeF, Sandro, Souri, OlivierCorby, Bert, NickH, pgearon ←
14:56:48 <AndyS> zakim, please leave
zakim, please leave ←
15:03:22 <LeeF> kasei, re: adding tests for SPARQL 1.0-isms, I think that's totally fine
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Lee Feigenbaum: kasei, re: adding tests for SPARQL 1.0-isms, I think that's totally fine ←
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