SPARQL Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 28 September 2010

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2010-09-28
Seen
Alexandre Passant, Andy Seaborne, Axel Polleres, Birte Glimm, Chimezie Ogbuji, Eric Prud'hommeaux, Gregory Williams, Lee Feigenbaum, Matthew Perry, Nicholas Humfrey, Olivier Corby, Paul Gearon, Sandro Hawke, Souripriya Das, Steve Harris
Regrets
Axel Polleres, Chimezie Ogbuji, Alexandre Passant
Scribe
Matthew Perry
IRC Log
Original and Editable Wiki Version
Resolutions
  1. Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-09-14 link
  2. Include an isNumeric function in SPARQL 1.1 link
Topics
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13:58:59 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes

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13:59:00 <LeeF> zakim, this will be SPARQL

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13:59:00 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
13:59:01 <trackbot> Date: 28 September 2010
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13:59:07 <Zakim> +MattPerry

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13:59:40 <Zakim> +LeeF

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13:59:40 <Zakim> + +1.310.729.aaaa

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13:59:40 <bglimm> All circuits are busy now for me too :-(

Birte Glimm: All circuits are busy now for me too :-(

13:59:49 <SteveH_> yup :(

Steve Harris: yup :(

13:59:53 <kasei> Zakim, aaaa is me

Gregory Williams: Zakim, aaaa is me

13:59:53 <Zakim> +kasei; got it

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14:00:16 <LeeF> I haven't seen any W3C notices, which doesn't really mean much.

Lee Feigenbaum: I haven't seen any W3C notices, which doesn't really mean much.

14:00:26 <Zakim> +pgearon

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14:00:34 <Zakim> +??P26

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14:00:35 <LeeF> Regrets: Axel, Chime, Alex
14:00:41 <AndyS> zakim, ??P26 is me

Andy Seaborne: zakim, ??P26 is me

14:00:41 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it

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14:01:03 <Zakim> +Sandro

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14:01:13 <LeeF> Scribenick: MattPerry

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14:01:21 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

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14:01:28 <SteveH_> Zakim, [IPcaller] is me

Steve Harris: Zakim, [IPcaller] is me

14:01:28 <Zakim> +SteveH_; got it

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14:01:30 <Zakim> +bglimm

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14:01:45 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me

14:01:53 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted

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14:01:56 <Zakim> +??P30

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14:02:18 <Zakim> +Souri

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14:02:33 <NickH> Zakim, ??P30 is me

Nicholas Humfrey: Zakim, ??P30 is me

14:02:33 <Zakim> +NickH; got it

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14:04:05 <Zakim> +Garlik

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14:04:10 <Zakim> -SteveH_

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14:04:14 <MattPerry> LeeF: want to go through documents to see status for next round of publication

Lee Feigenbaum: want to go through documents to see status for next round of publication

14:04:18 <SteveH> Zakim, Garlik is temporarily me

Steve Harris: Zakim, Garlik is temporarily me

14:04:18 <Zakim> +SteveH; got it

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14:04:29 <OlivierCorby> Not able to join by tel, system refuses ...

Olivier Corby: Not able to join by tel, system refuses ...

14:04:46 <MattPerry> LeeF: not in a position to go over Let/Bind this week but maybe next week

Lee Feigenbaum: not in a position to go over Let/Bind this week but maybe next week

14:04:47 <LeeF> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2010-09-28
14:04:55 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-09-14

PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-09-14

14:05:12 <Zakim> +OlivierCorby

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14:05:19 <OlivierCorby> Hi

Olivier Corby: Hi

14:05:37 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-09-14

RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-09-14

14:05:57 <MattPerry> topic: query document reviews

1. query document reviews

14:06:37 <MattPerry> LeeF: issues: BINDING keyword and isNumeric function and errors in aggregates

Lee Feigenbaum: issues: BINDING keyword and isNumeric function and errors in aggregates

14:06:48 <LeeF> subtopic: semantics of BINDINGS

1.1. semantics of BINDINGS

14:06:58 <LeeF> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010JulSep/0370.html

Lee Feigenbaum: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010JulSep/0370.html

14:07:35 <LeeF> """

Lee Feigenbaum: """

14:07:36 <LeeF>    for each row:

Lee Feigenbaum: for each row:

14:07:36 <LeeF>      substitute all occurrences of named variables in the query

Lee Feigenbaum: substitute all occurrences of named variables in the query

14:07:36 <LeeF>      execute modified query

Lee Feigenbaum: execute modified query

14:07:37 <LeeF> """

Lee Feigenbaum: """

14:08:42 <LeeF> """

Lee Feigenbaum: """

14:08:43 <LeeF> SELECT *

Lee Feigenbaum: SELECT *

14:08:43 <LeeF> { ?s ?p ?o . FILTER ( ?o < ?v ) }

Lee Feigenbaum: { ?s ?p ?o . FILTER ( ?o < ?v ) }

14:08:43 <LeeF> BINDINGS ?v { (1) (2) }

Lee Feigenbaum: BINDINGS ?v { (1) (2) }

14:08:44 <LeeF> """

Lee Feigenbaum: """

14:09:26 <LeeF> this bindings list has two rows, each with one value

Lee Feigenbaum: this bindings list has two rows, each with one value

14:09:29 <MattPerry> AndyS: for each binding set, substitute into query and then execute query

Andy Seaborne: for each binding set, substitute into query and then execute query

14:10:09 <MattPerry> AndyS: in federated doc, turn binding into table and then join with query

Andy Seaborne: in federated doc, turn binding into table and then join with query

14:10:33 <SteveH> q+

Steve Harris: q+

14:10:36 <kasei> is this a better example for this discussion (whether the results have any variables bound)?: select * where {} bindings ?s { (1) (2) }

Gregory Williams: is this a better example for this discussion (whether the results have any variables bound)?: select * where {} bindings ?s { (1) (2) }

14:10:47 <LeeF> ack SteveH

Lee Feigenbaum: ack SteveH

14:11:18 <MattPerry> SteveH: our implementation works more like the join description

Steve Harris: our implementation works more like the join description

14:12:09 <LeeF> Not so sure if that's a good example, Greg - wouldn't that turn the same way either way?

Lee Feigenbaum: Not so sure if that's a good example, Greg - wouldn't that turn the same way either way?

14:12:13 <MattPerry> SteveH: for Greg's example we would get ?s bound to 1 and 2

Steve Harris: for Greg's example we would get ?s bound to 1 and 2

14:12:23 <AndyS> kasei, independent design point - can make ?v visible of * or not for either design

Andy Seaborne: kasei, independent design point - can make ?v visible of * or not for either design

14:13:01 <OlivierCorby> What about variables in minus ?

Olivier Corby: What about variables in minus ?

14:13:30 <kasei> I share SteveH's concern about optimization.

Gregory Williams: I share SteveH's concern about optimization.

14:14:31 <ericP> Zakim, please dial ericP-office

Eric Prud'hommeaux: Zakim, please dial ericP-office

14:14:31 <Zakim> ok, ericP; the call is being made

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14:14:32 <Zakim> +EricP

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14:15:06 <MattPerry> AndyS: this definition is an improvement in federated query

Andy Seaborne: this definition is an improvement in federated query

14:15:09 <OlivierCorby> q+

Olivier Corby: q+

14:15:21 <LeeF> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010JulSep/0370.html

Lee Feigenbaum: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010JulSep/0370.html

14:16:44 <LeeF> ack OlivierCorby

Lee Feigenbaum: ack OlivierCorby

14:16:52 <MattPerry> LeeF: issue is that some variables, e.g. those in filter, can't get  their values from a join

Lee Feigenbaum: issue is that some variables, e.g. those in filter, can't get their values from a join

14:17:31 <AndyS> q+

Andy Seaborne: q+

14:17:35 <MattPerry> Olivier: what about MINUS, can it be a substitution?

Olivier Corby: what about MINUS, can it be a substitution?

14:17:40 <LeeF> ack AndyS

Lee Feigenbaum: ack AndyS

14:17:45 <ericP> q+

Eric Prud'hommeaux: q+

14:17:57 <MattPerry> AndyS: I would think that substitution would work for MINUS

Andy Seaborne: I would think that substitution would work for MINUS

14:18:12 <SteveH> I don't like the approach of conflating parameterised queries and pre-binding, they're different

Steve Harris: I don't like the approach of conflating parameterised queries and pre-binding, they're different

14:18:27 <LeeF> ack ericP

Lee Feigenbaum: ack ericP

14:19:19 <MattPerry> ericP: biggest issue is the FILTER issue

Eric Prud'hommeaux: biggest issue is the FILTER issue

14:21:17 <SteveH> q+ to ask why bindings goes at the "end"

Steve Harris: q+ to ask why bindings goes at the "end"

14:21:57 <MattPerry> ... I would go with the same semantics we used with OPTIONAL, the FILTER works on the previous set of variables

... I would go with the same semantics we used with OPTIONAL, the FILTER works on the previous set of variables

14:22:07 <LeeF> ack SteveH

Lee Feigenbaum: ack SteveH

14:22:07 <Zakim> SteveH, you wanted to ask why bindings goes at the "end"

Zakim IRC Bot: SteveH, you wanted to ask why bindings goes at the "end"

14:23:23 <AndyS> q+

Andy Seaborne: q+

14:23:28 <MattPerry> ericP: BINDINGS go at the end because you may want to stream the result, and this is only possible if the query is done before you get the bindings

Eric Prud'hommeaux: BINDINGS go at the end because you may want to stream the result, and this is only possible if the query is done before you get the bindings

14:24:52 <LeeF> ack AndyS

Lee Feigenbaum: ack AndyS

14:25:35 <MattPerry> AndyS: if you see the query first, you can do a "prepare" on the query

Andy Seaborne: if you see the query first, you can do a "prepare" on the query

14:26:41 <MattPerry> ericP: optional has a left pattern, right pattern and filter ... the filter works on the left and right pattern

Eric Prud'hommeaux: optional has a left pattern, right pattern and filter ... the filter works on the left and right pattern

14:27:03 <kasei> I don't think people would ever figure that out.

Gregory Williams: I don't think people would ever figure that out.

14:27:05 <MattPerry> ... filters now have a left and right where right comes from the BINDINGS

... filters now have a left and right where right comes from the BINDINGS

14:28:29 <MattPerry> ericP: I think that if people are given a mandate for substitution, they will still figure out a way to do it with joins but this may be difficult for people

Eric Prud'hommeaux: I think that if people are given a mandate for substitution, they will still figure out a way to do it with joins but this may be difficult for people

14:28:44 <SteveH> +1 to ericP

Steve Harris: +1 to ericP

14:29:22 <MattPerry> AndyS: substitution is not a new operation in the algebra, but a new join is a new operation

Andy Seaborne: substitution is not a new operation in the algebra, but a new join is a new operation

14:29:31 <SteveH> that's the problem

Steve Harris: that's the problem

14:30:09 <MattPerry> SteveH: the problem is implementing a substitution operation

Steve Harris: the problem is implementing a substitution operation

14:31:18 <MattPerry> AndyS: I think the FILTER case is the important one

Andy Seaborne: I think the FILTER case is the important one

14:31:45 <MattPerry> LeeF: is the working group motivated to make the FILTER case work

Lee Feigenbaum: is the working group motivated to make the FILTER case work

14:31:48 <AndyS> q+

Andy Seaborne: q+

14:32:27 <kasei> q+

Gregory Williams: q+

14:32:29 <LeeF> ack AndyS

Lee Feigenbaum: ack AndyS

14:32:30 <ericP> i'm happy to leave it out for now

Eric Prud'hommeaux: i'm happy to leave it out for now

14:32:35 <ericP> but i'm not the alpha team contact

Eric Prud'hommeaux: but i'm not the alpha team contact

14:33:10 <MattPerry> SteveH: BINDINGS keyword does not imply substitution to me

Steve Harris: BINDINGS keyword does not imply substitution to me

14:33:15 <LeeF> ack, kasei

Lee Feigenbaum: ack, kasei

14:33:31 <LeeF> ack kasei

Lee Feigenbaum: ack kasei

14:34:11 <MattPerry> kasei: I agree with SteveH on most of the issues ... BINDINGS imply a join to me

Gregory Williams: I agree with SteveH on most of the issues ... BINDINGS imply a join to me

14:34:50 <SteveH> well put kasei

Steve Harris: well put kasei

14:34:57 <MattPerry> ... BINDINGS should give same execution but just a subset of the results ... substitution could give different results

... BINDINGS should give same execution but just a subset of the results ... substitution could give different results

14:35:06 <pgearon> +1 to kasei's POV

Paul Gearon: +1 to kasei's POV

14:36:11 <LeeF> straw poll: should the values in rows in the BINDINGS clause be available within FILTERs etc. within the query a la AndyS's proposal?

Lee Feigenbaum: straw poll: should the values in rows in the BINDINGS clause be available within FILTERs etc. within the query a la AndyS's proposal?

14:36:35 <SteveH> that statement is not correct

Steve Harris: that statement is not correct

14:37:34 <MattPerry> SteveH: this is about what happens when you have a variable in Filter but not in the graph pattern

Steve Harris: this is about what happens when you have a variable in Filter but not in the graph pattern

14:38:05 <LeeF> straw poll: should the BINDINGS clause have Join or Substitution semantics?

Lee Feigenbaum: straw poll: should the BINDINGS clause have Join or Substitution semantics?

14:38:21 <kasei> Join

Gregory Williams: Join

14:38:23 <SteveH> Join

Steve Harris: Join

14:38:28 <pgearon> join

Paul Gearon: join

14:38:28 <ericP> join

Eric Prud'hommeaux: join

14:38:29 <NickH> Join

Nicholas Humfrey: Join

14:38:31 <MattPerry> join

join

14:38:40 <bglimm> 0 (not enough understanding of the issues)

Birte Glimm: 0 (not enough understanding of the issues)

14:38:46 <Souri> +1 to Andy's substitution proposal (if I understand it correctly, substitution of the values from each binding row and then querying would return some results)

Souripriya Das: +1 to Andy's substitution proposal (if I understand it correctly, substitution of the values from each binding row and then querying would return some results)

14:38:47 <OlivierCorby> 0 too

Olivier Corby: 0 too

14:39:08 <LeeF> 0

Lee Feigenbaum: 0

14:39:12 <ericP> 7

Eric Prud'hommeaux: 7

14:39:13 <AndyS> filter visibility

Andy Seaborne: filter visibility

14:39:14 <sandro> 0

Sandro Hawke: 0

14:40:00 <SteveH> q+ to ask about templating

Steve Harris: q+ to ask about templating

14:40:07 <LeeF> ack SteveH

Lee Feigenbaum: ack SteveH

14:40:07 <Zakim> SteveH, you wanted to ask about templating

Zakim IRC Bot: SteveH, you wanted to ask about templating

14:40:27 <LeeF> The group has general consensus to keep the semantics of BINDINGS as is for now.

Lee Feigenbaum: The group has general consensus to keep the semantics of BINDINGS as is for now.

14:40:27 <MattPerry> SteveH: is templating on our to-do list?

Steve Harris: is templating on our to-do list?

14:40:45 <MattPerry> LeeF: templating missed the cut for 1.1

Lee Feigenbaum: templating missed the cut for 1.1

14:41:11 <MattPerry> subtopic: isNumeric

1.2. isNumeric

14:41:16 <LeeF> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010JulSep/0410.html

Lee Feigenbaum: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010JulSep/0410.html

14:41:17 <SteveH> +1 to isNumeric()

Steve Harris: +1 to isNumeric()

14:42:13 <LeeF> SUM(?x)

Lee Feigenbaum: SUM(?x)

14:42:13 <MattPerry> SteveH: isNumeric is very useful for numeric operations due to the weak typing

Steve Harris: isNumeric is very useful for numeric operations due to the weak typing

14:42:47 <MattPerry> SteveH: right now, we go to xpath numeric-add operation

Steve Harris: right now, we go to xpath numeric-add operation

14:43:02 <LeeF> SUM(IF(isNumeric(?x), ?x, 0))

Lee Feigenbaum: SUM(IF(isNumeric(?x), ?x, 0))

14:43:02 <MattPerry> ... a date, for example, will give a type error

... a date, for example, will give a type error

14:43:18 <AndyS> sum("a") is legal :-)

Andy Seaborne: sum("a") is legal :-)

14:43:28 <SteveH> AndyS, yeah, semi-deliberate :)

Steve Harris: AndyS, yeah, semi-deliberate :)

14:43:31 <LeeF> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010JulSep/0460.html

Lee Feigenbaum: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010JulSep/0460.html

14:44:14 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Include an isNumeric function in SPARQL 1.1

PROPOSED: Include an isNumeric function in SPARQL 1.1

14:44:27 <AndyS> seconded

Andy Seaborne: seconded

14:44:45 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Include an isNumeric function in SPARQL 1.1

RESOLVED: Include an isNumeric function in SPARQL 1.1

14:45:13 <AndyS> SteveH, I implemented the more obvious way

Andy Seaborne: SteveH, I implemented the more obvious way

14:45:29 <SteveH> AndyS, which is that? :)

Steve Harris: AndyS, which is that? :)

14:45:31 <MattPerry> topic: go through document reviews

2. go through document reviews

14:45:40 <AndyS> sum("a") -> error

Andy Seaborne: sum("a") -> error

14:45:48 <MattPerry> subtopic: query

2.1. query

14:45:54 <SteveH> ah, right, that's what I'm going to write in when I have time

Steve Harris: ah, right, that's what I'm going to write in when I have time

14:46:06 <AndyS> like sum("a"+0) or sum("a", 0) -> error

Andy Seaborne: like sum("a"+0) or sum("a", 0) -> error

14:46:12 <SteveH> right

Steve Harris: right

14:46:20 <ericP> q+ to ask if federation is rolled in

Eric Prud'hommeaux: q+ to ask if federation is rolled in

14:46:48 <LeeF> ack, ericP

Lee Feigenbaum: ack, ericP

14:46:51 <LeeF> ack ericP

Lee Feigenbaum: ack ericP

14:46:51 <Zakim> ericP, you wanted to ask if federation is rolled in

Zakim IRC Bot: ericP, you wanted to ask if federation is rolled in

14:47:13 <MattPerry> ericP: who is editor of federation?

Eric Prud'hommeaux: who is editor of federation?

14:48:45 <MattPerry> ericP: I can take a look at the comments for federation

Eric Prud'hommeaux: I can take a look at the comments for federation

14:49:21 <MattPerry> I fine with it

I fine with it

14:49:24 <kasei> me too

Gregory Williams: me too

14:49:28 <MattPerry> s/I/I'm

s/I/I'm

14:49:33 <SteveH> actually, I'd like to make a couple of edits, based on reviews

Steve Harris: actually, I'd like to make a couple of edits, based on reviews

14:49:38 <SteveH> if that wont gum up the process

Steve Harris: if that wont gum up the process

14:49:41 <SteveH> otherwise its fine

Steve Harris: otherwise its fine

14:50:45 <MattPerry> SteveH: some non-algebraic changes I would like to make

Steve Harris: some non-algebraic changes I would like to make

14:51:23 <MattPerry> LeeF: should be fine if you do it by Friday

Lee Feigenbaum: should be fine if you do it by Friday

14:51:47 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/rq25.xml + Steve's wording changes in response to Greg's comments as Working Draft

PROPOSED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/rq25.xml + Steve's wording changes in response to Greg's comments as Working Draft

14:52:37 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/rq25.xml + editorial changes in response to Greg's comments as Working Draft

PROPOSED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/rq25.xml + editorial changes in response to Greg's comments as Working Draft

14:52:45 <AndyS> 0.5

Andy Seaborne: 0.5

14:52:50 <SteveH> 1

Steve Harris: 1

14:53:43 <MattPerry> AndyS: would like to process all the comments first

Andy Seaborne: would like to process all the comments first

14:54:30 <SteveH> I'm also not swapped in on that

Steve Harris: I'm also not swapped in on that

14:54:32 <LeeF> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010JulSep/0454.html

Lee Feigenbaum: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010JulSep/0454.html

14:55:12 <MattPerry> LeeF: lets hold off on publishing for now and try to go through all docs next week

Lee Feigenbaum: lets hold off on publishing for now and try to go through all docs next week

14:55:44 <AndyS> q+ to ask about isNumeric (get in if possible?)

Andy Seaborne: q+ to ask about isNumeric (get in if possible?)

14:56:18 <SteveH> and fix sum("a") on same basis

Steve Harris: and fix sum("a") on same basis

14:56:18 <LeeF> ack AndyS

Lee Feigenbaum: ack AndyS

14:56:18 <Zakim> AndyS, you wanted to ask about isNumeric (get in if possible?)

Zakim IRC Bot: AndyS, you wanted to ask about isNumeric (get in if possible?)

14:56:20 <MattPerry> AndyS: I can try to put in isNumeric

Andy Seaborne: I can try to put in isNumeric

14:57:14 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, unmute me

14:57:14 <Zakim> bglimm should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should no longer be muted

14:57:48 <MattPerry> kasei: will summarize what changes went into service description

Gregory Williams: will summarize what changes went into service description

14:58:08 <MattPerry> bglimm: service description is ready from my point of view

Birte Glimm: service description is ready from my point of view

14:58:20 <MattPerry> ... entailment is awaiting LeeF's review

... entailment is awaiting LeeF's review

14:58:45 <MattPerry> Olivier: entilment is ok with me

Olivier Corby: entilment is ok with me

14:58:54 <MattPerry> s/entilment/entailment

s/entilment/entailment

14:59:02 <SteveH> bye all

Steve Harris: bye all

14:59:03 <MattPerry> bye

bye

14:59:06 <Zakim> -LeeF

Zakim IRC Bot: -LeeF

14:59:08 <Zakim> -pgearon

Zakim IRC Bot: -pgearon

14:59:08 <NickH> bye!

Nicholas Humfrey: bye!

14:59:10 <Zakim> -SteveH

Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveH

14:59:11 <LeeF> Matt, thanks very much for scribingg

Lee Feigenbaum: Matt, thanks very much for scribingg

14:59:12 <Zakim> -Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro

14:59:14 <Zakim> -bglimm

Zakim IRC Bot: -bglimm

14:59:16 <Zakim> -kasei

Zakim IRC Bot: -kasei

14:59:18 <Zakim> -MattPerry

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14:59:20 <Zakim> -EricP

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14:59:24 <Zakim> -Souri

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14:59:36 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended

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14:59:38 <Zakim> Attendees were MattPerry, LeeF, +1.310.729.aaaa, kasei, pgearon, AndyS, Sandro, SteveH_, bglimm, Souri, NickH, SteveH, OlivierCorby, EricP

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17:33:19 <AndyS> Defining what it means to be numeric.  Reusing some of ericP's fine words.

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Andy Seaborne: Defining what it means to be numeric. Reusing some of ericP's fine words.

17:51:34 <AndyS> isNumeric added to rq25.  Note: the lexical form of the term must be valid ("1220"^^xsd:byte is not) to make it consistent with numeric operations.  And RDF-MT.

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Andy Seaborne: isNumeric added to rq25. Note: the lexical form of the term must be valid ("1220"^^xsd:byte is not) to make it consistent with numeric operations. And RDF-MT.



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