SPARQL Working Group

Minutes of 13 October 2009

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Andy Seaborne, Axel Polleres, Birte Glimm, Chime Ogbuji, Greg Williams, Ivan Herman, Kjetil Kjernsmo, Lee Feigenbaum, Luke Wilson-Mawer, Simon Schenk, Steve Harris
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Resolutions

None.

Topics

RESOLVED: To give this round of SPARQL work its own name and name the components based on that, bglimm abstaining

RESOLVED: The current work be known as SPARQL 1.1 with the components being SPARQL 1.1 Query, SPARQL 1.1 Update, SPARQL 1.1 Protocol, etc.

RESOLVED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.0/ as FPWD under sparql11-update modulo Luke's approval of Simon's updates to text in section 4 and fixes to xml-spec issues, no abstentions or objections

RESOLVED: That the actual short name under which SPARQL 1.1 Query be published as FPWD is sparql11-query, no abstentions or objections

RESOLVED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/ as FPWD at sparql11-http-rdf-update modulo any xlm-spec issues and adding SPARQL 1.1 to title and cleaning up references, no abstentions or objections

RESOLVED: To publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/protocol-1.1/ as FPWD at sparql11-protocol modulo list of changes noted in SPARQL WG 2009-10-13 meeting and modulo Axel's approval, no abstentions or objections

RESOLVED: Publish http://kasei.us/2009/09/sparql/sd.txt as FPWD at sparql11-service-description moduloe putting in W3C format, no abstentions or objections

RESOLVED: To publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Design:EntailmentRegimes as FPWD at sparql11-entailment modulo putting it in W3C format, and removing details of regimes other than RDF and RDFS and removing Alternative Syntax and Extensions sections, no abstentions or objections

13:47:36 <AxelPolleres>  AOB: Does it make sense to discuss the entailment regime-URIs today?.... I ask because there would be a RIF call today, and, if I want to poke them, I should maybe start in that call (would need to leave early then...), cf. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0084.html

Axel Polleres: AOB: Does it make sense to discuss the entailment regime-URIs today?.... I ask because there would be a RIF call today, and, if I want to poke them, I should maybe start in that call (would need to leave early then...), cf. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0084.html

13:56:51 <AndyS>  There are several thing on the agenda that look like long and important.

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Andy Seaborne: There are several thing on the agenda that look like long and important.

13:59:51 <LukeWM>  zakim, where are you?

Luke Wilson-Mawer: zakim, where are you?

13:59:51 <Zakim>  I don't understand your question, LukeWM.

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, LukeWM.

14:00:03 <AndyS>  zakim, ??P?? is me

Andy Seaborne: zakim, ??P?? is me

14:00:03 <Zakim>  sorry, AndyS, I do not recognize a party named '??P??'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, AndyS, I do not recognize a party named '??P??'

14:00:18 <AndyS>  zakim, who is on the phone?

Andy Seaborne: zakim, who is on the phone?

14:00:18 <Zakim>  sorry, AndyS, I don't know what conference this is

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, AndyS, I don't know what conference this is

14:00:19 <Zakim>  On IRC I see bglimm, LukeWM, Zakim, AxelPolleres, AndyS, SimonS, LeeF, SteveH, ivanh, iv_an_ru, pgearon, KjetilK, kjetil, ericP, AlexPassant, kasei, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see bglimm, LukeWM, Zakim, AxelPolleres, AndyS, SimonS, LeeF, SteveH, ivanh, iv_an_ru, pgearon, KjetilK, kjetil, ericP, AlexPassant, kasei, trackbot

14:00:36 <AndyS>  zakim, this is sparql

Andy Seaborne: zakim, this is sparql

14:00:36 <Zakim>  ok, AndyS; that matches SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, AndyS; that matches SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM

14:00:39 <Zakim>  +bglimm

Zakim IRC Bot: +bglimm

14:00:44 <AndyS>  zakim, who is on the phone?

Andy Seaborne: zakim, who is on the phone?

14:00:45 <Zakim>  On the phone I see ??P24, kasei, +7.950.aaaa, bglimm

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ??P24, kasei, +7.950.aaaa, bglimm

14:00:52 <AndyS>  zakim, ??P24 is me

Andy Seaborne: zakim, ??P24 is me

14:00:52 <Zakim>  +AndyS; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it

14:00:52 <bglimm>  Zakim, mute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me

14:00:53 <Zakim>  bglimm should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted

14:01:06 <kasei>  Zakim, mute me

Greg Williams: Zakim, mute me

14:01:06 <Zakim>  kasei should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: kasei should now be muted

14:01:35 <Zakim>  +AxelPolleres

Zakim IRC Bot: +AxelPolleres

14:01:52 <ivanh>  zakim, dial ivanh-voip

Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivanh-voip

14:02:02 <Zakim>  ok, ivanh; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivanh; the call is being made

14:02:04 <Zakim>  +ivanh

Zakim IRC Bot: +ivanh

14:02:26 <Zakim>  +SimonS

Zakim IRC Bot: +SimonS

14:03:32 <LeeF>  hey, everyone

Lee Feigenbaum: hey, everyone

14:03:34 <LeeF>  sorry i'm late

Lee Feigenbaum: sorry i'm late

14:03:35 <LeeF>  dialing in now

Lee Feigenbaum: dialing in now

14:03:55 <AxelPolleres>  Agenda is here (with additions from andy): http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0136.html�

Axel Polleres: Agenda is here (with additions from andy): http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0136.html�

14:04:08 <LukeWM>  does anyone know how to make the ?? stuff appear on the phone?

Luke Wilson-Mawer: does anyone know how to make the ?? stuff appear on the phone?

14:04:26 <LeeF>  except zakim isn't working for me

Lee Feigenbaum: except zakim isn't working for me

14:04:32 <bglimm>  Lee, I cannot here you

Birte Glimm: Lee, I cannot here you

14:04:41 <LeeF>  Not on the phone yet, trying to connect

Lee Feigenbaum: Not on the phone yet, trying to connect

14:04:43 <AxelPolleres>  hmmm

Axel Polleres: hmmm

14:05:02 <LukeWM>  Zakim, who is on the phone?

Luke Wilson-Mawer: Zakim, who is on the phone?

14:05:02 <Zakim>  On the phone I see AndyS, kasei (muted), +7.950.aaaa, bglimm (muted), AxelPolleres, ivanh, SimonS

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see AndyS, kasei (muted), +7.950.aaaa, bglimm (muted), AxelPolleres, ivanh, SimonS

14:05:02 <bglimm>  ah

Birte Glimm: ah

14:05:04 <Zakim>  +LeeF

Zakim IRC Bot: +LeeF

14:05:06 <kasei>  LikeWM, "?? stuff"?

Greg Williams: LikeWM, "?? stuff"?

14:05:07 <bglimm>  yes

Birte Glimm: yes

14:05:48 <LukeWM>  kasei, the code that identifies us to zakim.  Is there something I can type into the phone keypad to make it appear on IRC?

Luke Wilson-Mawer: kasei, the code that identifies us to zakim. Is there something I can type into the phone keypad to make it appear on IRC?

14:05:57 <SteveH>  it's something like #41

Steve Harris: it's something like #41

14:06:00 <kasei>  41#, I think

Greg Williams: 41#, I think

14:06:16 <kasei>  hrmm

Greg Williams: hrmm

14:06:27 <AndyS>  Topic: Administation

Topic: Administation

14:06:34 <AndyS>  scribe:AndyS

Andy Seaborne: scribe:AndyS

14:06:44 <AndyS>  scribenick:AndyS

Andy Seaborne: scribenick:AndyS

14:07:05 <Zakim>  +Chimezie_Ogbuji

Zakim IRC Bot: +Chimezie_Ogbuji

14:07:08 <AndyS>  LeeF: for now, move admin to later

Andy Seaborne: LeeF: for now, move admin to later

14:07:26 <AndyS>  Topic: FPWD

Topic: FPWD

14:07:38 <AndyS>  Chair: LeeF

Andy Seaborne: Chair: LeeF

14:08:14 <bglimm>  Zakim, unmute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, unmute me

14:08:14 <Zakim>  bglimm should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should no longer be muted

14:08:18 <AndyS>  LeeF: W3C typical model for FPWD is to publish something on time, with issues, but no sense of complete

Andy Seaborne: LeeF: W3C typical model for FPWD is to publish something on time, with issues, but no sense of complete

14:08:24 <AndyS>  zakim, mute me

Andy Seaborne: zakim, mute me

14:08:24 <Zakim>  AndyS should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: AndyS should now be muted

14:08:42 <bglimm>  I still have no CVS access (can connect, but have no rights to see the relevant folder)

Birte Glimm: I still have no CVS access (can connect, but have no rights to see the relevant folder)

14:08:42 <AndyS>  ... good to publish in advance of ISWC

Andy Seaborne: ... good to publish in advance of ISWC

14:08:54 <AndyS>  ... one hour panel on SPARQL at ISWC

Andy Seaborne: ... one hour panel on SPARQL at ISWC

14:08:58 <bglimm>  Zakim, mute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me

14:08:58 <Zakim>  bglimm should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted

14:09:07 <AndyS>  ... so generate community interest

Andy Seaborne: ... so generate community interest

14:09:17 <AndyS>  ... publish as many docs as possible

Andy Seaborne: ... publish as many docs as possible

14:10:08 <AndyS>  ... the naming/versioing issue -- need to clarify.  Individual drafts numbered (agreed F2F)

Andy Seaborne: ... the naming/versioing issue -- need to clarify. Individual drafts numbered (agreed F2F)

14:10:23 <AndyS>  ... then a chair talked about SPARQL 2.0

Andy Seaborne: ... then a chair talked about SPARQL 2.0

14:10:54 <AndyS>  ... and the individual docs having different numbers has been shown to be confusing

Andy Seaborne: ... and the individual docs having different numbers has been shown to be confusing

14:11:27 <SteveH>  q+

Steve Harris: q+

14:11:43 <LeeF>  ack SteveH

Lee Feigenbaum: ack SteveH

14:11:43 <AndyS>  ... may get worse with future doc versions

Andy Seaborne: ... may get worse with future doc versions

14:12:04 <LeeF>  SteveH, are you talking?

Lee Feigenbaum: SteveH, are you talking?

14:12:07 <SteveH>  yes

Steve Harris: yes

14:12:08 <LeeF>  zakim, who's on the phone?

Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, who's on the phone?

14:12:08 <Zakim>  On the phone I see AndyS (muted), kasei (muted), +7.950.aaaa, bglimm (muted), AxelPolleres, ivanh, SimonS, LeeF, Chimezie_Ogbuji

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see AndyS (muted), kasei (muted), +7.950.aaaa, bglimm (muted), AxelPolleres, ivanh, SimonS, LeeF, Chimezie_Ogbuji

14:12:11 <SteveH>  Zakim, unmute me

Steve Harris: Zakim, unmute me

14:12:11 <Zakim>  sorry, SteveH, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, SteveH, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

14:12:15 <SteveH>  aaah

Steve Harris: aaah

14:12:37 <LukeWM>  zakim, who is speaking

Luke Wilson-Mawer: zakim, who is speaking

14:12:37 <Zakim>  I don't understand 'who is speaking', LukeWM

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is speaking', LukeWM

14:13:00 <AndyS>  SteveH: The multi-version thing is confusing - feedback from colleagues.

Andy Seaborne: SteveH: The multi-version thing is confusing - feedback from colleagues.

14:13:13 <AndyS>  ... one label for the whole package

Andy Seaborne: ... one label for the whole package

14:13:25 <LukeWM>  Zakim, who is talking

Luke Wilson-Mawer: Zakim, who is talking

14:13:25 <Zakim>  I don't understand 'who is talking', LukeWM

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is talking', LukeWM

14:13:40 <AndyS>  ... if SPARQL 2.0, then use that not doc versions.

Andy Seaborne: ... if SPARQL 2.0, then use that not doc versions.

14:13:40 <LukeWM>  Zakim, who is talking?

Luke Wilson-Mawer: Zakim, who is talking?

14:13:44 <SimonS>  +1 for SPARQL2010

Simon Schenk: +1 for SPARQL2010

14:13:50 <Zakim>  LukeWM, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +7.950.aaaa (14%), LeeF (42%)

Zakim IRC Bot: LukeWM, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +7.950.aaaa (14%), LeeF (42%)

14:13:52 <AndyS>  ... suggest SPARQL-2010 style

Andy Seaborne: ... suggest SPARQL-2010 style

14:14:05 <ivanh>  q+

Ivan Herman: q+

14:14:07 <AxelPolleres>  q+

Axel Polleres: q+

14:14:13 <AndyS>  zakim, unmute me

Andy Seaborne: zakim, unmute me

14:14:13 <Zakim>  AndyS was not muted, AndyS

Zakim IRC Bot: AndyS was not muted, AndyS

14:14:21 <AndyS>  ack AndyS

Andy Seaborne: ack AndyS

14:14:39 <LeeF>  ack ivanh

Lee Feigenbaum: ack ivanh

14:14:40 <AndyS>  zakim, mute me

Andy Seaborne: zakim, mute me

14:14:40 <Zakim>  AndyS should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: AndyS should now be muted

14:14:41 <LukeWM>  zakim, Garlik is 7.950.aaaa

Luke Wilson-Mawer: zakim, Garlik is 7.950.aaaa

14:14:41 <Zakim>  sorry, LukeWM, I do not recognize a party named 'Garlik'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, LukeWM, I do not recognize a party named 'Garlik'

14:14:51 <LeeF>  zakim, aaaa is Garlik

Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, aaaa is Garlik

14:14:51 <Zakim>  +Garlik; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Garlik; got it

14:15:02 <LukeWM>  thanks LeeF

Luke Wilson-Mawer: thanks LeeF

14:15:03 <LeeF>  zakim, Garlik has SteveH, LukeWM

Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, Garlik has SteveH, LukeWM

14:15:03 <Zakim>  +SteveH, LukeWM; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveH, LukeWM; got it

14:15:27 <SteveH>  +1 to ivanh

Steve Harris: +1 to ivanh

14:15:29 <AxelPolleres>  http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-05-06#resolution_3

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-05-06#resolution_3

14:15:32 <LeeF>  ack AxelPolleres

Lee Feigenbaum: ack AxelPolleres

14:15:36 <AndyS>  ivanh: no strong feelings but SPARQL-2.0 so SPARQL-2.0/Update

Andy Seaborne: ivanh: no strong feelings but SPARQL-2.0 so SPARQL-2.0/Update

14:16:16 <AndyS>  Axel: (reminder of discussion)

Andy Seaborne: Axel: (reminder of discussion)

14:16:54 <kasei>  does ivan's idea get weird if later on query is updated, and everything else without changes gets a version bump, too (so maybe update 1.1 == update 2.0)??

Greg Williams: does ivan's idea get weird if later on query is updated, and everything else without changes gets a version bump, too (so maybe update 1.1 == update 2.0)??

14:17:29 <kasei>  seems like it gets weird either way.

Greg Williams: seems like it gets weird either way.

14:17:34 <SteveH>  that's why I prefer years

Steve Harris: that's why I prefer years

14:17:38 <ivanh>  q+

Ivan Herman: q+

14:17:53 <SteveH>  heh

Steve Harris: heh

14:17:55 <LeeF>  ack ivan

Lee Feigenbaum: ack ivan

14:18:21 <AndyS>  ivanh: if touch one, touch everything in practice so can happen but less likely

Andy Seaborne: ivanh: if touch one, touch everything in practice so can happen but less likely

14:18:32 <AndyS>  ... breaks the W3C style.

Andy Seaborne: ... breaks the W3C style.

14:18:41 <AndyS>  ... not been done before

Andy Seaborne: ... not been done before

14:18:47 <AndyS>  zakim, unmute me

Andy Seaborne: zakim, unmute me

14:18:47 <Zakim>  AndyS should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: AndyS should no longer be muted

14:19:03 <AxelPolleres>  What speaks against going uniformly with 1.1 (looks like a compromise)?

Axel Polleres: What speaks against going uniformly with 1.1 (looks like a compromise)?

14:19:31 <AndyS>  ivanh: XML was special -- other specs have used version by number OK

Andy Seaborne: ivanh: XML was special -- other specs have used version by number OK

14:19:41 <ivanh>  s/XML/XHTML/

Ivan Herman: s/XML/XHTML/

14:20:10 <AxelPolleres>  SPARQL1.1/Query SPARQL1.1/Update ... instead of SPARQL/Query 1.1 SPARQL/Update 1.0, etc.

Axel Polleres: SPARQL1.1/Query SPARQL1.1/Update ... instead of SPARQL/Query 1.1 SPARQL/Update 1.0, etc.

14:20:10 <AndyS>  LeeF: propose SPARQL-X/Query etc

Andy Seaborne: LeeF: propose SPARQL-X/Query etc

14:20:17 <SteveH>  +1

Steve Harris: +1

14:20:19 <LeeF>  PROPOSED: To give this round of SPARQL work its own name and name the components based on that

Lee Feigenbaum: PROPOSED: To give this round of SPARQL work its own name and name the components based on that

14:20:20 <ivanh>  +1

Ivan Herman: +1

14:20:28 <chimezie>  +1

Chime Ogbuji: +1

14:20:28 <kasei>  +1

Greg Williams: +1

14:20:29 <SimonS>  +1

Simon Schenk: +1

14:20:34 <bglimm>  0

Birte Glimm: 0

14:20:41 <bglimm>  yes

Birte Glimm: yes

14:20:41 <AxelPolleres>  +1 (if promised we stick with that ;-) )

Axel Polleres: +1 (if promised we stick with that ;-) )

14:20:47 <LeeF>  RESOLVED: To give this round of SPARQL work its own name and name the components based on that, bglimm abstaining

Lee Feigenbaum: RESOLVED: To give this round of SPARQL work its own name and name the components based on that, bglimm abstaining

14:20:48 <bglimm>  I have no strong opinion on any

Birte Glimm: I have no strong opinion on any

14:20:58 <LeeF>  What is X?

Lee Feigenbaum: What is X?

14:20:59 <LeeF>  1.1

Lee Feigenbaum: 1.1

14:21:00 <LeeF>  2.0

Lee Feigenbaum: 2.0

14:21:01 <LeeF>  2

Lee Feigenbaum: 2

14:21:04 <LeeF>  2010

Lee Feigenbaum: 2010

14:21:41 <AndyS>  zakim, unmute me

Andy Seaborne: zakim, unmute me

14:21:41 <Zakim>  AndyS was not muted, AndyS

Zakim IRC Bot: AndyS was not muted, AndyS

14:21:44 <AndyS>  q+

Andy Seaborne: q+

14:21:48 <LeeF>  ack AndyS

Lee Feigenbaum: ack AndyS

14:22:25 <AndyS>  AndyS: SPARQL-2012 and publish early

Andy Seaborne: AndyS: SPARQL-2012 and publish early

14:22:44 <AndyS>  pref for 2 not 2.0

Andy Seaborne: pref for 2 not 2.0

14:22:46 <SteveH>  q+

Steve Harris: q+

14:22:50 <LeeF>  ack SteveH

Lee Feigenbaum: ack SteveH

14:23:08 <SimonS>  q+

Simon Schenk: q+

14:24:04 <AndyS>  ivan: cautious about 2010 style

Andy Seaborne: ivan: cautious about 2010 style

14:24:09 <LeeF>  ack SimonS

Lee Feigenbaum: ack SimonS

14:24:23 <KjetilK>  Zakim, what is the code?

Kjetil Kjernsmo: Zakim, what is the code?

14:24:23 <Zakim>  the conference code is 77277 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), KjetilK

Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 77277 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), KjetilK

14:24:32 <Zakim>  +??P2

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P2

14:24:39 <KjetilK>  Zakim, ??P2 is me

Kjetil Kjernsmo: Zakim, ??P2 is me

14:24:39 <Zakim>  +KjetilK; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +KjetilK; got it

14:24:39 <AxelPolleres>  q+

Axel Polleres: q+

14:24:46 <LeeF>  acl AxelPolleres

Lee Feigenbaum: acl AxelPolleres

14:24:49 <LeeF>  ack AxelPolleres

Lee Feigenbaum: ack AxelPolleres

14:25:30 <KjetilK>  Zakim, mute me

Kjetil Kjernsmo: Zakim, mute me

14:25:30 <Zakim>  KjetilK should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: KjetilK should now be muted

14:25:43 <AndyS>  strawpoll

Andy Seaborne: strawpoll

14:26:02 <LeeF>  straw poll: SPARQL 1.1

Lee Feigenbaum: straw poll: SPARQL 1.1

14:26:04 <kasei>  +1

Greg Williams: +1

14:26:05 <AxelPolleres>  +1

Axel Polleres: +1

14:26:05 <bglimm>  0

Birte Glimm: 0

14:26:07 <SteveH>  0

Steve Harris: 0

14:26:07 <KjetilK>  +1

Kjetil Kjernsmo: +1

14:26:07 <ivanh>  +1

Ivan Herman: +1

14:26:08 <AndyS>  +0

Andy Seaborne: +0

14:26:09 <LeeF>  0

Lee Feigenbaum: 0

14:26:13 <chimezie>  +1

Chime Ogbuji: +1

14:26:13 <SimonS>  +1

Simon Schenk: +1

14:26:14 <LukeWM>  0

Luke Wilson-Mawer: 0

14:26:25 <LeeF>  1.1 - 6 +1s

Lee Feigenbaum: 1.1 - 6 +1s

14:26:41 <LeeF>  straw poll: SPARQL 2 (or 2.0)

Lee Feigenbaum: straw poll: SPARQL 2 (or 2.0)

14:26:44 <SteveH>  -1

Steve Harris: -1

14:26:45 <bglimm>  0

Birte Glimm: 0

14:26:50 <kasei>  -1

Greg Williams: -1

14:26:50 <KjetilK>  0

Kjetil Kjernsmo: 0

14:26:50 <AxelPolleres>  0

Axel Polleres: 0

14:26:50 <ivanh>  1

Ivan Herman: 1

14:26:51 <SimonS>  -1

Simon Schenk: -1

14:26:51 <LeeF>  +1

Lee Feigenbaum: +1

14:26:52 <AndyS>  +1 (pref 2)

Andy Seaborne: +1 (pref 2)

14:26:52 <LukeWM>  0

Luke Wilson-Mawer: 0

14:26:53 <chimezie>  0

Chime Ogbuji: 0

14:27:05 <LeeF>  less support for 2/2.0 then for 1.1

Lee Feigenbaum: less support for 2/2.0 then for 1.1

14:27:09 <LeeF>  straw poll: SPARQL 2010

Lee Feigenbaum: straw poll: SPARQL 2010

14:27:11 <SteveH>  +1

Steve Harris: +1

14:27:12 <kasei>  +1

Greg Williams: +1

14:27:12 <ivanh>  -1

Ivan Herman: -1

14:27:13 <bglimm>  0

Birte Glimm: 0

14:27:13 <KjetilK>  -1

Kjetil Kjernsmo: -1

14:27:13 <LeeF>  +1

Lee Feigenbaum: +1

14:27:14 <SimonS>  +1

Simon Schenk: +1

14:27:14 <chimezie>  0

Chime Ogbuji: 0

14:27:15 <LukeWM>  0

Luke Wilson-Mawer: 0

14:27:15 <AndyS>  0

Andy Seaborne: 0

14:27:19 <AxelPolleres>  -1

Axel Polleres: -1

14:27:50 <LeeF>  PROPOSED: The current work be known as SPARQL 1.1 with the components being SPARQL 1.1 Query, SPARQL 1.1 Update, SPARQL 1.1 Protocol, etc.

Lee Feigenbaum: PROPOSED: The current work be known as SPARQL 1.1 with the components being SPARQL 1.1 Query, SPARQL 1.1 Update, SPARQL 1.1 Protocol, etc.

14:27:58 <SteveH>  seconded

Steve Harris: seconded

14:28:03 <ivanh>  +1

Ivan Herman: +1

14:28:15 <AxelPolleres>  +1

Axel Polleres: +1

14:28:17 <bglimm>  +1

Birte Glimm: +1

14:28:18 <LeeF>  RESOLVED: The current work be known as SPARQL 1.1 with the components being SPARQL 1.1 Query, SPARQL 1.1 Update, SPARQL 1.1 Protocol, etc.

Lee Feigenbaum: RESOLVED: The current work be known as SPARQL 1.1 with the components being SPARQL 1.1 Query, SPARQL 1.1 Update, SPARQL 1.1 Protocol, etc.

14:28:23 <AndyS>  action: andy and steve: update the query document for SPARQL 1.1 (Query) before FPWD

Andy Seaborne: action: andy and steve: update the query document for SPARQL 1.1 (Query) before FPWD

14:28:23 <trackbot>  Created ACTION-119 - And steve: update the query document for SPARQL 1.1 (Query) before FPWD [on Andy Seaborne - due 2009-10-20].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-119 - And steve: update the query document for SPARQL 1.1 (Query) before FPWD [on Andy Seaborne - due 2009-10-20].

14:28:26 <LeeF>  ACTION: Lee to fix his slides

Lee Feigenbaum: ACTION: Lee to fix his slides

14:28:29 <trackbot>  Created ACTION-120 - Fix his slides [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2009-10-20].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-120 - Fix his slides [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2009-10-20].

14:28:45 <AxelPolleres>  q+

Axel Polleres: q+

14:28:47 <SteveH>  Query is already 1.1

Steve Harris: Query is already 1.1

14:28:55 <LeeF>  ACTION: Eric and Lee to make sure FPWD documents reflect SPARQL 1.1 X style naming

Lee Feigenbaum: ACTION: Eric and Lee to make sure FPWD documents reflect SPARQL 1.1 X style naming

14:28:55 <trackbot>  Created ACTION-121 - And Lee to make sure FPWD documents reflect SPARQL 1.1 X style naming [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2009-10-20].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-121 - And Lee to make sure FPWD documents reflect SPARQL 1.1 X style naming [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2009-10-20].

14:28:59 <AndyS>  but written wrongly

Andy Seaborne: but written wrongly

14:29:02 <SteveH>  ah, ok

Steve Harris: ah, ok

14:29:04 <chimezie>  what about drafts that don't reference SPARQL __? is a change neccessary?

Chime Ogbuji: what about drafts that don't reference SPARQL __? is a change neccessary?

14:29:45 <AndyS>  zakim, unmute me

Andy Seaborne: zakim, unmute me

14:29:45 <Zakim>  AndyS was not muted, AndyS

Zakim IRC Bot: AndyS was not muted, AndyS

14:29:47 <AndyS>  q+

Andy Seaborne: q+

14:30:22 <SteveH>  +1 to ivan

Steve Harris: +1 to ivan

14:30:27 <SteveH>  it has mappings to the update language

Steve Harris: it has mappings to the update language

14:30:40 <AxelPolleres>  q-

Axel Polleres: q-

14:31:03 <LeeF>  ack AndyS

Lee Feigenbaum: ack AndyS

14:31:25 <AndyS>  AndyS: the relationship to naming is SPARQL

Andy Seaborne: AndyS: the relationship to naming is SPARQL

14:31:56 <AndyS>  chimezie: title already problematic: otherwise mostly neutral

Andy Seaborne: chimezie: title already problematic: otherwise mostly neutral

14:31:58 <chimezie>  i will concurr

Chime Ogbuji: i will concurr

14:31:59 <AxelPolleres>  short names, some proposals: http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-query/ vs. http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql1.1-query/ vs. http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql-1.1-query/ etc. so... there are a couple of options

Axel Polleres: short names, some proposals: http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-query/ vs. http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql1.1-query/ vs. http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql-1.1-query/ etc. so... there are a couple of options

14:32:16 <AndyS>  W3C is usually 11 isn't it?

Andy Seaborne: W3C is usually 11 isn't it?

14:32:22 <ivanh>  AndyS: yes

Ivan Herman: AndyS: yes

14:32:32 <LeeF>  sparql11-query

Lee Feigenbaum: sparql11-query

14:32:35 <LeeF>  sparql11-update

Lee Feigenbaum: sparql11-update

14:32:38 <LeeF>  sparql11-protocol

Lee Feigenbaum: sparql11-protocol

14:32:43 <LeeF>  sparql11-service-description

Lee Feigenbaum: sparql11-service-description

14:32:50 <ivanh>  sparql11-entailement ?

Ivan Herman: sparql11-entailement ?

14:32:52 <AndyS>  yuk -> ell-one-one

Andy Seaborne: yuk -> ell-one-one

14:32:56 <LeeF>  sparql11-rdf-http-update

Lee Feigenbaum: sparql11-rdf-http-update

14:32:57 <AndyS>  but oh well

Andy Seaborne: but oh well

14:33:45 <AxelPolleres>  e.g. http://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema11-2/

Axel Polleres: e.g. http://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema11-2/

14:33:58 <AndyS>  ivanh: will check what other groups have done

Andy Seaborne: ivanh: will check what other groups have done

14:33:59 <SteveH>  e.g. http://www.w3.org/TR/xml11/

Steve Harris: e.g. http://www.w3.org/TR/xml11/

14:34:10 <AxelPolleres>  http://www.w3.org/TR/xml11/

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/TR/xml11/

14:34:32 <AndyS>  Leef: short name style sparql11-xyz

Andy Seaborne: Leef: short name style sparql11-xyz

14:34:37 <bglimm>  owl2-profiles, owl2-syntax, etc it is for OWL

Birte Glimm: owl2-profiles, owl2-syntax, etc it is for OWL

14:35:03 <ivanh>  AndyS: yes, pretty much

Ivan Herman: AndyS: yes, pretty much

14:35:11 <AndyS>  Topic: Status of documents

Topic: Status of documents

14:35:55 <LeeF>  subtopic: SPARQL 1.1 Update

SPARQL 1.1 Update

14:35:57 <LeeF>  http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.0/

Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.0/

14:36:12 <AxelPolleres>  q+ to point to formalty about query.... http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-10-06#resolution_3

Axel Polleres: q+ to point to formalty about query.... http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-10-06#resolution_3

14:36:16 <SteveH>  q+

Steve Harris: q+

14:36:25 <LeeF>  ack SteveH

Lee Feigenbaum: ack SteveH

14:36:44 <AndyS>  SteveH: current form - some contradictions and may confuse.

Andy Seaborne: SteveH: current form - some contradictions and may confuse.

14:37:38 <AxelPolleres>  q-

Axel Polleres: q-

14:37:50 <Zakim>  +Prateek

Zakim IRC Bot: +Prateek

14:37:54 <SimonS>  http://www.w3.org/mid/BD315460-58A8-46BF-8324-FB5D057715A3@garlik.com

Simon Schenk: http://www.w3.org/mid/BD315460-58A8-46BF-8324-FB5D057715A3@garlik.com

14:37:59 <LeeF>  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0041.html

Lee Feigenbaum: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0041.html

14:39:14 <SimonS>  q+

Simon Schenk: q+

14:39:34 <LeeF>  ack SimonS

Lee Feigenbaum: ack SimonS

14:39:56 <AndyS>  SteveH: issues not agreed on are not called out (e.g. issue-20)

Andy Seaborne: SteveH: issues not agreed on are not called out (e.g. ISSUE-20)

14:40:40 <AndyS>  SimonS: not a contradiction as such - having trouble getting to W3C to do edits

Andy Seaborne: SimonS: not a contradiction as such - having trouble getting to W3C to do edits

14:42:12 <AndyS>  LeeF: better to publish than polish - if we can identify the areas for issues to be called out as unresolved

Andy Seaborne: LeeF: better to publish than polish - if we can identify the areas for issues to be called out as unresolved

14:42:21 <AndyS>  SimonS: many changes

Andy Seaborne: SimonS: many changes

14:42:40 <AndyS>  ... reorder the doc to follows current SPARQL spec

Andy Seaborne: ... reorder the doc to follows current SPARQL spec

14:42:58 <AndyS>  ... separate issues renamed to features in query

Andy Seaborne: ... separate issues renamed to features in query

14:43:07 <AndyS>  ... inline issues

Andy Seaborne: ... inline issues

14:43:14 <AndyS>  ... grammar from common grammar

Andy Seaborne: ... grammar from common grammar

14:43:20 <SteveH>  calls out to issues are good, thanks SimonS

Steve Harris: calls out to issues are good, thanks SimonS

14:44:54 <AndyS>  (Could the grammar changes be logged so I can test them)

Andy Seaborne: (Could the grammar changes be logged so I can test them)

14:46:01 <AndyS>  LeeF; all decisions modulo XSLT issues

Andy Seaborne: LeeF; all decisions modulo XSLT issues

14:46:14 <AndyS>  LeeF: all decisions modulo XSLT issues

Andy Seaborne: LeeF: all decisions modulo XSLT issues

14:46:37 <AndyS>  ... no red stuff from xmlspec/XSLT processing

Andy Seaborne: ... no red stuff from xmlspec/XSLT processing

14:46:52 <AndyS>  ... will roll changes back to editors docs

Andy Seaborne: ... will roll changes back to editors docs

14:47:44 <AxelPolleres>  q+

Axel Polleres: q+

14:48:45 <LukeWM>  I'm happy to do a review

Luke Wilson-Mawer: I'm happy to do a review

14:50:03 <LeeF>  PROPOSED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.0/ as FPWD under sparql11-update modulo Luke's approval of Simon's updates to text in section 4 and fixes to xml-spec issues

Lee Feigenbaum: PROPOSED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.0/ as FPWD under sparql11-update modulo Luke's approval of Simon's updates to text in section 4 and fixes to xml-spec issues

14:50:11 <SteveH>  seconded

Steve Harris: seconded

14:50:18 <ivanh>  +1

Ivan Herman: +1

14:50:25 <bglimm>  +1

Birte Glimm: +1

14:50:29 <AxelPolleres>  +1 (DERI)

Axel Polleres: +1 (DERI)

14:50:55 <AndyS>  +1 (HP)

Andy Seaborne: +1 (HP)

14:50:59 <LeeF>  RESOLVED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.0/ as FPWD under sparql11-update modulo Luke's approval of Simon's updates to text in section 4 and fixes to xml-spec issues, no abstentions or objections

Lee Feigenbaum: RESOLVED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.0/ as FPWD under sparql11-update modulo Luke's approval of Simon's updates to text in section 4 and fixes to xml-spec issues, no abstentions or objections

14:51:05 <AxelPolleres>  q+ to ask about formality wrt query

Axel Polleres: q+ to ask about formality wrt query

14:51:19 <AndyS>  subtopic: SPARQL/update protocol

SPARQL/update protocol

14:51:47 <AndyS>  subtopic: SPARQL/Query

SPARQL/Query

14:51:52 <LeeF>  PROPOSED: That the actual short name under which SPARQL 1.1 Query be published as FPWD is sparql11-query

Lee Feigenbaum: PROPOSED: That the actual short name under which SPARQL 1.1 Query be published as FPWD is sparql11-query

14:51:56 <ivanh>  +1

Ivan Herman: +1

14:51:59 <bglimm>  +1

Birte Glimm: +1

14:51:59 <AndyS>  seconded

Andy Seaborne: seconded

14:52:02 <AxelPolleres>  as an amendment to resolution http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-10-06#resolution_3

Axel Polleres: as an amendment to resolution http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-10-06#resolution_3

14:52:05 <AxelPolleres>  +1

Axel Polleres: +1

14:52:12 <LeeF>  RESOLVED: That the actual short name under which SPARQL 1.1 Query be published as FPWD is sparql11-query, no abstentions or objections

Lee Feigenbaum: RESOLVED: That the actual short name under which SPARQL 1.1 Query be published as FPWD is sparql11-query, no abstentions or objections

14:52:16 <LeeF>  ack AxelPolleres

Lee Feigenbaum: ack AxelPolleres

14:52:16 <Zakim>  AxelPolleres, you wanted to ask about formality wrt query

Zakim IRC Bot: AxelPolleres, you wanted to ask about formality wrt query

14:52:22 <LeeF>  http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/

Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/

14:52:26 <AndyS>  subtopic: SPARQL/update http protocol

SPARQL/update http protocol

14:52:54 <AndyS>  chimezie: has addressed comments as best he can - issues highlighted

Andy Seaborne: chimezie: has addressed comments as best he can - issues highlighted

14:53:18 <KjetilK>  q+

Kjetil Kjernsmo: q+

14:53:26 <AndyS>  I'm happy to publish as is.

Andy Seaborne: I'm happy to publish as is.

14:53:30 <SteveH>  I'm happy

Steve Harris: I'm happy

14:53:35 <LeeF>  ack kjetil

Lee Feigenbaum: ack kjetil

14:54:14 <AndyS>  KjetilK: good enough for FPWD - but pref chnage "RDF knowledge" terminology

Andy Seaborne: KjetilK: good enough for FPWD - but pref chnage "RDF knowledge" terminology

14:54:46 <AndyS>  LeeF: suggestions for different name?

Andy Seaborne: LeeF: suggestions for different name?

14:55:19 <AndyS>  KjetilK: (unclear to scribe)

Andy Seaborne: KjetilK: (unclear to scribe)

14:55:26 <LeeF>  kjetil: maybe "graph information resource"?

Lee Feigenbaum: kjetil: maybe "graph information resource"?

14:57:12 <AndyS>  LeeF: terminology can change in later drafts.  Flag an issue

Andy Seaborne: LeeF: terminology can change in later drafts. Flag an issue

14:57:20 <AndyS>  ... flag an issue for now

Andy Seaborne: ... flag an issue for now

14:57:42 <LeeF>  ISSUE: Suitability of term "networked RDF knowledge"

Lee Feigenbaum: ISSUE: Suitability of term "networked RDF knowledge"

14:57:42 <trackbot>  Created ISSUE-44 - Suitability of term "networked RDF knowledge" ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/44/edit .

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ISSUE-44 - Suitability of term "networked RDF knowledge" ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/44/edit .

14:58:09 <LeeF>  sparql11-rdf-http-update ?

Lee Feigenbaum: sparql11-rdf-http-update ?

14:59:18 <KjetilK>  sparql11-http-update ?

Kjetil Kjernsmo: sparql11-http-update ?

14:59:26 <KjetilK>  isn't that enough?

Kjetil Kjernsmo: isn't that enough?

14:59:28 <AndyS>  with rdf

Andy Seaborne: with rdf

14:59:41 <AndyS>  (not strong)

Andy Seaborne: (not strong)

15:00:07 <LeeF>  PROPOSED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/ as sparql11-http-rdf-update modulo any xlm-spec issues

Lee Feigenbaum: PROPOSED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/ as sparql11-http-rdf-update modulo any xlm-spec issues

15:00:10 <ivanh>  q+

Ivan Herman: q+

15:01:00 <LeeF>  PROPOSED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/ as FPWD at sparql11-http-rdf-update modulo any xlm-spec issues and adding SPARQL 1.1 to title and cleaning up references

Lee Feigenbaum: PROPOSED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/ as FPWD at sparql11-http-rdf-update modulo any xlm-spec issues and adding SPARQL 1.1 to title and cleaning up references

15:01:01 <ivanh>  ack ivan

Ivan Herman: ack ivan

15:01:12 <ivanh>  +1

Ivan Herman: +1

15:01:13 <bglimm>  +1

Birte Glimm: +1

15:01:25 <KjetilK>  +1

Kjetil Kjernsmo: +1

15:01:28 <LeeF>  RESOLVED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/ as FPWD at sparql11-http-rdf-update modulo any xlm-spec issues and adding SPARQL 1.1 to title and cleaning up references, no abstentions or objections

Lee Feigenbaum: RESOLVED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/ as FPWD at sparql11-http-rdf-update modulo any xlm-spec issues and adding SPARQL 1.1 to title and cleaning up references, no abstentions or objections

15:01:30 <AxelPolleres>  +1 (DERI)

Axel Polleres: +1 (DERI)

15:01:48 <AndyS>  subtopic: SPARQL/protocol

SPARQL/protocol

15:02:01 <LeeF>  http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/protocol-1.1/

Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/protocol-1.1/

15:02:02 <bglimm>  what is the URL for that?

Birte Glimm: what is the URL for that?

15:02:05 <bglimm>  thanks

Birte Glimm: thanks

15:02:22 <Zakim>  -Chimezie_Ogbuji

Zakim IRC Bot: -Chimezie_Ogbuji

15:02:49 <AndyS>  LeeF: overall structure OK - need heading for update (language by POST) examples

Andy Seaborne: LeeF: overall structure OK - need heading for update (language by POST) examples

15:03:04 <bglimm>  and it as XML errors

Birte Glimm: and it as XML errors

15:03:36 <bglimm>  s/as/has/

Birte Glimm: s/as/has/

15:04:02 <AndyS>  <triple-pattern> ?

Andy Seaborne: <triple-pattern> ?

15:04:31 <AxelPolleres>  q+

Axel Polleres: q+

15:04:35 <LeeF>  ack AxelPolleres

Lee Feigenbaum: ack AxelPolleres

15:04:37 <AndyS>  q+

Andy Seaborne: q+

15:05:07 <KjetilK>  Zakim, mute me

Kjetil Kjernsmo: Zakim, mute me

15:05:09 <Zakim>  KjetilK should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: KjetilK should now be muted

15:05:12 <LeeF>  AxelPolleres: include short change log of what's changed since SPARQL Protocol REC

Lee Feigenbaum: AxelPolleres: include short change log of what's changed since SPARQL Protocol REC

15:06:37 <AndyS>  LeeF: 2.2.1.13 - flag for removal

Andy Seaborne: LeeF: 2.2.1.13 - flag for removal

15:06:39 <LeeF>  + flag XML input example for removal

Lee Feigenbaum: + flag XML input example for removal

15:06:44 <LeeF>  + add placeholder for update examples

Lee Feigenbaum: + add placeholder for update examples

15:06:49 <LeeF>  + change log from REC

Lee Feigenbaum: + change log from REC

15:06:53 <LeeF>  + xml-spec issues

Lee Feigenbaum: + xml-spec issues

15:07:04 <LeeF>  + previous editors

Lee Feigenbaum: + previous editors

15:07:24 <AndyS>  AndyS: didn't notice 2.2.1.13 (SPARQL/X usage) last time

Andy Seaborne: AndyS: didn't notice 2.2.1.13 (SPARQL/X usage) last time

15:10:41 <LeeF>  + clarify text at beginning of section 2 to summarize what the protocol is all about (queries over HTTP GET and POST, updates over HTTP POST)

Lee Feigenbaum: + clarify text at beginning of section 2 to summarize what the protocol is all about (queries over HTTP GET and POST, updates over HTTP POST)

15:12:25 <LeeF>  PROPOSED: To publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/protocol-1.1/ as FPWD at sparql11-protocol modulo list of changes noted in SPARQL WG 2009-10-13 meeting and modulo Axel's approval

Lee Feigenbaum: PROPOSED: To publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/protocol-1.1/ as FPWD at sparql11-protocol modulo list of changes noted in SPARQL WG 2009-10-13 meeting and modulo Axel's approval

15:12:38 <bglimm>  +1

Birte Glimm: +1

15:12:44 <ivanh>  +1

Ivan Herman: +1

15:12:59 <LeeF>  RESOLVED: To publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/protocol-1.1/ as FPWD at sparql11-protocol modulo list of changes noted in SPARQL WG 2009-10-13 meeting and modulo Axel's approval, no abstentions or objections

Lee Feigenbaum: RESOLVED: To publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/protocol-1.1/ as FPWD at sparql11-protocol modulo list of changes noted in SPARQL WG 2009-10-13 meeting and modulo Axel's approval, no abstentions or objections

15:13:05 <AxelPolleres>  ACTION: Axel to check changes on http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/protocol-1.1/ as� agreed on and  mail approval, if satisfied

Axel Polleres: ACTION: Axel to check changes on http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/protocol-1.1/ as� agreed on and mail approval, if satisfied

15:13:05 <trackbot>  Could not create new action (failed to parse response from server) - please contact sysreq with the details of what happened.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Could not create new action (failed to parse response from server) - please contact sysreq with the details of what happened.

15:13:05 <trackbot>  Could not create new action (unparseable data in server response: local variable 'd' referenced before assignment) - please contact sysreq with the details of what happened.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Could not create new action (unparseable data in server response: local variable 'd' referenced before assignment) - please contact sysreq with the details of what happened.

15:13:14 <AndyS>  subtopic: SPARQL/service description

SPARQL/service description

15:13:17 <kasei>  Zakim, unmute me

Greg Williams: Zakim, unmute me

15:13:17 <Zakim>  kasei should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: kasei should no longer be muted

15:13:19 <LeeF>  is http://kasei.us/2009/09/sparql/sd.txt still the latest version?

Lee Feigenbaum: is http://kasei.us/2009/09/sparql/sd.txt still the latest version?

15:13:38 <AndyS>  kasei: no CVS access yet

Andy Seaborne: kasei: no CVS access yet

15:14:07 <AndyS>  LeeF: modulo putting into W3C format

Andy Seaborne: LeeF: modulo putting into W3C format

15:14:48 <AndyS>  kasei: superproperty for feature; subproperty of feature language (query and/or update)

Andy Seaborne: kasei: superproperty for feature; subproperty of feature language (query and/or update)

15:15:04 <AndyS>  ... missing URIs for actual names

Andy Seaborne: ... missing URIs for actual names

15:16:06 <AndyS>  LeeF: w3c resource availablity for publishing?

Andy Seaborne: LeeF: w3c resource availablity for publishing?

15:16:40 <bglimm>  yes

Birte Glimm: yes

15:16:51 <AndyS>  ivanh: heard CVS access problems

Andy Seaborne: ivanh: heard CVS access problems

15:16:58 <bglimm>  I can conect to the CVS server, but I cannot access the relevant folde

Birte Glimm: I can conect to the CVS server, but I cannot access the relevant folde

15:16:59 <bglimm>  r

Birte Glimm: r

15:17:17 <bglimm>  I contacted Eric, but haven't heard from him

Birte Glimm: I contacted Eric, but haven't heard from him

15:17:29 <kasei>  gwilliam

Greg Williams: gwilliam

15:17:35 <bglimm>  BGlimm

Birte Glimm: BGlimm

15:18:00 <bglimm>  bglimm

Birte Glimm: bglimm

15:18:05 <bglimm>  it is all lowercase

Birte Glimm: it is all lowercase

15:18:48 <AndyS>  LeeF: publication window for ISWC?

Andy Seaborne: LeeF: publication window for ISWC?

15:19:05 <AndyS>  ivanh: ISWC.  Can publish late next week.

Andy Seaborne: ivanh: ISWC. Can publish late next week.

15:19:19 <kasei>  Zakim, mute me

Greg Williams: Zakim, mute me

15:19:19 <Zakim>  kasei should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: kasei should now be muted

15:19:42 <kasei>  i'd prefer not abbreviating

Greg Williams: i'd prefer not abbreviating

15:19:55 <bglimm>  I am happy with the full thing

Birte Glimm: I am happy with the full thing

15:20:01 <LeeF>  PROPOSED: Publish http://kasei.us/2009/09/sparql/sd.txt as FPWD at sparql11-service-description moduloe putting in W3C format

Lee Feigenbaum: PROPOSED: Publish http://kasei.us/2009/09/sparql/sd.txt as FPWD at sparql11-service-description moduloe putting in W3C format

15:20:12 <bglimm>  +1

Birte Glimm: +1

15:20:13 <KjetilK>  +1

Kjetil Kjernsmo: +1

15:20:17 <ivanh>  +1

Ivan Herman: +1

15:20:23 <AxelPolleres>  +1

Axel Polleres: +1

15:20:26 <LeeF>  RESOLVED: Publish http://kasei.us/2009/09/sparql/sd.txt as FPWD at sparql11-service-description moduloe putting in W3C format, no abstentions or objections

Lee Feigenbaum: RESOLVED: Publish http://kasei.us/2009/09/sparql/sd.txt as FPWD at sparql11-service-description moduloe putting in W3C format, no abstentions or objections

Entailment Regimes Document

15:21:56 <bglimm>  http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Design:EntailmentRegimes

Birte Glimm: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Design:EntailmentRegimes

15:22:09 <bglimm>  Zakim, unmute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, unmute me

15:22:09 <Zakim>  bglimm should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should no longer be muted

15:22:50 <ivanh>  q+

Ivan Herman: q+

15:22:57 <AndyS>  q-

Andy Seaborne: q-

15:23:04 <LeeF>  ack AndyS

Lee Feigenbaum: ack AndyS

15:23:32 <bglimm>  yes

Birte Glimm: yes

15:23:36 <bglimm>  I agree

Birte Glimm: I agree

15:23:54 <AndyS>  AndyS; entailment RDF, RDFS are OK for FPWD

Andy Seaborne: AndyS; entailment RDF, RDFS are OK for FPWD

15:23:57 <AndyS>  AndyS: entailment RDF, RDFS are OK for FPWD

Andy Seaborne: AndyS: entailment RDF, RDFS are OK for FPWD

15:23:59 <LeeF>  ack ivan

Lee Feigenbaum: ack ivan

15:24:11 <AndyS>  ... not sections on syntax or extensions

Andy Seaborne: ... not sections on syntax or extensions

15:24:28 <AndyS>  ... lots of discussion that may imply things that are not planned

Andy Seaborne: ... lots of discussion that may imply things that are not planned

15:24:42 <bglimm>  OWL should also be taken out/left only as a header

Birte Glimm: OWL should also be taken out/left only as a header

15:24:44 <AndyS>  ivanh: needs adapting to W3C style.

Andy Seaborne: ivanh: needs adapting to W3C style.

15:24:49 <AndyS>  q+

Andy Seaborne: q+

15:25:40 <AndyS>  ack AndyS

Andy Seaborne: ack AndyS

15:26:25 <bglimm>  Are there other reviewers than Ivan?

Birte Glimm: Are there other reviewers than Ivan?

15:26:25 <LeeF>  PROPOSED: To publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Design:EntailmentRegimes as FPWD at sparql11-entailment modulo putting it in W3C format, and removing details of regimes other than RDF and RDFS and removing Alternative Syntax and Extensions sections

Lee Feigenbaum: PROPOSED: To publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Design:EntailmentRegimes as FPWD at sparql11-entailment modulo putting it in W3C format, and removing details of regimes other than RDF and RDFS and removing Alternative Syntax and Extensions sections

15:27:05 <AxelPolleres>  shall we also set someone to approve?

Axel Polleres: shall we also set someone to approve?

15:27:37 <AxelPolleres>  +1

Axel Polleres: +1

15:27:41 <ivanh>  +1

Ivan Herman: +1

15:27:44 <bglimm>  CAn I say +1 as the editor?

Birte Glimm: CAn I say +1 as the editor?

15:27:44 <Zakim>  -KjetilK

Zakim IRC Bot: -KjetilK

15:27:53 <bglimm>  +1

Birte Glimm: +1

15:28:06 <LeeF>  RESOLVED: To publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Design:EntailmentRegimes as FPWD at sparql11-entailment modulo putting it in W3C format, and removing details of regimes other than RDF and RDFS and removing Alternative Syntax and Extensions sections, no abstentions or objections

Lee Feigenbaum: RESOLVED: To publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Design:EntailmentRegimes as FPWD at sparql11-entailment modulo putting it in W3C format, and removing details of regimes other than RDF and RDFS and removing Alternative Syntax and Extensions sections, no abstentions or objections

15:28:10 <ivanh>  q+

Ivan Herman: q+

15:28:24 <ivanh>  ack ivanh

Ivan Herman: ack ivanh

15:28:40 <LeeF>  ACTION: Lee to coordinate with Axel, ivanh, Eric, and the editors to publish our documents

Lee Feigenbaum: ACTION: Lee to coordinate with Axel, ivanh, Eric, and the editors to publish our documents

15:28:40 <trackbot>  Created ACTION-123 - Coordinate with Axel, ivanh, Eric, and the editors to publish our documents [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2009-10-20].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-123 - Coordinate with Axel, ivanh, Eric, and the editors to publish our documents [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2009-10-20].



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