SPARQL Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 13 July 2010

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2010-07-13
Seen
Alexandre Passant, Andy Seaborne, Axel Polleres, Birte Glimm, Chimezie Ogbuji, Gregory Williams, Ivan Herman, Lee Feigenbaum, Matthew Perry, Olivier Corby, Paul Gearon, Souripriya Das, Steve Harris
Regrets
Axel Polleres
Scribe
Alexandre Passant
IRC Log
Original and Editable Wiki Version
Resolutions
  1. Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-07-06 link
  2. Approve test http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/subquery/manifest#subquery01 link
  3. Approve test http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/subquery/manifest#subquery02 link
  4. Approve test http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/subquery/manifest#subquery03 link
  5. Approve test http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/subquery/manifest#subquery04 link
Topics
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13:56:25 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 77277

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13:56:26 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
13:56:26 <trackbot> Date: 13 July 2010
13:56:28 <LeeF> zakim, this will be sparql

Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, this will be sparql

13:56:31 <Zakim> ok, LeeF; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes

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13:58:04 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has now started

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13:58:12 <Zakim> + +44.186.528.aaaa

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13:58:27 <bglimm> Zakim, +44.186.528.aaaa is me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, +44.186.528.aaaa is me

13:58:27 <Zakim> +bglimm; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +bglimm; got it

13:59:02 <Zakim> +kasei

Zakim IRC Bot: +kasei

13:59:14 <Zakim> + +33.4.92.38.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +33.4.92.38.aabb

13:59:26 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip

Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip

13:59:26 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made

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13:59:28 <OlivierCorby> Zakim, aabb is me

Olivier Corby: Zakim, aabb is me

13:59:30 <Zakim> +OlivierCorby; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +OlivierCorby; got it

13:59:30 <Zakim> +Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan

13:59:34 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

13:59:46 <AndyS> zakim, +[IPCaller] is me

Andy Seaborne: zakim, +[IPCaller] is me

13:59:51 <Zakim> sorry, AndyS, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPCaller]'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, AndyS, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPCaller]'

13:59:52 <Zakim> +??P14

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P14

13:59:55 <AlexPassant> Zakim, ??P14 is me

Alexandre Passant: Zakim, ??P14 is me

13:59:59 <kasei> we should teach Zakim to recognize AndyS by the typing noises :)

Gregory Williams: we should teach Zakim to recognize AndyS by the typing noises :)

14:00:01 <Zakim> +AlexPassant; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +AlexPassant; got it

14:00:04 <AndyS> zakim, +IPCaller is me

Andy Seaborne: zakim, +IPCaller is me

14:00:09 <Zakim> sorry, AndyS, I do not recognize a party named '+IPCaller'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, AndyS, I do not recognize a party named '+IPCaller'

14:00:15 <Zakim> +Lee_Feigenbaum

Zakim IRC Bot: +Lee_Feigenbaum

14:00:18 <AndyS> zakim, [IPCaller] is me

Andy Seaborne: zakim, [IPCaller] is me

14:00:21 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it

14:00:21 <LeeF> zakim, IPCaller is AndyS

Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, IPCaller is AndyS

14:00:26 <Zakim> sorry, LeeF, I do not recognize a party named 'IPCaller'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, LeeF, I do not recognize a party named 'IPCaller'

14:00:36 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.603.897.aacc

14:00:45 <mperry> zakim, aacc is me

Matthew Perry: zakim, aacc is me

14:00:50 <Zakim> + +44.208.439.aadd

Zakim IRC Bot: + +44.208.439.aadd

14:00:52 <Zakim> +mperry; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +mperry; got it

14:00:52 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me

14:00:54 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aaee

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.603.897.aaee

14:00:56 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted

14:00:58 <SteveH_> Zakim, aadd is me

Steve Harris: Zakim, aadd is me

14:01:00 <Zakim> +SteveH_; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveH_; got it

14:01:03 <LeeF> zakim, who's on the phone?

Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, who's on the phone?

14:01:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see bglimm (muted), kasei, OlivierCorby, Ivan, AndyS, AlexPassant, Lee_Feigenbaum, mperry, SteveH_, +1.603.897.aaee

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bglimm (muted), kasei, OlivierCorby, Ivan, AndyS, AlexPassant, Lee_Feigenbaum, mperry, SteveH_, +1.603.897.aaee

14:01:18 <LeeF> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2010-07-13
14:01:19 <Souri> zakim, aaee is me

Souripriya Das: zakim, aaee is me

14:01:19 <Zakim> +Souri; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Souri; got it

14:01:51 <kasei> where is the test CVS? same as docs?

Gregory Williams: where is the test CVS? same as docs?

14:02:05 <chimezie> Zakim, what is the passcode?

Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, what is the passcode?

14:02:05 <Zakim> the conference code is 77277 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), chimezie

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14:02:13 <kasei> thanks

Gregory Williams: thanks

14:02:18 <LeeF> e.g. http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/subquery/

Lee Feigenbaum: e.g. http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/subquery/

14:02:48 <Zakim> + +1.216.636.aaff

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.216.636.aaff

14:03:01 <chimezie> Zakim, +1.216.636.aaff is me

Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, +1.216.636.aaff is me

14:03:01 <Zakim> +chimezie; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +chimezie; got it

14:03:25 <AlexPassant> ok

Alexandre Passant: ok

14:03:33 <LeeF> Scribenick: AlexPassant

(Scribe set to Alexandre Passant)

14:03:33 <LeeF> Regrets: AxelPolleres
14:04:10 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-07-06

PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-07-06

14:04:39 <AlexPassant> LeeF: minutes of last week, long discussion LET and assignement

Lee Feigenbaum: minutes of last week, long discussion LET and assignement

14:05:14 <AlexPassant> ... suggestion to have implementers write up the semantics on the list

... suggestion to have implementers write up the semantics on the list

14:05:19 <AlexPassant> ... to take a decision

... to take a decision

14:05:25 <AlexPassant> ... done by AndyS  and LeeF

... done by AndyS and LeeF

14:05:30 <AlexPassant> ... pgearon will also do

... pgearon will also do

14:05:40 <AlexPassant> ... then we could take a decision

... then we could take a decision

14:05:44 <AlexPassant> ... as done for negation in the past

... as done for negation in the past

14:06:02 <AlexPassant> ... decision by web-based survey or t-con

... decision by web-based survey or t-con

14:06:07 <AlexPassant> ... first option is probably better

... first option is probably better

14:06:11 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-07-06

RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-07-06

14:06:19 <LeeF> Next regular meeting: 2010-07-20 @ 15:00 UK / 10:00 EDT

Lee Feigenbaum: Next regular meeting: 2010-07-20 @ 15:00 UK / 10:00 EDT

14:06:19 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me

Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, mute me

14:06:22 <Zakim> chimezie should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: chimezie should now be muted

14:07:06 <AlexPassant> ... will try to send test cases to the list

... will try to send test cases to the list

14:07:21 <AlexPassant> ... TC will be in CVS

... TC will be in CVS

14:07:43 <AlexPassant> ... if collecting TC, sync with LeeF sandro ivan or Axel for CVS access

... if collecting TC, sync with LeeF sandro ivan or Axel for CVS access

14:07:56 <LeeF> zakim, who's on the phone?

Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, who's on the phone?

14:07:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see bglimm (muted), kasei, OlivierCorby, Ivan, AndyS, AlexPassant, Lee_Feigenbaum, mperry, SteveH_, Souri, chimezie (muted)

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bglimm (muted), kasei, OlivierCorby, Ivan, AndyS, AlexPassant, Lee_Feigenbaum, mperry, SteveH_, Souri, chimezie (muted)

14:08:21 <AlexPassant> ... RDB2RDF published the 1st draft of UCR

... RDB2RDF published the 1st draft of UCR

14:08:27 <AlexPassant> ... mapping languages, etc.

... mapping languages, etc.

14:08:37 <LeeF> topic: test cases

1. test cases

14:08:46 <LeeF> subtopic: subquery

1.1. subquery

14:09:04 <AlexPassant> ... OlivierCorby put TC

... OlivierCorby put TC

14:09:05 <LeeF> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010JulSep/0010.html

Lee Feigenbaum: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010JulSep/0010.html

14:09:14 <AlexPassant> ... Andy raised questions and observations

... Andy raised questions and observations

14:09:19 <AlexPassant> ... discussions on the previous thread

... discussions on the previous thread

14:09:35 <AlexPassant> ... look at each TC and discuss / approve

... look at each TC and discuss / approve

14:09:40 <AlexPassant> ... 10 TC

... 10 TC

14:10:55 <AlexPassant> ... Tests 1 and 2

... Tests 1 and 2

14:11:03 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/subquery/manifest.ttl

Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/subquery/manifest.ttl

14:11:11 <LeeF> :subquery01 rdf:type mf:QueryEvaluationTest ;

Lee Feigenbaum: :subquery01 rdf:type mf:QueryEvaluationTest ;

14:11:11 <LeeF>     mf:name    "Subquery within graph pattern" ;

Lee Feigenbaum: mf:name "Subquery within graph pattern" ;

14:11:11 <LeeF>     dawgt:approval dawgt:NotClassified ;

Lee Feigenbaum: dawgt:approval dawgt:NotClassified ;

14:11:11 <LeeF>     mf:action

Lee Feigenbaum: mf:action

14:11:11 <LeeF>          [ qt:query  <sq01.rq> ;

Lee Feigenbaum: [ qt:query <sq01.rq> ;

14:11:12 <LeeF>            qt:graphData   <sq01.rdf> ] ;

Lee Feigenbaum: qt:graphData <sq01.rdf> ] ;

14:11:14 <LeeF>     mf:result  <sq01.srx>

Lee Feigenbaum: mf:result <sq01.srx>

14:11:16 <LeeF>     .

Lee Feigenbaum: .

14:11:18 <AlexPassant> ... manifest file, walk through the first one

... manifest file, walk through the first one

14:11:21 <AlexPassant> ... query evaluation test

... query evaluation test

14:11:45 <AlexPassant> ... predicate for approval

... predicate for approval

14:11:51 <kasei> in the future, can I suggest indenting the query source and results xml? makes reading them much easier (at least for me)

Gregory Williams: in the future, can I suggest indenting the query source and results xml? makes reading them much easier (at least for me)

14:11:58 <AlexPassant> ... result as an XML file

... result as an XML file

14:12:05 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/subquery/sq01.rdf

Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/subquery/sq01.rdf

14:12:52 <LeeF> 'rdf:resource=""'

Lee Feigenbaum: 'rdf:resource=""'

14:12:59 <kasei> :c :p <sq01.rdf>

Gregory Williams: :c :p <sq01.rdf>

14:13:07 <chimezie> empty URI reference

Chimezie Ogbuji: empty URI reference

14:13:09 <ivan> same as <> in turtle

Ivan Herman: same as <> in turtle

14:13:10 <AndyS> Base URI

Andy Seaborne: Base URI

14:13:19 <LeeF> prefix ex:	<http://www.example.org/schema#>

Lee Feigenbaum: prefix ex: <http://www.example.org/schema#>

14:13:19 <LeeF> prefix in:	<http://www.example.org/instance#>

Lee Feigenbaum: prefix in: <http://www.example.org/instance#>

14:13:19 <LeeF> select  ?x ?p where {

Lee Feigenbaum: select ?x ?p where {

14:13:19 <LeeF> graph ?g {

Lee Feigenbaum: graph ?g {

14:13:19 <LeeF> {select * where {?x ?p ?y}}

Lee Feigenbaum: {select * where {?x ?p ?y}}

14:13:20 <LeeF> }

Lee Feigenbaum: }

14:13:22 <LeeF> }

Lee Feigenbaum: }

14:13:35 <AlexPassant> ... query with a graph clause

... query with a graph clause

14:13:56 <LeeF> expected results - http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/subquery/sq01.srx

Lee Feigenbaum: expected results - http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/subquery/sq01.srx

14:14:16 <AlexPassant> ... projecting the top level query

... projecting the top level query

14:14:34 <AlexPassant> ... get subject and predicate from the triples

... get subject and predicate from the triples

14:16:11 <LeeF> @prefix : <http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/basic/manifest#> .

Lee Feigenbaum: @prefix : <http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/basic/manifest#> .

14:16:25 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/subquery/manifest#

Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/subquery/manifest#

14:16:31 <AlexPassant> ... current manifest should probably be updated

... current manifest should probably be updated

14:16:38 <SteveH_> yes, because the manifest has changed

Steve Harris: yes, because the manifest has changed

14:16:45 <AlexPassant> AndyS: agreed

Andy Seaborne: agreed

14:16:48 <SteveH_> manifest schema that is

Steve Harris: manifest schema that is

14:16:53 <AlexPassant> LeeF: update the prefix manifest

Lee Feigenbaum: update the prefix manifest

14:17:12 <AndyS> This is the URI of the test itself.

Andy Seaborne: This is the URI of the test itself.

14:17:38 <Zakim> +pgearon

Zakim IRC Bot: +pgearon

14:17:47 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Approve test http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/subquery/manifest#subquery01

PROPOSED: Approve test http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/subquery/manifest#subquery01

14:18:31 <AndyS>  http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/subquery/subquery01

Andy Seaborne: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/subquery/subquery01

14:19:41 <AlexPassant> Souri: cannot see the refreshed version

Souripriya Das: cannot see the refreshed version

14:19:48 <AlexPassant> LeeF: mirrors are not always synced

Lee Feigenbaum: mirrors are not always synced

14:19:55 <AndyS> It has just refreshed for me (14:17)

Andy Seaborne: It has just refreshed for me (14:17)

14:20:00 <AlexPassant> ... may need several refreshs

... may need several refreshs

14:20:34 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Approve test http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/subquery/manifest#subquery01

RESOLVED: Approve test http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/subquery/manifest#subquery01

14:20:36 <pgearon> abstain. I came in too late

Paul Gearon: abstain. I came in too late

14:21:01 <AlexPassant> ... 2nd TC

... 2nd TC

14:21:09 <AlexPassant> ... same dataset but different query

... same dataset but different query

14:21:19 <LeeF> prefix ex:	<http://www.example.org/schema#>

Lee Feigenbaum: prefix ex: <http://www.example.org/schema#>

14:21:19 <LeeF> prefix in:	<http://www.example.org/instance#>

Lee Feigenbaum: prefix in: <http://www.example.org/instance#>

14:21:19 <LeeF> select  ?x ?p where {

Lee Feigenbaum: select ?x ?p where {

14:21:19 <LeeF> graph ?g {

Lee Feigenbaum: graph ?g {

14:21:19 <LeeF> {select * where {?x ?p ?g}}

Lee Feigenbaum: {select * where {?x ?p ?g}}

14:21:20 <LeeF> }

Lee Feigenbaum: }

14:21:22 <LeeF> }

Lee Feigenbaum: }

14:21:37 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/subquery/sq02.srx

Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/subquery/sq02.srx

14:22:03 <AlexPassant> ... query nested in a graph clause

... query nested in a graph clause

14:22:30 <SteveH_> q+

Steve Harris: q+

14:22:33 <AlexPassant> ... looks ok to LeeF

... looks ok to LeeF

14:22:35 <LeeF> ack SteveH_

Lee Feigenbaum: ack SteveH_

14:23:42 <AlexPassant> SteveH_: question about the status of abstain

Steve Harris: question about the status of abstain

14:24:53 <AlexPassant> LeeF: do not like to approve tasks that no one executed

Lee Feigenbaum: do not like to approve tasks that no one executed

14:25:04 <AlexPassant> ... may delay some tasks

... may delay some tasks

14:25:54 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Approve test http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/subquery/manifest#subquery02

PROPOSED: Approve test http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/subquery/manifest#subquery02

14:26:01 <SteveH_> abstain

Steve Harris: abstain

14:26:01 <AndyS> seconded

Andy Seaborne: seconded

14:26:12 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Approve test http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/subquery/manifest#subquery02

RESOLVED: Approve test http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/subquery/manifest#subquery02

14:26:59 <AndyS> I now agree with test 3.

Andy Seaborne: I now agree with test 3.

14:27:35 <AlexPassant> ... TC3, same data

... TC3, same data

14:27:47 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/subquery/sq03.rq

Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/subquery/sq03.rq

14:27:53 <AlexPassant> ... different use case of ?g from the previous one

... different use case of ?g from the previous one

14:27:59 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/subquery/sq03.srx

Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/subquery/sq03.srx

14:28:01 <AlexPassant> ... expected results: 2 bindings

... expected results: 2 bindings

14:28:26 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Approve test http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/subquery/manifest#subquery03

PROPOSED: Approve test http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/subquery/manifest#subquery03

14:28:53 <LeeF> 'rdf:resource="'

Lee Feigenbaum: 'rdf:resource="'

14:28:55 <LeeF> 'rdf:resource=""'

Lee Feigenbaum: 'rdf:resource=""'

14:28:55 <AlexPassant> Souri: where do we have the graph name ?

Souripriya Das: where do we have the graph name ?

14:29:03 <AlexPassant> LeeF: rdf:resource="" refers to the base URI

Lee Feigenbaum: rdf:resource="" refers to the base URI

14:29:10 <AlexPassant> ... which is also the graph name in the manifest

... which is also the graph name in the manifest

14:29:20 <LeeF> graph name is object of qt:graphData preficate

Lee Feigenbaum: graph name is object of qt:graphData preficate

14:29:42 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me

Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, unmute me

14:29:42 <Zakim> chimezie should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: chimezie should no longer be muted

14:29:43 <chimezie> q+

Chimezie Ogbuji: q+

14:29:56 <LeeF> ack chimezie

Lee Feigenbaum: ack chimezie

14:30:11 <AlexPassant> chimezie: follow-up, graph name allocated in the manifest is the baseURI of the source file ?

Chimezie Ogbuji: follow-up, graph name allocated in the manifest is the baseURI of the source file ?

14:30:18 <AlexPassant> AndyS: no that's where you read the file from

Andy Seaborne: no that's where you read the file from

14:30:33 <AlexPassant> ... you cant have a name in one place and the data in another

... you cant have a name in one place and the data in another

14:31:31 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me

Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, mute me

14:31:31 <Zakim> chimezie should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: chimezie should now be muted

14:31:50 <AlexPassant> LeeF: graph name is given in the manifest

Lee Feigenbaum: graph name is given in the manifest

14:32:44 <AlexPassant> ... named graph in the RDF dataset are defined by qt:graphData predicate

... named graph in the RDF dataset are defined by qt:graphData predicate

14:33:54 <LeeF> 'rdf:resource=""'

Lee Feigenbaum: 'rdf:resource=""'

14:34:40 <SteveH_> abstain

Steve Harris: abstain

14:34:47 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Approve test http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/subquery/manifest#subquery03

RESOLVED: Approve test http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/subquery/manifest#subquery03

14:34:51 <AndyS> seconded

Andy Seaborne: seconded

14:36:02 <kasei> sq04.rq uses a FROM uri that doesn't exist (?)

Gregory Williams: sq04.rq uses a FROM uri that doesn't exist (?)

14:36:03 <LeeF> test 4 defines a named graph  qt:graphData   <sq01.rdf>

Lee Feigenbaum: test 4 defines a named graph qt:graphData <sq01.rdf>

14:36:09 <AlexPassant> LeeF: Test 4, defines a named graph

Lee Feigenbaum: Test 4, defines a named graph

14:36:18 <LeeF> in the query it uses FROM from <sq04.rdf>

Lee Feigenbaum: in the query it uses FROM from <sq04.rdf>

14:36:27 <AlexPassant> ... uses FROM in the query

... uses FROM in the query

14:36:30 <LeeF> Olivier's email - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010JulSep/0014.html

Lee Feigenbaum: Olivier's email - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010JulSep/0014.html

14:36:40 <AlexPassant> ... understanding from OlivierCorby email is to show that inside the graph clause

... understanding from OlivierCorby email is to show that inside the graph clause

14:37:00 <AlexPassant> ... the subquery is only matching against the main graph of the dataset

... the subquery is only matching against the main graph of the dataset

14:37:29 <AlexPassant> ... if we include a graph both in the manifest and the query

... if we include a graph both in the manifest and the query

14:37:36 <AlexPassant> ... the dataset is not a union of both

... the dataset is not a union of both

14:39:39 <AlexPassant> LeeF: if we want to show that the FROM does not apply, maybe it should be an empty graph

Lee Feigenbaum: if we want to show that the FROM does not apply, maybe it should be an empty graph

14:39:48 <AlexPassant> OlivierCorby: better to use a graph that exists for the FROM ?

Olivier Corby: better to use a graph that exists for the FROM ?

14:39:51 <AlexPassant> LeeF: probably

Lee Feigenbaum: probably

14:40:19 <AndyS> [ qt:query  <sq04.rq> ; qt:data <anything_different_but_exists> ; qt:graphData   <sq01.rdf> ]

Andy Seaborne: [ qt:query <sq04.rq> ; qt:data <anything_different_but_exists> ; qt:graphData <sq01.rdf> ]

14:43:07 <AlexPassant> LeeF: maniest updated in CVS

Lee Feigenbaum: maniest updated in CVS

14:44:11 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Approve test http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/subquery/manifest#subquery04

PROPOSED: Approve test http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/subquery/manifest#subquery04

14:44:20 <SteveH_> abstain

Steve Harris: abstain

14:44:38 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Approve test http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/subquery/manifest#subquery04

RESOLVED: Approve test http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/subquery/manifest#subquery04

14:45:47 <AndyS> Test 8 comment: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010JulSep/0021.html

Andy Seaborne: Test 8 comment: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010JulSep/0021.html

14:46:16 <AlexPassant> LeeF: test8, inner select

Lee Feigenbaum: test8, inner select

14:46:42 <LeeF> prefix ex:	<http://www.example.org/schema#>

Lee Feigenbaum: prefix ex: <http://www.example.org/schema#>

14:46:42 <LeeF> prefix in:	<http://www.example.org/instance#>

Lee Feigenbaum: prefix in: <http://www.example.org/instance#>

14:46:42 <LeeF> select ?x ?max where {

Lee Feigenbaum: select ?x ?max where {

14:46:42 <LeeF> {select max(?y) as ?max where {?x ex:p ?y} }

Lee Feigenbaum: {select max(?y) as ?max where {?x ex:p ?y} }

14:46:42 <LeeF> ?x ex:p ?max

Lee Feigenbaum: ?x ex:p ?max

14:46:43 <LeeF> }

Lee Feigenbaum: }

14:46:44 <AlexPassant> OlivierCorby: corrected query 8

Olivier Corby: corrected query 8

14:46:48 <AlexPassant> ... problem with variable ?x

... problem with variable ?x

14:49:40 <mperry> How is no group by not a problem?

Matthew Perry: How is no group by not a problem?

14:50:11 <mperry> ok

Matthew Perry: ok

14:50:46 <AlexPassant> LeeF: will fix everything in CVS with AndyS  and OlivierCorby

Lee Feigenbaum: will fix everything in CVS with AndyS and OlivierCorby

14:51:42 <AlexPassant> ... dont want to go through all TC now

... dont want to go through all TC now

14:51:46 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me

Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, unmute me

14:51:46 <Zakim> chimezie should no longer be muted

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14:51:55 <chimezie> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010JulSep/0005.html

Chimezie Ogbuji: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010JulSep/0005.html

14:52:25 <AlexPassant> chimezie: using MINUS the girht hand side does not have access to the variables from the left ?

Chimezie Ogbuji: using MINUS the girht hand side does not have access to the variables from the left ?

14:52:30 <AlexPassant> LeeF: yes

Lee Feigenbaum: yes

14:52:34 <AlexPassant> s/girht/right

s/girht/right

14:52:45 <AlexPassant> ... will fix in CVS before the next TC

... will fix in CVS before the next TC

14:52:59 <kasei> I'm mostly able to run them.

Gregory Williams: I'm mostly able to run them.

14:53:08 <AlexPassant> ... anyone able to run the tasks ?

... anyone able to run the tasks ?

14:53:13 <pgearon> I can run a lot of them, but not the update tests

Paul Gearon: I can run a lot of them, but not the update tests

14:53:14 <kasei> might take some coaxing, but close...

Gregory Williams: might take some coaxing, but close...

14:53:17 <AndyS> I'm not able to run update tests yet.

Andy Seaborne: I'm not able to run update tests yet.

14:53:19 <chimezie> the only implentation contribution to the test process i will be able to give will be with SPARQL entailment probably

Chimezie Ogbuji: the only implentation contribution to the test process i will be able to give will be with SPARQL entailment probably

14:53:28 <pgearon> but I don't have much of SPARQL 1.1 implemented

Paul Gearon: but I don't have much of SPARQL 1.1 implemented

14:53:40 <AlexPassant> ... want to start gathering the UDPATE tasks

... want to start gathering the UDPATE tasks

14:54:17 <LeeF> topic: reset operation in Update?

2. reset operation in Update?

14:55:46 <AlexPassant> question is should DROP ALL include only named graphs or also the default one

question is should DROP ALL include only named graphs or also the default one

14:56:40 <pgearon> I wouldn't mind knowing what people would prefer

Paul Gearon: I wouldn't mind knowing what people would prefer

14:57:33 <mperry> I would say drop everything named and default

Matthew Perry: I would say drop everything named and default

14:57:55 <chimezie> if there is already a way to specifically drop the default graph, I would prefer DROP ALL only deletes named graphs

Chimezie Ogbuji: if there is already a way to specifically drop the default graph, I would prefer DROP ALL only deletes named graphs

14:58:13 <AlexPassant> what about DROP NAMED ?

what about DROP NAMED ?

14:58:45 <LeeF> DROP DEFAULT / DROP NAMED / DROP ALL seems reasonably elegant

Lee Feigenbaum: DROP DEFAULT / DROP NAMED / DROP ALL seems reasonably elegant

14:58:46 <AlexPassant> DROP DEFAULT / DROP NAMED / DROP ALL ?

DROP DEFAULT / DROP NAMED / DROP ALL ?

15:00:19 <AlexPassant> Ill followup with these 3 options on the list

Ill followup with these 3 options on the list

15:00:37 <ivan> zakim, drop me

Ivan Herman: zakim, drop me

15:00:37 <Zakim> Ivan is being disconnected

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15:00:39 <Zakim> -Ivan

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15:00:40 <Zakim> -chimezie

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15:00:41 <bglimm> bye

Birte Glimm: bye

15:00:44 <Zakim> -AlexPassant

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15:00:46 <Zakim> -bglimm

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15:00:48 <Zakim> -pgearon

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15:00:52 <Zakim> -mperry

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15:01:04 <LeeF> action-266?

Lee Feigenbaum: ACTION-266?

15:01:04 <trackbot> ACTION-266 -- Gregory Williams to write a mail to the list on the issue of DS-1 and what are the options -- due 2010-07-06 -- OPEN

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15:01:04 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/266

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15:01:08 <Zakim> -SteveH_

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15:01:12 <LeeF> trackbot, close action-266

Lee Feigenbaum: trackbot, close ACTION-266

15:01:12 <trackbot> ACTION-266 Write a mail to the list on the issue of DS-1 and what are the options closed

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15:01:22 <LeeF> action-251?

Lee Feigenbaum: ACTION-251?

15:01:22 <trackbot> ACTION-251 -- Gregory Williams to send test cases for 0-length paths to mailing list -- due 2010-06-03 -- OPEN

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15:01:22 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/251

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15:01:23 <Zakim> -Souri

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15:01:32 <Zakim> -AndyS

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15:01:35 <AlexPassant> RRSAgent: make minutes

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15:01:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/07/13-sparql-minutes.html AlexPassant

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15:01:40 <SteveH_> ther's a lot of delay in zakim

Steve Harris: ther's a lot of delay in zakim

15:01:44 <Zakim> -kasei

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15:01:48 <LeeF> trackbot, close action-251

Lee Feigenbaum: trackbot, close ACTION-251

15:01:48 <trackbot> ACTION-251 Send test cases for 0-length paths to mailing list closed

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15:01:50 <Zakim> -OlivierCorby

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15:02:05 <Zakim> -Lee_Feigenbaum

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15:02:07 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended

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15:02:08 <Zakim> Attendees were bglimm, kasei, +33.4.92.38.aabb, OlivierCorby, Ivan, AlexPassant, Lee_Feigenbaum, AndyS, +1.603.897.aacc, +44.208.439.aadd, mperry, +1.603.897.aaee, SteveH_, Souri,

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were bglimm, kasei, +33.4.92.38.aabb, OlivierCorby, Ivan, AlexPassant, Lee_Feigenbaum, AndyS, +1.603.897.aacc, +44.208.439.aadd, mperry, +1.603.897.aaee, SteveH_, Souri,

15:02:10 <Zakim> ... chimezie, pgearon

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15:03:27 <LeeF> RRSAgent, make logs public

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