SPARQL Working Group

Minutes of 25 May 2010

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2010-05-25
Seen
Alexandre Passant, Andy Seaborne, Axel Polleres, Birte Glimm, Chimezie Ogbuji, David Charboneau, Gregory Williams, Ivan Herman, Lee Feigenbaum, Matthew Perry, Nicholas Humfrey, Olivier Corby, Paul Gearon, Sandro Hawke, Souripriya Das, Steve Harris
Regrets
Chimezie Ogbuji, Sandro Hawke, Alexandre Passant
Chair
Axel Polleres
Scribe
Andy Seaborne
IRC Log
Original and Editable Wiki Version
Resolutions
  1. approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-05-18 link
  2. Publish SPARQL 1.1 Update as a Working Draft link
  3. Publish SPARQL 1.1 Entailment as a Working Draft link
  4. Close ISSUE-8 with the consensus that subqueries share the same RDF dataset as their parent query, and that FROM and FROM NAMED clauses are not permitted in subqueries. link
  5. Close ISSUE-14 with the consensus that SPARQL 1.1 defines the following aggregates: COUNT, SUM, MIN, MAX, AVG, GROUP_CONCAT, and SAMPLE link
  6. close ISSUE-15 with consensus around custom aggregates named with URIs, with no keywords, allowing the DISTINCT modifier, and disallowing the parameterized syntax introduced for GROUP_CONCAT for custom aggregates link
Topics
13:54:35 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/05/25-sparql-irc

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13:54:51 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, this will be sparql

Axel Polleres: Zakim, this will be sparql

13:54:51 <Zakim> ok, AxelPolleres, I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM already started

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, AxelPolleres, I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM already started

13:55:03 <AndyS> bglimm, APIs may let you build queries in other ways.

Andy Seaborne: bglimm, APIs may let you build queries in other ways.

13:55:30 <kasei> bglimm, early

Gregory Williams: bglimm, early

13:55:39 <bglimm> ah, ok, but I don't care about that ;-) I only care about what the spec says

Birte Glimm: ah, ok, but I don't care about that ;-) I only care about what the spec says

13:56:24 <AxelPolleres> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2010-05-25
13:56:29 <AxelPolleres> chair: Axel Polleres
13:56:39 <NicholasHumfrey> zakim, who's muted?

Nicholas Humfrey: zakim, who's muted?

13:56:39 <Zakim> I see NickHumfrey muted

Zakim IRC Bot: I see NickHumfrey muted

13:56:56 <AxelPolleres> regrets: Sandro, chime
13:57:09 <Zakim> + +86528aaaa

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13:57:11 <AxelPolleres> at risk: Alex, Paul

Axel Polleres: at risk: Alex, Paul

13:57:18 <bglimm> Zakim, +86528aaaa is me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, +86528aaaa is me

13:57:18 <Zakim> +bglimm; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +bglimm; got it

13:57:26 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me

13:57:26 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted

13:58:12 <Zakim> +AxelPolleres

Zakim IRC Bot: +AxelPolleres

13:58:22 <Zakim> +pgearon

Zakim IRC Bot: +pgearon

13:58:28 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?

Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone?

13:58:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see NickHumfrey (muted), AndyS, Ivan, bglimm (muted), AxelPolleres, pgearon

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see NickHumfrey (muted), AndyS, Ivan, bglimm (muted), AxelPolleres, pgearon

13:58:39 <AxelPolleres> welcome, Nick!

Axel Polleres: welcome, Nick!

13:59:01 <Zakim> +kasei

Zakim IRC Bot: +kasei

13:59:13 <kasei> Zakim, mute me

Gregory Williams: Zakim, mute me

13:59:13 <Zakim> kasei should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: kasei should now be muted

14:00:04 <Zakim> +MattPerry

Zakim IRC Bot: +MattPerry

14:00:27 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?

Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone?

14:00:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see NickHumfrey, AndyS, Ivan, bglimm (muted), AxelPolleres, pgearon, kasei (muted), MattPerry

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see NickHumfrey, AndyS, Ivan, bglimm (muted), AxelPolleres, pgearon, kasei (muted), MattPerry

14:00:33 <Zakim> +OlivierCorby

Zakim IRC Bot: +OlivierCorby

14:00:41 <Zakim> +dcharbon2

Zakim IRC Bot: +dcharbon2

14:01:19 <Zakim> +mischat

Zakim IRC Bot: +mischat

14:01:29 <SteveH> Zakim, mischat is [Garlik]

Steve Harris: Zakim, mischat is [Garlik]

14:01:29 <Zakim> +[Garlik]; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +[Garlik]; got it

14:01:38 <SteveH> Zakim, [Garlik] is temporarily SteveH

Steve Harris: Zakim, [Garlik] is temporarily SteveH

14:01:38 <Zakim> +SteveH; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveH; got it

14:01:43 <AndyS> I can scribe.

Andy Seaborne: I can scribe.

14:02:06 <AndyS> but I'll let Steve if he wants to :-)

Andy Seaborne: but I'll let Steve if he wants to :-)

14:02:14 <AndyS> scribe: Andy Seaborne

(Scribe set to Andy Seaborne)

14:02:20 <AndyS> scribenick: AndyS
14:02:21 <AxelPolleres> scribe: AndyS
14:02:37 <Zakim> +souri

Zakim IRC Bot: +souri

14:02:43 <AxelPolleres> scribe next tim sandro

Axel Polleres: scribe next tim sandro

14:02:50 <AndyS> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2010-05-25
14:03:01 <AndyS> zakim, who is on the phone?

zakim, who is on the phone?

14:03:01 <Zakim> On the phone I see NicholasHumfrey, AndyS, Ivan, bglimm (muted), AxelPolleres, pgearon, kasei (muted), MattPerry, OlivierCorby, dcharbon2, SteveH, souri

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see NicholasHumfrey, AndyS, Ivan, bglimm (muted), AxelPolleres, pgearon, kasei (muted), MattPerry, OlivierCorby, dcharbon2, SteveH, souri

14:03:05 <Zakim> +Lee_Feigenbaum

Zakim IRC Bot: +Lee_Feigenbaum

14:03:07 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-05-18

PROPOSED: approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-05-18

14:03:22 <AndyS> Regrets: chimezie, sandro, alex
14:03:41 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-05-18

RESOLVED: approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-05-18

14:03:56 <AndyS> Next meeting: 1 June

Next meeting: 1 June

14:03:41 <AxelPolleres> Who's gonna be at SemTech?

Axel Polleres: Who's gonna be at SemTech?

14:04:08 <ivan> me

Ivan Herman: me

14:04:08 <pgearon> I'll be there

Paul Gearon: I'll be there

14:04:10 <LeeF> me

Lee Feigenbaum: me

14:04:11 <MattPerry> I will be there

Matthew Perry: I will be there

14:04:12 <SteveH> I'm not going

Steve Harris: I'm not going

14:04:16 <AndyS> Regrets for next time: AndyS (unless it's raining a lot)

Regrets for next time: AndyS (unless it's raining a lot)

14:04:16 <LeeF> Would like to know who can make the panel, in particular

Lee Feigenbaum: Would like to know who can make the panel, in particular

14:04:23 <souri> me too

Souripriya Das: me too

14:04:23 <bglimm> I'm not going

Birte Glimm: I'm not going

14:04:24 <AndyS> AndyS @semtech

AndyS @semtech

14:04:24 <AxelPolleres> me unfotrunately not going

Axel Polleres: me unfotrunately not going

14:05:24 <LeeF> 2pm on Wednesday

Lee Feigenbaum: 2pm on Wednesday

14:05:31 <AxelPolleres> must be somewhere tthere: http://www.semantic-conference.com/2010/

Axel Polleres: must be somewhere tthere: http://www.semantic-conference.com/2010/

14:05:36 <LeeF> Right now it says:

Lee Feigenbaum: Right now it says:

14:05:37 <LeeF> Lee Feigenbaum, Cambridge Semantics Inc

Lee Feigenbaum: Lee Feigenbaum, Cambridge Semantics Inc

14:05:37 <LeeF> Andy Seaborne, Talis

Lee Feigenbaum: Andy Seaborne, Talis

14:05:37 <LeeF> David S. Newman, Wells Fargo

Lee Feigenbaum: David S. Newman, Wells Fargo

14:05:37 <LeeF> Ivan Herman, World Wide Web Consortium

Lee Feigenbaum: Ivan Herman, World Wide Web Consortium

14:05:37 <LeeF> Paul Gearon, Fedora Commons, Inc

Lee Feigenbaum: Paul Gearon, Fedora Commons, Inc

14:05:47 <LeeF> I'll check with David, who hasn't participated in a while

Lee Feigenbaum: I'll check with David, who hasn't participated in a while

14:06:10 <LeeF> I'll add Souri & Matt if you'd like to join the panel?

Lee Feigenbaum: I'll add Souri & Matt if you'd like to join the panel?

14:06:30 <MattPerry> Sure. Thanks Lee

Matthew Perry: Sure. Thanks Lee

14:06:31 <souri> sure

Souripriya Das: sure

14:06:37 <LeeF> thanks

Lee Feigenbaum: thanks

14:06:53 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments

14:07:21 <AxelPolleres> topic: liaisons

1. liaisons

14:07:57 <AndyS> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/use-cases/

http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/use-cases/

14:08:05 <AxelPolleres> RDB2RDF docs probably next week published

Axel Polleres: RDB2RDF docs probably next week published

14:08:35 <AndyS> Topic:Publishing documents

2. Publishing documents

14:09:02 <LeeF> I'll let people know if I need anything from them

Lee Feigenbaum: I'll let people know if I need anything from them

14:09:03 <AndyS> LeeF: working on publishing docs

Lee Feigenbaum: working on publishing docs

14:09:08 <LeeF> ack me

Lee Feigenbaum: ack me

14:09:40 <bglimm> We also didn't decide on the entailments doc yet if I remeber correctly

Birte Glimm: We also didn't decide on the entailments doc yet if I remeber correctly

14:09:42 <AndyS> LeeF: need to resolve to publish the update doc as there have been changes

Lee Feigenbaum: need to resolve to publish the update doc as there have been changes

14:09:57 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, unmute me

14:09:58 <Zakim> bglimm should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should no longer be muted

14:10:05 <AndyS> s/update doc/update language doc/

s/update doc/update language doc/

14:10:14 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me

14:10:14 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted

14:10:35 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Publish SPARQL 1.1 Update as a Working Draft

PROPOSED: Publish SPARQL 1.1 Update as a Working Draft

14:10:45 <LeeF> Seconded

Lee Feigenbaum: Seconded

14:10:46 <bglimm> +1

Birte Glimm: +1

14:10:46 <AxelPolleres> +1

Axel Polleres: +1

14:10:47 <ivan> 1

Ivan Herman: 1

14:10:53 <souri> +1

Souripriya Das: +1

14:10:53 <MattPerry> +1

Matthew Perry: +1

14:10:54 <OlivierCorby> +1

Olivier Corby: +1

14:10:59 <AndyS> +1

+1

14:11:13 <NicholasHumfrey> +1

Nicholas Humfrey: +1

14:11:31 <pgearon> SPARQL 1.1 Update Revision 1.47

Paul Gearon: SPARQL 1.1 Update Revision 1.47

14:11:33 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Publish SPARQL 1.1 Update as a Working Draft

RESOLVED: Publish SPARQL 1.1 Update as a Working Draft

14:11:46 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, unmute me

14:11:46 <Zakim> bglimm should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should no longer be muted

14:11:49 <AndyS> Entailment doc.

Entailment doc.

14:12:07 <AndyS> bglimm: some changes this week, ready to go

Birte Glimm: some changes this week, ready to go

14:12:10 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me

14:12:10 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted

14:12:10 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Publish SPARQL 1.1 Entailment as a Working Draft

PROPOSED: Publish SPARQL 1.1 Entailment as a Working Draft

14:12:14 <bglimm> +1

Birte Glimm: +1

14:12:18 <AxelPolleres> +1

Axel Polleres: +1

14:12:19 <pgearon> +1

Paul Gearon: +1

14:12:21 <OlivierCorby> +1

Olivier Corby: +1

14:12:22 <souri> +1

Souripriya Das: +1

14:12:24 <NicholasHumfrey> +1

Nicholas Humfrey: +1

14:12:26 <MattPerry> +1

Matthew Perry: +1

14:12:31 <ivan> +1

Ivan Herman: +1

14:12:39 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Publish SPARQL 1.1 Entailment as a Working Draft

RESOLVED: Publish SPARQL 1.1 Entailment as a Working Draft

14:13:58 <AndyS> Topic: More Admin

3. More Admin

14:14:20 <AndyS> AxelPolleres: Welcome to Nick Humfrey of the BBC

Axel Polleres: Welcome to Nick Humfrey of the BBC

14:14:49 <AndyS> NicholasHumfrey: music, /progammes, DBPedia.

Nicholas Humfrey: music, /progammes, DBPedia.

14:15:15 <AndyS> ... here to see what the WG is up and how it would fit in the BBC.

... here to see what the WG is up and how it would fit in the BBC.

14:15:37 <AndyS> Topic: Lee's Initial Issues List

4. Lee's Initial Issues List

14:15:41 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010AprJun/0166.html

Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010AprJun/0166.html

14:16:21 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-8 with the consensus that subqueries share the same RDF dataset as their parent query, and that FROM and FROM NAMED clauses are not permitted in subqueries.

PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-8 with the consensus that subqueries share the same RDF dataset as their parent query, and that FROM and FROM NAMED clauses are not permitted in subqueries.

14:16:35 <souri> +1

Souripriya Das: +1

14:16:41 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/8

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/8

14:17:36 <SteveH> +1

Steve Harris: +1

14:17:44 <kasei> +1

Gregory Williams: +1

14:17:46 <AxelPolleres> +1

Axel Polleres: +1

14:17:46 <MattPerry> +1

Matthew Perry: +1

14:17:46 <AndyS> +1

+1

14:17:47 <bglimm> +1

Birte Glimm: +1

14:17:52 <OlivierCorby> +1

Olivier Corby: +1

14:18:00 <ivan> +1

Ivan Herman: +1

14:18:02 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-8 with the consensus that subqueries share the same RDF dataset as their parent query, and that FROM and FROM NAMED clauses are not permitted in subqueries.

RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-8 with the consensus that subqueries share the same RDF dataset as their parent query, and that FROM and FROM NAMED clauses are not permitted in subqueries.

14:18:12 <LeeF> trackbot, close ISSUE-8

Lee Feigenbaum: trackbot, close ISSUE-8

14:18:12 <trackbot> ISSUE-8 What determines the RDF dataset for subqueries? closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-8 What determines the RDF dataset for subqueries? closed

14:18:29 <LeeF> ISSUE-8 : RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-8 with the consensus that subqueries share the same RDF dataset as their parent query, and that FROM and FROM NAMED clauses are not permitted in subqueries.

Lee Feigenbaum: ISSUE-8 : RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-8 with the consensus that subqueries share the same RDF dataset as their parent query, and that FROM and FROM NAMED clauses are not permitted in subqueries.

14:18:29 <trackbot> ISSUE-8 What determines the RDF dataset for subqueries? notes added

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-8 What determines the RDF dataset for subqueries? notes added

14:18:44 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-14 with the consensus that SPARQL 1.1 defines the following aggregates: COUNT, SUM, MIN, MAX, AVG, GROUP_CONCAT, and SAMPLE.

PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-14 with the consensus that SPARQL 1.1 defines the following aggregates: COUNT, SUM, MIN, MAX, AVG, GROUP_CONCAT, and SAMPLE.

14:19:00 <SteveH> +1

Steve Harris: +1

14:19:01 <kasei> +1

Gregory Williams: +1

14:19:04 <MattPerry> +1

Matthew Perry: +1

14:19:05 <AxelPolleres> +1

Axel Polleres: +1

14:19:08 <OlivierCorby> +1

Olivier Corby: +1

14:19:10 <dcharbon2> +1

David Charboneau: +1

14:19:12 <souri> +1

Souripriya Das: +1

14:19:13 <pgearon> +1

Paul Gearon: +1

14:19:17 <ivan> 1

Ivan Herman: 1

14:19:20 <AndyS> (and custom aggregates)

(and custom aggregates)

14:19:24 <bglimm> +1

Birte Glimm: +1

14:19:56 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-14 with the consensus that SPARQL 1.1 defines the following aggregates: COUNT, SUM, MIN, MAX, AVG, GROUP_CONCAT, and SAMPLE

RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-14 with the consensus that SPARQL 1.1 defines the following aggregates: COUNT, SUM, MIN, MAX, AVG, GROUP_CONCAT, and SAMPLE

14:20:04 <LeeF> ISSUE-14 : RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-14 with the consensus that SPARQL 1.1 defines the following aggregates: COUNT, SUM, MIN, MAX, AVG, GROUP_CONCAT, and SAMPLE

Lee Feigenbaum: ISSUE-14 : RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-14 with the consensus that SPARQL 1.1 defines the following aggregates: COUNT, SUM, MIN, MAX, AVG, GROUP_CONCAT, and SAMPLE

14:20:05 <trackbot> ISSUE-14 Which aggregates to include notes added

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-14 Which aggregates to include notes added

14:20:08 <LeeF> trackbot, close ISSUE-14

Lee Feigenbaum: trackbot, close ISSUE-14

14:20:08 <trackbot> ISSUE-14 Which aggregates to include closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-14 Which aggregates to include closed

14:21:01 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/1

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/1

14:22:02 <AxelPolleres> ISSUE-15 -- I think we have consensus here around custom aggregate

Axel Polleres: ISSUE-15 -- I think we have consensus here around custom aggregate

14:22:03 <AxelPolleres> snamed with URIs, with no keywords, allowing the DISTINCT modifier, and

Axel Polleres: snamed with URIs, with no keywords, allowing the DISTINCT modifier, and

14:22:03 <AxelPolleres> allowing the parameterized syntax introduced for GROUP_CONCAT, but I'm

Axel Polleres: allowing the parameterized syntax introduced for GROUP_CONCAT, but I'm

14:22:03 <AxelPolleres> not positve and don't see this spelled out yet in the editor's draft, so

Axel Polleres: not positve and don't see this spelled out yet in the editor's draft, so

14:22:03 <AxelPolleres> didn't want to propose to resolve the issue yet.

Axel Polleres: didn't want to propose to resolve the issue yet.

14:22:35 <AndyS> q+

q+

14:22:54 <kasei> I think that was Nicholas when he joined the call.

Gregory Williams: I think that was Nicholas when he joined the call.

14:22:59 <AxelPolleres> ack AndyS

Axel Polleres: ack AndyS

14:23:41 <SteveH> q+

Steve Harris: q+

14:23:45 <LeeF> ack ??P0

Lee Feigenbaum: ack ??P0

14:24:29 <NicholasHumfrey> queue-

Nicholas Humfrey: queue-

14:24:35 <AxelPolleres> AndyS: rather would go for simple spolution not allowing parameterised syntax in custom aggregates

Andy Seaborne: rather would go for simple spolution not allowing parameterised syntax in custom aggregates [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

14:24:44 <NicholasHumfrey> queue- ?P0

Nicholas Humfrey: queue- ?P0

14:24:44 <AxelPolleres> ack SteveH

Axel Polleres: ack SteveH

14:25:09 <AxelPolleres> SteveH: seconded what Steve said

Steve Harris: seconded what Steve said [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

14:25:10 <SteveH> loud typing noise

Steve Harris: loud typing noise

14:25:11 <AndyS> SteveH: agree - complexity is not justified

Steve Harris: agree - complexity is not justified

14:25:18 <NicholasHumfrey> arg - sorry. Yes, P0 was me. Trying to learn all this!

Nicholas Humfrey: arg - sorry. Yes, P0 was me. Trying to learn all this!

14:25:36 <LeeF> not me!

Lee Feigenbaum: not me!

14:26:00 <AxelPolleres> strawpoll: prohibit parameterised syntax for custom aggregates?

STRAWPOLL: prohibit parameterised syntax for custom aggregates?

14:26:07 <kasei> 0

Gregory Williams: 0

14:26:09 <AndyS> AxelPolleres: anyone in favour of named parameters to custom aggregates?

Axel Polleres: anyone in favour of named parameters to custom aggregates?

14:26:13 <souri> +1

Souripriya Das: +1

14:26:20 <AndyS> prohibit

prohibit

14:26:23 <OlivierCorby> 0

Olivier Corby: 0

14:26:25 <pgearon> prohibit

Paul Gearon: prohibit

14:26:29 <SteveH> prohibit

Steve Harris: prohibit

14:26:31 <MattPerry> prohibit

Matthew Perry: prohibit

14:26:36 <pgearon> +1

Paul Gearon: +1

14:26:37 <NicholasHumfrey> prohibit

Nicholas Humfrey: prohibit

14:26:38 <souri> prohibit

Souripriya Das: prohibit

14:26:40 <bglimm> prohibit

Birte Glimm: prohibit

14:28:16 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: close ISSUE-15 with  consensus around custom aggregates named with URIs, with no keywords, allowing the DISTINCT modifier, and disallowing the parameterized syntax introduced for GROUP_CONCAT for custom aggregates

PROPOSED: close ISSUE-15 with consensus around custom aggregates named with URIs, with no keywords, allowing the DISTINCT modifier, and disallowing the parameterized syntax introduced for GROUP_CONCAT for custom aggregates

14:28:34 <SteveH> +1

Steve Harris: +1

14:28:38 <MattPerry> +1

Matthew Perry: +1

14:28:43 <bglimm> +1

Birte Glimm: +1

14:28:46 <AndyS> +1

+1

14:28:50 <OlivierCorby> +1

Olivier Corby: +1

14:28:55 <NicholasHumfrey> +1

Nicholas Humfrey: +1

14:28:56 <dcharbon2> +1

David Charboneau: +1

14:28:57 <souri> +1

Souripriya Das: +1

14:28:59 <pgearon> +1

Paul Gearon: +1

14:29:17 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: close ISSUE-15 with  consensus around custom aggregates named with URIs, with no keywords, allowing the DISTINCT modifier, and disallowing the parameterized syntax introduced for GROUP_CONCAT for custom aggregates

RESOLVED: close ISSUE-15 with consensus around custom aggregates named with URIs, with no keywords, allowing the DISTINCT modifier, and disallowing the parameterized syntax introduced for GROUP_CONCAT for custom aggregates

14:29:27 <AxelPolleres> trackbot, close ISSUE-15

Axel Polleres: trackbot, close ISSUE-15

14:29:27 <trackbot> ISSUE-15 Extensibility of aggregate functions closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-15 Extensibility of aggregate functions closed

14:30:03 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/16

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/16

14:30:04 <AndyS> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/16 : Dealing with aggregates over mixed datatypes

http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/16 : Dealing with aggregates over mixed datatypes

14:31:44 <kasei> so what is the current status right now?

Gregory Williams: so what is the current status right now?

14:31:50 <kasei> undefined over mixed datatypes?

Gregory Williams: undefined over mixed datatypes?

14:32:11 <LeeF> I want to close this, but I would like to understand what's in the document currently, too

Lee Feigenbaum: I want to close this, but I would like to understand what's in the document currently, too

14:33:09 <SteveH> +1 to AndyS

Steve Harris: +1 to AndyS

14:33:12 <AxelPolleres> may be safer to keep the issue open until steve went over the last f2f resolutions with scrutinity

Axel Polleres: may be safer to keep the issue open until steve went over the last f2f resolutions with scrutinity

14:33:31 <AndyS> AndyS: will want to discuss presentation of design *after* the next publication.

Andy Seaborne: will want to discuss presentation of design *after* the next publication.

14:34:18 <AndyS> LeeF: Next step is what?

Lee Feigenbaum: Next step is what?

14:34:29 <AndyS> SteveH: examples to add

Steve Harris: examples to add

14:35:22 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: steveh to give examples that highlight  possible ambiguities in the resolutions from last f2f concerning ISSUE-16

ACTION: steveh to give examples that highlight possible ambiguities in the resolutions from last f2f concerning ISSUE-16

14:35:22 <trackbot> Created ACTION-247 - Give examples that highlight  possible ambiguities in the resolutions from last f2f concerning ISSUE-16 [on Steve Harris - due 2010-06-01].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-247 - Give examples that highlight possible ambiguities in the resolutions from last f2f concerning ISSUE-16 [on Steve Harris - due 2010-06-01].

14:36:01 <AndyS> Topic: Issues and Scedule

5. Issues and Scedule

14:36:08 <AndyS> Topic: Issues and Schedule

6. Issues and Schedule

14:36:24 <AndyS> Property path telecon on Thursday

Property path telecon on Thursday

14:37:03 <AndyS> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010AprJun/0243.html

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010AprJun/0243.html

14:37:16 <LeeF> I need to reserve zakim

Lee Feigenbaum: I need to reserve zakim

14:37:21 <LeeF> ivan, can you help with that?

Lee Feigenbaum: ivan, can you help with that?

14:37:28 <AndyS> scheduled at 10:00am EDT / 15:00 GMTDT for up to 2 hours

scheduled at 10:00am EDT / 15:00 GMTDT for up to 2 hours

14:37:42 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: leef to reserve zakim for property path TC

ACTION: leef to reserve zakim for property path TC

14:37:42 <trackbot> Created ACTION-248 - Reserve zakim for property path TC  [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2010-06-01].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-248 - Reserve zakim for property path TC [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2010-06-01].

14:37:43 <ivan> you can do it ad hoc, but I can also send a request if you want

Ivan Herman: you can do it ad hoc, but I can also send a request if you want

14:37:43 <AndyS> Can we just use this channel?

Can we just use this channel?

14:37:57 <LeeF> yes, let's use #sparql like normal

Lee Feigenbaum: yes, let's use #sparql like normal

14:38:14 <ivan> '' /invite zakim; zakim, space for 10? "

Ivan Herman: '' /invite zakim; zakim, space for 10? "

14:39:10 <AxelPolleres> + "/invite rrsagent"

Axel Polleres: + "/invite rrsagent"

14:40:24 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: axel to check back with Lee on how/when to schedule theother special TCs

ACTION: axel to check back with Lee on how/when to schedule theother special TCs

14:40:24 <trackbot> Created ACTION-249 - Check back with Lee on how/when to schedule theother special TCs [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-06-01].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-249 - Check back with Lee on how/when to schedule theother special TCs [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-06-01].

14:41:20 <AxelPolleres> topic: http-update-protocol issue

7. http-update-protocol issue

14:41:23 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010AprJun/0238.html

Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010AprJun/0238.html

14:41:27 <AndyS> Topic:  discussion on http-update-protocol.

8. discussion on http-update-protocol.

14:41:44 <AndyS> AxelPolleres: issue is base URI in updates

Axel Polleres: issue is base URI in updates

14:42:28 <AxelPolleres> "In situations where there is no Base URI in the payload and a graph IRI is

Axel Polleres: "In situations where there is no Base URI in the payload and a graph IRI is

14:42:28 <AxelPolleres> embedded, the RDF document that represents [AWWW] the networked RDF

Axel Polleres: embedded, the RDF document that represents [AWWW] the networked RDF

14:42:28 <AxelPolleres> knowledge identified by the embedded graph IRI SHOULD be considered the

Axel Polleres: knowledge identified by the embedded graph IRI SHOULD be considered the

14:42:28 <AxelPolleres> retrieval context (5.1.2) [RFC3986].  Thus, the default base URI is the base

Axel Polleres: retrieval context (5.1.2) [RFC3986]. Thus, the default base URI is the base

14:42:29 <AxelPolleres> URI of that RDF document."

Axel Polleres: URI of that RDF document."

14:43:10 <AndyS> I would need examples to understand that.

I would need examples to understand that.

14:43:15 <SteveH> me too

Steve Harris: me too

14:44:29 <pgearon> +q

Paul Gearon: +q

14:44:42 <pgearon> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/37

Paul Gearon: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/37

14:44:46 <AndyS> pgearon: Issue 37

Paul Gearon: ISSUE-37

14:45:02 <AndyS> Issue 37 : How does basic federated query interact with SPARQL/Update?

ISSUE-37 : How does basic federated query interact with SPARQL/Update?

14:45:03 <AxelPolleres> "How does basic federated query interact with SPARQL/Update?"

Axel Polleres: "How does basic federated query interact with SPARQL/Update?"

14:45:39 <pgearon> "SPARQL/Update allows the use of SERVICE in the WHERE clause"

Paul Gearon: "SPARQL/Update allows the use of SERVICE in the WHERE clause"

14:45:48 <SteveH> typing noise

Steve Harris: typing noise

14:45:49 <AndyS> pgearon: can allow in the graph pattern, but should not also do federated change

Paul Gearon: can allow in the graph pattern, but should not also do federated change

14:46:22 <AndyS> Fine in intent.

Fine in intent.

14:46:29 <SteveH> q+

Steve Harris: q+

14:46:33 <AndyS> But not in DELETE WHERE please :-)

But not in DELETE WHERE please :-)

14:46:36 <pgearon> q-

Paul Gearon: q-

14:48:22 <AndyS> SteveH: complicated case : update calls back to same service

Steve Harris: complicated case : update calls back to same service

14:49:29 <pgearon> +1 to allow everything in the WHERE clause that is allowed in SPARQL 1.1

Paul Gearon: +1 to allow everything in the WHERE clause that is allowed in SPARQL 1.1

14:50:24 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: steveh to take the discussion on SERVICE in Update to email, highlighting potential problem cases

ACTION: steveh to take the discussion on SERVICE in Update to email, highlighting potential problem cases

14:50:24 <trackbot> Created ACTION-250 - Take the discussion on SERVICE in Update to email, highlighting potential problem cases  [on Steve Harris - due 2010-06-01].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-250 - Take the discussion on SERVICE in Update to email, highlighting potential problem cases [on Steve Harris - due 2010-06-01].

14:51:11 <AndyS> topic: Any other business?

9. Any other business?

14:51:26 <AndyS> Adjourned

Adjourned

14:51:32 <Zakim> -SteveH

Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveH

14:51:32 <bglimm> bye

Birte Glimm: bye

14:51:33 <ivan> zakim, drop me

Ivan Herman: zakim, drop me

14:51:33 <Zakim> Ivan is being disconnected

Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan is being disconnected

14:51:33 <Zakim> -dcharbon2

Zakim IRC Bot: -dcharbon2

14:51:35 <Zakim> -Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan

14:51:36 <MattPerry> bye

Matthew Perry: bye

14:51:37 <Zakim> -AxelPolleres

Zakim IRC Bot: -AxelPolleres

14:51:38 <Zakim> -souri

Zakim IRC Bot: -souri

14:51:40 <Zakim> -kasei

Zakim IRC Bot: -kasei

14:51:41 <Zakim> -pgearon

Zakim IRC Bot: -pgearon

14:51:42 <Zakim> -OlivierCorby

Zakim IRC Bot: -OlivierCorby

14:51:43 <Zakim> -MattPerry

Zakim IRC Bot: -MattPerry

14:51:47 <AndyS> Please remember the property path call on Thursday.

Please remember the property path call on Thursday.

14:51:47 <Zakim> -NicholasHumfrey

Zakim IRC Bot: -NicholasHumfrey

14:51:53 <AxelPolleres> rrsagent, make records public

Axel Polleres: rrsagent, make records public

14:51:56 <Zakim> -Lee_Feigenbaum

Zakim IRC Bot: -Lee_Feigenbaum

14:52:07 <Zakim> -AndyS

Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS

14:52:14 <AxelPolleres> andyS, minutes magic... u or me do it? :-)

Axel Polleres: andyS, minutes magic... u or me do it? :-)

14:57:19 <AndyS> I may not be able to do it until Thursday - travelling tomorrow and no way am I trying using 3G

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I may not be able to do it until Thursday - travelling tomorrow and no way am I trying using 3G

15:01:00 <LeeF> RRSAgent, pointer?

Lee Feigenbaum: RRSAgent, pointer?

15:01:00 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2010/05/25-sparql-irc#T15-01-00

RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2010/05/25-sparql-irc#T15-01-00

15:03:13 <LeeF> pgearon_, AlexPassant -- I'm going to work on getting SPARQL 1.1 Update pubrlues compliant now -- is what's checked in OK to go?

Lee Feigenbaum: pgearon_, AlexPassant -- I'm going to work on getting SPARQL 1.1 Update pubrlues compliant now -- is what's checked in OK to go?

15:05:45 <AxelPolleres> no worries, will do the minutes

Axel Polleres: no worries, will do the minutes

15:06:26 <kasei> LeeF: should I remove the old SD doc diff paragraph and commit the new one in its place?

Lee Feigenbaum: should I remove the old SD doc diff paragraph and commit the new one in its place? [ Scribe Assist by Gregory Williams ]

15:07:11 <LeeF> yes, please

Lee Feigenbaum: yes, please

15:07:15 <kasei> also, (unrelated), my ACTION-235 can be closed.

Gregory Williams: also, (unrelated), my ACTION-235 can be closed.

15:10:20 <kasei> LeeF, ok, the new changes section is committed. Please let me know if there's anything else I can do to help with the publication.

Gregory Williams: LeeF, ok, the new changes section is committed. Please let me know if there's anything else I can do to help with the publication.

15:10:48 <AxelPolleres> hmmm, how to I get CommonScribe to recognise Nick?

Axel Polleres: hmmm, how to I get CommonScribe to recognise Nick?

15:13:05 <LeeF> i'm not sure, AxelPolleres - ask sandro

Lee Feigenbaum: i'm not sure, AxelPolleres - ask sandro

15:13:12 <LeeF> kasei, ok, I will when I get to the SD doc

Lee Feigenbaum: kasei, ok, I will when I get to the SD doc

15:13:14 <LeeF> thanks

Lee Feigenbaum: thanks

15:13:18 <LeeF> trackbot, close ACTION-235

Lee Feigenbaum: trackbot, close ACTION-235

15:13:18 <trackbot> ACTION-235 Review HTTP Uniform Protocol for Managing RDF Graphs closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-235 Review HTTP Uniform Protocol for Managing RDF Graphs closed

15:13:23 <LeeF> trackbot, close ACTION-250

Lee Feigenbaum: trackbot, close ACTION-250

15:13:23 <trackbot> ACTION-250 Take the discussion on SERVICE in Update to email, highlighting potential problem cases closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-250 Take the discussion on SERVICE in Update to email, highlighting potential problem cases closed



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