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13:56:18 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 77277
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13:56:18 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
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13:56:19 <LeeF> zakim, this will be SPARQL
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, this will be SPARQL ←
13:56:19 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
13:56:19 <Zakim> ok, LeeF; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
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13:56:19 <trackbot> Date: 11 May 2010
13:56:24 <LeeF> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2010-05-11
13:56:53 <LeeF> agenda+ Administration
Lee Feigenbaum: agenda+ Administration ←
13:57:00 <LeeF> agenda+ Negation survey
Lee Feigenbaum: agenda+ Negation survey ←
13:57:08 <LeeF> agenda+ Document reviews and readiness
Lee Feigenbaum: agenda+ Document reviews and readiness ←
13:57:14 <LeeF> agenda+ Dedicated telecons?
Lee Feigenbaum: agenda+ Dedicated telecons? ←
13:57:16 <LeeF> agenda+ AOB?
Lee Feigenbaum: agenda+ AOB? ←
13:58:20 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has now started
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has now started ←
13:58:20 <LeeF> kasei, do we have any need to talk about the naming issues more on today's TC?
Lee Feigenbaum: kasei, do we have any need to talk about the naming issues more on today's TC? ←
13:58:28 <Zakim> +??P18
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P18 ←
13:58:35 <AndyS> zakim, ??P18 is me
Andy Seaborne: zakim, ??P18 is me ←
13:58:35 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it ←
13:58:44 <Zakim> +Lee_Feigenbaum
Zakim IRC Bot: +Lee_Feigenbaum ←
13:58:59 <kasei> I think only if sandro has more to say (and he's not here today, right?)
Gregory Williams: I think only if sandro has more to say (and he's not here today, right?) ←
13:59:21 <Zakim> + +49.238.aaaa
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13:59:47 <Zakim> + +1.518.276.aabb
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13:59:49 <OlivierCorby> Zakim, 49.238.aaaa is me
Olivier Corby: Zakim, 49.238.aaaa is me ←
13:59:49 <Zakim> sorry, OlivierCorby, I do not recognize a party named '49.238.aaaa'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, OlivierCorby, I do not recognize a party named '49.238.aaaa' ←
13:59:56 <kasei> we could discuss namedgraph vs. namedgraphdescription, but that seems less interesting..
Gregory Williams: we could discuss namedgraph vs. namedgraphdescription, but that seems less interesting.. ←
14:00:00 <kasei> Zakim, aabb is me
Gregory Williams: Zakim, aabb is me ←
14:00:02 <Zakim> +kasei; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +kasei; got it ←
14:00:14 <OlivierCorby> Zakim, aaaa is me
Olivier Corby: Zakim, aaaa is me ←
14:00:14 <Zakim> +OlivierCorby; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +OlivierCorby; got it ←
14:00:28 <LeeF> Regrets: MattPerry, Souri
14:00:44 <kasei> Zakim, mute me
Gregory Williams: Zakim, mute me ←
14:00:44 <Zakim> kasei should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: kasei should now be muted ←
14:00:54 <AndyS> kasei - what do you think? /me will go with what the editor suggests (evenifnamedgraphdescriptionisverylong)
Andy Seaborne: kasei - what do you think? /me will go with what the editor suggests (evenifnamedgraphdescriptionisverylong) ←
14:01:07 <Zakim> +??P27
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P27 ←
14:01:09 <kasei> AndyS, ick! :)
Gregory Williams: AndyS, ick! :) ←
14:01:18 <bglimm> Zakim, ??P27 is me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, ??P27 is me ←
14:01:19 <Zakim> +bglimm; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bglimm; got it ←
14:01:20 <LeeF> minutes from last week are at - http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-05-04
Lee Feigenbaum: minutes from last week are at - http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-05-04 ←
14:01:27 <kasei> I prefer just NamedGraph, but NamedGraphDescription certainly seems more accurate.
Gregory Williams: I prefer just NamedGraph, but NamedGraphDescription certainly seems more accurate. ←
14:01:32 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me ←
14:01:32 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted ←
14:01:53 <Zakim> + +03539149aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +03539149aacc ←
14:02:02 <AxelPolleres> trackbot, start meeting
Axel Polleres: trackbot, start meeting ←
14:02:04 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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14:02:06 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 77277
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14:02:06 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start 2 minutes ago
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start 2 minutes ago ←
14:02:07 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
14:02:07 <trackbot> Date: 11 May 2010
14:02:14 <LeeF> zakim, this is SPARQL
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, this is SPARQL ←
14:02:14 <Zakim> ok, LeeF; that matches SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, LeeF; that matches SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM ←
14:02:26 <LeeF> zakim, aacc is AxelPolleres
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, aacc is AxelPolleres ←
14:02:26 <Zakim> +AxelPolleres; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AxelPolleres; got it ←
14:02:31 <LeeF> zakim, who's on the phone?
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, who's on the phone? ←
14:02:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see AndyS, Lee_Feigenbaum, OlivierCorby, kasei (muted), bglimm (muted), AxelPolleres
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see AndyS, Lee_Feigenbaum, OlivierCorby, kasei (muted), bglimm (muted), AxelPolleres ←
14:02:44 <AndyS> Could explain in the text that it describes. It's a pun we use all the time thing and pattern for thing - we talk about triples in a query
Andy Seaborne: Could explain in the text that it describes. It's a pun we use all the time thing and pattern for thing - we talk about triples in a query ←
14:02:48 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip ←
14:02:48 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made ←
14:02:50 <Zakim> +Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan ←
14:03:20 <kasei> did anyone understand the openlink BINDINGS issue email?
Gregory Williams: did anyone understand the openlink BINDINGS issue email? ←
14:03:26 <kasei> AndyS - yes, true.
Gregory Williams: AndyS - yes, true. ←
14:03:36 <LeeF> kasei, I asked that it be sent to the WG mailing list, and then I'll give it a close read
Lee Feigenbaum: kasei, I asked that it be sent to the WG mailing list, and then I'll give it a close read ←
14:03:52 <AxelPolleres> scribe: Axel Polleres
(Scribe set to Axel Polleres)
14:04:41 <AxelPolleres> LeeF: main goal is to check documents for publication, and secondly collect big issues and schedule
Lee Feigenbaum: main goal is to check documents for publication, and secondly collect big issues and schedule ←
14:05:09 <AxelPolleres> ... dedicated task forces/telecons on these issues (Andy's suggestion)
... dedicated task forces/telecons on these issues (Andy's suggestion) ←
14:05:31 <LeeF> zakim, next agendm
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, next agendm ←
14:05:32 <Zakim> I don't understand 'next agendm', LeeF
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'next agendm', LeeF ←
14:05:33 <LeeF> zakim, next agendum
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, next agendum ←
14:05:33 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Administration" taken up [from LeeF]
Zakim IRC Bot: agendum 1. "Administration" taken up [from LeeF] ←
14:05:38 <AxelPolleres> topic: Admin
14:05:43 <LeeF> minutes from last week - http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-05-04#federated_queries
Lee Feigenbaum: minutes from last week - http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-05-04#federated_queries ←
14:05:50 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-05-04#federated_queries
PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-05-04#federated_queries ←
14:06:13 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-05-04#federated_queries
RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-05-04#federated_queries ←
14:06:27 <LeeF> next meeting is one week from today May 18
Lee Feigenbaum: next meeting is one week from today May 18 ←
14:06:31 <ivan> regrets for me
Ivan Herman: regrets for me ←
14:06:36 <LeeF> Sandro to scribe next week
Lee Feigenbaum: Sandro to scribe next week ←
14:06:44 <ivan> I will be at a meeting in Stockholm
Ivan Herman: I will be at a meeting in Stockholm ←
14:06:45 <AxelPolleres> sandro to scribe next week.
sandro to scribe next week. ←
14:07:17 <Zakim> + +1.312.863.aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.312.863.aadd ←
14:07:19 <AxelPolleres> other admin issues?
other admin issues? ←
14:07:29 <pgearon> Zakim, aadd is me
Paul Gearon: Zakim, aadd is me ←
14:07:30 <Zakim> +pgearon; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +pgearon; got it ←
14:07:44 <AxelPolleres> Lee: rdb2rdf to publish use cases/requirements soon...
Lee Feigenbaum: rdb2rdf to publish use cases/requirements soon... ←
14:07:58 <pgearon> hi
Paul Gearon: hi ←
14:08:13 <AxelPolleres> ... rdb2rdf discuss whether SPARQL2SQL is a goal or not.
... rdb2rdf discuss whether SPARQL2SQL is a goal or not. ←
14:08:20 <LeeF> zakim, close agendum
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, close agendum ←
14:08:20 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close agendum', LeeF
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'close agendum', LeeF ←
14:08:24 <LeeF> zakim, next agendum
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, next agendum ←
14:08:24 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Negation survey" taken up [from LeeF]
Zakim IRC Bot: agendum 2. "Negation survey" taken up [from LeeF] ←
14:08:30 <Zakim> +??P14
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P14 ←
14:08:36 <AlexPassant> Zakim, ??P14 is me
Alexandre Passant: Zakim, ??P14 is me ←
14:08:36 <AxelPolleres> topic: negation survey
14:08:38 <Zakim> +AlexPassant; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AlexPassant; got it ←
14:08:43 <LeeF> web survey on negation at http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35463/Negation/
Lee Feigenbaum: web survey on negation at http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35463/Negation/ ←
14:09:29 <AxelPolleres> Lee: one response per organisation
Lee Feigenbaum: one response per organisation ←
14:09:49 <AxelPolleres> ... please agree and reply by monday next week.
... please agree and reply by monday next week. ←
14:10:35 <AxelPolleres> ... if appropriate add rationale to your answers, but not obligatory.
... if appropriate add rationale to your answers, but not obligatory. ←
14:10:35 <LeeF> zakim, next agendum
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, next agendum ←
14:10:35 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Document reviews and readiness" taken up [from LeeF]
Zakim IRC Bot: agendum 3. "Document reviews and readiness" taken up [from LeeF] ←
14:10:50 <AxelPolleres> topic: Document reviews and readiness
14:11:37 <AxelPolleres> lee: we look at actually publishing end of next week, all docs that are ready, not necessarily all.
Lee Feigenbaum: we look at actually publishing end of next week, all docs that are ready, not necessarily all. ←
14:11:50 <AxelPolleres> subtopic: query
14:11:52 <AxelPolleres> Lee: matt did a review.
Lee Feigenbaum: matt did a review. ←
14:11:56 <LeeF> MattPerry's review of query document: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010AprJun/0115.html
Lee Feigenbaum: MattPerry's review of query document: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010AprJun/0115.html ←
14:12:48 <AxelPolleres> ... looks like no real blockers for publishing in those comments, but some things should be sorted before publication.
... looks like no real blockers for publishing in those comments, but some things should be sorted before publication. ←
14:13:19 <AndyS> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010AprJun/0127.html
Andy Seaborne: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010AprJun/0127.html ←
14:13:25 <AxelPolleres> Andy: I expected this publication to be rather a snapshot.
Andy Seaborne: I expected this publication to be rather a snapshot. ←
14:13:47 <AxelPolleres> Lee: we won't neglect those comments.
Lee Feigenbaum: we won't neglect those comments. ←
14:14:00 <AxelPolleres> Andy: TODOs have been added.
Andy Seaborne: TODOs have been added. ←
14:14:16 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Publish SPARQL 1.1 Query as a Working Draft
PROPOSED: Publish SPARQL 1.1 Query as a Working Draft ←
14:14:26 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
14:14:27 <bglimm> +1
Birte Glimm: +1 ←
14:14:27 <AxelPolleres> +1
+1 ←
14:14:39 <OlivierCorby> +1
Olivier Corby: +1 ←
14:14:40 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Publish SPARQL 1.1 Query as a Working Draft
RESOLVED: Publish SPARQL 1.1 Query as a Working Draft ←
14:14:47 <AxelPolleres> Lee: anyone wants to abstain or object?
Lee Feigenbaum: anyone wants to abstain or object? ←
14:14:51 <AxelPolleres> no one...
no one... ←
14:15:31 <LeeF> ACTION: Lee to remove old working draft snapshots from CVS
ACTION: Lee to remove old working draft snapshots from CVS ←
14:15:31 <trackbot> Created ACTION-233 - Remove old working draft snapshots from CVS [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2010-05-18].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-233 - Remove old working draft snapshots from CVS [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2010-05-18]. ←
14:15:33 <AxelPolleres> Lee: Editors please check as far as possible the pubrules, will take over overall coordination.
Lee Feigenbaum: Editors please check as far as possible the pubrules, will take over overall coordination. ←
14:15:41 <LeeF> ACTION: Lee to coordinate prep and publication of working drafts
ACTION: Lee to coordinate prep and publication of working drafts ←
14:15:41 <trackbot> Created ACTION-234 - Coordinate prep and publication of working drafts [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2010-05-18].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-234 - Coordinate prep and publication of working drafts [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2010-05-18]. ←
14:15:56 <AxelPolleres> subtopic: update
14:16:28 <AxelPolleres> Lee: my review will be done this week, hope to decide to publish next week
Lee Feigenbaum: my review will be done this week, hope to decide to publish next week ←
14:16:56 <LeeF> return codes discussion: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010AprJun/0113.html
Lee Feigenbaum: return codes discussion: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010AprJun/0113.html ←
14:17:03 <AxelPolleres> Paul: ... discussion about partial LOAD.
Paul Gearon: ... discussion about partial LOAD. ←
14:17:34 <AndyS> We do say "failure => stop, no further operations attempted"?
Andy Seaborne: We do say "failure => stop, no further operations attempted"? ←
14:17:34 <bglimm> Zakim, bglimm has bglimm, chimezie
Birte Glimm: Zakim, bglimm has bglimm, chimezie ←
14:17:34 <Zakim> +bglimm, chimezie; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bglimm, chimezie; got it ←
14:17:41 <chimezie> Zakim, who is on the phone?
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, who is on the phone? ←
14:17:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see AndyS, Lee_Feigenbaum, OlivierCorby, kasei (muted), bglimm (muted), AxelPolleres, Ivan, pgearon, AlexPassant
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see AndyS, Lee_Feigenbaum, OlivierCorby, kasei (muted), bglimm (muted), AxelPolleres, Ivan, pgearon, AlexPassant ←
14:17:43 <AxelPolleres> ... not sure what/how much to say about success/failure here.
... not sure what/how much to say about success/failure here. ←
14:17:43 <Zakim> bglimm has bglimm, chimezie
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm has bglimm, chimezie ←
14:18:18 <chimezie> Zakim, who is here?
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, who is here? ←
14:18:18 <Zakim> On the phone I see AndyS, Lee_Feigenbaum, OlivierCorby, kasei (muted), bglimm (muted), AxelPolleres, Ivan, pgearon, AlexPassant
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see AndyS, Lee_Feigenbaum, OlivierCorby, kasei (muted), bglimm (muted), AxelPolleres, Ivan, pgearon, AlexPassant ←
14:18:22 <Zakim> bglimm has bglimm, chimezie
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm has bglimm, chimezie ←
14:18:24 <Zakim> On IRC I see chimezie, AlexPassant, Zakim, RRSAgent, LeeF, bglimm, OlivierCorby, AndyS, AxelPolleres, ivan, iv_an_ru, pgearon, karl, kasei, sandro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see chimezie, AlexPassant, Zakim, RRSAgent, LeeF, bglimm, OlivierCorby, AndyS, AxelPolleres, ivan, iv_an_ru, pgearon, karl, kasei, sandro, trackbot ←
14:18:53 <AxelPolleres> Lee: we had discussed different failure codes for different failure conditions for protocol
Lee Feigenbaum: we had discussed different failure codes for different failure conditions for protocol ←
14:19:03 <AndyS> q+
Andy Seaborne: q+ ←
14:19:08 <LeeF> ack AndyS
Lee Feigenbaum: ack AndyS ←
14:19:08 <AxelPolleres> ... do people think we need that or just success/failure?
... do people think we need that or just success/failure? ←
14:19:36 <pgearon> +q
Paul Gearon: +q ←
14:19:40 <LeeF> ack pgearon
Lee Feigenbaum: ack pgearon ←
14:20:09 <AxelPolleres> Andy: don't mind more sophisticated failure, but some systems may have difficulties determining partial load
Andy Seaborne: don't mind more sophisticated failure, but some systems may have difficulties determining partial load ←
14:20:44 <AxelPolleres> andy, did I get that right?
andy, did I get that right? ←
14:21:18 <LeeF> AndyS: some systems would have a lot of trouble telling one failure cause from another
Andy Seaborne: some systems would have a lot of trouble telling one failure cause from another [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
14:21:35 <AxelPolleres> Andy: we can make some suggestions
Andy Seaborne: we can make some suggestions ←
14:22:10 <AxelPolleres> q+
q+ ←
14:22:29 <AxelPolleres> Lee: think simple approach is better for the moment
Lee Feigenbaum: think simple approach is better for the moment ←
14:22:47 <LeeF> ack AxelPolleres
Lee Feigenbaum: ack AxelPolleres ←
14:23:08 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: What was Andy's suggestion?
Axel Polleres: What was Andy's suggestion? [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
14:23:13 <LeeF> q?
Lee Feigenbaum: q? ←
14:24:59 <AxelPolleres> Lee: on the protocol level, we have only two overall failures "it's your fault" or "it's my fault" ... more detailed information typically not in HTTP, but in a (rather human readable) messagein the payload of the response.
Lee Feigenbaum: on the protocol level, we have only two overall failures "it's your fault" or "it's my fault" ... more detailed information typically not in HTTP, but in a (rather human readable) messagein the payload of the response. ←
14:25:47 <AxelPolleres> LeeF: let's leave it to success failure, but we could give some recommendations on how to specify errors in more detail
Lee Feigenbaum: let's leave it to success failure, but we could give some recommendations on how to specify errors in more detail ←
14:26:17 <AxelPolleres> Paul: I'll do it in a day or do, or otherwise keep it in mind.
Paul Gearon: I'll do it in a day or do, or otherwise keep it in mind. ←
14:26:30 <AxelPolleres> subtopic: service description
14:26:49 <AxelPolleres> LeeF: We have a review from Birte.
Lee Feigenbaum: We have a review from Birte. ←
14:26:23 <bglimm> I reviewed it
Birte Glimm: I reviewed it ←
14:26:30 <bglimm> it's ready I would say
Birte Glimm: it's ready I would say ←
14:26:51 <LeeF> review from birte: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010AprJun/0130.html
Lee Feigenbaum: review from birte: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010AprJun/0130.html ←
14:27:40 <AxelPolleres> ... one issue which is stil discussed on the mailinglist concerning naming.
... one issue which is stil discussed on the mailinglist concerning naming. ←
14:27:47 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Publish SPARQL 1.1 Service Description as Working Draft
PROPOSED: Publish SPARQL 1.1 Service Description as Working Draft ←
14:27:48 <AxelPolleres> ... but we should be ready to publish.
... but we should be ready to publish. ←
14:27:50 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
14:27:51 <bglimm> +1
Birte Glimm: +1 ←
14:27:53 <AxelPolleres> +1
+1 ←
14:27:57 <chimezie> +1
Chimezie Ogbuji: +1 ←
14:27:57 <OlivierCorby> +1
Olivier Corby: +1 ←
14:28:08 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Publish SPARQL 1.1 Service Description as Working Draft
RESOLVED: Publish SPARQL 1.1 Service Description as Working Draft ←
14:28:30 <AxelPolleres> subtopic: http-update
14:28:39 <AxelPolleres> Lee: not discussed last week.
Lee Feigenbaum: not discussed last week. ←
14:28:41 <chimezie> i don't think we did
Chimezie Ogbuji: i don't think we did ←
14:28:57 <chimezie> I need feedback about the updates
Chimezie Ogbuji: I need feedback about the updates ←
14:29:03 <chimezie> regarding Kjetl's comments
Chimezie Ogbuji: regarding Kjetl's comments ←
14:29:10 <chimezie> primarily
Chimezie Ogbuji: primarily ←
14:29:07 <AxelPolleres> Lee: chime, is it good to be published?
Lee Feigenbaum: chime, is it good to be published? ←
14:29:28 <AxelPolleres> ... we need a reviewer.
... we need a reviewer. ←
14:29:53 <chimezie> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010AprJun/0067.html
Chimezie Ogbuji: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010AprJun/0067.html ←
14:30:06 <chimezie> was my overview of the updates and there was some more back and forth in the thread
Chimezie Ogbuji: was my overview of the updates and there was some more back and forth in the thread ←
14:30:27 <AxelPolleres> ... open, rewording for ISSUE-49
... open, rewording for ISSUE-49 ←
14:31:16 <chimezie> I also need to incorporate text regarding fragments in URIs and Base URI resolution also discussed in other threads
Chimezie Ogbuji: I also need to incorporate text regarding fragments in URIs and Base URI resolution also discussed in other threads ←
14:31:22 <chimezie> but that was a less contenious issue IMHO
Chimezie Ogbuji: but that was a less contenious issue IMHO ←
14:31:23 <AxelPolleres> ... reviewer should check the document with respect to the latest changes in response to that mail-thread.
... reviewer should check the document with respect to the latest changes in response to that mail-thread. ←
14:31:31 <kasei> i can look over it
Gregory Williams: i can look over it ←
14:31:48 <chimezie> I will work the changes into the editor's draft
Chimezie Ogbuji: I will work the changes into the editor's draft ←
14:31:53 <LeeF> ACTION: Greg to review HTTP Uniform Protocol for Managing RDF Graphs
ACTION: Greg to review HTTP Uniform Protocol for Managing RDF Graphs ←
14:31:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-235 - Review HTTP Uniform Protocol for Managing RDF Graphs [on Gregory Williams - due 2010-05-18].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-235 - Review HTTP Uniform Protocol for Managing RDF Graphs [on Gregory Williams - due 2010-05-18]. ←
14:32:10 <chimezie> yes
Chimezie Ogbuji: yes ←
14:32:28 <AxelPolleres> Lee: Chime, you want to include changes for this publication still?
Lee Feigenbaum: Chime, you want to include changes for this publication still? ←
14:32:28 <chimezie> okay
Chimezie Ogbuji: okay ←
14:32:34 <AxelPolleres> Chime: yes.
Chimezie Ogbuji: yes. ←
14:32:47 <AxelPolleres> subtopic: Entailment
14:32:50 <bglimm> Ent. reg. is ready for review
Birte Glimm: Ent. reg. is ready for review ←
14:33:05 <bglimm> from my point it's in a good state
Birte Glimm: from my point it's in a good state ←
14:33:08 <AxelPolleres> Lee: no reviewer yet.
Lee Feigenbaum: no reviewer yet. ←
14:33:26 <bglimm> Peter Patel Schneider reviewed it
Birte Glimm: Peter Patel Schneider reviewed it ←
14:33:46 <bglimm> he mainly looked at the OWL part
Birte Glimm: he mainly looked at the OWL part ←
14:34:24 <AxelPolleres> ivan: I can do a review, not sure that's the best, I was quite involved.
Ivan Herman: I can do a review, not sure that's the best, I was quite involved. ←
14:34:36 <LeeF> ACTION: Ivan to review SPARQL 1.1 Entailment document for WD publication readiness
ACTION: Ivan to review SPARQL 1.1 Entailment document for WD publication readiness ←
14:34:36 <trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - Ivan
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - Ivan ←
14:34:36 <trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. ivan, imikhail)
Trackbot IRC Bot: Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. ivan, imikhail) ←
14:34:39 <AxelPolleres> ... will go through it tomorrow.
... will go through it tomorrow. ←
14:34:46 <LeeF> ACTION: ivan to review SPARQL 1.1 Entailment document for WD publication readiness
ACTION: ivan to review SPARQL 1.1 Entailment document for WD publication readiness ←
14:34:46 <trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - ivan
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - ivan ←
14:34:46 <trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. ivan, imikhail)
Trackbot IRC Bot: Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. ivan, imikhail) ←
14:34:58 <LeeF> ACTION: ivan herman to review SPARQL 1.1 Entailment document for WD publication readiness
ACTION: ivan herman to review SPARQL 1.1 Entailment document for WD publication readiness ←
14:34:58 <trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - ivan
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - ivan ←
14:34:58 <trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. ivan, imikhail)
Trackbot IRC Bot: Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. ivan, imikhail) ←
14:35:01 <LeeF> ACTION: herman to review SPARQL 1.1 Entailment document for WD publication readiness
ACTION: herman to review SPARQL 1.1 Entailment document for WD publication readiness ←
14:35:01 <trackbot> Created ACTION-236 - Review SPARQL 1.1 Entailment document for WD publication readiness [on Ivan Herman - due 2010-05-18].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-236 - Review SPARQL 1.1 Entailment document for WD publication readiness [on Ivan Herman - due 2010-05-18]. ←
14:35:35 <AxelPolleres> subtopic: federated query
14:35:57 <AxelPolleres> Lee: some open questions still
Lee Feigenbaum: some open questions still ←
14:36:20 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
14:36:22 <AxelPolleres> ... will clarify with Eric, we hold off from publishing right now.
... will clarify with Eric, we hold off from publishing right now. ←
14:36:28 <LeeF> ack ivan
Lee Feigenbaum: ack ivan ←
14:37:34 <AxelPolleres> Lee: group thinks that fed query SERVICE should be optional. but BINDINGS is something maybe more important for query.
Lee Feigenbaum: group thinks that fed query SERVICE should be optional. but BINDINGS is something maybe more important for query. ←
14:37:54 <AxelPolleres> ... I had assumed that it will be a separate document.
... I had assumed that it will be a separate document. ←
14:38:01 <AxelPolleres> q+
q+ ←
14:38:34 <LeeF> ack AxelPolleres
Lee Feigenbaum: ack AxelPolleres ←
14:38:53 <AndyS> A brutal C&P and we could add to query doc as an appendix for now.
Andy Seaborne: A brutal C&P and we could add to query doc as an appendix for now. ←
14:40:28 <LeeF> straw poll: federated query as own doucment or in query document
Lee Feigenbaum: straw poll: federated query as own doucment or in query document ←
14:40:36 <pgearon> +1 for query
Paul Gearon: +1 for query ←
14:40:40 <chimezie> +1 own document
Chimezie Ogbuji: +1 own document ←
14:40:41 <kasei> 0
14:40:42 <AxelPolleres> Axel: remember we said that we should publish for now as own document, but could later include it (since all queries may be refused)
Axel Polleres: remember we said that we should publish for now as own document, but could later include it (since all queries may be refused) ←
14:40:44 <bglimm> +1 own
Birte Glimm: +1 own ←
14:40:44 <AndyS> 0 don't mind
Andy Seaborne: 0 don't mind ←
14:40:51 <OlivierCorby> 0
Olivier Corby: 0 ←
14:40:56 <AlexPassant> 0
14:40:58 <LeeF> +1 own
Lee Feigenbaum: +1 own ←
14:41:01 <ivan> +0.5 for query
Ivan Herman: +0.5 for query ←
14:41:25 <AxelPolleres> 0 separate for now and include later (like propertypaths), seems fine to me but means extra hurdle of FPWD
0 separate for now and include later (like propertypaths), seems fine to me but means extra hurdle of FPWD ←
14:42:02 <AxelPolleres> Lee: anything more about the document itself?
Lee Feigenbaum: anything more about the document itself? ←
14:42:03 <LeeF> LeeF: I'll talk to Eric about it and propose approach to publishing fed query this week on mailing list
Lee Feigenbaum: I'll talk to Eric about it and propose approach to publishing fed query this week on mailing list [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
14:42:10 <LeeF> zakim, next agendum
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, next agendum ←
14:42:10 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Dedicated telecons?" taken up [from LeeF]
Zakim IRC Bot: agendum 4. "Dedicated telecons?" taken up [from LeeF] ←
14:42:51 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: Talk to Eric also about the discussion re: variables in SERVICE
Axel Polleres: Talk to Eric also about the discussion re: variables in SERVICE [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
14:42:57 <AxelPolleres> Lee: will check with Eric about the minutes two weeks ago.
Lee Feigenbaum: will check with Eric about the minutes two weeks ago. ←
14:43:32 <AxelPolleres> ... regarding variables for SERVICE, some remark should have been added at least to the doc.
... regarding variables for SERVICE, some remark should have been added at least to the doc. ←
14:44:00 <AxelPolleres> topic: issues and schedule
14:44:07 <LeeF> potential topics:
Lee Feigenbaum: potential topics: ←
14:44:10 <LeeF> * update formal model
Lee Feigenbaum: * update formal model ←
14:44:19 <AxelPolleres> Lee: we collect topics and organis dedicated telconfs.
Lee Feigenbaum: we collect topics and organis dedicated telconfs. ←
14:44:27 <LeeF> * property paths open questions (duplicates, cycles, negated paths)
Lee Feigenbaum: * property paths open questions (duplicates, cycles, negated paths) ←
14:44:37 <LeeF> * building test cases
Lee Feigenbaum: * building test cases ←
14:45:45 <AxelPolleres> * Dminus entailment (probably this is a minor/time allowed one)
* Dminus entailment (probably this is a minor/time allowed one) ←
14:46:07 <bglimm> D Entailment without RDFS entailments
Birte Glimm: D Entailment without RDFS entailments ←
14:46:26 <bglimm> call
Birte Glimm: call ←
14:46:39 <bglimm> but muted (sitting in a loud hotel lobby)
Birte Glimm: but muted (sitting in a loud hotel lobby) ←
14:47:05 <LeeF> Who would try to attend a dedicated TC on an update formal model?
Lee Feigenbaum: Who would try to attend a dedicated TC on an update formal model? ←
14:47:08 <pgearon> +1
Paul Gearon: +1 ←
14:47:09 <AxelPolleres> +1
+1 ←
14:47:11 <LeeF> +1
Lee Feigenbaum: +1 ←
14:47:13 <AndyS> +1
Andy Seaborne: +1 ←
14:47:48 <LeeF> Who would try to attend a dedicated TC on property paths open issues?
Lee Feigenbaum: Who would try to attend a dedicated TC on property paths open issues? ←
14:47:57 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
14:47:59 <LeeF> +1
Lee Feigenbaum: +1 ←
14:47:59 <kasei> +1
Gregory Williams: +1 ←
14:47:59 <pgearon> +1
Paul Gearon: +1 ←
14:48:01 <OlivierCorby> +1
Olivier Corby: +1 ←
14:48:01 <AndyS> +1
Andy Seaborne: +1 ←
14:48:05 <AlexPassant> +1
Alexandre Passant: +1 ←
14:48:05 <AxelPolleres> +1
+1 ←
14:48:07 <bglimm> +1
Birte Glimm: +1 ←
14:48:15 <chimezie> 0.5 (not certain)
Chimezie Ogbuji: 0.5 (not certain) ←
14:48:41 <LeeF> Who would try to attend a dedicated TC for building out test cases?
Lee Feigenbaum: Who would try to attend a dedicated TC for building out test cases? ←
14:48:44 <LeeF> +1
Lee Feigenbaum: +1 ←
14:48:45 <AxelPolleres> +1
+1 ←
14:48:46 <kasei> +1 time permitting
Gregory Williams: +1 time permitting ←
14:48:48 <AndyS> +1
Andy Seaborne: +1 ←
14:48:48 <bglimm> +1
Birte Glimm: +1 ←
14:48:57 <OlivierCorby> +1
Olivier Corby: +1 ←
14:49:09 <AndyS> (but not *doing* all test cases)
Andy Seaborne: (but not *doing* all test cases) ←
14:49:25 <AxelPolleres> LeeF: will try to set up doodle or alike
Lee Feigenbaum: will try to set up doodle or alike ←
14:49:55 <LeeF> Who would try to attend a dedicated TC for Dminus entailment?
Lee Feigenbaum: Who would try to attend a dedicated TC for Dminus entailment? ←
14:49:57 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
14:49:58 <AxelPolleres> +1
+1 ←
14:49:58 <bglimm> +1
Birte Glimm: +1 ←
14:50:02 <chimezie> +1
Chimezie Ogbuji: +1 ←
14:50:31 <LeeF> zakim, next agendum
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, next agendum ←
14:50:31 <Zakim> agendum 5. "AOB?" taken up [from LeeF]
Zakim IRC Bot: agendum 5. "AOB?" taken up [from LeeF] ←
14:50:31 <ivan> :-)
Ivan Herman: :-) ←
14:50:41 <AxelPolleres> topic: AOB
14:51:14 <bglimm> bye
Birte Glimm: bye ←
14:51:14 <chimezie> good bye
Chimezie Ogbuji: good bye ←
14:51:17 <Zakim> -bglimm
Zakim IRC Bot: -bglimm ←
14:51:18 <ivan> zakim, drop me
Ivan Herman: zakim, drop me ←
14:51:18 <Zakim> Ivan is being disconnected
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan is being disconnected ←
14:51:18 <Zakim> -Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan ←
14:51:19 <pgearon> ciao
Paul Gearon: ciao ←
14:51:24 <Zakim> -kasei
Zakim IRC Bot: -kasei ←
14:51:26 <Zakim> -OlivierCorby
Zakim IRC Bot: -OlivierCorby ←
14:51:27 <Zakim> -Lee_Feigenbaum
Zakim IRC Bot: -Lee_Feigenbaum ←
14:51:32 <AxelPolleres> Lee: next week, we will finish WD's conversation and other issues arising on the mailinglist. adjourned.
Lee Feigenbaum: next week, we will finish WD's conversation and other issues arising on the mailinglist. adjourned. ←
14:51:35 <Zakim> -AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS ←
14:51:38 <Zakim> -pgearon
Zakim IRC Bot: -pgearon ←
14:51:47 <AxelPolleres> rrsagent, make records public
rrsagent, make records public ←
14:52:02 <AxelPolleres> regrets: Matthew Perry
14:52:45 <AxelPolleres> chair: Lee Feigenbaum
14:53:01 <AxelPolleres> rrsagent, make records public
rrsagent, make records public ←
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