SPARQL Working Group

Minutes of 18 May 2010

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2010-05-18
Seen
Alexandre Passant, Andy Seaborne, Axel Polleres, Birte Glimm, Chimezie Ogbuji, David Charboneau, Gregory Williams, Ivan Herman, Lee Feigenbaum, Matthew Perry, Olivier Corby, Orri Erling, Paul Gearon, Sandro Hawke, Souripriya Das, Steve Harris, Tommi Koivula
Regrets
Ivan Herman, Alexandre Passant, Sandro Hawke
Chair
Axel Polleres
Scribe
Matthew Perry
IRC Log
Original and Editable Wiki Version
Resolutions
  1. Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-05-11 link
  2. Publish SPARQL 1.1 Uniform HTTP Protocol for Managing RDF Graphs as a Working Draft (with open issues being carried forward on the mailinglist) link
  3. Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/fed/service.xml as FPWD under short name sparql11-federated-query link
  4. Close ISSUE-5, ISSUE-6, ISSUE-7, and ISSUE-13 with no change, noting that SPARQL 1.1 will only allow SELECT subqueries within the query pattern and within (NOT )EXISTS in FILTERs and HAVING clauses. link
Topics
  1. admin

  2. comment handling

  3. liasons

  4. next publication round

  5. next publications

    1. Entailment doc

  6. entailment

  7. http-rdf-update

  8. update

  9. issues and schedule

    Update and Entailment publication decision postponed to next time, given that small changes still need approval (cf. respective ACTIONS)

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13:49:53 <AxelPolleres> trackbot, this will be SPARQL

Axel Polleres: trackbot, this will be SPARQL

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13:50:04 <AxelPolleres> Zakim ,this will be SPARQL

Axel Polleres: Zakim ,this will be SPARQL

13:50:17 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, this will be SPARQL

Axel Polleres: Zakim, this will be SPARQL

13:50:17 <Zakim> ok, AxelPolleres; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 10 minutes

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13:50:30 <AxelPolleres> chair: Axel Polleres
13:51:51 <AxelPolleres> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2010-05-18
13:52:55 <AxelPolleres> regrets: Ivan Herman, Alexandre Passant, Sandro Hawke
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13:57:38 <AndyS> zakim, ??P3 is me

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13:58:53 <Zakim> +OlivierCorby

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13:59:22 <Zakim> +AxelPolleres

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13:59:35 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?

Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone?

13:59:37 <Zakim> + +1.919.332.aaaa

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13:59:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see AndyS, OlivierCorby, AxelPolleres, +1.919.332.aaaa

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13:59:47 <dcharbon2> Zakim, aaaa is me

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14:00:13 <Zakim> +pgearon

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14:00:15 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aabb

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14:00:35 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?

Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone?

14:00:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see AndyS, OlivierCorby, AxelPolleres, dcharbon2, pgearon

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14:00:47 <Zakim> +kasei

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14:00:50 <kasei> Zakim, mute me

Gregory Williams: Zakim, mute me

14:00:50 <Zakim> kasei should now be muted

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14:00:57 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aacc

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14:00:59 <Zakim> +mischat

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14:01:04 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aadd

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14:01:13 <MattPerry> zakim, aadd is me

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14:01:13 <Zakim> +MattPerry; got it

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14:01:17 <Zakim> + +035840564aaee

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14:01:24 <SteveH> Zakim, ??P3 is me

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14:01:27 <Zakim> I already had ??P3 as AndyS, SteveH

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14:01:27 <souri> zakim, who is on the phone?

Souripriya Das: zakim, who is on the phone?

14:01:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see AndyS, OlivierCorby, AxelPolleres, dcharbon2, pgearon, kasei (muted), +1.603.897.aacc, mischat, MattPerry, +035840564aaee

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see AndyS, OlivierCorby, AxelPolleres, dcharbon2, pgearon, kasei (muted), +1.603.897.aacc, mischat, MattPerry, +035840564aaee

14:01:31 <tommik> zakim, aaee is me

Tommi Koivula: zakim, aaee is me

14:01:34 <Zakim> +tommik; got it

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14:01:43 <SteveH> Zakim, miscat is me

Steve Harris: Zakim, miscat is me

14:01:44 <souri> zakim, aacc is me

Souripriya Das: zakim, aacc is me

14:01:47 <Zakim> sorry, SteveH, I do not recognize a party named 'miscat'

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14:01:51 <Zakim> +souri; got it

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14:01:52 <SteveH> Zakim, mischat is me

Steve Harris: Zakim, mischat is me

14:02:01 <Zakim> + +86528aaff

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14:02:03 <Zakim> +SteveH; got it

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14:02:08 <bglimm> I think Zakim didn't get me

Birte Glimm: I think Zakim didn't get me

14:02:17 <AxelPolleres> scribe: matthew perry

(Scribe set to Matthew Perry)

14:02:22 <bglimm> Zakim, + 86528aaff is me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, + 86528aaff is me

14:02:22 <Zakim> I don't understand '+ 86528aaff is me', bglimm

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14:02:28 <Zakim> +Lee_Feigenbaum

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14:02:33 <bglimm> Zakim, +86528aaff is me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, +86528aaff is me

14:02:34 <Zakim> +bglimm; got it

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14:02:41 <MattPerry> scribe: MattPerry
14:02:52 <SteveH> AndyS, I did a last minute update on rq25.xml to fix the numbering in aggs

Steve Harris: AndyS, I did a last minute update on rq25.xml to fix the numbering in aggs

14:03:26 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me

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14:03:36 <AxelPolleres> topic: admin

1. admin

14:03:41 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-05-11

PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-05-11

14:04:02 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-05-11

RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-05-11

14:04:22 <chimezie> Zakim, what is the passcode?

Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, what is the passcode?

14:04:22 <Zakim> the conference code is 77277 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), chimezie

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14:04:30 <AxelPolleres> scribe next time... sandro?

Axel Polleres: scribe next time... sandro?

14:04:47 <Zakim> +Chimezie_Ogbuji

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14:04:48 <MattPerry> topic: comment handling

2. comment handling

14:04:49 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me

Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, mute me

14:04:49 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted

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14:05:09 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: 2 comments not assigned

Axel Polleres: 2 comments not assigned

14:05:20 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments

14:05:23 <AxelPolleres> KK-1

Axel Polleres: KK-1

14:06:02 <MattPerry> ... on http update. No real answer yet

... on http update. No real answer yet

14:06:23 <AxelPolleres> chime on the call?

Axel Polleres: chime on the call?

14:06:29 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?

Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone?

14:06:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see AndyS, OlivierCorby, AxelPolleres, dcharbon2, pgearon, kasei (muted), souri, SteveH, MattPerry, tommik, bglimm (muted), Lee_Feigenbaum, Chimezie_Ogbuji (muted)

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see AndyS, OlivierCorby, AxelPolleres, dcharbon2, pgearon, kasei (muted), souri, SteveH, MattPerry, tommik, bglimm (muted), Lee_Feigenbaum, Chimezie_Ogbuji (muted)

14:06:46 <sandro> can't scribe next Axel, but probably in two weeks.

Sandro Hawke: can't scribe next Axel, but probably in two weeks.

14:07:00 <AxelPolleres> Chime would you be able to take care of KK-1?

Axel Polleres: Chime would you be able to take care of KK-1?

14:07:10 <sandro> [ and regrets for today :-(  ]

Sandro Hawke: [ and regrets for today :-( ]

14:07:19 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

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14:07:19 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to check on who to assign to KK-1 comment

ACTION: Axel to check on who to assign to KK-1 comment

14:07:19 <trackbot> Created ACTION-238 - Check on who to assign to KK-1 comment [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-05-25].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-238 - Check on who to assign to KK-1 comment [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-05-25].

14:07:43 <kasei> NH-4 is a duplicate of NH-1

Gregory Williams: NH-4 is a duplicate of NH-1

14:07:56 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: another comment on service description

Axel Polleres: another comment on service description

14:07:59 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me

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14:08:00 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji should no longer be muted

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14:08:04 <kasei> Zakim, unmute me

Gregory Williams: Zakim, unmute me

14:08:04 <Zakim> kasei should no longer be muted

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14:08:11 <MattPerry> ... Greg took care of other related comments already

... Greg took care of other related comments already

14:08:30 <MattPerry> kasei: NH4 is a duplicate of NH1

Gregory Williams: NH4 is a duplicate of NH1

14:08:44 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Apr/0000.html

Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Apr/0000.html

14:09:07 <MattPerry> kasei: that is a duplicate of NH3

Gregory Williams: that is a duplicate of NH3

14:10:07 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to remove NH-4 (duplicate)

ACTION: Axel to remove NH-4 (duplicate)

14:10:07 <trackbot> Created ACTION-239 - Remove NH-4 (duplicate) [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-05-25].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-239 - Remove NH-4 (duplicate) [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-05-25].

14:10:34 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: Chime to handle KK - 1 comment

Axel Polleres: Chime to handle KK - 1 comment

14:10:52 <MattPerry> topic: liasons

3. liasons

14:11:16 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: RIF went to proposed recommendation

Axel Polleres: RIF went to proposed recommendation

14:11:40 <AxelPolleres> Orri: use case doc will be published in a week or so for rdb2rdf

Orri Erling: use case doc will be published in a week or so for rdb2rdf [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

14:12:06 <AndyS> sandro is not here

Andy Seaborne: sandro is not here

14:12:06 <AxelPolleres> any news from egov?

Axel Polleres: any news from egov?

14:12:28 <MattPerry> topic: next publication round

4. next publication round

14:12:33 <AxelPolleres> topic: next publications

5. next publications

14:12:43 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me

Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, mute me

14:12:43 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted

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14:13:12 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: should we include latest decision on Negation in query doc?

Axel Polleres: should we include latest decision on Negation in query doc?

14:13:14 <kasei> Zakim, mute me

Gregory Williams: Zakim, mute me

14:13:14 <Zakim> kasei should now be muted

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14:13:46 <MattPerry> AndyS: I have updated the grammar, section on negation needs updating

Andy Seaborne: I have updated the grammar, section on negation needs updating

14:13:47 <chimezie> Zakim, who is on the phone?

Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, who is on the phone?

14:13:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see AndyS, OlivierCorby, AxelPolleres, dcharbon2, pgearon, kasei (muted), souri, SteveH, MattPerry, tommik, bglimm (muted), Lee_Feigenbaum, Chimezie_Ogbuji (muted),

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see AndyS, OlivierCorby, AxelPolleres, dcharbon2, pgearon, kasei (muted), souri, SteveH, MattPerry, tommik, bglimm (muted), Lee_Feigenbaum, Chimezie_Ogbuji (muted),

14:13:51 <Zakim> ... [IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: ... [IPcaller]

14:14:53 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: no need for additional resolution to publish query doc

Axel Polleres: no need for additional resolution to publish query doc

14:14:54 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to have a look on Negation section.

ACTION: Axel to have a look on Negation section.

14:14:54 <trackbot> Created ACTION-240 - Have a look on Negation section.  [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-05-25].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-240 - Have a look on Negation section. [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-05-25].

14:15:43 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, unmute me

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14:15:45 <MattPerry> subtopic: Entailment doc

5.1. Entailment doc

14:15:46 <AxelPolleres> topic: entailment

6. entailment

14:16:04 <MattPerry> bglimm: document is ready

Birte Glimm: document is ready

14:16:33 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me

Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, unmute me

14:16:33 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji should no longer be muted

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14:16:33 <MattPerry> ... not sure about Chime's part

... not sure about Chime's part

14:17:03 <MattPerry> chimezie: main issue is do we have authority to provide URI for RIF imports

Chimezie Ogbuji: main issue is do we have authority to provide URI for RIF imports

14:17:21 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to check back URI use for rif:imports

ACTION: Axel to check back URI use for rif:imports

14:17:21 <trackbot> Created ACTION-241 - Check back URI use for rif:imports [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-05-25].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-241 - Check back URI use for rif:imports [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-05-25].

14:18:29 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: one more issue, RIF entailment section still has issue with finiteness

Axel Polleres: one more issue, RIF entailment section still has issue with finiteness

14:19:17 <MattPerry> chimezie: don't require finiteness, but we can have sections that describe how to ensure finiteness

Chimezie Ogbuji: don't require finiteness, but we can have sections that describe how to ensure finiteness

14:20:14 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: we should have an editor's note that reflects that we can support entailments that are not safe

Axel Polleres: we should have an editor's note that reflects that we can support entailments that are not safe

14:21:31 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me

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14:21:41 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Chime to update Section 7 to reflect relaxed finiteness conditions for BGP matching extension.

ACTION: Chime to update Section 7 to reflect relaxed finiteness conditions for BGP matching extension.

14:21:41 <trackbot> Created ACTION-242 - Update Section 7 to reflect relaxed finiteness conditions for BGP matching extension. [on Chimezie Ogbuji - due 2010-05-25].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-242 - Update Section 7 to reflect relaxed finiteness conditions for BGP matching extension. [on Chimezie Ogbuji - due 2010-05-25].

14:22:09 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: we need someone to review the change before we can resolve to publish

Axel Polleres: we need someone to review the change before we can resolve to publish

14:22:12 <bglimm> ok

Birte Glimm: ok

14:22:22 <bglimm> then I'll take a look. I wanted to do that anyway

Birte Glimm: then I'll take a look. I wanted to do that anyway

14:22:27 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Birte to review changes on Section 7.

ACTION: Birte to review changes on Section 7.

14:22:27 <trackbot> Created ACTION-243 - Review changes on Section 7. [on Birte Glimm - due 2010-05-25].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-243 - Review changes on Section 7. [on Birte Glimm - due 2010-05-25].

14:22:55 <AxelPolleres> resolve to publish next week, hopefully.

Axel Polleres: resolve to publish next week, hopefully.

14:23:02 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, unmute me

14:23:02 <Zakim> bglimm should no longer be muted

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14:23:16 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me

14:23:16 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted

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14:23:31 <AxelPolleres> topic: http-rdf-update

7. http-rdf-update

14:23:51 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: are changes from Greg incorporated?

Axel Polleres: are changes from Greg incorporated?

14:24:24 <kasei> Zakim, unmute me

Gregory Williams: Zakim, unmute me

14:24:24 <Zakim> kasei should no longer be muted

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14:24:26 <MattPerry> chimezie: still some details to work out

Chimezie Ogbuji: still some details to work out

14:24:51 <MattPerry> kasei: needs more thought than we have time for in this round

Gregory Williams: needs more thought than we have time for in this round

14:25:53 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: should we add an editorial note about the issues?

Axel Polleres: should we add an editorial note about the issues?

14:26:06 <AxelPolleres> the problem is called out.

Axel Polleres: the problem is called out.

14:26:40 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Publish SPARQL 1.1 Uniform HTTP Protocol for Managing RDF Graphs as a Working Draft

PROPOSED: Publish SPARQL 1.1 Uniform HTTP Protocol for Managing RDF Graphs as a Working Draft

14:26:48 <kasei> +1

Gregory Williams: +1

14:26:57 <kasei> Zakim, mute me

Gregory Williams: Zakim, mute me

14:26:57 <Zakim> kasei should now be muted

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14:27:13 <AxelPolleres> +1

Axel Polleres: +1

14:27:14 <AndyS> 0

Andy Seaborne: 0

14:27:15 <dcharbon2> +1

David Charboneau: +1

14:27:22 <OlivierCorby> +1

Olivier Corby: +1

14:27:26 <pgearon> 0

Paul Gearon: 0

14:27:38 <bglimm> 0 (I haven't looked at it)

Birte Glimm: 0 (I haven't looked at it)

14:28:05 <SteveH> 0 not looked at it either

Steve Harris: 0 not looked at it either

14:28:07 <souri> 0 (yet to look at it)

Souripriya Das: 0 (yet to look at it)

14:28:29 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: maybe we need a dedicated conference for http rdf protocol as well

Axel Polleres: maybe we need a dedicated conference for http rdf protocol as well

14:28:33 <SteveH> q+

Steve Harris: q+

14:28:58 <LeeF> Not sure why everyone is abstaining?

Lee Feigenbaum: Not sure why everyone is abstaining?

14:29:09 <LeeF> Abstaining seems to say that people are unsure whether we ought to publish this as a working draft

Lee Feigenbaum: Abstaining seems to say that people are unsure whether we ought to publish this as a working draft

14:29:17 <SteveH> that was my intention

Steve Harris: that was my intention

14:29:18 <LeeF> WHich is surprising given that no one has raised any serious issues

Lee Feigenbaum: WHich is surprising given that no one has raised any serious issues

14:29:21 <pgearon> +1

Paul Gearon: +1

14:29:27 <AxelPolleres> many people haven't checked it, generally no objection againg�st publishing now.

Axel Polleres: many people haven't checked it, generally no objection againg�st publishing now.

14:29:29 <SteveH> simply haven't had time to read it

Steve Harris: simply haven't had time to read it

14:29:37 <bglimm> I guess I could change mine to +1 by just trusting the reviewers

Birte Glimm: I guess I could change mine to +1 by just trusting the reviewers

14:29:37 <SteveH> and were a /big/ user of this technique

Steve Harris: and were a /big/ user of this technique

14:29:56 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: I think we should publish it now

Axel Polleres: I think we should publish it now

14:29:59 <LeeF> Right, SteveH, I understand that -- and you're welcome to abstain, but Working Draft just is a pretty low threshold for going forward (compared to, say, Last Call)

Lee Feigenbaum: Right, SteveH, I understand that -- and you're welcome to abstain, but Working Draft just is a pretty low threshold for going forward (compared to, say, Last Call)

14:30:00 <AndyS> They are not all noted.

Andy Seaborne: They are not all noted.

14:30:09 <AxelPolleres> unless issues not *noted* in the doc.

Axel Polleres: unless issues not *noted* in the doc.

14:30:40 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: if all issues are not noted, maybe we shouldn't publish now

Axel Polleres: if all issues are not noted, maybe we shouldn't publish now

14:30:50 <AxelPolleres> andy: we can publish, it's not final.

Andy Seaborne: we can publish, it's not final. [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

14:31:16 <MattPerry> LeeF: We should make sure the issues Andy is referring to do not go overlooked

Lee Feigenbaum: We should make sure the issues Andy is referring to do not go overlooked

14:31:45 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: we can publish now and action Chime to collect all issues and start a mail

Axel Polleres: we can publish now and action Chime to collect all issues and start a mail

14:31:57 <AxelPolleres> Axel: propose to publish now and Chime collects issues per mail

Axel Polleres: propose to publish now and Chime collects issues per mail [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

14:32:23 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: chime to collect http-protocol issues and mail to list, others respond if you see anything missing

ACTION: chime to collect http-protocol issues and mail to list, others respond if you see anything missing

14:32:24 <trackbot> Created ACTION-244 - Collect http-protocol issues and mail to list, others respond if you see anything missing [on Chimezie Ogbuji - due 2010-05-25].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-244 - Collect http-protocol issues and mail to list, others respond if you see anything missing [on Chimezie Ogbuji - due 2010-05-25].

14:32:43 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: should we have another vote?

Axel Polleres: should we have another vote?

14:33:03 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Publish SPARQL 1.1 Uniform HTTP Protocol for Managing RDF Graphs as a Working Draft (with open issues being carried forward on the mailinglist)

PROPOSED: Publish SPARQL 1.1 Uniform HTTP Protocol for Managing RDF Graphs as a Working Draft (with open issues being carried forward on the mailinglist)

14:33:06 <souri> +1

Souripriya Das: +1

14:33:08 <kasei> +1

Gregory Williams: +1

14:33:09 <bglimm> +1

Birte Glimm: +1

14:33:14 <AxelPolleres> +1

Axel Polleres: +1

14:33:16 <pgearon> +1

Paul Gearon: +1

14:33:17 <dcharbon2> +1

David Charboneau: +1

14:33:17 <MattPerry> +1

+1

14:33:20 <tommik> +1

Tommi Koivula: +1

14:33:22 <OlivierCorby> +1

Olivier Corby: +1

14:33:38 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Publish SPARQL 1.1 Uniform HTTP Protocol for Managing RDF Graphs as a Working Draft (with open issues being carried forward on the mailinglist)

RESOLVED: Publish SPARQL 1.1 Uniform HTTP Protocol for Managing RDF Graphs as a Working Draft (with open issues being carried forward on the mailinglist)

14:34:33 <AxelPolleres> topic: update

8. update

14:34:33 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me

Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, mute me

14:34:33 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted

14:35:09 <MattPerry> pgearon: a lot of recent changes

Paul Gearon: a lot of recent changes

14:35:25 <AxelPolleres> last issue "DELETE WHERE"

Axel Polleres: last issue "DELETE WHERE"

14:35:29 <MattPerry> ... one issue is DELETE WHERE

... one issue is DELETE WHERE

14:36:00 <MattPerry> ... should be able to resolve in the next day or so, and then have someone review it

... should be able to resolve in the next day or so, and then have someone review it

14:36:17 <LeeF>  OK, if you can point specifically to it :)

Lee Feigenbaum: OK, if you can point specifically to it :)

14:36:39 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: paul to implement change regarding DELETE WHERE

ACTION: paul to implement change regarding DELETE WHERE

14:36:39 <trackbot> Created ACTION-245 - Implement change regarding DELETE WHERE [on Paul Gearon - due 2010-05-25].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-245 - Implement change regarding DELETE WHERE [on Paul Gearon - due 2010-05-25].

14:36:45 <LeeF> I haven't read the replies to my reviews in detail yet - I will in time, but none of it was necessary to hold up publishing IMO

Lee Feigenbaum: I haven't read the replies to my reviews in detail yet - I will in time, but none of it was necessary to hold up publishing IMO

14:36:57 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Lee to check/approve final version of update

ACTION: Lee to check/approve final version of update

14:36:57 <trackbot> Created ACTION-246 - Check/approve final version of update [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2010-05-25].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-246 - Check/approve final version of update [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2010-05-25].

14:37:16 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: hold off on resolving for pulication until changes are made

Axel Polleres: hold off on resolving for pulication until changes are made

14:37:26 <AxelPolleres> will decide about publication next week.

Axel Polleres: will decide about publication next week.

14:37:29 <MattPerry> s/pulication/publication

s/pulication/publication

14:38:14 <AxelPolleres> editors, please announce changes decided today on the list when made!

Axel Polleres: editors, please announce changes decided today on the list when made!

14:39:01 <AndyS> ?? http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010AprJun/0183.html says federated is ready for FPWD

Andy Seaborne: ?? http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010AprJun/0183.html says federated is ready for FPWD

14:39:43 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: concerns with publishing Protocol and Fedrated Query in this round

Axel Polleres: concerns with publishing Protocol and Fedrated Query in this round

14:40:33 <AxelPolleres> "... will clarify with Eric, we hold off from publishing right now. "

Axel Polleres: "... will clarify with Eric, we hold off from publishing right now. "

14:41:06 <MattPerry> LeeF: I think we should publish a first public working draft of Federated Query

Lee Feigenbaum: I think we should publish a first public working draft of Federated Query

14:41:16 <AxelPolleres> if procedure to go to FPWD is quick though, let's go ahead.

Axel Polleres: if procedure to go to FPWD is quick though, let's go ahead.

14:41:53 <AxelPolleres> first we need a short name...

Axel Polleres: first we need a short name...

14:42:12 <AxelPolleres> sparql11-federated-query

Axel Polleres: sparql11-federated-query

14:42:27 <chimezie> +1

Chimezie Ogbuji: +1

14:42:31 <bglimm> +1

Birte Glimm: +1

14:42:31 <AndyS> Looks good ot me

Andy Seaborne: Looks good ot me

14:42:33 <LeeF> Sure

Lee Feigenbaum: Sure

14:42:35 <souri> +1

Souripriya Das: +1

14:42:35 <MattPerry> +1

+1

14:42:36 <OlivierCorby> ok

Olivier Corby: ok

14:42:45 <SteveH> +1

Steve Harris: +1

14:42:48 <dcharbon2> +1

David Charboneau: +1

14:42:52 <pgearon> +1

Paul Gearon: +1

14:42:56 <tommik> +1

Tommi Koivula: +1

14:43:15 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/fed/service.xml as FPWD under short name sparql11-federated-query

PROPOSED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/fed/service.xml as FPWD under short name sparql11-federated-query

14:43:25 <AndyS> +1

Andy Seaborne: +1

14:43:28 <souri> +1

Souripriya Das: +1

14:43:48 <bglimm> +1

Birte Glimm: +1

14:43:49 <kasei> +1

Gregory Williams: +1

14:43:52 <MattPerry> +1

+1

14:43:55 <AxelPolleres> +1

Axel Polleres: +1

14:43:56 <dcharbon2> +1

David Charboneau: +1

14:43:57 <tommik> +1

Tommi Koivula: +1

14:43:57 <chimezie> +1

Chimezie Ogbuji: +1

14:44:04 <OlivierCorby> +1

Olivier Corby: +1

14:44:13 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/fed/service.xml as FPWD under short name sparql11-federated-query

RESOLVED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/fed/service.xml as FPWD under short name sparql11-federated-query

14:44:48 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: no real changes in Protocol, so no need to publish in this round

Axel Polleres: no real changes in Protocol, so no need to publish in this round

14:44:51 <AxelPolleres> No publication of protocol in this round, yees?

Axel Polleres: No publication of protocol in this round, yees?

14:45:18 <AxelPolleres> topic: issues and schedule

9. issues and schedule

Summary: Update and Entailment publication decision postponed to next time, given that small changes still need approval (cf. respective ACTIONS)

14:45:39 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: negation poll closes issue 29

Axel Polleres: negation poll closes ISSUE-29

14:45:50 <AxelPolleres> direction for negation: Include MINUS as a graph pattern operat. Also include NOT EXISTS and EXISTS as FILTERs.

Axel Polleres: direction for negation: Include MINUS as a graph pattern operat. Also include NOT EXISTS and EXISTS as FILTERs.

14:45:56 <AxelPolleres> 9 votes

Axel Polleres: 9 votes

14:46:43 <LeeF> ISSUE-29 : Resolved via clear majority from http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35463/Negation/results

Lee Feigenbaum: ISSUE-29 : Resolved via clear majority from http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35463/Negation/results

14:46:43 <trackbot> ISSUE-29 Should negation be done via a binary operator on subqueries, a binary operator within graph patterns, or a filter+subquery? notes added

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-29 Should negation be done via a binary operator on subqueries, a binary operator within graph patterns, or a filter+subquery? notes added

14:46:48 <AxelPolleres> close ISSUE-29 based on http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35463/Negation/results

Axel Polleres: close ISSUE-29 based on http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35463/Negation/results

14:46:55 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller]

14:46:56 <LeeF> trackbot, close ISSUE-29

Lee Feigenbaum: trackbot, close ISSUE-29

14:46:57 <trackbot> ISSUE-29 Should negation be done via a binary operator on subqueries, a binary operator within graph patterns, or a filter+subquery? closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-29 Should negation be done via a binary operator on subqueries, a binary operator within graph patterns, or a filter+subquery? closed

14:47:25 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010AprJun/0166.html

Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010AprJun/0166.html

14:47:30 <LeeF> If anyone wishes to (not that I would encourage it :-), it's in order to make a formal objection to closing this issue now, or to object at any future WG decision point (e.g. moving to Last Call)

Lee Feigenbaum: If anyone wishes to (not that I would encourage it :-), it's in order to make a formal objection to closing this issue now, or to object at any future WG decision point (e.g. moving to Last Call)

14:49:15 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: issue 5, 6, 7, 13 -- what types of queries are allowed as subqueries

Axel Polleres: ISSUE-5, 6, 7, 13 -- what types of queries are allowed as subqueries

14:49:37 <souri> +1 for all this (that is to keeping it simple)

Souripriya Das: +1 for all this (that is to keeping it simple)

14:50:19 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-5, ISSUE-6, ISSUE-7, and ISSUE-13 with no change, noting that SPARQL 1.1 will only allow SELECT subqueries within the query pattern and within EXISTS FILTERs and HAVING clauses.

PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-5, ISSUE-6, ISSUE-7, and ISSUE-13 with no change, noting that SPARQL 1.1 will only allow SELECT subqueries within the query pattern and within EXISTS FILTERs and HAVING clauses.

14:51:20 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-5, ISSUE-6, ISSUE-7, and ISSUE-13 with no change, noting that SPARQL 1.1 will only allow SELECT subqueries within the query pattern and within (NOT )EXISTS in FILTERs and HAVING clauses.

PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-5, ISSUE-6, ISSUE-7, and ISSUE-13 with no change, noting that SPARQL 1.1 will only allow SELECT subqueries within the query pattern and within (NOT )EXISTS in FILTERs and HAVING clauses.

14:51:50 <AndyS> q+

Andy Seaborne: q+

14:51:55 <chimezie> the algebriac evaluation just makes my head spin

Chimezie Ogbuji: the algebriac evaluation just makes my head spin

14:52:02 <AxelPolleres> ack steveH

Axel Polleres: ack steveH

14:52:04 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: any problems with EXISTS in HAVING

Axel Polleres: any problems with EXISTS in HAVING

14:52:30 <MattPerry> AndyS: shouldn't be any problems -- HAVING is just a FILTER

Andy Seaborne: shouldn't be any problems -- HAVING is just a FILTER

14:52:48 <souri> +1

Souripriya Das: +1

14:52:51 <SteveH> +1

Steve Harris: +1

14:52:53 <MattPerry> +1

+1

14:52:58 <OlivierCorby> 0

Olivier Corby: 0

14:53:06 <tommik> +1

Tommi Koivula: +1

14:53:06 <AndyS> +1

Andy Seaborne: +1

14:53:07 <AxelPolleres> +1

Axel Polleres: +1

14:53:08 <LeeF> good for me

Lee Feigenbaum: good for me

14:53:11 <pgearon> +!

Paul Gearon: +!

14:53:11 <bglimm> +1

Birte Glimm: +1

14:53:14 <LeeF> ack AndyS

Lee Feigenbaum: ack AndyS

14:53:18 <pgearon> +1

Paul Gearon: +1

14:53:24 <chimezie> 0

Chimezie Ogbuji: 0

14:53:38 <MattPerry> OlivierCorby: It is not very elegant to put a graph pattern in a FILTER

Olivier Corby: It is not very elegant to put a graph pattern in a FILTER

14:54:09 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: this ties into resolution of Issue 29

Axel Polleres: this ties into resolution of ISSUE-29

14:54:14 <dcharbon2> +1

David Charboneau: +1

14:54:31 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute

Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, unmute

14:54:31 <Zakim> I don't understand 'unmute', chimezie

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'unmute', chimezie

14:54:36 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me

Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, unmute me

14:54:36 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Chimezie_Ogbuji should no longer be muted

14:55:10 <MattPerry> chimezie: are issues 5, 6, 7, 13 tied to issue 29?

Chimezie Ogbuji: are issues 5, 6, 7, 13 tied to ISSUE-29?

14:56:04 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: (NOT) EXISTS is the only one tied to Issue 29

Axel Polleres: (NOT) EXISTS is the only one tied to ISSUE-29

14:56:48 <LeeF> Lest my comment earlier (re: publishing HTTP update) be misconstrued - there's nothing wrong with abstaining at all, they don't even really need to be justified at all :)

Lee Feigenbaum: Lest my comment earlier (re: publishing HTTP update) be misconstrued - there's nothing wrong with abstaining at all, they don't even really need to be justified at all :)

14:57:01 <MattPerry> chimezie: proliferation of subqueries can be dangerous

Chimezie Ogbuji: proliferation of subqueries can be dangerous

14:58:09 <MattPerry> AndyS: nothing special about subqueries -- just allow you to introduce things in the middle of the query

Andy Seaborne: nothing special about subqueries -- just allow you to introduce things in the middle of the query

14:59:09 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-5, ISSUE-6, ISSUE-7, and ISSUE-13 with no change, noting that SPARQL 1.1 will at most allow SELECT subqueries within the query pattern and within (NOT )EXISTS in FILTERs and HAVING clauses.

PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-5, ISSUE-6, ISSUE-7, and ISSUE-13 with no change, noting that SPARQL 1.1 will at most allow SELECT subqueries within the query pattern and within (NOT )EXISTS in FILTERs and HAVING clauses.

15:00:25 <MattPerry> SteveH: there really is no difference for HAVING and FILTER

Steve Harris: there really is no difference for HAVING and FILTER

15:01:02 <souri> I agree with AndyS about HAVING

Souripriya Das: I agree with AndyS about HAVING

15:01:49 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-5, ISSUE-6, ISSUE-7, and ISSUE-13 with no change, noting that SPARQL 1.1 will only allow SELECT subqueries within the query pattern and within (NOT )EXISTS in FILTERs and HAVING clauses.

RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-5, ISSUE-6, ISSUE-7, and ISSUE-13 with no change, noting that SPARQL 1.1 will only allow SELECT subqueries within the query pattern and within (NOT )EXISTS in FILTERs and HAVING clauses.

15:02:33 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: Lee sent out an email for Property Path teleconference

Axel Polleres: Lee sent out an email for Property Path teleconference

15:02:44 <AxelPolleres> http://doodle.com/z56masysu7afi2a4

Axel Polleres: http://doodle.com/z56masysu7afi2a4

15:03:14 <AxelPolleres> We might also add another extra Telecon for http-protocol issues.

Axel Polleres: We might also add another extra Telecon for http-protocol issues.

15:03:15 <chimezie> bglimm: if you could give me the general idea of how you made lax the fininitess restrictions having already had text for it, would help me with what i need to do

Birte Glimm: if you could give me the general idea of how you made lax the fininitess restrictions having already had text for it, would help me with what i need to do [ Scribe Assist by Chimezie Ogbuji ]

15:03:33 <Zakim> -SteveH

Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveH

15:03:33 <Zakim> -Chimezie_Ogbuji

Zakim IRC Bot: -Chimezie_Ogbuji

15:03:37 <Zakim> -pgearon

Zakim IRC Bot: -pgearon

15:03:41 <Zakim> -OlivierCorby

Zakim IRC Bot: -OlivierCorby

15:03:43 <Zakim> -Lee_Feigenbaum

Zakim IRC Bot: -Lee_Feigenbaum

15:03:46 <AndyS> That was "HTTP Update Protocol"

Andy Seaborne: That was "HTTP Update Protocol"

15:03:47 <Zakim> -bglimm

Zakim IRC Bot: -bglimm

15:03:51 <Zakim> -dcharbon2

Zakim IRC Bot: -dcharbon2

15:03:57 <Zakim> -tommik

Zakim IRC Bot: -tommik

15:04:01 <Zakim> -kasei

Zakim IRC Bot: -kasei

15:04:04 <AxelPolleres> s/http-protocol/http-update-protocol/

Axel Polleres: s/http-protocol/http-update-protocol/

15:04:09 <Zakim> -souri

Zakim IRC Bot: -souri

15:04:10 <AxelPolleres> THanks all!

Axel Polleres: THanks all!

15:04:10 <AxelPolleres> Summary: Update and Entailment publication decision postponed to next time, given that small changes still need approval (cf. respective ACTIONS)
15:04:11 <Zakim> -MattPerry

Zakim IRC Bot: -MattPerry

15:04:13 <SteveH> AndyS, if you have stuff you want to discuss on phone I have 5 mins

Steve Harris: AndyS, if you have stuff you want to discuss on phone I have 5 mins

15:04:19 <AxelPolleres> adjourned

Axel Polleres: adjourned

15:04:35 <AxelPolleres> rrsagent, make records public

Axel Polleres: rrsagent, make records public

15:04:50 <Zakim> -AxelPolleres

Zakim IRC Bot: -AxelPolleres

15:04:57 <Zakim> -AndyS

Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS

15:04:58 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended

15:05:00 <Zakim> Attendees were AndyS, OlivierCorby, AxelPolleres, +1.919.332.aaaa, dcharbon2, pgearon, +1.603.897.aabb, kasei, +1.603.897.aacc, +1.603.897.aadd, MattPerry, +035840564aaee, tommik,

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were AndyS, OlivierCorby, AxelPolleres, +1.919.332.aaaa, dcharbon2, pgearon, +1.603.897.aabb, kasei, +1.603.897.aacc, +1.603.897.aadd, MattPerry, +035840564aaee, tommik,

15:05:02 <Zakim> ... souri, SteveH, Lee_Feigenbaum, bglimm, Chimezie_Ogbuji, [IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: ... souri, SteveH, Lee_Feigenbaum, bglimm, Chimezie_Ogbuji, [IPcaller]



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