SPARQL Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 17 August 2010

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2010-08-17
Seen
Alexandre Passant, Andy Seaborne, Axel Polleres, Birte Glimm, Chimezie Ogbuji, Gregory Williams, Lee Feigenbaum, Matthew Perry, Nicholas Humfrey, Nico Michaelis, Olivier Corby, Paul Gearon, Sandro Hawke, Souripriya Das, Steve Harris
Regrets
Nicholas Humfrey, Andy Seaborne
Scribe
Olivier Corby
IRC Log
Original and Editable Wiki Version
Resolutions
  1. Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-08-10 link
Topics
13:32:36 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/08/17-sparql-irc

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13:58:10 <AxelPolleres> trackbot, start meeting

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13:58:14 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 77277

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13:58:14 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes

13:58:15 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
13:58:16 <trackbot> Date: 17 August 2010
13:59:20 <bglimm> Zakim, I am here. Why don't you get that?

Birte Glimm: Zakim, I am here. Why don't you get that?

13:59:21 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, bglimm.

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, bglimm.

13:59:31 <kasei> heh

Gregory Williams: heh

14:00:02 <kasei> Zakim, who's here?

Gregory Williams: Zakim, who's here?

14:00:02 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has not yet started, kasei

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has not yet started, kasei

14:00:03 <Zakim> On IRC I see MattPerry, SteveH, AlexPassant, NicoM, bglimm, OlivierCorby, Zakim, RRSAgent, AxelPolleres, LeeF, karl, kasei, pgearon, iv_an_ru, sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see MattPerry, SteveH, AlexPassant, NicoM, bglimm, OlivierCorby, Zakim, RRSAgent, AxelPolleres, LeeF, karl, kasei, pgearon, iv_an_ru, sandro, trackbot

14:00:15 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?

Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone?

14:00:15 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has not yet started, AxelPolleres

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has not yet started, AxelPolleres

14:00:18 <Zakim> On IRC I see MattPerry, SteveH, AlexPassant, NicoM, bglimm, OlivierCorby, Zakim, RRSAgent, AxelPolleres, LeeF, karl, kasei, pgearon, iv_an_ru, sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see MattPerry, SteveH, AlexPassant, NicoM, bglimm, OlivierCorby, Zakim, RRSAgent, AxelPolleres, LeeF, karl, kasei, pgearon, iv_an_ru, sandro, trackbot

14:00:19 <bglimm> What a crap. First Zakim does not recognize that I have called and not all circuits are busy!

Birte Glimm: What a crap. First Zakim does not recognize that I have called and not all circuits are busy!

14:00:30 <SteveH> bglimm, ah, I jsut beat you I guess

Steve Harris: bglimm, ah, I jsut beat you I guess

14:00:39 <bglimm> Sandro, Ivan, any chance that this will be fixed any time soon?

Birte Glimm: Sandro, Ivan, any chance that this will be fixed any time soon?

14:00:48 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?

Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone?

14:00:48 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has not yet started, AxelPolleres

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has not yet started, AxelPolleres

14:00:49 <Zakim> On IRC I see MattPerry, SteveH, AlexPassant, NicoM, bglimm, OlivierCorby, Zakim, RRSAgent, AxelPolleres, LeeF, karl, kasei, pgearon, iv_an_ru, sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see MattPerry, SteveH, AlexPassant, NicoM, bglimm, OlivierCorby, Zakim, RRSAgent, AxelPolleres, LeeF, karl, kasei, pgearon, iv_an_ru, sandro, trackbot

14:01:00 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, this is SPARQL

Axel Polleres: Zakim, this is SPARQL

14:01:00 <Zakim> ok, AxelPolleres; that matches SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, AxelPolleres; that matches SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM

14:01:11 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?

Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone?

14:01:11 <Zakim> On the phone I see kasei, AxelPolleres, +44.208.439.aacc, +49.911.973.4.aadd, +33.4.92.38.aaee

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see kasei, AxelPolleres, +44.208.439.aacc, +49.911.973.4.aadd, +33.4.92.38.aaee

14:01:28 <SteveH> Zakim, aacc is [Garlik]

Steve Harris: Zakim, aacc is [Garlik]

14:01:29 <Zakim> +[Garlik]; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +[Garlik]; got it

14:01:33 <Zakim> + +44.186.528.aaff

Zakim IRC Bot: + +44.186.528.aaff

14:01:36 <bglimm> Yes, SteveH, but I dialed in twice before and Zakim just did not recognise that

Birte Glimm: Yes, SteveH, but I dialed in twice before and Zakim just did not recognise that

14:01:38 <SteveH> Zakim, [Garlik] is temporarily me

Steve Harris: Zakim, [Garlik] is temporarily me

14:01:38 <Zakim> +SteveH; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveH; got it

14:01:43 <OlivierCorby> Zakim, aaee is me

Olivier Corby: Zakim, aaee is me

14:01:43 <Zakim> +OlivierCorby; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +OlivierCorby; got it

14:01:44 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aagg

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.603.897.aagg

14:01:45 <bglimm> Zakim, +44.186.528.aaff is me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, +44.186.528.aaff is me

14:01:46 <Zakim> +bglimm; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +bglimm; got it

14:01:51 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aahh

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.603.897.aahh

14:01:54 <bglimm> now calling via France

Birte Glimm: now calling via France

14:01:55 <MattPerry> zakim, aagg is me

Matthew Perry: zakim, aagg is me

14:01:55 <Zakim> +MattPerry; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +MattPerry; got it

14:01:55 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?

Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone?

14:01:58 <Zakim> On the phone I see kasei, AxelPolleres, SteveH, +49.911.973.4.aadd, OlivierCorby, bglimm, MattPerry, +1.603.897.aahh

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see kasei, AxelPolleres, SteveH, +49.911.973.4.aadd, OlivierCorby, bglimm, MattPerry, +1.603.897.aahh

14:02:01 <Souri> zakim, aahh is me

Souripriya Das: zakim, aahh is me

14:02:03 <Zakim> +Souri; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Souri; got it

14:02:03 <NicoM> Zakim, +49.9 is me

Nico Michaelis: Zakim, +49.9 is me

14:02:05 <Zakim> +NicoM; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +NicoM; got it

14:02:09 <SteveH> bglimm, are you us�ing the London number? the other one doesn't work at all, as far as I can see

Steve Harris: bglimm, are you us�ing the London number? the other one doesn't work at all, as far as I can see

14:02:23 <AxelPolleres> scribe: OlivierCorby

(Scribe set to Olivier Corby)

14:02:27 <bglimm> +44.203.318.0479  that's what I use

Birte Glimm: +44.203.318.0479 that's what I use

14:02:33 <bglimm> As in the agenda

Birte Glimm: As in the agenda

14:02:35 <AxelPolleres> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2010-08-17
14:02:49 <SteveH> bglimm, yeah. that's the one I connected on

Steve Harris: bglimm, yeah. that's the one I connected on

14:02:53 <kasei> Zakim, who is talking?

Gregory Williams: Zakim, who is talking?

14:03:00 <kasei> very loud

Gregory Williams: very loud

14:03:00 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me

14:03:00 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted

14:03:01 <AxelPolleres> regrets: Nicholas Humfrey, AndyS
14:03:04 <Zakim> kasei, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: AxelPolleres (33%), bglimm (50%)

Zakim IRC Bot: kasei, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: AxelPolleres (33%), bglimm (50%)

14:03:19 <bglimm> I just muted, I think I have a noisy line

Birte Glimm: I just muted, I think I have a noisy line

14:04:31 <Zakim> +Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro

14:04:42 <Zakim> +Chimezie_Ogbuji

Zakim IRC Bot: +Chimezie_Ogbuji

14:04:44 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-08-10

PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-08-10

14:05:13 <Zakim> +pgearon

Zakim IRC Bot: +pgearon

14:05:16 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-08-10

RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-08-10

14:05:40 <AxelPolleres> topic: comment by TBL

1. comment by TBL

14:05:44 <Zakim> + +1.617.245.aaii

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.617.245.aaii

14:05:49 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Aug/0004.html

Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Aug/0004.html

14:05:51 <Zakim> +??P34

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P34

14:05:53 <AlexPassant> Zakim, ??P34 is me

Alexandre Passant: Zakim, ??P34 is me

14:05:53 <Zakim> +AlexPassant; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +AlexPassant; got it

14:06:30 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010JulSep/0227.html

Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010JulSep/0227.html

14:07:31 <OlivierCorby> 1st point about linked data

1st point about linked data

14:07:51 <LeeF> Should we take these one at a time for group discussion?

Lee Feigenbaum: Should we take these one at a time for group discussion?

14:08:21 <AxelPolleres> lee, yup, let'chime summarise first

Axel Polleres: lee, yup, let'chime summarise first

14:09:59 <LeeF> k

Lee Feigenbaum: k

14:10:27 <AxelPolleres> 1) One point is that, mostly, this is a book about how to implement a

Axel Polleres: 1) One point is that, mostly, this is a book about how to implement a

14:10:27 <AxelPolleres> linked data when you have an existing SPARQL server.  This is clearly a good idea..

Axel Polleres: linked data when you have an existing SPARQL server. This is clearly a good idea..

14:10:27 <AxelPolleres> That could be expressed in the abstract.

Axel Polleres: That could be expressed in the abstract.

14:11:42 <AxelPolleres> Chime: how can we refere to LinkedData /design issues doc... since it's not a spec

Chimezie Ogbuji: how can we refere to LinkedData /design issues doc... since it's not a spec [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

14:11:57 <OlivierCorby> Relevance of linked data wrt to this doc ?

Relevance of linked data wrt to this doc ?

14:12:14 <LeeF> I don't personsally share Tim's view, but I also don't have any objections to this view (so yeah, I agree with Chime and Axel)

Lee Feigenbaum: I don't personsally share Tim's view, but I also don't have any objections to this view (so yeah, I agree with Chime and Axel)

14:12:51 <LeeF> I view it as a lightweight, higly portable way to work with RDF data, that's it

Lee Feigenbaum: I view it as a lightweight, higly portable way to work with RDF data, that's it

14:12:58 <LeeF> s/higly/highly

Lee Feigenbaum: s/higly/highly

14:13:26 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: chime to add a statement reflecting TL-1 point 1) in the http-rdf-update

ACTION: chime to add a statement reflecting TL-1 point 1) in the http-rdf-update

14:13:26 <trackbot> Created ACTION-294 - Add a statement reflecting TL-1 point 1) in the http-rdf-update [on Chimezie Ogbuji - due 2010-08-24].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-294 - Add a statement reflecting TL-1 point 1) in the http-rdf-update [on Chimezie Ogbuji - due 2010-08-24].

14:13:49 <LeeF> (BTW, my regrets next week - on vacation)

Lee Feigenbaum: (BTW, my regrets next week - on vacation)

14:14:27 <OlivierCorby> 2. direct vs indirect graph manipulation

2. direct vs indirect graph manipulation

14:14:49 <AxelPolleres> "I would prefer 4.2 be couched as "Graph Mirroring".  This echoes the way many web sites

Axel Polleres: "I would prefer 4.2 be couched as "Graph Mirroring". This echoes the way many web sites

14:14:49 <AxelPolleres> (and FTP sites) mirror another's contents, and may even provide enhanced access, while not being authoritative.

Axel Polleres: (and FTP sites) mirror another's contents, and may even provide enhanced access, while not being authoritative.

14:14:49 <AxelPolleres> "

Axel Polleres: "

14:15:59 <AxelPolleres> Axel: Graph Mirroring is a use case, but not the only one, we should make that clear in the response.

Axel Polleres: Graph Mirroring is a use case, but not the only one, we should make that clear in the response. [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

14:16:29 <AxelPolleres> Chime: hostname/authority was maybe not clear, maybe just needs some rewording

Chimezie Ogbuji: hostname/authority was maybe not clear, maybe just needs some rewording [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

14:16:30 <chimezie> ".. it is often the case (with HTTP graph URIs in particular) that the server associated with the hostname is not the same as the server managing the identified RDF knowledge (as a result of a change in domain name ownership, for instance), the host server is not available, or the URI is not dereferencable"

Chimezie Ogbuji: ".. it is often the case (with HTTP graph URIs in particular) that the server associated with the hostname is not the same as the server managing the identified RDF knowledge (as a result of a change in domain name ownership, for instance), the host server is not available, or the URI is not dereferencable"

14:17:58 <AxelPolleres> Chime: general tenor of the mail, is that Tim unerstand the whole document as one use case we have in mind.

Chimezie Ogbuji: general tenor of the mail, is that Tim unerstand the whole document as one use case we have in mind. [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

14:18:27 <AxelPolleres> sandro: maybe easier, if we respond and try to find some concrete suggestions we can take on board.

Sandro Hawke: maybe easier, if we respond and try to find some concrete suggestions we can take on board. [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

14:19:13 <AxelPolleres> "I'd note that it may be useful to have a way of saying that. A simple P label could do."

Axel Polleres: "I'd note that it may be useful to have a way of saying that. A simple P label could do."

14:19:42 <AxelPolleres> this sentence not really understandable, maybe ask for clarification.

Axel Polleres: this sentence not really understandable, maybe ask for clarification.

14:20:21 <AxelPolleres> "so instead of

Axel Polleres: "so instead of

14:20:21 <AxelPolleres> 	 http://example.com/rdf-graphs/employees?graph=http%3A//www.example.org/other/graph

Axel Polleres: http://example.com/rdf-graphs/employees?graph=http%3A//www.example.org/other/graph

14:20:22 <AxelPolleres> why not

Axel Polleres: why not

14:20:22 <AxelPolleres> 	 http://example.com/rdf-graphs/www.example.org/other/graph

Axel Polleres: http://example.com/rdf-graphs/www.example.org/other/graph

14:20:22 <AxelPolleres> or

Axel Polleres: or

14:20:22 <AxelPolleres> 	 http://example.com/rdf-graphs/employees/other/graph

Axel Polleres: http://example.com/rdf-graphs/employees/other/graph

14:20:24 <AxelPolleres> "

Axel Polleres: "

14:20:36 <SteveH> we need the http/https/urn scheme in there I think

Steve Harris: we need the http/https/urn scheme in there I think

14:21:06 <AxelPolleres> Should we mention both alternatives? I.e. explicityle ecourage masking

Axel Polleres: Should we mention both alternatives? I.e. explicityle ecourage masking

14:21:06 <AxelPolleres> the "?" URIs and adding a section that explains why that might be

Axel Polleres: the "?" URIs and adding a section that explains why that might be

14:21:07 <AxelPolleres> useful?

Axel Polleres: useful?

14:21:21 <pgearon> I'd like to see ? as an option

Paul Gearon: I'd like to see ? as an option

14:21:38 <kasei> +1 pgearon

Gregory Williams: +1 pgearon

14:21:46 <SteveH> yeah

Steve Harris: yeah

14:21:47 <AxelPolleres> tim wrote: "A rewrite rule on the server can of course turn this into the "?" form internally and the CGI apparatus fired up as a result."

Axel Polleres: tim wrote: "A rewrite rule on the server can of course turn this into the "?" form internally and the CGI apparatus fired up as a result."

14:22:28 <pgearon> Many implementations are servlet based, and ? is much easier there

Paul Gearon: Many implementations are servlet based, and ? is much easier there

14:22:29 <SteveH> rewrite rules aren't that bothered about ?s

Steve Harris: rewrite rules aren't that bothered about ?s

14:22:43 <SteveH> pgearon, really? even with PUT?

Steve Harris: pgearon, really? even with PUT?

14:22:50 <NicoM> for non static graphs, having proxies not cache anything may be a good thing

Nico Michaelis: for non static graphs, having proxies not cache anything may be a good thing

14:23:11 <LeeF> are proxies that don't cache ? URIs behaving as per spec or are they being naughty?

Lee Feigenbaum: are proxies that don't cache ? URIs behaving as per spec or are they being naughty?

14:23:16 <AxelPolleres> Axel: Should we explicitly mention the rewrite option in the doc?

Axel Polleres: Should we explicitly mention the rewrite option in the doc? [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

14:23:18 <pgearon> SteveH: for me, sure. I'd expect that JS based implementations would prefer ? as well

Steve Harris: for me, sure. I'd expect that JS based implementations would prefer ? as well [ Scribe Assist by Paul Gearon ]

14:23:26 <AxelPolleres> Chime: wouldn't hurt, can think aobut some text.

Chimezie Ogbuji: wouldn't hurt, can think aobut some text. [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

14:23:37 <SteveH> pgearon, not really, you have to write your own parser either way

Steve Harris: pgearon, not really, you have to write your own parser either way

14:25:03 <AxelPolleres> points 4) 5)  ...

Axel Polleres: points 4) 5) ...

14:25:56 <AxelPolleres> chime: maybe we should ask back for clarification whether there's specific text he had in mind.

Chimezie Ogbuji: maybe we should ask back for clarification whether there's specific text he had in mind. [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

14:26:05 <AxelPolleres> sandro: quicker if we propose text

Sandro Hawke: quicker if we propose text [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

14:26:09 <AxelPolleres> chime: ok

Chimezie Ogbuji: ok [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

14:27:31 <AxelPolleres> "...that THE DEFAULT GRAPH OF THE QUERY IS THE ONE IN THE HTTP REQUEST.

Axel Polleres: "...that THE DEFAULT GRAPH OF THE QUERY IS THE ONE IN THE HTTP REQUEST.

14:27:31 <AxelPolleres> Obvious really, but people can miss it."

Axel Polleres: Obvious really, but people can miss it."

14:28:52 <AxelPolleres> chime: last TC we need to clarify protocol interaction in general. we can put that in the response

Chimezie Ogbuji: last TC we need to clarify protocol interaction in general. we can put that in the response [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

14:29:00 <AxelPolleres> ... ongoing issue

Axel Polleres: ... ongoing issue

14:29:37 <AxelPolleres> Axel: last point 6) on  MS-Author-Via header

Axel Polleres: last point 6) on MS-Author-Via header [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

14:29:57 <AxelPolleres> Chime: some idea, but not sure what he had in mind

Chimezie Ogbuji: some idea, but not sure what he had in mind [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

14:30:06 <AxelPolleres> ... ask back for clarification.

Axel Polleres: ... ask back for clarification.

14:30:36 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Chime to draft response for TL-1

ACTION: Chime to draft response for TL-1

14:30:36 <trackbot> Created ACTION-295 - Draft response for TL-1 [on Chimezie Ogbuji - due 2010-08-24].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-295 - Draft response for TL-1 [on Chimezie Ogbuji - due 2010-08-24].

14:31:44 <Zakim> - +1.617.245.aaii

Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.617.245.aaii

14:31:53 <AxelPolleres> topic: issues to be postponed

2. issues to be postponed

14:32:58 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/issues

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/issues

14:34:06 <SteveH> yes, it was stuff that was left over

Steve Harris: yes, it was stuff that was left over

14:34:10 <SteveH> we did it by hand IIRC

Steve Harris: we did it by hand IIRC

14:34:16 <SteveH> by we, I mean other people :)

Steve Harris: by we, I mean other people :)

14:34:26 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me

Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, mute me

14:34:26 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted

14:35:14 <Zakim> +Lee_Feigenbaum

Zakim IRC Bot: +Lee_Feigenbaum

14:35:24 <AxelPolleres> "alternative limit per resource" http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010JulSep/0194.html

Axel Polleres: "alternative limit per resource" http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010JulSep/0194.html

14:35:28 <LeeF> the issues list was very much done by hand

Lee Feigenbaum: the issues list was very much done by hand

14:35:38 <LeeF> zakim, huh?

Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, huh?

14:35:38 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, LeeF.

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, LeeF.

14:35:43 <LeeF> the issues list was very much done by hand

Lee Feigenbaum: the issues list was very much done by hand

14:36:47 <pgearon> +1 for not touching it right now

Paul Gearon: +1 for not touching it right now

14:36:51 <AxelPolleres> ISSUE: Treatment of "alternative limit per resource" http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010JulSep/0194.html

ISSUE: Treatment of "alternative limit per resource" http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010JulSep/0194.html

14:36:51 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-61 - Treatment of "alternative limit per resource" http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010JulSep/0194.html ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/61/edit .

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ISSUE-61 - Treatment of "alternative limit per resource" http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010JulSep/0194.html ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/61/edit .

14:37:29 <AxelPolleres> query syntax for algebra operators http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010JulSep/0193.html

Axel Polleres: query syntax for algebra operators http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010JulSep/0193.html

14:38:12 <AxelPolleres> ISSUE: shall there be more concise query syntax for all algebra operators http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010JulSep/0193.html

ISSUE: shall there be more concise query syntax for all algebra operators http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010JulSep/0193.html

14:38:12 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-62 - Shall there be more concise query syntax for all algebra operators http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010JulSep/0193.html ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/62/edit .

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ISSUE-62 - Shall there be more concise query syntax for all algebra operators http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010JulSep/0193.html ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/62/edit .

14:38:52 <AxelPolleres> axel: ISSUE-62 related to the open issue around assignment.

Axel Polleres: ISSUE-62 related to the open issue around assignment. [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

14:39:55 <SteveH> why are these being created as ISSUES?!

Steve Harris: why are these being created as ISSUES?!

14:41:14 <pgearon> SteveH, perhaps AxelPolleres means that it's a known limitation of the language?

Paul Gearon: SteveH, perhaps AxelPolleres means that it's a known limitation of the language?

14:42:29 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: close ISSUE-61 with the understanding that we leave treatment of such queries for a coming WG

PROPOSED: close ISSUE-61 with the understanding that we leave treatment of such queries for a coming WG

14:44:49 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: close ISSUE-61 and ISSUE-62 with the understanding that this is out of scope of the current WG

PROPOSED: close ISSUE-61 and ISSUE-62 with the understanding that this is out of scope of the current WG

14:45:01 <AxelPolleres> close ISSUE-61

Axel Polleres: close ISSUE-61

14:45:01 <trackbot> ISSUE-61 Treatment of "alternative limit per resource" http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010JulSep/0194.html closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-61 Treatment of "alternative limit per resource" http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010JulSep/0194.html closed

14:45:10 <AxelPolleres> close ISSUE-62

Axel Polleres: close ISSUE-62

14:45:10 <trackbot> ISSUE-62 Shall there be more concise query syntax for all algebra operators http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010JulSep/0193.html closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-62 Shall there be more concise query syntax for all algebra operators http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010JulSep/0193.html closed

14:45:41 <pgearon> +q

Paul Gearon: +q

14:45:49 <pgearon> q-

Paul Gearon: q-

14:46:49 <AxelPolleres> Axel: so, postponed issue will only be those which we really can't close.

Axel Polleres: so, postponed issue will only be those which we really can't close. [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

14:47:02 <AxelPolleres> .... this way we don't put any burden to a future WG.

Axel Polleres: .... this way we don't put any burden to a future WG.

14:47:53 <AxelPolleres> topic: mark SPARQL update member submission

3. mark SPARQL update member submission

14:49:29 <AxelPolleres> Axel: sandro, can we add a disclaimer on the member submission?

Axel Polleres: sandro, can we add a disclaimer on the member submission? [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

14:49:53 <AxelPolleres> Sandro: as long as we check with submitters, and find sensible wording, that should be fine.

Sandro Hawke: as long as we check with submitters, and find sensible wording, that should be fine. [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

14:50:33 <AxelPolleres> Axel: What we're looking for is a text similar to the OWL1 docs...

Axel Polleres: What we're looking for is a text similar to the OWL1 docs... [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

14:51:02 <AlexPassant> I wrote a simple proposal on the list

Alexandre Passant: I wrote a simple proposal on the list

14:51:42 <AlexPassant> just need to s/Wroking Draft/REC when we switch to rec.

Alexandre Passant: just need to s/Wroking Draft/REC when we switch to rec.

14:51:43 <AxelPolleres> Sandro: Alex' wording needs to be updates, that would be a problem

Sandro Hawke: Alex' wording needs to be updates, that would be a problem [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

14:51:49 <AlexPassant> but I'm open to other proposals

Alexandre Passant: but I'm open to other proposals

14:52:13 <AxelPolleres> ACITON SteveH to suggest a wording for a disclaimer text for the SPARQL update member submission

Axel Polleres: ACITON SteveH to suggest a wording for a disclaimer text for the SPARQL update member submission

14:52:27 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: member:SteveH to suggest a wording for a disclaimer text for the SPARQL update member submission

ACTION: member:SteveH to suggest a wording for a disclaimer text for the SPARQL update member submission

14:52:27 <trackbot> Sorry, bad ACTION syntax

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, bad ACTION syntax

14:52:45 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: steveH  to suggest a wording for a disclaimer text for the SPARQL update member submission

ACTION: steveH to suggest a wording for a disclaimer text for the SPARQL update member submission

14:52:45 <trackbot> Created ACTION-296 -  to suggest a wording for a disclaimer text for the SPARQL update member submission [on Steve Harris - due 2010-08-24].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-296 - to suggest a wording for a disclaimer text for the SPARQL update member submission [on Steve Harris - due 2010-08-24].

14:52:52 <AxelPolleres> topic: AOB?

4. AOB?

14:53:04 <Zakim> -Chimezie_Ogbuji

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14:53:05 <Zakim> -Lee_Feigenbaum

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14:53:06 <Zakim> -bglimm

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14:53:06 <Zakim> -MattPerry

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14:53:08 <Zakim> -AlexPassant

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14:53:09 <Zakim> -Sandro

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14:53:10 <Zakim> -SteveH

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14:53:10 <Zakim> -AxelPolleres

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14:53:12 <Zakim> -kasei

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14:53:13 <AxelPolleres> hearing none, adjourned

Axel Polleres: hearing none, adjourned

14:53:13 <Zakim> -OlivierCorby

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14:53:24 <Zakim> -pgearon

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14:53:27 <Zakim> -NicoM

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14:53:37 <AxelPolleres> rrsagent, make records public

Axel Polleres: rrsagent, make records public

14:54:12 <Zakim> -Souri

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14:54:14 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended

14:54:16 <Zakim> Attendees were +44.186.528.aaaa, kasei, +44.186.528.aabb, AxelPolleres, +44.208.439.aacc, +49.911.973.4.aadd, +33.4.92.38.aaee, SteveH, OlivierCorby, +1.603.897.aagg, bglimm,

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +44.186.528.aaaa, kasei, +44.186.528.aabb, AxelPolleres, +44.208.439.aacc, +49.911.973.4.aadd, +33.4.92.38.aaee, SteveH, OlivierCorby, +1.603.897.aagg, bglimm,

14:54:19 <Zakim> ... +1.603.897.aahh, MattPerry, Souri, NicoM, Sandro, Chimezie_Ogbuji, pgearon, +1.617.245.aaii, AlexPassant, Lee_Feigenbaum

Zakim IRC Bot: ... +1.603.897.aahh, MattPerry, Souri, NicoM, Sandro, Chimezie_Ogbuji, pgearon, +1.617.245.aaii, AlexPassant, Lee_Feigenbaum



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