SPARQL Working Group

Minutes of 06 October 2009

Seen
Alex Passant, Andy Seaborne, Axel Polleres, Birte Glimm, Chime Ogbuji, Eric Prud'hommeaux, Greg Williams, Ivan Herman, Kjetil Kjernsmo, Lee Feigenbaum, Luke Wilson-Mawer, Olivier Corby, Orri Erling, Paul Gearon, Prateek Jain, Simon Schenk, Steve Harris
Regrets
Birte Glimm, Eric Prud'hommeaux, Simon Schenk
Scribe
Kjetil Kjernsmo, Alex Passant
IRC Log
Original and Editable Wiki Version
Resolutions
  1. approve minutes http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-09-29 link
  2. re-issue inclusion of time-allowed features in next iterations of the document link
  3. to publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/ as FPWD under http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-query11/ modulo editorial changes link
Topics
13:59:08 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/10/06-sparql-irc

RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/10/06-sparql-irc

13:59:22 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, this will be sparql

Axel Polleres: Zakim, this will be sparql

13:59:22 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, AxelPolleres

Zakim IRC Bot: I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, AxelPolleres

13:59:36 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, this will be SPARQL

Axel Polleres: Zakim, this will be SPARQL

13:59:36 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, AxelPolleres

Zakim IRC Bot: I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, AxelPolleres

13:59:56 <kasei>  yeah, can't get on the call with the code, either

Greg Williams: yeah, can't get on the call with the code, either

14:00:13 <AxelPolleres> now that's weird

Axel Polleres: now that's weird

14:00:32 <AndyS> I don't get "please your conf code" part of the message.

Andy Seaborne: I don't get "please your conf code" part of the message.

14:00:35 <pgearon> I'm guessing that Zakim sets up the conference call

Paul Gearon: I'm guessing that Zakim sets up the conference call

14:00:35 <AxelPolleres> ivanh, eric, help?

Axel Polleres: ivanh, eric, help?

14:00:51 <ivanh> what is the problem?

Ivan Herman: what is the problem?

14:00:57 <ivanh> hm

Ivan Herman: hm

14:01:05 <AndyS> and then "not valid *pass* code"

Andy Seaborne: and then "not valid *pass* code"

14:01:12 <SteveH> here

Steve Harris: here

14:01:14 <SteveH> same here

Steve Harris: same here

14:01:15 <ivanh> sigh...

Ivan Herman: sigh...

14:01:15 <AxelPolleres> seems we have no valid passcode on zakim and zakim doesn'

Axel Polleres: seems we have no valid passcode on zakim and zakim doesn'

14:01:22 <AxelPolleres> t know about the meeting

Axel Polleres: t know about the meeting

14:01:26 <LukeWM> same here

Luke Wilson-Mawer: same here

14:01:40 <SteveH> could be that SPARQL has elapsed, and the new group doesn't have a meeting slot?

Steve Harris: could be that SPARQL has elapsed, and the new group doesn't have a meeting slot?

14:02:14 <AxelPolleres> AxelPolleres has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2009-10-06

Axel Polleres: AxelPolleres has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2009-10-06

14:02:28 <LeeF> ericP?

Lee Feigenbaum: ericP?

14:02:40 <ivanh> eric is not around, I am trying to find out what is going on

Ivan Herman: eric is not around, I am trying to find out what is going on

14:02:45 <LeeF> k

Lee Feigenbaum: k

14:02:49 <AxelPolleres> looks like eric isn't available.

Axel Polleres: looks like eric isn't available.

14:02:57 <AxelPolleres> (he said at risk last time already)

Axel Polleres: (he said at risk last time already)

14:03:07 <SteveH> FWIW, Luke and I are at risk, this hotmail thing has meant were quite busy...

Steve Harris: FWIW, Luke and I are at risk, this hotmail thing has meant were quite busy...

14:03:16 <ivanh> in the meantime we can set up a temporary zakim call, which would need a different code access

Ivan Herman: in the meantime we can set up a temporary zakim call, which would need a different code access

14:03:21 <ivanh> would that work?

Ivan Herman: would that work?

14:03:30 <AxelPolleres> thanks ivanh, apologies all for the trouble. think that should work.

Axel Polleres: thanks ivanh, apologies all for the trouble. think that should work.

14:03:31 <ivanh> we can then check what is going on later

Ivan Herman: we can then check what is going on later

14:03:36 <AxelPolleres> +1

Axel Polleres: +1

14:03:43 <ivanh> we are around 10 people, right?

Ivan Herman: we are around 10 people, right?

14:03:48 <SteveH> yes

Steve Harris: yes

14:03:51 <ivanh> zakim, room for 15

Ivan Herman: zakim, room for 15

14:03:53 <Zakim> I don't understand 'room for 15', ivanh

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'room for 15', ivanh

14:03:57 <ivanh> zakim, room for 15?

Ivan Herman: zakim, room for 15?

14:04:00 <Zakim> ok, ivanh; conference Team_(sparql)14:03Z scheduled with code 772775 (SPARQL) for 60 minutes until 1503Z; however, please note that capacity is now overbooked

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivanh; conference Team_(sparql)14:03Z scheduled with code 772775 (SPARQL) for 60 minutes until 1503Z; however, please note that capacity is now overbooked

14:04:09 <ivanh> ok, let us use this one then

Ivan Herman: ok, let us use this one then

14:04:17 <ivanh> zakim, dial ivanh-voip

Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivanh-voip

14:04:17 <Zakim> ok, ivanh; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivanh; the call is being made

14:04:18 <Zakim> Team_(sparql)14:03Z has now started

Zakim IRC Bot: Team_(sparql)14:03Z has now started

14:04:19 <Zakim> +Ivanh

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivanh

14:04:30 <ivanh> (and it works)

Ivan Herman: (and it works)

14:04:31 <Zakim> + +1.310.729.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.310.729.aaaa

14:04:32 <ivanh> I am in

Ivan Herman: I am in

14:04:35 <kasei> Zakim, aaaa is me

Greg Williams: Zakim, aaaa is me

14:04:35 <Zakim> +kasei; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +kasei; got it

14:04:36 <Zakim> +??P31

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P31

14:04:47 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, code?

Axel Polleres: Zakim, code?

14:04:47 <Zakim> the conference code is 772775 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), AxelPolleres

Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 772775 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), AxelPolleres

14:04:49 <AlexPassant> Zakim, ??P31 is me

Alex Passant: Zakim, ??P31 is me

14:04:50 <Zakim> +AlexPassant; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +AlexPassant; got it

14:04:51 <kasei> Zakim, mute me

Greg Williams: Zakim, mute me

14:04:51 <Zakim> kasei should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: kasei should now be muted

14:04:54 <Zakim> +??P33

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P33

14:04:58 <AndyS> zakim, ??P33 is me

Andy Seaborne: zakim, ??P33 is me

14:04:58 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it

14:05:00 <Zakim> +??P37

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P37

14:05:07 <SteveH> ??P37 is [Garlik]

Steve Harris: ??P37 is [Garlik]

14:05:17 <SteveH> Zakim, ??P37 is [Garlik]

Steve Harris: Zakim, ??P37 is [Garlik]

14:05:17 <Zakim> +[Garlik]; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +[Garlik]; got it

14:05:19 <Zakim> +AxelPolleres

Zakim IRC Bot: +AxelPolleres

14:05:25 <SteveH> Zakim, [Garlik] has SteveH and LukeWM

Steve Harris: Zakim, [Garlik] has SteveH and LukeWM

14:05:25 <Zakim> +SteveH, LukeWM; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveH, LukeWM; got it

14:05:31 <KjetilK> hmm, Zakim didn't ask me for the code...

Kjetil Kjernsmo: hmm, Zakim didn't ask me for the code...

14:05:44 <SimonS> Hi, I will not be able to call in, but I will be on IRC for the first 60 mins.

Simon Schenk: Hi, I will not be able to call in, but I will be on IRC for the first 60 mins.

14:05:47 <AxelPolleres> AxelPolleres has changed the topic to: the conference code is 772775 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152)

Axel Polleres: AxelPolleres has changed the topic to: the conference code is 772775 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152)

14:05:50 <Zakim> +OlivierCorby

Zakim IRC Bot: +OlivierCorby

14:05:51 <Zakim> +Chimezie_Ogbuji

Zakim IRC Bot: +Chimezie_Ogbuji

14:06:10 <Zakim> +??P38

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P38

14:06:18 <KjetilK> Zakim, ??P38 is me

Kjetil Kjernsmo: Zakim, ??P38 is me

14:06:18 <Zakim> +KjetilK; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +KjetilK; got it

14:06:37 <AxelPolleres> Agenda is: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2009-10-06

Axel Polleres: Agenda is: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2009-10-06

14:07:04 <Zakim> +pgearon

Zakim IRC Bot: +pgearon

14:07:06 <AlexPassant> ok

Alex Passant: ok

14:07:15 <pgearon> whew! That was hard!

Paul Gearon: whew! That was hard!

14:07:40 <AxelPolleres> proposed: approve minutes http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-09-29

PROPOSED: approve minutes http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-09-29

14:07:53 <AxelPolleres> topic: admin

1. admin

14:07:53 <AlexPassant> how can I tell zakim that I'm sribing , cannot remember the command ?

Alex Passant: how can I tell zakim that I'm sribing , cannot remember the command ?

14:08:12 <KjetilK> ok

Kjetil Kjernsmo: ok

14:08:14 <AxelPolleres> scribe: kjetil

(Scribe set to Kjetil Kjernsmo)

14:08:37 <AxelPolleres> resolved: approve minutes http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-09-29

RESOLVED: approve minutes http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-09-29

14:09:06 <LukeWM> scribe: KjetilK
14:09:23 <KjetilK> Regrets: BirteG, EricP, SimonS
14:09:23 <KjetilK> Zakim, mute me

Zakim, mute me

14:09:23 <Zakim> KjetilK should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: KjetilK should now be muted

14:09:34 <AxelPolleres> scribe next time andy

Axel Polleres: scribe next time andy

14:09:56 <KjetilK> AlexPassant, yeah, that'll work

AlexPassant, yeah, that'll work

14:10:06 <AlexPassant> KjetilK: ok, sorry for the confusion

Kjetil Kjernsmo: ok, sorry for the confusion [ Scribe Assist by Alex Passant ]

14:10:26 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to come up with a concrete agenda for F2F

ACTION: Axel to come up with a concrete agenda for F2F

14:10:27 <trackbot> Created ACTION-112 - Come up with a concrete agenda for F2F [on Axel Polleres - due 2009-10-13].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-112 - Come up with a concrete agenda for F2F [on Axel Polleres - due 2009-10-13].

14:10:47 <KjetilK> Topic: Liasons

2. Liasons

14:10:48 <AxelPolleres> topic: liaisons

3. liaisons

14:11:00 <KjetilK> AxelPolleres: anything to report?

Axel Polleres: anything to report?

14:11:10 <SteveH> should we have an e-gov liasson?

Steve Harris: should we have an e-gov liasson?

14:11:34 <KjetilK> AxelPolleres: there is something from RIF; it is now CR

Axel Polleres: there is something from RIF; it is now CR

14:12:26 <KjetilK> +1

+1

14:12:42 <AxelPolleres> proposed: add SteveH as liaison contact for e-Gov xg

PROPOSED: add SteveH as liaison contact for e-Gov xg

14:12:57 <KjetilK> s/xg/ig/

s/xg/ig/

14:13:06 <SteveH> no, XG is correct

Steve Harris: no, XG is correct

14:13:10 <AlexPassant> any liaison for the provenance XG as well ?

Alex Passant: any liaison for the provenance XG as well ?

14:13:11 <KjetilK> oh, sorry

oh, sorry

14:13:32 <AxelPolleres> Orri: rdb2rdff starts this or next? week

Orri Erling: rdb2rdff starts this or next? week [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

14:13:54 <AxelPolleres> axel: RIF is a CR since Oct 1

Axel Polleres: RIF is a CR since Oct 1 [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

14:13:56 <SteveH> oh, no, it is an IG

Steve Harris: oh, no, it is an IG

14:14:06 <SteveH> sorry KjetilK

Steve Harris: sorry KjetilK

14:14:20 <Zakim> -AlexPassant

Zakim IRC Bot: -AlexPassant

14:14:50 <KjetilK> Topic: Using Action tracker for task forces

4. Using Action tracker for task forces

14:15:02 <KjetilK> Topic: ACTIONS

5. ACTIONS

14:15:40 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/open

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/open

14:16:01 <Zakim> +??P7

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P7

14:16:03 <kasei> ericP: still waiting on cvs access :\

Eric Prud'hommeaux: still waiting on cvs access :\ [ Scribe Assist by Greg Williams ]

14:16:05 <AlexPassant> Zakim, ??P7 is me

Alex Passant: Zakim, ??P7 is me

14:16:05 <Zakim> +AlexPassant; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +AlexPassant; got it

14:16:14 <kasei> s/:/,/

Greg Williams: s/:/,/

14:16:31 <KjetilK> I have completed LeeF's ACTION-107

I have completed LeeF's ACTION-107

14:16:58 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-92

Axel Polleres: close ACTION-92

14:16:58 <trackbot> ACTION-92 Make a comment making it clear that we intend to merge this content with the old document. closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-92 Make a comment making it clear that we intend to merge this content with the old document. closed

14:17:59 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-93

Axel Polleres: close ACTION-93

14:17:59 <trackbot> ACTION-93 talk with AndyS on ISSUE-41, closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-93 talk with AndyS on ISSUE-41, closed

14:18:01 <ericP> kasei, w3c web id?

Eric Prud'hommeaux: kasei, w3c web id?

14:18:14 <kasei> ericP, gwilliam

Greg Williams: ericP, gwilliam

14:18:15 <AxelPolleres> simonS?

Axel Polleres: simonS?

14:18:24 <KjetilK> SimonS is on IRC

SimonS is on IRC

14:18:39 <SimonS> here

Simon Schenk: here

14:18:57 <SimonS> cannot call in atm

Simon Schenk: cannot call in atm

14:19:01 <KjetilK> AxelPolleres: has there been any discussion on the structure of the Query and Update documents?

Axel Polleres: has there been any discussion on the structure of the Query and Update documents?

14:19:33 <KjetilK> ...: it is in the works

...: it is in the works

14:19:45 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me

Chime Ogbuji: Zakim, mute me

14:19:45 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted

14:20:26 <ericP> kasei, it looks like i have a couple reqs fro you

Eric Prud'hommeaux: kasei, it looks like i have a couple reqs fro you

14:20:40 <ericP> will have to look after this session (i'm in a conference)

Eric Prud'hommeaux: will have to look after this session (i'm in a conference)

14:20:49 <AndyS> See related notes comment for this action

Andy Seaborne: See related notes comment for this action

14:21:02 <kasei> ericP, ok thanks (as always)

Greg Williams: ericP, ok thanks (as always)

14:21:07 <AndyS> "This is probably not going to be done until/unless were clear on whether the function library will be included in /Query 1.1. [Steve Harris]"

Andy Seaborne: "This is probably not going to be done until/unless were clear on whether the function library will be included in /Query 1.1. [Steve Harris]"

14:21:48 <AndyS> action #97

Andy Seaborne: action #97

14:21:48 <trackbot> Sorry, bad ACTION syntax

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, bad ACTION syntax

14:23:07 <KjetilK> AxelPolleres: I suggest we discuss this after FPWD

Axel Polleres: I suggest we discuss this after FPWD

14:23:22 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: re-issue inclusion of time-allowed features in next iterations of the document

PROPOSED: re-issue inclusion of time-allowed features in next iterations of the document

14:23:23 <SteveH> we should discuss it when we know whether term permits or not

Steve Harris: we should discuss it when we know whether term permits or not

14:23:27 <SteveH> it's premature until then

Steve Harris: it's premature until then

14:23:32 <AndyS> +1

Andy Seaborne: +1

14:23:40 <KjetilK> +1

+1

14:23:53 <AxelPolleres> +1

Axel Polleres: +1

14:23:54 <ivanh> +1

Ivan Herman: +1

14:23:58 <pgearon> +1

Paul Gearon: +1

14:24:04 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: re-issue inclusion of time-allowed features in next iterations of the document

RESOLVED: re-issue inclusion of time-allowed features in next iterations of the document

14:24:05 <chimezie> 0

Chime Ogbuji: 0

14:24:08 <AndyS> (+1 to steve)

Andy Seaborne: (+1 to steve)

14:24:49 <AxelPolleres> topic: status of reviews

6. status of reviews

14:25:26 <SteveH> link?

Steve Harris: link?

14:28:06 <AndyS> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0011.html

Andy Seaborne: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0011.html

14:28:14 <AndyS> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0008.html

Andy Seaborne: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0008.html

14:28:28 <AndyS> Reviews of SPARQL 1.1. (Axel and Birte)

Andy Seaborne: Reviews of SPARQL 1.1. (Axel and Birte)

14:30:13 <KjetilK> AndyS: which documents are we voting on?

Andy Seaborne: which documents are we voting on?

14:30:51 <Zakim> +Prateek

Zakim IRC Bot: +Prateek

14:30:54 <KjetilK> AxelPolleres: I think we should do it next time, since there are quite a few regrets this time

Axel Polleres: I think we should do it next time, since there are quite a few regrets this time

14:31:15 <KjetilK> AxelPolleres: Ivanh, should we vote this time to finish it before ISWC?

Axel Polleres: Ivanh, should we vote this time to finish it before ISWC?

14:31:18 <LeeF> Sorry I'm not on the call, everyone - wanted to say that if we think we're ready or close-to-ready for FPWD for Query and for Update

Lee Feigenbaum: Sorry I'm not on the call, everyone - wanted to say that if we think we're ready or close-to-ready for FPWD for Query and for Update

14:31:25 <LeeF> then it would be great for us to resolve to publish those

Lee Feigenbaum: then it would be great for us to resolve to publish those

14:31:32 <LeeF> even if the rest of the docs need to evolve a bit more

Lee Feigenbaum: even if the rest of the docs need to evolve a bit more

14:31:40 <SteveH> Update is not in a state to review it

Steve Harris: Update is not in a state to review it

14:31:48 <LeeF> I think it's a publicity win to have Query and Update published in advance of ISWC

Lee Feigenbaum: I think it's a publicity win to have Query and Update published in advance of ISWC

14:31:50 <LeeF> OK

Lee Feigenbaum: OK

14:31:54 <LeeF> well, even query

Lee Feigenbaum: well, even query

14:32:01 <LeeF> s/even query/even just query

Lee Feigenbaum: s/even query/even just query

14:32:25 <kasei> LeeF, ivanh says on the call that voting next week should be enough time for publcation before iswc...

Greg Williams: LeeF, ivanh says on the call that voting next week should be enough time for publcation before iswc...

14:32:34 <LeeF> thanks, kasei

Lee Feigenbaum: thanks, kasei

14:32:51 <KjetilK> ivanh:  voting next week should be enough time for publcation before iswc...

Ivan Herman: voting next week should be enough time for publcation before iswc...

14:33:07 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-query11/

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-query11/

14:34:29 <KjetilK> AndyS: the material we are voting on is going to be merged into one single document

Andy Seaborne: the material we are voting on is going to be merged into one single document

14:34:37 <AxelPolleres>  "The final version of this draft shall be integrated with the earlier SPARQL/Query 1.0 document to produce a new document."

Axel Polleres: "The final version of this draft shall be integrated with the earlier SPARQL/Query 1.0 document to produce a new document."

14:34:42 <KjetilK> AndyS: is that new document going to be SPARQL 1.1?

Andy Seaborne: is that new document going to be SPARQL 1.1?

14:35:13 <KjetilK> AxelPolleres: AndyS asks if we should publish this under the proposed name, right?

Axel Polleres: AndyS asks if we should publish this under the proposed name, right?

14:36:09 <KjetilK> AxelPolleres: another possibility is to publish this under a different name

Axel Polleres: another possibility is to publish this under a different name

14:36:28 <KjetilK> ivanh: I think it is OK to use that name for it allready

Ivan Herman: I think it is OK to use that name for it allready

14:36:38 <SteveH> AxelPolleres, I think the wording is fine

Steve Harris: AxelPolleres, I think the wording is fine

14:36:44 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: remove "to produce  a new document" from Status section.�

PROPOSED: remove "to produce a new document" from Status section.�

14:36:50 <SteveH> -1

Steve Harris: -1

14:36:56 <KjetilK> 0

0

14:38:43 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema11-2/

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema11-2/

14:38:45 <KjetilK> ivanh: I will look into it

Ivan Herman: I will look into it

14:39:27 <ivanh> http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGTiny12/

Ivan Herman: http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGTiny12/

14:39:49 <KjetilK> ivanh: the shortname on IRC is ok

Ivan Herman: the shortname on IRC is ok

14:40:03 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: to publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/ as FPWD under http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-query11/

PROPOSED: to publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/ as FPWD under http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-query11/

14:40:10 <SteveH> 2nded

Steve Harris: 2nded

14:40:21 <AxelPolleres> q?

Axel Polleres: q?

14:41:04 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: to publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/ as FPWD under http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-query11/ modulo editorial changes

PROPOSED: to publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/ as FPWD under http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-query11/ modulo editorial changes

14:41:23 <ivanh> +1 (W3C)

Ivan Herman: +1 (W3C)

14:41:35 <SteveH> +1 (Garlik)

Steve Harris: +1 (Garlik)

14:41:39 <AndyS> +1 (HP)

Andy Seaborne: +1 (HP)

14:41:39 <kasei> +1 (RPI)

Greg Williams: +1 (RPI)

14:41:43 <KjetilK> 0 (Computas) # I haven't really had time to review it

0 (Computas) # I haven't really had time to review it

14:41:48 <AlexPassant> +1 (DERI, NUIG)

Alex Passant: +1 (DERI, NUIG)

14:42:07 <chimezie> +1 (CCF)

Chime Ogbuji: +1 (CCF)

14:42:17 <SimonS> +1

Simon Schenk: +1

14:42:23 <KjetilK> Zakim: unmute me

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14:42:33 <OlivierCorby> +1(INRIA)

Olivier Corby: +1(INRIA)

14:43:08 <ivanh> +1 (OpenLink) (from Orri who does not have IRC)

Ivan Herman: +1 (OpenLink) (from Orri who does not have IRC)

14:43:35 <KjetilK> Zakim, mute me

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14:43:36 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: to publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/ as FPWD under http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-query11/ modulo editorial changes

RESOLVED: to publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/ as FPWD under http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-query11/ modulo editorial changes

14:43:41 <ivanh> clap clap clap

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14:44:12 <LukeWM_> q+

Luke Wilson-Mawer: q+

14:44:25 <AndyS> Which update?

Andy Seaborne: Which update?

14:44:30 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0024.html

Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0024.html

14:44:33 <AxelPolleres> q?

Axel Polleres: q?

14:44:44 <AxelPolleres> topic: SPARQL/Update

7. SPARQL/Update

14:45:07 <AndyS> So this is update language?

Andy Seaborne: So this is update language?

14:45:13 <SteveH> yes

Steve Harris: yes

14:45:25 <AxelPolleres> paul: not quite ready for review.

Paul Gearon: not quite ready for review. [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

14:45:30 <AndyS> Email link is to protocol review.

Andy Seaborne: Email link is to protocol review.

14:46:04 <AxelPolleres> simonS, could we get realistically the doc in status to vote next time?

Axel Polleres: simonS, could we get realistically the doc in status to vote next time?

14:46:58 <SimonS> I think so.

Simon Schenk: I think so.

14:47:55 <SimonS> Paul is up to date again, and I will have time Thursday and Friday.

Simon Schenk: Paul is up to date again, and I will have time Thursday and Friday.

14:48:01 <KjetilK> Zakim, mute me

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14:48:03 <SimonS> The todos are clear.

Simon Schenk: The todos are clear.

14:48:53 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Luke to Review http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.0/ for FPWD readiness

ACTION: Luke to Review http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.0/ for FPWD readiness

14:48:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-113 - Review http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.0/ for FPWD readiness [on Luke Wilson-Mawer - due 2009-10-13].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-113 - Review http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.0/ for FPWD readiness [on Luke Wilson-Mawer - due 2009-10-13].

14:49:07 <SteveH> I think LeeF volunteered too

Steve Harris: I think LeeF volunteered too

14:49:08 <AxelPolleres>  ACTION: Steve to Review http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.0/ for FPWD readiness

Axel Polleres: ACTION: Steve to Review http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.0/ for FPWD readiness

14:49:15 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Lee to Review http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.0/ for FPWD readiness

ACTION: Lee to Review http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.0/ for FPWD readiness

14:49:15 <trackbot> Created ACTION-114 - Review http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.0/ for FPWD readiness [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2009-10-13].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-114 - Review http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.0/ for FPWD readiness [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2009-10-13].

14:50:00 <AxelPolleres> topic: http-update

8. http-update

14:50:02 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/

14:50:04 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me

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14:50:12 <KjetilK> Zakim, unmute me

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14:50:32 <AndyS> Link to Review: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0004.html

Andy Seaborne: Link to Review: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0004.html

14:50:57 <AndyS> Link to Review: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0024.html

Andy Seaborne: Link to Review: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0024.html

14:51:15 <AxelPolleres> kjetil: who is our audience here?

Kjetil Kjernsmo: who is our audience here? [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

14:51:49 <AxelPolleres> ... do we need all update features or just a tiny subset?

Axel Polleres: ... do we need all update features or just a tiny subset?

14:53:04 <AxelPolleres> ...

Axel Polleres: ...

14:54:26 <AxelPolleres> Axel: Are all you concerns in your mail?

Axel Polleres: Are all you concerns in your mail? [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

14:56:45 <AxelPolleres> chime: all bust last issue could be addressed.

Chime Ogbuji: all bust last issue could be addressed. [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

14:57:40 <AxelPolleres> q?

Axel Polleres: q?

14:57:57 <LukeWM_> ack me

Luke Wilson-Mawer: ack me

14:58:18 <KjetilK> I propose to not mention the proxy graph identifier for now

I propose to not mention the proxy graph identifier for now

14:59:40 <KjetilK> INSERT INTO <http://foobar.com> { payload }

INSERT INTO <http://foobar.com> { payload }

15:00:04 <SteveH> but that's horribly unfreindly, if youhave eg RDF/XML data

Steve Harris: but that's horribly unfreindly, if youhave eg RDF/XML data

15:00:36 <Zakim> -AlexPassant

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15:01:37 <Zakim> +??P54

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15:01:40 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Kjetil to draft a paragraph/sentence to put in the document that clrifies "at risk" status of proxy graph identifier

ACTION: Kjetil to draft a paragraph/sentence to put in the document that clrifies "at risk" status of proxy graph identifier

15:01:40 <trackbot> Created ACTION-115 - Draft a paragraph/sentence to put in the document that clrifies "at risk" status of proxy graph identifier  [on Kjetil Kjernsmo - due 2009-10-13].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-115 - Draft a paragraph/sentence to put in the document that clrifies "at risk" status of proxy graph identifier [on Kjetil Kjernsmo - due 2009-10-13].

15:01:41 <AlexPassant> Zakim, ??P54 is me

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15:02:27 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Chime to address the concerns in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0024.html

ACTION: Chime to address the concerns in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0024.html

15:02:27 <trackbot> Created ACTION-116 - Address the concerns in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0024.html [on Chimezie Ogbuji - due 2009-10-13].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-116 - Address the concerns in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0024.html [on Chimezie Ogbuji - due 2009-10-13].

15:02:50 <Zakim> -KjetilK

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15:02:59 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: next topic is Service Description document

Axel Polleres: next topic is Service Description document

15:03:16 <AxelPolleres> topic: Service Description document

9. Service Description document

15:03:18 <kasei> Zakim, unmute me

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15:03:26 <AlexPassant> ... status ?

... status ?

15:03:33 <AlexPassant> kasei: not having CVS access

Greg Williams: not having CVS access

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15:03:43 <AlexPassant> ... but got some feedback from AndyS and AxelPolleres

... but got some feedback from AndyS and AxelPolleres

15:03:53 <AlexPassant> ... some questions regarding the feedback exchanged by e-mail

... some questions regarding the feedback exchanged by e-mail

15:04:00 <AndyS> Link to (Un)review: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0015.html

Andy Seaborne: Link to (Un)review: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0015.html

15:04:14 <AlexPassant> ... AndyS brought up the point of entailement based on the graph and not on the whole dataset

... AndyS brought up the point of entailement based on the graph and not on the whole dataset

15:04:18 <AndyS> Link to Review: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0010.html

Andy Seaborne: Link to Review: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0010.html

15:04:32 <AlexPassant> ... property that discuss the entailement for a graph ?

... property that discuss the entailement for a graph ?

15:04:46 <AlexPassant> ... on the dataset, or ability to say both ?

... on the dataset, or ability to say both ?

15:04:57 <chimezie> haven't we essentially made that decision by deciding not to support the user being specific about which entailment regimes are applicable and to which graphs?

Chime Ogbuji: haven't we essentially made that decision by deciding not to support the user being specific about which entailment regimes are applicable and to which graphs?

15:05:06 <AlexPassant> ... is that necessary ?

... is that necessary ?

15:05:15 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: issue also related to the entailement document

Axel Polleres: issue also related to the entailement document

15:05:19 <AlexPassant> ... needs further clarification

... needs further clarification

15:05:20 <AndyS> ?

Andy Seaborne: ?

15:05:30 <AlexPassant> ... any issue on that ?

... any issue on that ?

15:05:35 <AlexPassant> ... need to raise one

... need to raise one

15:05:57 <AndyS> q+

Andy Seaborne: q+

15:06:20 <AlexPassant> AndyS: agree with greg

Andy Seaborne: agree with greg

15:06:32 <AlexPassant> ... common case, dataset have only a default graph

... common case, dataset have only a default graph

15:07:04 <AlexPassant> kasei: will it be ok to describe the entailement for the whole dataset ?

Greg Williams: will it be ok to describe the entailement for the whole dataset ?

15:07:17 <AlexPassant> ... describing default graph, etc. with other properties (as entailement per graph)

... describing default graph, etc. with other properties (as entailement per graph)

15:07:31 <AlexPassant> AndyS: happy if there is a note in the doc mentioning that there can be graph-based entailement

Andy Seaborne: happy if there is a note in the doc mentioning that there can be graph-based entailement

15:07:35 <AlexPassant> ... that can be discussed later

... that can be discussed later

15:07:57 <AlexPassant> kasei: pointing it in the realm of service description

Greg Williams: pointing it in the realm of service description

15:08:09 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: suggested working for that issue ?

Axel Polleres: suggested working for that issue ?

15:08:27 <kasei> s/pointing/punting/

Greg Williams: s/pointing/punting/

15:08:36 <SteveH> do we really need an issue for that?

Steve Harris: do we really need an issue for that?

15:08:42 <AxelPolleres>  ISSUE:  should entailment-regimes be declared over �the whole dataset or indicidual graphs?

Axel Polleres: ISSUE: should entailment-regimes be declared over �the whole dataset or indicidual graphs?

15:09:07 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: raising the issue will help to link from the doc

Axel Polleres: raising the issue will help to link from the doc

15:09:19 <AlexPassant> SteveH: worrying about duplicating

Steve Harris: worrying about duplicating

15:09:24 <AlexPassant> ... get comments on documents and comments on the issues

... get comments on documents and comments on the issues

15:09:45 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: godd to have it in the doc, but tracker keeps an overview of what's open

Axel Polleres: godd to have it in the doc, but tracker keeps an overview of what's open

15:09:55 <AlexPassant> ... continue the policy that we had so far

... continue the policy that we had so far

15:10:01 <AlexPassant> s/godd/good

s/godd/good

15:10:45 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: any other question on the reviews ?

Axel Polleres: any other question on the reviews ?

15:10:59 <AlexPassant> kasei: AxelPolleres mentioned a way to discuss default and named graphs

Greg Williams: AxelPolleres mentioned a way to discuss default and named graphs

15:11:18 <AlexPassant> ... will go into a note - ony one property to link a service to the desription on the SD vocabulary

... will go into a note - ony one property to link a service to the desription on the SD vocabulary

15:11:28 <AlexPassant> s/ony/only

s/ony/only

15:11:34 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: mention it in the doc ?

Axel Polleres: mention it in the doc ?

15:11:59 <AlexPassant> kasei: AndyS and AxelPolleres mentioned an example to void

Greg Williams: AndyS and AxelPolleres mentioned an example to void

15:12:21 <AlexPassant> AndyS: what is normative and informative in the SD document

Andy Seaborne: what is normative and informative in the SD document

15:12:53 <AxelPolleres> to make example on extensibility by other vocabs informative seems good.

Axel Polleres: to make example on extensibility by other vocabs informative seems good.

15:13:08 <AndyS> s/is/if/

Andy Seaborne: s/is/if/

15:14:10 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: mention explicitely (ideally with an example) how such extensibility could include

Axel Polleres: mention explicitely (ideally with an example) how such extensibility could include

15:14:19 <AlexPassant> kasei: ok

Greg Williams: ok

15:14:33 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: do not need to agree on a vocabulary at the moment, example vocab should work

Axel Polleres: do not need to agree on a vocabulary at the moment, example vocab should work

15:14:47 <AlexPassant> +1 for mentioning it as an example

+1 for mentioning it as an example

15:14:51 <AlexPassant> along maybe with DARQ

along maybe with DARQ

15:15:10 <SimonS> void is undergoing revision anyway.

Simon Schenk: void is undergoing revision anyway.

15:15:22 <SimonS> +1 for AlexPassant

Simon Schenk: +1 for AlexPassant

15:16:06 <AlexPassant> http://darq.sf.net/dose/0.1# is 404 :-(

http://darq.sf.net/dose/0.1# is 404 :-(

15:16:17 <AlexPassant> kasei: will sent tothe list before next t-con

Greg Williams: will sent tothe list before next t-con

15:16:22 <AlexPassant> ... will try by the end of the week

... will try by the end of the week

15:16:27 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: greg to incorporate an example for extensibility by the end of the week into SD

ACTION: greg to incorporate an example for extensibility by the end of the week into SD

15:16:27 <trackbot> Created ACTION-117 - Incorporate an example for extensibility by the end of the week into SD [on Gregory Williams - due 2009-10-13].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-117 - Incorporate an example for extensibility by the end of the week into SD [on Gregory Williams - due 2009-10-13].

15:17:32 <kasei> Zakim, mute me

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15:18:07 <AxelPolleres> topic: entailment regimes doc.

10. entailment regimes doc.

15:19:41 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: ivanH to review sparql-entailment

ACTION: ivanH to review sparql-entailment

15:19:41 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - ivanH

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15:19:48 <AndyS> q+

Andy Seaborne: q+

15:20:42 <ivanh> action: ivanh to review sparql-entailement

ACTION: ivanh to review sparql-entailement

15:20:42 <trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - ivanh

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15:20:42 <trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. ivan, imikhail)

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15:21:08 <ivanh> action: ivanherman to review sparql entailement document

ACTION: ivanherman to review sparql entailement document

15:21:08 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - ivanherman

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15:22:04 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: ivanh to review the RDFS part of sparql-entailment

ACTION: ivanh to review the RDFS part of sparql-entailment

15:22:04 <trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - ivanh

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15:22:04 <trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. ivanh, imikhail)

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15:22:29 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: axel to enter ivanh's action manuallty

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15:22:29 <trackbot> Created ACTION-118 - Enter ivanh's action manuallty [on Axel Polleres - due 2009-10-13].

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15:23:39 <Zakim> -Chimezie_Ogbuji

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15:23:45 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: meeting ajourned

Axel Polleres: meeting ajourned

15:23:45 <LukeWM_> bye

Luke Wilson-Mawer: bye

15:23:46 <Zakim> -Ivanh

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15:23:51 <pgearon> bye. And thanks

Paul Gearon: bye. And thanks

15:23:51 <Zakim> -[Garlik]

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15:23:53 <Zakim> -AlexPassant

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15:23:54 <Zakim> -Prateek

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15:25:36 <Zakim> Team_(sparql)14:03Z has ended

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15:25:38 <Zakim> Attendees were Ivanh, +1.310.729.aaaa, kasei, AlexPassant, AndyS, AxelPolleres, SteveH, LukeWM, OlivierCorby, Chimezie_Ogbuji, KjetilK, pgearon, +1.617.588.aabb, Prateek

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