13:55:54 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/10/05-sparql-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/10/05-sparql-irc ←
13:55:58 <LeeF> does the speaker phone work?
Lee Feigenbaum: does the speaker phone work? ←
13:56:02 <ericP> yup
Eric Prud'hommeaux: yup ←
13:56:05 <LeeF> cool
Lee Feigenbaum: cool ←
13:56:10 <LeeF> no one else here so hopefully i won't bother anyone :)
Lee Feigenbaum: no one else here so hopefully i won't bother anyone :) ←
13:56:12 <ericP> pretty well, i hear, from those who have to listen to it
Eric Prud'hommeaux: pretty well, i hear, from those who have to listen to it ←
13:56:51 <LeeF> trackbot, start meeting
Lee Feigenbaum: trackbot, start meeting ←
13:56:53 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs world ←
13:56:55 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 77277
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be 77277 ←
13:56:55 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes ←
13:56:56 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
13:56:56 <trackbot> Date: 05 October 2010
13:57:00 <LeeF> zakim, this will be SPARQL
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, this will be SPARQL ←
13:57:00 <Zakim> ok, LeeF, I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM already started
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, LeeF, I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM already started ←
13:57:10 <LeeF> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2010-10-05
13:57:13 <LeeF> Regrets: NickH
13:57:23 <LeeF> Chair: LeeF
13:57:29 <LeeF> Scribenick: AxelPolleres
(Scribe set to Axel Polleres)
13:57:34 <LeeF> zakim, please call ericp-office
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, please call ericp-office ←
13:57:34 <Zakim> ok, LeeF; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, LeeF; the call is being made ←
13:57:35 <Zakim> +Ericp
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ericp ←
13:57:41 <AndyS> zakim, hello
Andy Seaborne: zakim, hello ←
13:57:41 <Zakim> I don't understand 'hello', AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'hello', AndyS ←
13:57:50 <bglimm> wow, I got a line :-)
Birte Glimm: wow, I got a line :-) ←
13:57:52 <Zakim> + +44.186.528.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +44.186.528.aaaa ←
13:57:53 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
13:57:57 <Zakim> +??P9
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P9 ←
13:58:02 <bglimm> Zakim, +44.186.528.aaaa is me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, +44.186.528.aaaa is me ←
13:58:02 <Zakim> +bglimm; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bglimm; got it ←
13:58:07 <Zakim> +kasei
Zakim IRC Bot: +kasei ←
13:58:08 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me ←
13:58:08 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted ←
13:58:09 <AndyS> zakim, ??P9 is me
Andy Seaborne: zakim, ??P9 is me ←
13:58:10 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it ←
13:58:30 <sandro> zakim, who is talking
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is talking ←
13:58:30 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is talking', sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is talking', sandro ←
13:58:30 <LeeF> zakim, who's talking?
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, who's talking? ←
13:58:33 <sandro> zakim, who is talking?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is talking? ←
13:58:36 <AxelPolleres> is it gone?
is it gone? ←
13:58:41 <Zakim> LeeF, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P1 (0%), AndyS (22%)
Zakim IRC Bot: LeeF, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P1 (0%), AndyS (22%) ←
13:58:45 <Zakim> + +33.4.92.38.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +33.4.92.38.aabb ←
13:58:51 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P1 (4%), AndyS (64%)
Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P1 (4%), AndyS (64%) ←
13:58:56 <Zakim> + +44.208.439.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +44.208.439.aacc ←
13:58:56 <Zakim> -AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS ←
13:59:13 <SteveH__> Zakim, aacc is Garlik
Steve Harris: Zakim, aacc is Garlik ←
13:59:13 <Zakim> +Garlik; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Garlik; got it ←
13:59:15 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip ←
13:59:15 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made ←
13:59:16 <Zakim> +Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan ←
13:59:19 <OlivierCorby> Zakim, aabb is me
Olivier Corby: Zakim, aabb is me ←
13:59:19 <Zakim> +OlivierCorby; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +OlivierCorby; got it ←
13:59:25 <SteveH__> Zakim, Garlik is temporarily me
Steve Harris: Zakim, Garlik is temporarily me ←
13:59:25 <Zakim> +SteveH__; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveH__; got it ←
13:59:25 <LeeF> zakim, who's here?
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, who's here? ←
13:59:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P1, Ericp, bglimm (muted), Sandro, kasei, OlivierCorby, SteveH__, Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ??P1, Ericp, bglimm (muted), Sandro, kasei, OlivierCorby, SteveH__, Ivan ←
13:59:29 <Zakim> On IRC I see chimezie, SteveH__, Zakim, RRSAgent, bglimm, AxelPolleres, NicoM, OlivierCorby, AndyS, LeeF, SteveH_, ivan, karl, iv_an_ru, AlexPassant, pgearon, trackbot, ericP,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see chimezie, SteveH__, Zakim, RRSAgent, bglimm, AxelPolleres, NicoM, OlivierCorby, AndyS, LeeF, SteveH_, ivan, karl, iv_an_ru, AlexPassant, pgearon, trackbot, ericP, ←
13:59:32 <Zakim> ... kasei, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: ... kasei, sandro ←
13:59:32 <Zakim> +??P16
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P16 ←
13:59:52 <SteveH__> AndyS's line sounds bad to me too
Steve Harris: AndyS's line sounds bad to me too ←
14:00:00 <SteveH__> ah, I've got the bad line!
Steve Harris: ah, I've got the bad line! ←
14:00:12 <AndyS> zakim, ??P16 is me
Andy Seaborne: zakim, ??P16 is me ←
14:00:12 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it ←
14:00:21 <SteveH__> sounds better now
Steve Harris: sounds better now ←
14:00:25 <LeeF> zakim, ??P1 is AxelPolleres
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, ??P1 is AxelPolleres ←
14:00:25 <Zakim> +AxelPolleres; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AxelPolleres; got it ←
14:00:28 <SteveH__> a bit
Steve Harris: a bit ←
14:00:30 <LeeF> zakim, who's on the phone?
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, who's on the phone? ←
14:00:30 <Zakim> On the phone I see AxelPolleres, Ericp, bglimm (muted), Sandro, kasei, OlivierCorby, SteveH__, Ivan, AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see AxelPolleres, Ericp, bglimm (muted), Sandro, kasei, OlivierCorby, SteveH__, Ivan, AndyS ←
14:00:30 <chimezie> Zakim, what is the passcode?
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, what is the passcode? ←
14:00:34 <Zakim> the conference code is 77277 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), chimezie
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 77277 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), chimezie ←
14:00:39 <kasei> echo is back
Gregory Williams: echo is back ←
14:00:42 <LeeF> zakim, ericp temporarily has me
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, ericp temporarily has me ←
14:00:42 <Zakim> I don't understand 'ericp temporarily has me', LeeF
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'ericp temporarily has me', LeeF ←
14:00:44 <LeeF> zakim, ericp temporarily is LeeF
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, ericp temporarily is LeeF ←
14:00:44 <Zakim> I don't understand 'ericp temporarily is LeeF', LeeF
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'ericp temporarily is LeeF', LeeF ←
14:00:52 <AndyS> bglimm, but the cat can chase them around
Andy Seaborne: bglimm, but the cat can chase them around ←
14:00:52 <LeeF> zakim, ericp is LeeF
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, ericp is LeeF ←
14:00:52 <Zakim> +LeeF; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +LeeF; got it ←
14:00:53 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.603.897.aadd ←
14:01:07 <Zakim> +Chimezie_Ogbuji
Zakim IRC Bot: +Chimezie_Ogbuji ←
14:01:08 <MattPerry> zakim, aadd is me
Matthew Perry: zakim, aadd is me ←
14:01:08 <Zakim> +MattPerry; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +MattPerry; got it ←
14:01:24 <Zakim> +??P20
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P20 ←
14:01:30 <AlexPassant> Zakim, ??P20 is me
Alexandre Passant: Zakim, ??P20 is me ←
14:01:30 <Zakim> +AlexPassant; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AlexPassant; got it ←
14:01:44 <AxelPolleres> yup
yup ←
14:01:50 <LeeF> scribenick: AxelPolleres
14:01:54 <LeeF> topic: Admin
14:01:57 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-09-28
PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-09-28 ←
14:01:58 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, mute me ←
14:01:58 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted ←
14:01:59 <AxelPolleres> topic: admin
14:02:30 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-09-28
RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-09-28 ←
14:02:45 <LeeF> Next regular meeting: 2010-10-12 @ 15:00 UK / 10:00 EDT (scribe: SteveH )
Lee Feigenbaum: Next regular meeting: 2010-10-12 @ 15:00 UK / 10:00 EDT (scribe: SteveH ) ←
14:02:50 <ivan> regrets for next week
Ivan Herman: regrets for next week ←
14:02:52 <AlexPassant> Regrets for next week, I'm traveling
Alexandre Passant: Regrets for next week, I'm traveling ←
14:02:52 <AxelPolleres> next meeting usual time next week
next meeting usual time next week ←
14:02:56 <ivan> and the week after, actually
Ivan Herman: and the week after, actually ←
14:03:16 <ivan> oops, wait! I will be around next week, only the week after will not be
Ivan Herman: oops, wait! I will be around next week, only the week after will not be ←
14:03:17 <ivan> sorry
Ivan Herman: sorry ←
14:03:26 <AxelPolleres> subtopic: schedule/extension
14:03:28 <NicoM> Regrets for next two weeks. Will also be travelling
Nico Michaelis: Regrets for next two weeks. Will also be travelling ←
14:03:37 <SteveH__> echo is not good
Steve Harris: echo is not good ←
14:03:47 <SteveH__> but can understand if concentrate
Steve Harris: but can understand if concentrate ←
14:03:49 <LeeF> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010OctDec/0005.html
Lee Feigenbaum: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010OctDec/0005.html ←
14:04:38 <AxelPolleres> plan is to have LC Dec 1, CR Feb 1, PR Apr 15, Rec by June 1
plan is to have LC Dec 1, CR Feb 1, PR Apr 15, Rec by June 1 ←
14:05:22 <AxelPolleres> feedback from Andy and Steve... Dec 1 might be too tight, rather Dec 15
feedback from Andy and Steve... Dec 1 might be too tight, rather Dec 15 ←
14:05:23 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aaee
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.603.897.aaee ←
14:05:55 <AxelPolleres> ... andy had questions about length of LC period length.
... andy had questions about length of LC period length. ←
14:06:15 <Souri> zakim, aaee is me
Souripriya Das: zakim, aaee is me ←
14:06:15 <Zakim> +Souri; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Souri; got it ←
14:07:57 <AndyS> LC : Dec 15?
Andy Seaborne: LC : Dec 15? ←
14:08:08 <Zakim> + +1.562.978.aaff
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.562.978.aaff ←
14:08:10 <Zakim> -AxelPolleres
Zakim IRC Bot: -AxelPolleres ←
14:08:19 <LeeF> CR : mar 1
Lee Feigenbaum: CR : mar 1 ←
14:08:20 <AndyS> LeeF: don't count 2 weeks of holidays
Lee Feigenbaum: don't count 2 weeks of holidays [ Scribe Assist by Andy Seaborne ] ←
14:08:21 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, aaff is me
Zakim, aaff is me ←
14:08:21 <Zakim> +AxelPolleres; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AxelPolleres; got it ←
14:08:26 <AxelPolleres> can scribe again!
can scribe again! ←
14:08:27 <AndyS> ... CR at March 1
Andy Seaborne: ... CR at March 1 ←
14:08:34 <AndyS> ... 2.5 month CR
Andy Seaborne: ... 2.5 month CR ←
14:08:36 <LeeF> PR : May 15
Lee Feigenbaum: PR : May 15 ←
14:08:45 <LeeF> REC : Jul 1
Lee Feigenbaum: REC : Jul 1 ←
14:09:25 <kasei> q+ to ask how protocol/tests fit into this
Gregory Williams: q+ to ask how protocol/tests fit into this ←
14:09:32 <AxelPolleres> Andy: don't think we need LC period longer, but we need to handle all comments.
Andy Seaborne: don't think we need LC period longer, but we need to handle all comments. ←
14:09:47 <AxelPolleres> Ivan: Christmas vacation closes down half of the world.
Ivan Herman: Christmas vacation closes down half of the world. ←
14:10:33 <AxelPolleres> LeeF: andy, what you say is that if we receive comments for 6 weeks we need probably another 4 weeks for addressing them
Lee Feigenbaum: andy, what you say is that if we receive comments for 6 weeks we need probably another 4 weeks for addressing them ←
14:10:58 <AxelPolleres> ... that would help, yes.
... that would help, yes. ←
14:11:21 <AxelPolleres> Andy: LC Dec 15... how much time in advance do we need to review all docs?
Andy Seaborne: LC Dec 15... how much time in advance do we need to review all docs? ←
14:12:00 <AxelPolleres> LeeF: we need to be approving latest 1st week of Dec, reviews two weeks before that, maybe mid november docs need to be finished
Lee Feigenbaum: we need to be approving latest 1st week of Dec, reviews two weeks before that, maybe mid november docs need to be finished ←
14:12:25 <AxelPolleres> ... 1 1/2 months from now... severe changes after that will need to be handled carefully, documented well
... 1 1/2 months from now... severe changes after that will need to be handled carefully, documented well ←
14:12:36 <AndyS> LeeF: Docs need to be basically finished by Nov 15
Lee Feigenbaum: Docs need to be basically finished by Nov 15 [ Scribe Assist by Andy Seaborne ] ←
14:13:01 <AxelPolleres> ... challenge if we go any later is that we would slip another month with the schedule.
... challenge if we go any later is that we would slip another month with the schedule. ←
14:13:10 <LeeF> ack kasei
Lee Feigenbaum: ack kasei ←
14:13:10 <Zakim> kasei, you wanted to ask how protocol/tests fit into this
Zakim IRC Bot: kasei, you wanted to ask how protocol/tests fit into this ←
14:13:31 <Zakim> -OlivierCorby
Zakim IRC Bot: -OlivierCorby ←
14:13:33 <AxelPolleres> greg: how does this schedule affect protocol and test suite?
Gregory Williams: how does this schedule affect protocol and test suite? ←
14:13:48 <AxelPolleres> Lee: hope for a sprint on the protocol doc
Lee Feigenbaum: hope for a sprint on the protocol doc ←
14:14:00 <AxelPolleres> (Axel: same here for Test Suite)
(Axel: same here for Test Suite) ←
14:14:19 <Zakim> +OlivierCorby
Zakim IRC Bot: +OlivierCorby ←
14:14:23 <AxelPolleres> Lee: hesitant to ask someone else at this point, but we lost an editor.
Lee Feigenbaum: hesitant to ask someone else at this point, but we lost an editor. ←
14:14:42 <AxelPolleres> ... I am less concerned about test suite, enough if it comes together by CR
... I am less concerned about test suite, enough if it comes together by CR ←
14:14:51 <AxelPolleres> ... but of course better if earlier.
... but of course better if earlier. ←
14:15:08 <AxelPolleres> ... don't want to do a separate schedule for those two, though.
... don't want to do a separate schedule for those two, though. ←
14:15:36 <AxelPolleres> ... pushing out further would mean not finish until August.
... pushing out further would mean not finish until August. ←
14:16:00 <AxelPolleres> ... let's rather try Dec 15 the best we can.
... let's rather try Dec 15 the best we can. ←
14:16:26 <LeeF> topic: WD publication
14:16:31 <AxelPolleres> ... chairs & team will take care of charter extensions, respectively.
... chairs & team will take care of charter extensions, respectively. ←
14:16:40 <Zakim> -OlivierCorby
Zakim IRC Bot: -OlivierCorby ←
14:17:02 <AxelPolleres> let's start with Query (andy&steve)
let's start with Query (andy&steve) ←
14:17:06 <AxelPolleres> Andy: I am done.
Andy Seaborne: I am done. ←
14:17:49 <AxelPolleres> Steve: It's fine from my side.
Steve Harris: It's fine from my side. ←
14:17:58 <SteveH__> yes
Steve Harris: yes ←
14:17:58 <Zakim> +OlivierCorby
Zakim IRC Bot: +OlivierCorby ←
14:18:00 <sandro> yes, sound is better now
Sandro Hawke: yes, sound is better now ←
14:18:11 <AxelPolleres> LeeF: two �reviewers agreed to publish last week.
Lee Feigenbaum: two �reviewers agreed to publish last week. ←
14:18:27 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/ as working draft
PROPOSED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/ as working draft ←
14:18:36 <kasei> +1
Gregory Williams: +1 ←
14:18:36 <AxelPolleres> +1
+1 ←
14:18:37 <bglimm> +1
Birte Glimm: +1 ←
14:18:37 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
14:18:51 <OlivierCorby> +1
Olivier Corby: +1 ←
14:18:55 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/ as working draft
RESOLVED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/ as working draft ←
14:19:11 <AxelPolleres> subtopic: update
14:19:39 <AxelPolleres> LeeF: paul/alex did you have a chance to include Axel's/Andy's comments?
Lee Feigenbaum: paul/alex did you have a chance to include Axel's/Andy's comments? ←
14:19:50 <AxelPolleres> Alex: worked in almost all comments
Alexandre Passant: worked in almost all comments ←
14:20:21 <Zakim> -SteveH__
Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveH__ ←
14:20:26 <AxelPolleres> ... will be able to address formal model comments this week
... will be able to address formal model comments this week ←
14:20:39 <Zakim> +Garlik
Zakim IRC Bot: +Garlik ←
14:20:41 <AxelPolleres> Andy: I am fine with publishing "as is"
Andy Seaborne: I am fine with publishing "as is" ←
14:20:47 <SteveH__> Zakim, Garlik is temporarily me
Steve Harris: Zakim, Garlik is temporarily me ←
14:20:47 <Zakim> +SteveH__; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveH__; got it ←
14:21:37 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.1/ following Axel's OK on the 2nd half of his review
PROPOSED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.1/ following Axel's OK on the 2nd half of his review ←
14:21:43 <Zakim> +Philippe
Zakim IRC Bot: +Philippe ←
14:22:06 <bglimm> +1
Birte Glimm: +1 ←
14:22:20 <AndyS> +1
Andy Seaborne: +1 ←
14:22:22 <OlivierCorby> +1
Olivier Corby: +1 ←
14:22:24 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.1/ following Axel's OK on the 2nd half of his review
RESOLVED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.1/ following Axel's OK on the 2nd half of his review ←
14:22:31 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to complete update review in the next two days.
ACTION: Axel to complete update review in the next two days. ←
14:22:31 <trackbot> Created ACTION-321 - Complete update review in the next two days. [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-10-12].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-321 - Complete update review in the next two days. [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-10-12]. ←
14:22:35 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, unmute me ←
14:22:35 <Zakim> bglimm should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should no longer be muted ←
14:22:43 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, unmute me ←
14:22:43 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Chimezie_Ogbuji should no longer be muted ←
14:22:48 <AxelPolleres> subtopic: entailment
14:23:21 <AxelPolleres> birte: lee's review missing, apart from that fine. had some comments from Enrico (Bolzano), will add some resp. editor's notes.
Birte Glimm: lee's review missing, apart from that fine. had some comments from Enrico (Bolzano), will add some resp. editor's notes. ←
14:23:32 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/entailment/ as WD
PROPOSED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/entailment/ as WD ←
14:23:39 <AxelPolleres> Lee: let's publish as is for now and discuss further upon published WD
Lee Feigenbaum: let's publish as is for now and discuss further upon published WD ←
14:23:43 <AxelPolleres> +1
+1 ←
14:23:46 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me ←
14:23:46 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted ←
14:23:49 <bglimm> +1
Birte Glimm: +1 ←
14:23:49 <OlivierCorby> +1
Olivier Corby: +1 ←
14:23:52 <AndyS> +1
Andy Seaborne: +1 ←
14:23:53 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/entailment/ as WD
RESOLVED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/entailment/ as WD ←
14:24:11 <AxelPolleres> subtopic: rdf-http-update
14:24:27 <SteveH__> I'm happy to review http update if not
Steve Harris: I'm happy to review http update if not ←
14:25:01 <AxelPolleres> Chime: don't remember if we specifically if we had reviews
Chimezie Ogbuji: don't remember if we specifically if we had reviews ←
14:25:21 <AxelPolleres> Axel: just see that we didn't decide, because chime wasn't around.
Axel Polleres: just see that we didn't decide, because chime wasn't around. ←
14:25:34 <AxelPolleres> chime: open comments are those from Tim Berners-Lee
Chimezie Ogbuji: open comments are those from Tim Berners-Lee ←
14:26:18 <AxelPolleres> Lee: steve, can you do a review on rdf-http-update?
Lee Feigenbaum: steve, can you do a review on rdf-http-update? ←
14:26:31 <AxelPolleres> Steve: I can see how far I get tonight
Steve Harris: I can see how far I get tonight ←
14:26:49 <AndyS> q+
Andy Seaborne: q+ ←
14:26:49 <AxelPolleres> Lee: happy to publish contingent Steve's review
Lee Feigenbaum: happy to publish contingent Steve's review ←
14:27:24 <AxelPolleres> Andy: where are we on ?default ? should be noted in the doc.
Andy Seaborne: where are we on ?default ? should be noted in the doc. ←
14:27:41 <AxelPolleres> Chime: it's noted, but haven't worked it in yet.
Chimezie Ogbuji: it's noted, but haven't worked it in yet. ←
14:27:50 <LeeF> ISSUE: Handling of default graph in HTTP update protocol
ISSUE: Handling of default graph in HTTP update protocol ←
14:27:50 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-63 - Handling of default graph in HTTP update protocol ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/63/edit .
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ISSUE-63 - Handling of default graph in HTTP update protocol ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/63/edit . ←
14:27:58 <AxelPolleres> Lee: let's create a WG issue not to forget.
Lee Feigenbaum: let's create a WG issue not to forget. ←
14:28:24 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/ following Steve's OK or Steve's suggested changes and Chime's incorporation of them
PROPOSED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/ following Steve's OK or Steve's suggested changes and Chime's incorporation of them ←
14:29:00 <SteveH__> +1
Steve Harris: +1 ←
14:29:10 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/ following Steve's OK or Steve's suggested changes and Chime's incorporation of them
RESOLVED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/ following Steve's OK or Steve's suggested changes and Chime's incorporation of them ←
14:29:13 <bglimm> +1
Birte Glimm: +1 ←
14:29:15 <AxelPolleres> Leef: proposal means, if chime and steve can't agree, we'll just hold off publishing for now.
Lee Feigenbaum: proposal means, if chime and steve can't agree, we'll just hold off publishing for now. ←
14:29:17 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, mute me ←
14:29:17 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted ←
14:29:28 <AxelPolleres> subtopic: service description
14:29:46 <kasei> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/service-description-1.1/xmlspec.xml#sd-url
Gregory Williams: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/service-description-1.1/xmlspec.xml#sd-url ←
14:29:54 <AxelPolleres> greg: updated status of the doc, other outstanding issue was formatting of schema information.
Gregory Williams: updated status of the doc, other outstanding issue was formatting of schema information. ←
14:30:28 <AxelPolleres> ... if people are ok with that http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/service-description-1.1/xmlspec.xml#sd-url formatting, I will propagate that throughout the doc.
... if people are ok with that http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/service-description-1.1/xmlspec.xml#sd-url formatting, I will propagate that throughout the doc. ←
14:31:13 <AxelPolleres> ... I can commit that domain/range right after the call and then would be ready to go.
... I can commit that domain/range right after the call and then would be ready to go. ←
14:31:22 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/service-description-1.1/xmlspec.xml as WD after pending formatting changes for schema info
PROPOSED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/service-description-1.1/xmlspec.xml as WD after pending formatting changes for schema info ←
14:31:33 <AndyS> +1
Andy Seaborne: +1 ←
14:31:35 <bglimm> +1
Birte Glimm: +1 ←
14:31:35 <AxelPolleres> +1
+1 ←
14:31:41 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/service-description-1.1/xmlspec.xml as WD after pending formatting changes for schema info
RESOLVED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/service-description-1.1/xmlspec.xml as WD after pending formatting changes for schema info ←
14:32:40 <AxelPolleres> leave Overview and test suite docs out for now.
leave Overview and test suite docs out for now. ←
14:32:46 <Zakim> -OlivierCorby
Zakim IRC Bot: -OlivierCorby ←
14:32:52 <AxelPolleres> LeeF: leave Overview and test suite docs out for now.
Lee Feigenbaum: leave Overview and test suite docs out for now. ←
14:32:53 <LeeF> topic: LET/BIND/assignment
14:33:05 <LeeF> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010OctDec/0014.html
Lee Feigenbaum: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010OctDec/0014.html ←
14:33:10 <bglimm> What is the date, we should use for the documents?
Birte Glimm: What is the date, we should use for the documents? ←
14:33:27 <Zakim> +OlivierCorby
Zakim IRC Bot: +OlivierCorby ←
14:34:35 <bglimm> OK
Birte Glimm: OK ←
14:34:56 <AxelPolleres> LeeF: we will follow up with editors on publication details with editors
Lee Feigenbaum: we will follow up with editors on publication details with editors ←
14:35:03 <LeeF> straw poll: include LEt/BIND/whatever in SPARQL 1.1
Lee Feigenbaum: straw poll: include LEt/BIND/whatever in SPARQL 1.1 ←
14:35:07 <AxelPolleres> ... on the date, etc.
... on the date, etc. ←
14:35:25 <AxelPolleres> +1
+1 ←
14:35:29 <AndyS> +1 (include)
Andy Seaborne: +1 (include) ←
14:35:29 <bglimm> 0
Birte Glimm: 0 ←
14:35:33 <OlivierCorby> -1
Olivier Corby: -1 ←
14:35:33 <ivan> 0
Ivan Herman: 0 ←
14:35:35 <AlexPassant> +1
Alexandre Passant: +1 ←
14:35:35 <SteveH__> -1
Steve Harris: -1 ←
14:35:36 <MattPerry> 0
Matthew Perry: 0 ←
14:35:38 <chimezie> +1 (strong preferrence on *not* using LET as syntax)
Chimezie Ogbuji: +1 (strong preferrence on *not* using LET as syntax) ←
14:35:47 <LeeF> 0
Lee Feigenbaum: 0 ←
14:35:49 <AxelPolleres> q+ on syntax
q+ on syntax ←
14:35:49 <Souri> 0
Souripriya Das: 0 ←
14:35:54 <AndyS> ack me
Andy Seaborne: ack me ←
14:37:09 <AxelPolleres> Olivier: I think sparql is a graph match language, so Assignment is IMO not appropriate
Olivier Corby: I think sparql is a graph match language, so Assignment is IMO not appropriate ←
14:37:30 <AxelPolleres> Leef: we still have consensus in favor of inclusing it.
Lee Feigenbaum: we still have consensus in favor of inclusing it. ←
14:37:39 <AxelPolleres> s/inclusing/including/
s/inclusing/including/ ←
14:37:49 <LeeF> two semantics questions
Lee Feigenbaum: two semantics questions ←
14:38:01 <AxelPolleres> Leef: two issues on semantics
Lee Feigenbaum: two issues on semantics ←
14:38:11 <LeeF> 1) What happens if you try to assign/bind to a variable that is bound elsewhere in the query?
Lee Feigenbaum: 1) What happens if you try to assign/bind to a variable that is bound elsewhere in the query? ←
14:38:18 <AxelPolleres> ... 1) assign/bind a variable that is bound elsewhere in the query
... 1) assign/bind a variable that is bound elsewhere in the query ←
14:38:53 <AxelPolleres> ... simple semantics vs. join semantics.
... simple semantics vs. join semantics. ←
14:40:05 <AxelPolleres> ... simple disallows that, other semantics creates a one column solution set and joins it with the current binding
... simple disallows that, other semantics creates a one column solution set and joins it with the current binding ←
14:40:10 <SteveH__> q+
Steve Harris: q+ ←
14:40:58 <LeeF> ack AxelPolleres
Lee Feigenbaum: ack AxelPolleres ←
14:40:58 <Zakim> AxelPolleres, you wanted to comment on syntax
Zakim IRC Bot: AxelPolleres, you wanted to comment on syntax ←
14:41:31 <SteveH__> extend is simple I believe
Steve Harris: extend is simple I believe ←
14:41:32 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: is the EXTEND operator simple semantics or join/filter semantics?
Axel Polleres: is the EXTEND operator simple semantics or join/filter semantics? [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
14:42:01 <LeeF> AndyS: it is EXTEND, but we have a syntactic restriction on the AS variable
Andy Seaborne: it is EXTEND, but we have a syntactic restriction on the AS variable [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
14:42:04 <LeeF> ack SteveH__
Lee Feigenbaum: ack SteveH__ ←
14:42:41 <AxelPolleres> Axel: I am fine, under the syntactic restriction, if assign is just an extra syntactic sugar for Extend()
Axel Polleres: I am fine, under the syntactic restriction, if assign is just an extra syntactic sugar for Extend() ←
14:43:05 <AxelPolleres> Steve: (??? can you please type in your question?)
Steve Harris: (??? can you please type in your question?) ←
14:43:44 <AxelPolleres> LeeF: my idea for join semantics is a row-by-row join
Lee Feigenbaum: my idea for join semantics is a row-by-row join ←
14:43:59 <AxelPolleres> Steve: is there a definition which does the join over the full table?
Steve Harris: is there a definition which does the join over the full table? ←
14:44:16 <AxelPolleres> Andy: not sure whether that works, if it is a new variable
Andy Seaborne: not sure whether that works, if it is a new variable ←
14:44:28 <LeeF> q?
Lee Feigenbaum: q? ←
14:44:37 <AxelPolleres> Steve: that would be a separate piece of algebra.
Steve Harris: that would be a separate piece of algebra. ←
14:44:44 <SteveH__> very keen to avoid defining it in row-by-row terms
Steve Harris: very keen to avoid defining it in row-by-row terms ←
14:45:27 <AxelPolleres> q+
q+ ←
14:45:32 <LeeF> ack AxelPolleres
Lee Feigenbaum: ack AxelPolleres ←
14:45:36 <AndyS> Ack - Not row-by-row : better is "add col to table"
Andy Seaborne: Ack - Not row-by-row : better is "add col to table" ←
14:46:00 <Zakim> -AlexPassant
Zakim IRC Bot: -AlexPassant ←
14:46:59 <chimezie> I have a preference to only assign to new variables otherwise, it really exacerbates Olivier's concerns about taking a drastic step away from graph matching
Chimezie Ogbuji: I have a preference to only assign to new variables otherwise, it really exacerbates Olivier's concerns about taking a drastic step away from graph matching ←
14:47:21 <SteveH__> +1
Steve Harris: +1 ←
14:47:23 <Zakim> +??P2
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P2 ←
14:47:24 <AlexPassant> Zakim, ??P2 is me
Alexandre Passant: Zakim, ??P2 is me ←
14:47:24 <Zakim> +AlexPassant; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AlexPassant; got it ←
14:47:27 <AxelPolleres> Andy: if we want to make it order independent, then we need the filter effect.
Andy Seaborne: if we want to make it order independent, then we need the filter effect. ←
14:48:01 <AxelPolleres> ... let me try to write an example.
... let me try to write an example. ←
14:48:27 <AndyS> WHERE { ?x :p ?v . KW(?two := 2*?v) . ?x :p ?two }
Andy Seaborne: WHERE { ?x :p ?v . KW(?two := 2*?v) . ?x :p ?two } ←
14:48:50 <AndyS> (sorry about any emoticons)
Andy Seaborne: (sorry about any emoticons) ←
14:48:51 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, unmute me ←
14:48:51 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Chimezie_Ogbuji should no longer be muted ←
14:49:13 <AxelPolleres> Leef: we use this feature for UNIONs
Lee Feigenbaum: we use this feature for UNIONs ←
14:49:14 <AndyS> WHERE { ?x ns:q ?v . KW(?two := 2*?v) . ?x ns:q: ?two }
Andy Seaborne: WHERE { ?x ns:q ?v . KW(?two := 2*?v) . ?x ns:q: ?two } ←
14:49:30 <AndyS> WHERE { ?x ns:q ?v . ?x ns:q: ?two . KW(?two := 2*?v) . }
Andy Seaborne: WHERE { ?x ns:q ?v . ?x ns:q: ?two . KW(?two := 2*?v) . } ←
14:49:45 <SteveH__> that would be illegal under simple semantics, right?
Steve Harris: that would be illegal under simple semantics, right? ←
14:49:47 <SteveH__> both
Steve Harris: both ←
14:49:57 <AxelPolleres> Andy: your example seems to be doable by normal FILTER as well?
Andy Seaborne: your example seems to be doable by normal FILTER as well? ←
14:50:22 <AxelPolleres> s/Andy:/Andy,/
s/Andy:/Andy,/ ←
14:51:08 <LeeF> q?
Lee Feigenbaum: q? ←
14:51:31 <AndyS> WHERE { ?x ns:q: ?two . KW(?two := 2) . }
Andy Seaborne: WHERE { ?x ns:q: ?two . KW(?two := 2) . } ←
14:51:42 <AndyS> WHERE { ?x ns:q: 2 }
Andy Seaborne: WHERE { ?x ns:q: 2 } ←
14:52:13 <LeeF> WHERE { ?x ns:q: ?two . FILTER(?two = 2)
Lee Feigenbaum: WHERE { ?x ns:q: ?two . FILTER(?two = 2) ←
14:52:32 <kasei> surely that would have to be sameTerm?
Gregory Williams: surely that would have to be sameTerm? ←
14:52:36 <LeeF> (yes)
Lee Feigenbaum: (yes) ←
14:53:11 <LeeF> straw poll: semantics? filter/join, simple, or 0
Lee Feigenbaum: straw poll: semantics? filter/join, simple, or 0 ←
14:53:18 <chimezie> simple
Chimezie Ogbuji: simple ←
14:53:23 <SteveH__> strong pref for simple
Steve Harris: strong pref for simple ←
14:53:28 <bglimm> 0
Birte Glimm: 0 ←
14:53:30 <MattPerry> simple
Matthew Perry: simple ←
14:53:31 <AndyS> filter > simple > 0
Andy Seaborne: filter > simple > 0 ←
14:53:33 <AxelPolleres> simple
simple ←
14:53:47 <kasei> filter (mildly)
Gregory Williams: filter (mildly) ←
14:53:51 <LeeF> filter
Lee Feigenbaum: filter ←
14:53:56 <AlexPassant> 0 / simple
Alexandre Passant: 0 / simple ←
14:54:42 <AxelPolleres> LeeF: see a preference for the simple semantics, will require editors to look into what that means.
Lee Feigenbaum: see a preference for the simple semantics, will require editors to look into what that means. ←
14:55:19 <LeeF> LET ( ?var := expr )
Lee Feigenbaum: LET ( ?var := expr ) ←
14:55:24 <LeeF> BIND ( ?var := expr )
Lee Feigenbaum: BIND ( ?var := expr ) ←
14:55:34 <AxelPolleres> LeeF: syntax...
Lee Feigenbaum: syntax... ←
14:55:35 <LeeF> BIND ( expr AS ?var )
Lee Feigenbaum: BIND ( expr AS ?var ) ←
14:56:09 <ericP> PLEASE LET ?var BIND TO expr
Eric Prud'hommeaux: PLEASE LET ?var BIND TO expr ←
14:56:31 <ericP> !@#$! NO!
Eric Prud'hommeaux: !@#$! NO! ←
14:56:32 <AndyS> The syntax restriction is not enforced by the algebra in (extend)
Andy Seaborne: The syntax restriction is not enforced by the algebra in (extend) ←
14:56:43 <Souri> Por Favor | Please
Souripriya Das: Por Favor | Please ←
14:57:43 <Zakim> -bglimm
Zakim IRC Bot: -bglimm ←
14:57:55 <SteveH__> it should behave like FILTER if it looks like FILTER, w.r.t. ordering
Steve Harris: it should behave like FILTER if it looks like FILTER, w.r.t. ordering ←
14:58:19 <AxelPolleres> LeeF: semantics/order... do we want BIND to "execute" like a FILTER in the end of the group ort "in place"?
Lee Feigenbaum: semantics/order... do we want BIND to "execute" like a FILTER in the end of the group ort "in place"? ←
14:58:27 <Zakim> +bglimm
Zakim IRC Bot: +bglimm ←
14:58:37 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me ←
14:58:37 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted ←
14:58:45 <AxelPolleres> Andy: in ARQ it is order-independent
Andy Seaborne: in ARQ it is order-independent ←
14:58:52 <LeeF> WHERE { ?x ns:q ?v . KW(?two := 2*?v) . ?x ns:q: ?two }
Lee Feigenbaum: WHERE { ?x ns:q ?v . KW(?two := 2*?v) . ?x ns:q: ?two } ←
14:58:59 <LeeF> in place semantics: the above is allowed
Lee Feigenbaum: in place semantics: the above is allowed ←
14:59:07 <LeeF> end of group semantics: the above is an error
Lee Feigenbaum: end of group semantics: the above is an error ←
14:59:20 <SteveH__> it might be an error either way
Steve Harris: it might be an error either way ←
14:59:24 <SteveH__> ?two is still in scope
Steve Harris: ?two is still in scope ←
15:00:11 <AxelPolleres> LeeF: we're out of time, let's fix this up first thing next week.
Lee Feigenbaum: we're out of time, let's fix this up first thing next week. ←
15:00:31 <AxelPolleres> ... further suggestions on algebra for this appreciated on the mailing list!
... further suggestions on algebra for this appreciated on the mailing list! ←
15:00:41 <AxelPolleres> ... thanks all, adjourned.
... thanks all, adjourned. ←
15:00:44 <bglimm> bye
Birte Glimm: bye ←
15:00:45 <SteveH__> bye
Steve Harris: bye ←
15:00:46 <Zakim> -Souri
Zakim IRC Bot: -Souri ←
15:00:46 <Zakim> -Chimezie_Ogbuji
Zakim IRC Bot: -Chimezie_Ogbuji ←
15:00:47 <Zakim> -LeeF
Zakim IRC Bot: -LeeF ←
15:00:48 <Zakim> -AlexPassant
Zakim IRC Bot: -AlexPassant ←
15:00:49 <Zakim> -bglimm
Zakim IRC Bot: -bglimm ←
15:00:49 <Zakim> -MattPerry
Zakim IRC Bot: -MattPerry ←
15:00:50 <MattPerry> bye
Matthew Perry: bye ←
15:00:51 <Zakim> -SteveH__
Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveH__ ←
15:00:53 <Zakim> -OlivierCorby
Zakim IRC Bot: -OlivierCorby ←
15:00:54 <ivan> zakim, drop me
Ivan Herman: zakim, drop me ←
15:00:56 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
15:00:56 <AxelPolleres> rrsagent, make records public
rrsagent, make records public ←
15:00:57 <Zakim> -AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS ←
15:00:59 <Zakim> Ivan is being disconnected
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan is being disconnected ←
15:01:01 <Zakim> -Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan ←
15:01:05 <Zakim> -kasei
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