SPARQL Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 05 January 2010

Seen
Alexandre Passant, Andy Seaborne, Axel Polleres, Birte Glimm, Chimezie Ogbuji, David Charboneau, Gregory Williams, Ivan Herman, Lee Feigenbaum, Luke Wilson-Mawer, Matthew Perry, Paul Gearon, Sandro Hawke, Souripriya Das, Steve Harris, Tommi Koivula
Regrets
Lee Feigenbaum, Paul Gearon
Scribe
Alexandre Passant
IRC Log
Original and Editable Wiki Version
Resolutions
  1. Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-12-22 link
  2. short name for property paths FPWD will be sparql11-property-paths link
Topics
15:01:11 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/01/05-sparql-irc

RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/01/05-sparql-irc

15:01:15 <AndyS> We do!

Andy Seaborne: We do!

15:01:22 <AxelPolleres> trackbot, start meeting -

Axel Polleres: trackbot, start meeting -

15:01:23 <AxelPolleres> regrets: LeeF, PaulG
15:01:24 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs world

15:01:26 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 77277

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be 77277

15:01:27 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
15:01:27 <trackbot> Date: 05 January 2010
15:01:30 <SteveH> Zakim, ??P4 is [Garlik]

Steve Harris: Zakim, ??P4 is [Garlik]

15:01:35 <Zakim> +??P18

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P18

15:01:40 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start now

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start now

15:01:42 <Zakim> I already had ??P4 as ??P4, SteveH

Zakim IRC Bot: I already had ??P4 as ??P4, SteveH

15:01:46 <SteveH> Zakim, [Garlik] has SteveH, LukeWM

Steve Harris: Zakim, [Garlik] has SteveH, LukeWM

15:01:54 <Zakim> sorry, SteveH, I do not recognize a party named '[Garlik]'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, SteveH, I do not recognize a party named '[Garlik]'

15:01:54 <MattPerry> zakim, ??P4 is me

Matthew Perry: zakim, ??P4 is me

15:01:58 <Zakim> I already had ??P4 as ??P4, MattPerry

Zakim IRC Bot: I already had ??P4 as ??P4, MattPerry

15:02:04 <Ivan Herman> zakim, dial ivan-voip

Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip

15:02:05 <MattPerry> sorry

Matthew Perry: sorry

15:02:05 <SteveH> MattPerry, ??P4 is us

Steve Harris: MattPerry, ??P4 is us

15:02:06 <Zakim> ok, Ivan Herman; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Ivan Herman; the call is being made

15:02:15 <MattPerry> zakim, ??P18 is me

Matthew Perry: zakim, ??P18 is me

15:02:17 <SteveH> ...I think

Steve Harris: ...I think

15:02:20 <Zakim> I already had ??P18 as ??P18, MattPerry

Zakim IRC Bot: I already had ??P18 as ??P18, MattPerry

15:02:42 <AxelPolleres> AxelPolleres has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2010-01-05

Axel Polleres: AxelPolleres has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2010-01-05

15:02:48 <SteveH> Zakim, ??P4 is temporarily [Garlik]

Steve Harris: Zakim, ??P4 is temporarily [Garlik]

15:02:52 <Zakim> I already had ??P4 as ??P4, SteveH

Zakim IRC Bot: I already had ??P4 as ??P4, SteveH

15:03:00 <SteveH> Zakim, P4 is [Garlik]

Steve Harris: Zakim, P4 is [Garlik]

15:03:02 <Zakim> sorry, SteveH, I do not recognize a party named 'P4'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, SteveH, I do not recognize a party named 'P4'

15:03:17 <sandro> zakim, who is talking?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is talking?

15:03:18 <Zakim> sorry, sandro, I don't know what conference this is

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, sandro, I don't know what conference this is

15:03:22 <AxelPolleres> hmmm, I have some echo...

Axel Polleres: hmmm, I have some echo...

15:03:27 <sandro> zakim, this is sparql

Sandro Hawke: zakim, this is sparql

15:03:32 <Zakim> ok, sandro; that matches SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, sandro; that matches SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM

15:03:32 <LukeWM> zakim, what's wrong with you?

Luke Wilson-Mawer: zakim, what's wrong with you?

15:03:34 <Zakim> +??P26

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P26

15:03:36 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, LukeWM.

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, LukeWM.

15:03:38 <sandro> zakim, who is talking?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is talking?

15:03:38 <AlexPassant> Zakim: ??P26 is me
15:03:42 <AlexPassant> Zakim, ??P26 is me

Alexandre Passant: Zakim, ??P26 is me

15:03:44 <Zakim> +AlexPassant; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +AlexPassant; got it

15:03:54 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?

Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone?

15:03:56 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Souri (29%), Axel (59%), Ivan Herman (11%)

Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Souri (29%), Axel (59%), Ivan Herman (11%)

15:04:01 <Zakim> On the phone I see dcharbon2, bglimm, kasei, AndyS, ??P18, Ivan Herman, Axel, Sandro, tkoivula, Souri, AlexPassant

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see dcharbon2, bglimm, kasei, AndyS, ??P18, Ivan Herman, Axel, Sandro, tkoivula, Souri, AlexPassant

15:04:04 <Zakim> +??P4

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P4

15:04:11 <sandro> What was wrong with Zakim was that no one had said "Zakim, this is sparql"

Sandro Hawke: What was wrong with Zakim was that no one had said "Zakim, this is sparql"

15:04:13 <SteveH> Zakim, ??P4 is [Garlik]

Steve Harris: Zakim, ??P4 is [Garlik]

15:04:13 <Zakim> +[Garlik]; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +[Garlik]; got it

15:04:19 <MattPerry> zakim, ??P18 is me

Matthew Perry: zakim, ??P18 is me

15:04:19 <Zakim> +MattPerry; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +MattPerry; got it

15:04:40 <LukeWM> Zakim, Garlik has LukeWM, SteveH

Luke Wilson-Mawer: Zakim, Garlik has LukeWM, SteveH

15:04:40 <Zakim> +LukeWM, SteveH; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +LukeWM, SteveH; got it

15:04:45 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?

Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone?

15:04:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see dcharbon2, bglimm, kasei, AndyS, MattPerry, Ivan Herman, Axel, Sandro, tkoivula, Souri, AlexPassant, [Garlik]

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see dcharbon2, bglimm, kasei, AndyS, MattPerry, Ivan Herman, Axel, Sandro, tkoivula, Souri, AlexPassant, [Garlik]

15:04:48 <Zakim> [Garlik] has LukeWM, SteveH

Zakim IRC Bot: [Garlik] has LukeWM, SteveH

15:05:01 <AlexPassant> ok

Alexandre Passant: ok

15:05:12 <AxelPolleres> scribe: Alex Passant

(Scribe set to Alexandre Passant)

15:05:24 <AxelPolleres> scribenick:AlexPassant
15:05:32 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2010-01-05

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2010-01-05

15:05:49 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: main goal is to check how far we are on the reviews

Axel Polleres: main goal is to check how far we are on the reviews

15:05:53 <AlexPassant> ... + discuss schedule

... + discuss schedule

15:05:58 <AlexPassant> topic: admin issues

1. admin issues

15:06:03 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-12-22

PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-12-22

15:06:14 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: minutes approval - any objections ?

Axel Polleres: minutes approval - any objections ?

15:06:21 <AlexPassant> ... minutes approved

... minutes approved

15:06:22 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-12-22

RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-12-22

15:06:38 <AlexPassant> ... next meeting next week

... next meeting next week

15:06:49 <chimezie> Zakim, passcode?

Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, passcode?

15:06:49 <Zakim> the conference code is 77277 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), chimezie

Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 77277 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), chimezie

15:06:50 <AlexPassant> ... dcharbon2 will scribe

... dcharbon2 will scribe

15:07:09 <AlexPassant> ... updates on comments ?

... updates on comments ?

15:07:09 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments any updates?

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments any updates?

15:07:19 <Zakim> +Chimezie_Ogbuji

Zakim IRC Bot: +Chimezie_Ogbuji

15:07:26 <AlexPassant> ... no updated

... no updated

15:07:29 <AxelPolleres> topic: liaisons

2. liaisons

15:07:32 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me

Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, mute me

15:07:32 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted

15:07:35 <AxelPolleres> no updates.

Axel Polleres: no updates.

15:07:47 <AlexPassant> topic: Document reviews

3. Document reviews

15:08:03 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me

15:08:03 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted

15:08:13 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: schedule: publish in 2 weeks max

Axel Polleres: schedule: publish in 2 weeks max

15:08:18 <AlexPassant> ... few reviews missing

... few reviews missing

15:08:31 <AlexPassant> ... kindly ask reviewers to review in the next few days

... kindly ask reviewers to review in the next few days

15:08:39 <AlexPassant> ... so that we can decide on publishing next week

... so that we can decide on publishing next week

15:09:01 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/

15:09:04 <AlexPassant> ... first: query document

... first: query document

15:09:18 <AlexPassant> ... several reviews from bglimm, Souri, AxelPolleres and MattPerry

... several reviews from bglimm, Souri, AxelPolleres and MattPerry

15:09:24 <AlexPassant> ... andy to summarize

... andy to summarize

15:09:36 <AlexPassant> AndyS: nothing outstanding on the query side

Andy Seaborne: nothing outstanding on the query side

15:09:47 <AlexPassant> ... if so, please remind

... if so, please remind

15:10:48 <AlexPassant> Souri: sent another e-mail with minor question

Souripriya Das: sent another e-mail with minor question

15:11:02 <AlexPassant> ... not a critical one

... not a critical one

15:11:34 <AlexPassant> ... reviewers should check if their comments have been addressed

... reviewers should check if their comments have been addressed

15:11:39 <bglimm> fine with me

Birte Glimm: fine with me

15:11:48 <AlexPassant> ... will not give separate actions to reviewers

... will not give separate actions to reviewers

15:12:13 <AxelPolleres> q?

Axel Polleres: q?

15:12:14 <AlexPassant> ... everyone is free to make some comments, but please keep the schedule in mind

... everyone is free to make some comments, but please keep the schedule in mind

15:12:37 <AlexPassant> ... next doc: Update

... next doc: Update

15:12:45 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.1/Overview.xml

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.1/Overview.xml

15:12:51 <AlexPassant> ... Paul sent regrets, difficult to discuss it today

... Paul sent regrets, difficult to discuss it today

15:12:59 <AlexPassant> ... quick look through the reviews sent so far

... quick look through the reviews sent so far

15:13:19 <AlexPassant> AndyS: comments not addressed so far

Andy Seaborne: comments not addressed so far

15:13:30 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: postpone discussion until Paul is back

Axel Polleres: postpone discussion until Paul is back

15:13:34 <Souri> Please replace 20100126 with 2010126 in http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/WD-sparql11-query-2010126/

Souripriya Das: Please replace 20100126 with 2010126 in http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/WD-sparql11-query-2010126/

15:14:09 <Souri> sorry the other way

Souripriya Das: sorry the other way

15:14:17 <AlexPassant> ... next: protocol

... next: protocol

15:14:18 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/protocol-1.1/

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/protocol-1.1/

15:14:45 <AlexPassant> dcharbon2: short update - hoping to get some feedback

David Charboneau: short update - hoping to get some feedback

15:15:27 <AlexPassant> ... mail not yet in the archives

... mail not yet in the archives

15:15:29 <AxelPolleres> i can't see your mail in the archives: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010JanMar/

Axel Polleres: i can't see your mail in the archives: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010JanMar/

15:15:32 <AlexPassant> ... sent about 1h ago

... sent about 1h ago

15:16:57 <AlexPassant> dcharbon2: should we update to WSDL2.0

David Charboneau: should we update to WSDL2.0

15:17:29 <sandro> 3 messages from dcharbon approved

Sandro Hawke: 3 messages from dcharbon approved

15:18:21 <AxelPolleres> q?

Axel Polleres: q?

15:19:07 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: did we agree on getting only HTTP POST for the update

Axel Polleres: did we agree on getting only HTTP POST for the update

15:19:15 <AlexPassant> AndyS: cannot do update with a GET by HTTP design

Andy Seaborne: cannot do update with a GET by HTTP design

15:19:42 <AxelPolleres> probably POST is the only reasonable way to do it.

Axel Polleres: probably POST is the only reasonable way to do it.

15:20:02 <AxelPolleres> ... true.

Axel Polleres: ... true.

15:20:23 <AlexPassant> dcharbon2: graphs do exit / vs do not exist when updating data

David Charboneau: graphs do exit / vs do not exist when updating data

15:20:32 <SteveH> under what circumstances are those errors?

Steve Harris: under what circumstances are those errors?

15:20:37 <AlexPassant> ... query gramatically correct but error when running it - suggestion to add a new error

... query gramatically correct but error when running it - suggestion to add a new error

15:20:40 <SteveH> don't we have an open issue about this?

Steve Harris: don't we have an open issue about this?

15:20:56 <AndyS> q+

Andy Seaborne: q+

15:21:04 <AlexPassant> ... ... should we have something more generic (e.g. semantic execution fault)

... ... should we have something more generic (e.g. semantic execution fault)

15:21:11 <AlexPassant> AndyS: how this maps down to HTTP

Andy Seaborne: how this maps down to HTTP

15:21:22 <AlexPassant> ... caring about the corresponding HTTP code

... caring about the corresponding HTTP code

15:22:11 <AxelPolleres> 5xx codes reflect that something went wrong.

Axel Polleres: 5xx codes reflect that something went wrong.

15:22:20 <SteveH> yes, 500 soundsw wrong to me

Steve Harris: yes, 500 soundsw wrong to me

15:22:27 <AlexPassant> dcharbon2: last question on the update doc

David Charboneau: last question on the update doc

15:22:42 <AlexPassant> ... protocol could be conformat by implementing only a subset of the interface

... protocol could be conformat by implementing only a subset of the interface

15:22:51 <AlexPassant> ... seems not to be the case with WSDL

... seems not to be the case with WSDL

15:23:17 <AndyS> ack me

Andy Seaborne: ack me

15:24:34 <AlexPassant> ... have to implement one or both to be compliant ?

... have to implement one or both to be compliant ?

15:26:05 <AxelPolleres> todo for dcharbon2: WSDL and types update, and pointers from the overview doc.

Axel Polleres: todo for dcharbon2: WSDL and types update, and pointers from the overview doc.

15:26:32 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: dcharbon2 send mail about readiness for review by tonight

ACTION: dcharbon2 send mail about readiness for review by tonight

15:26:32 <trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - dcharbon2

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - dcharbon2

15:26:32 <trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. dcharbon2, dnewman2)

Trackbot IRC Bot: Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. dcharbon2, dnewman2)

15:26:50 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: reviewers needed for protocol

Axel Polleres: reviewers needed for protocol

15:27:09 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: dcharbon2 send mail about readiness for review by tonight

ACTION: dcharbon2 send mail about readiness for review by tonight

15:27:10 <trackbot> Created ACTION-173 - Send mail about readiness for review by tonight [on David Charboneau - due 2010-01-12].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-173 - Send mail about readiness for review by tonight [on David Charboneau - due 2010-01-12].

15:27:29 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: axel to review protocol changes

ACTION: axel to review protocol changes

15:27:29 <trackbot> Created ACTION-174 - Review protocol changes [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-01-12].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-174 - Review protocol changes [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-01-12].

15:27:39 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, pick a victim

Axel Polleres: Zakim, pick a victim

15:27:39 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose [Garlik]

Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose [Garlik]

15:28:27 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Luke to review protocol changes

ACTION: Luke to review protocol changes

15:28:27 <trackbot> Created ACTION-175 - Review protocol changes [on Luke Wilson-Mawer - due 2010-01-12].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-175 - Review protocol changes [on Luke Wilson-Mawer - due 2010-01-12].

15:28:47 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/service-description-1.1/

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/service-description-1.1/

15:28:49 <AlexPassant> ... next document: Service Description

... next document: Service Description

15:30:03 <AlexPassant> kasei: before publication, would like to add a link to entailement profiles URIs

Gregory Williams: before publication, would like to add a link to entailement profiles URIs

15:30:11 <AlexPassant> ... get the RDF published for the vocab as well

... get the RDF published for the vocab as well

15:30:24 <AlexPassant> ... will check with Ivan / Sandro about the RDF

... will check with Ivan / Sandro about the RDF

15:30:26 <Ivan Herman> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

15:30:37 <AlexPassant> ... commited comments yesterday on future things (not for that draft)

... commited comments yesterday on future things (not for that draft)

15:30:53 <AlexPassant> ... just a few things to address before publishing

... just a few things to address before publishing

15:31:15 <AlexPassant> Ivan Herman: happy to publish the RDF

Ivan Herman: happy to publish the RDF

15:31:23 <AlexPassant> ... discussed RDFa version in the email

... discussed RDFa version in the email

15:31:37 <AlexPassant> ... can be postpone to a later stage

... can be postpone to a later stage

15:31:44 <AlexPassant> kasei: happy with RDF/XML at the moment

Gregory Williams: happy with RDF/XML at the moment

15:31:53 <AlexPassant> +1 on kasei

+1 on kasei

15:31:57 <AxelPolleres> +1 RDF/XML for the first version RDFa as an option for future

Axel Polleres: +1 RDF/XML for the first version RDFa as an option for future

15:32:51 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: greg to ensure RDF Schema gets published in time

ACTION: greg to ensure RDF Schema gets published in time

15:32:51 <trackbot> Created ACTION-176 - Ensure RDF Schema gets published in time [on Gregory Williams - due 2010-01-12].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-176 - Ensure RDF Schema gets published in time [on Gregory Williams - due 2010-01-12].

15:33:13 <AlexPassant> kasei: addressed the issues sent by reviewers

Gregory Williams: addressed the issues sent by reviewers

15:34:26 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/

15:34:36 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: next doc - RDF Update

Axel Polleres: next doc - RDF Update

15:34:41 <AlexPassant> ... reviews missing

... reviews missing

15:34:42 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me

Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, unmute me

15:34:42 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Chimezie_Ogbuji should no longer be muted

15:35:02 <AlexPassant> chimezie: standing review is AndyS' one

Chimezie Ogbuji: standing review is AndyS' one

15:35:08 <AlexPassant> ... issues look straightforward

... issues look straightforward

15:35:15 <AlexPassant> ... it not, email correspondance will help

... it not, email correspondance will help

15:35:23 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0673.html

Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0673.html

15:35:40 <AlexPassant> AndyS: issue around graph naming is problematic

Andy Seaborne: issue around graph naming is problematic

15:36:36 <AlexPassant> chimezie: need some interface to specify different URIs to update / delete a graph

Chimezie Ogbuji: need some interface to specify different URIs to update / delete a graph

15:36:56 <AlexPassant> ... several suggestions (query parameters)

... several suggestions (query parameters)

15:37:04 <Zakim> +Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro

15:37:06 <Zakim> -Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro

15:37:06 <AlexPassant> ... specify the semantics of the interface should address the problem

... specify the semantics of the interface should address the problem

15:37:18 <AlexPassant> ... can be addressed in the next round

... can be addressed in the next round

15:38:24 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to ping all editor's to reply to unresponded reviews.

ACTION: Axel to ping all editor's to reply to unresponded reviews.

15:38:24 <trackbot> Created ACTION-177 - Ping all editor's to reply to unresponded reviews. [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-01-12].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-177 - Ping all editor's to reply to unresponded reviews. [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-01-12].

15:38:28 <AlexPassant> ... can address most of the original comments / suggestions

... can address most of the original comments / suggestions

15:38:48 <AlexPassant> ... could produce a version that incorporate the comments by the next telecon

... could produce a version that incorporate the comments by the next telecon

15:39:00 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: should have the other reviews by then

Axel Polleres: should have the other reviews by then

15:39:08 <AlexPassant> ... discuss the last reviews next time

... discuss the last reviews next time

15:39:18 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me

Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, mute me

15:39:18 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted

15:39:24 <AlexPassant> ... next doc : property path document

... next doc : property path document

15:39:25 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/property-paths/Overview.xml

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/property-paths/Overview.xml

15:39:40 <AlexPassant> ... 2 open reviews

... 2 open reviews

15:40:28 <AlexPassant> AndyS: lots of comments (longer period of time)

Andy Seaborne: lots of comments (longer period of time)

15:40:33 <AlexPassant> ... now processed all of them

... now processed all of them

15:40:39 <Ivan Herman> I am fine

Ivan Herman: I am fine

15:40:40 <AlexPassant> ... if something is missing, please remind

... if something is missing, please remind

15:41:16 <Ivan Herman> I have checked and I am happy

Ivan Herman: I have checked and I am happy

15:41:20 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: reviewers should check if the comments have been addressed

Axel Polleres: reviewers should check if the comments have been addressed

15:41:27 <Ivan Herman> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

15:41:30 <AlexPassant> ... then decision on publication on next TC

... then decision on publication on next TC

15:43:37 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Matt to start an email thread about fregments of propertypaths that could be dealt with in SWL

ACTION: Matt to start an email thread about fregments of propertypaths that could be dealt with in SWL

15:43:37 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Matt

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - Matt

15:43:41 <AndyS> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/property-paths/Overview.xml#Outstanding_Issues

Andy Seaborne: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/property-paths/Overview.xml#Outstanding_Issues

15:44:06 <AxelPolleres> q?

Axel Polleres: q?

15:44:34 <AlexPassant> Ivan Herman: we may want to do a formal vote on the publishing to go on the request for the shortname

Ivan Herman: we may want to do a formal vote on the publishing to go on the request for the shortname

15:45:20 <AlexPassant> sandro: WG resolves the publishing, then do the short name decision

Sandro Hawke: WG resolves the publishing, then do the short name decision

15:45:24 <chimezie> i have to leave right now, unfortunately

Chimezie Ogbuji: i have to leave right now, unfortunately

15:45:30 <Zakim> -Chimezie_Ogbuji

Zakim IRC Bot: -Chimezie_Ogbuji

15:45:32 <AndyS> "sparql11-property-paths" is the natural short name, I think.

Andy Seaborne: "sparql11-property-paths" is the natural short name, I think.

15:45:47 <AxelPolleres> strawpoll on the name? sparql11-property-paths

Axel Polleres: strawpoll on the name? sparql11-property-paths

15:45:51 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: strawpoll on the shortname ?

Axel Polleres: strawpoll on the shortname ?

15:45:54 <SteveH> q+

Steve Harris: q+

15:45:59 <AlexPassant> ... anyone opposed on sparql11-property-paths ?

... anyone opposed on sparql11-property-paths ?

15:46:01 <Ivan Herman> ack Ivan Herman

Ivan Herman: ack Ivan Herman

15:46:11 <Ivan Herman> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

15:46:15 <AxelPolleres> q?

Axel Polleres: q?

15:46:19 <LukeWM> Isn't it just a feature of query?

Luke Wilson-Mawer: Isn't it just a feature of query?

15:46:47 <AlexPassant> sandro: is the sparql11 prefix in any shortname

Sandro Hawke: is the sparql11 prefix in any shortname

15:46:50 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: yes

Axel Polleres: yes

15:47:15 <Ivan Herman> q-

Ivan Herman: q-

15:47:18 <kasei> I was wondering the same thing as LukeWM.

Gregory Williams: I was wondering the same thing as LukeWM.

15:47:27 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: short name for property paths FPWD will be sparql11-property-paths

PROPOSED: short name for property paths FPWD will be sparql11-property-paths

15:47:32 <SteveH> q?

Steve Harris: q?

15:47:51 <AndyS> Luke, if time (;-) but I think it needs a name to publish this round separately as well.

Andy Seaborne: Luke, if time (;-) but I think it needs a name to publish this round separately as well.

15:48:02 <AlexPassant> SteveH: will it be a standalone doc or part of the query doc in the last call ?

Steve Harris: will it be a standalone doc or part of the query doc in the last call ?

15:48:15 <LukeWM> Ah, I see, so it can be merged across at the very end if required.

Luke Wilson-Mawer: Ah, I see, so it can be merged across at the very end if required.

15:48:23 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: can we include it later in the rec ?

Axel Polleres: can we include it later in the rec ?

15:48:30 <AlexPassant> Ivan Herman: correct

Ivan Herman: correct

15:48:54 <AxelPolleres> q?

Axel Polleres: q?

15:49:03 <SteveH> q-

Steve Harris: q-

15:49:20 <AlexPassant> sandro: different window for disclosure but shall not be a problem

Sandro Hawke: different window for disclosure but shall not be a problem

15:49:33 <SteveH> if it's going to be rolled into query11 it doesn't matter does it?

Steve Harris: if it's going to be rolled into query11 it doesn't matter does it?

15:49:38 <SteveH> which was why I asked

Steve Harris: which was why I asked

15:50:10 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: 2 options sparql11-paths / sparql11-property-paths

Axel Polleres: 2 options sparql11-paths / sparql11-property-paths

15:50:29 <AndyS> For incorporation, only prob I see is one of balance - the pp doc is relatively long for the size of feature compared to rest of feature set.

Andy Seaborne: For incorporation, only prob I see is one of balance - the pp doc is relatively long for the size of feature compared to rest of feature set.

15:50:34 <Zakim> -AlexPassant

Zakim IRC Bot: -AlexPassant

15:50:50 <SteveH> AndyS, I don't see that being a big issue, myself

Steve Harris: AndyS, I don't see that being a big issue, myself

15:50:59 <AxelPolleres> strawpoll on "property-" ?

Axel Polleres: strawpoll on "property-" ?

15:51:05 <Ivan Herman> +1 for property

Ivan Herman: +1 for property

15:51:06 <AxelPolleres> 0

Axel Polleres: 0

15:51:07 <LukeWM> 0

Luke Wilson-Mawer: 0

15:51:07 <SteveH> +1

Steve Harris: +1

15:51:11 <kasei> 0

Gregory Williams: 0

15:51:14 <tommik> 0

Tommi Koivula: 0

15:51:14 <bglimm> +1 for property

Birte Glimm: +1 for property

15:51:17 <AndyS> +1 to property

Andy Seaborne: +1 to property

15:51:23 <AxelPolleres> sandro: -1 to property

Sandro Hawke: -1 to property [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

15:51:29 <AlexPassant> +1

+1

15:51:36 <Zakim> +??P26

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P26

15:51:43 <AlexPassant> Zakim, ??P26 is me

Zakim, ??P26 is me

15:51:43 <Zakim> +AlexPassant; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +AlexPassant; got it

15:51:44 <LeeF> +1 to property-path

Lee Feigenbaum: +1 to property-path

15:51:49 <Ivan Herman> +1 for plural

Ivan Herman: +1 for plural

15:51:49 <AndyS> SteveH, agree - merely the bigg*est* issue I could think of.

Andy Seaborne: SteveH, agree - merely the bigg*est* issue I could think of.

15:51:51 <AndyS> +1 to plural

Andy Seaborne: +1 to plural

15:51:51 <SteveH> +1 to plural

Steve Harris: +1 to plural

15:51:56 <AlexPassant> +1 for plural

+1 for plural

15:52:00 <bglimm> +1 for paths (plural)

Birte Glimm: +1 for paths (plural)

15:52:03 <kasei> +1 for plural

Gregory Williams: +1 for plural

15:52:04 <AxelPolleres> strawpoll: plural yes/no? (paths)

STRAWPOLL: plural yes/no? (paths)

15:52:05 <SteveH> AndyS, ah, I see

Steve Harris: AndyS, ah, I see

15:52:07 <LukeWM> +1 for plural

Luke Wilson-Mawer: +1 for plural

15:52:11 <Souri> 0

Souripriya Das: 0

15:52:12 <LeeF> 0

Lee Feigenbaum: 0

15:52:12 <AxelPolleres> sandro: 0

Sandro Hawke: 0 [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

15:52:12 <MattPerry> +0

Matthew Perry: +0

15:52:13 <tommik> 0

Tommi Koivula: 0

15:52:14 <AxelPolleres> 0

Axel Polleres: 0

15:52:16 <dcharbon2> 0

David Charboneau: 0

15:52:44 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: property-paths seems to be the consensus

Axel Polleres: property-paths seems to be the consensus

15:52:51 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: short name for property paths FPWD will be sparql11-property-paths

PROPOSED: short name for property paths FPWD will be sparql11-property-paths

15:52:57 <Ivan Herman> +1

Ivan Herman: +1

15:53:08 <AndyS> Seconded

Andy Seaborne: Seconded

15:53:13 <bglimm> +1

Birte Glimm: +1

15:53:38 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: short name for property paths FPWD will be sparql11-property-paths

RESOLVED: short name for property paths FPWD will be sparql11-property-paths

15:53:59 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, unmute me

15:53:59 <Zakim> bglimm should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should no longer be muted

15:54:01 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: nothing more to add on property path ?

Axel Polleres: nothing more to add on property path ?

15:54:09 <AlexPassant> ... one document open: entailment

... one document open: entailment

15:54:09 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/entailment/xmlspec.xml

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/entailment/xmlspec.xml

15:54:19 <AlexPassant> bglimm: currently working through ivan's comment

Birte Glimm: currently working through ivan's comment

15:54:28 <AlexPassant> ... should be finished today so that ivan can have another look

... should be finished today so that ivan can have another look

15:55:31 <AxelPolleres> will try to look through OWL until tomorrow then.

Axel Polleres: will try to look through OWL until tomorrow then.

15:55:43 <AlexPassant> ... updated OWL direct semantics with changes that ivan suggested

... updated OWL direct semantics with changes that ivan suggested

15:55:57 <AndyS> q+

Andy Seaborne: q+

15:56:35 <AlexPassant> AndyS: trying to respond to every comment, what are the general expectations for comments

Andy Seaborne: trying to respond to every comment, what are the general expectations for comments

15:56:50 <AlexPassant> ... for the internal reviews

... for the internal reviews

15:57:02 <AlexPassant> ... so that nothing gets lost

... so that nothing gets lost

15:57:33 <Ivan Herman> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

15:57:37 <AndyS> ack me

Andy Seaborne: ack me

15:58:08 <AlexPassant> Ivan Herman: public comments coming in on the ML

Ivan Herman: public comments coming in on the ML

15:58:11 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments

15:58:25 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: should check the comments list if that's up to date + new comments coming

Axel Polleres: should check the comments list if that's up to date + new comments coming

15:58:36 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to check comments archives and add new comments if necessary

ACTION: Axel to check comments archives and add new comments if necessary

15:58:36 <trackbot> Created ACTION-178 - Check comments archives and add new comments if necessary [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-01-12].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-178 - Check comments archives and add new comments if necessary [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-01-12].

15:58:53 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: anybody can edit the page and pick-up open comments

Axel Polleres: anybody can edit the page and pick-up open comments

15:58:57 <AndyS> Are there any glaring late responses currently?

Andy Seaborne: Are there any glaring late responses currently?

15:59:08 <AlexPassant> ... should go through the comments next week if time permits

... should go through the comments next week if time permits

16:00:06 <AlexPassant> ... meeting ajourned

... meeting ajourned

16:00:10 <bglimm> bye

Birte Glimm: bye

16:00:13 <Zakim> -Souri

Zakim IRC Bot: -Souri

16:00:14 <Zakim> -Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro

16:00:15 <Zakim> -bglimm

Zakim IRC Bot: -bglimm

16:00:16 <Zakim> -dcharbon2

Zakim IRC Bot: -dcharbon2

16:00:16 <Zakim> -Ivan Herman

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan Herman

16:00:18 <Zakim> -tkoivula

Zakim IRC Bot: -tkoivula

16:00:19 <AxelPolleres> Alex, will you do the minutes magic?

Axel Polleres: Alex, will you do the minutes magic?

16:00:20 <Zakim> -[Garlik]

Zakim IRC Bot: -[Garlik]

16:00:22 <Zakim> -kasei

Zakim IRC Bot: -kasei

16:00:22 <Zakim> -MattPerry

Zakim IRC Bot: -MattPerry

16:00:32 <AlexPassant> yep, will try to recall how to do it

yep, will try to recall how to do it



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