13:51:01 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/09/29-sparql-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/09/29-sparql-irc ←
13:51:03 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs world ←
13:51:05 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 77277
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be 77277 ←
13:51:06 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
13:51:06 <trackbot> Date: 29 September 2009
13:51:07 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 9 minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 9 minutes ←
13:51:23 <LeeF> Chair: LeeF
13:51:28 <LeeF> Regrets: SimonS
13:51:47 <LeeF> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2009-09-29
13:52:03 <LeeF> LeeF has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2009-09-29
Lee Feigenbaum: LeeF has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2009-09-29 ←
13:56:32 <SteveH> they will now :)
Steve Harris: they will now :) ←
13:56:42 <LeeF> Not once I play my Jedi mind tricks.
Lee Feigenbaum: Not once I play my Jedi mind tricks. ←
13:56:48 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has now started
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has now started ←
13:56:55 <Zakim> +??P4
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P4 ←
13:57:20 <SteveH> Zakim, ??P4 is [Garlik]
Steve Harris: Zakim, ??P4 is [Garlik] ←
13:57:20 <Zakim> +[Garlik]; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +[Garlik]; got it ←
13:57:21 <Zakim> +LeeF
Zakim IRC Bot: +LeeF ←
13:57:58 <Zakim> +kasei
Zakim IRC Bot: +kasei ←
13:58:01 <chimezie> Zakim, what is the passcode?
Chime Ogbuji: Zakim, what is the passcode? ←
13:58:02 <Zakim> the conference code is 77277 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), chimezie
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 77277 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), chimezie ←
13:58:03 <Zakim> +OlivierCorby
Zakim IRC Bot: +OlivierCorby ←
13:58:34 <kasei> Zakim, mute me
Greg Williams: Zakim, mute me ←
13:58:34 <Zakim> kasei should now be muted
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13:58:35 <Zakim> +Chimezie_Ogbuji
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13:58:55 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me
Chime Ogbuji: Zakim, mute me ←
13:58:55 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted ←
13:59:36 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me
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13:59:36 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Chimezie_Ogbuji should no longer be muted ←
13:59:46 <LeeF> Scribe: Chimezie
(Scribe set to Chime Ogbuji)
13:59:48 <LeeF> Scribenick: chimezie
13:59:58 <Zakim> +bglimm
Zakim IRC Bot: +bglimm ←
14:00:02 <LeeF> zakim, who's on the phone?
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, who's on the phone? ←
14:00:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see [Garlik], LeeF, kasei (muted), OlivierCorby, Chimezie_Ogbuji, bglimm
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see [Garlik], LeeF, kasei (muted), OlivierCorby, Chimezie_Ogbuji, bglimm ←
14:00:23 <Zakim> +AxelPolleres
Zakim IRC Bot: +AxelPolleres ←
14:00:24 <bglimm> I can hear you
Birte Glimm: I can hear you ←
14:00:35 <Zakim> +??P38
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P38 ←
14:00:47 <Zakim> +pgearon
Zakim IRC Bot: +pgearon ←
14:00:49 <AndyS> zakim, ??P38 is me
Andy Seaborne: zakim, ??P38 is me ←
14:00:49 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it ←
14:00:52 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me ←
14:00:52 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted ←
14:01:28 <chimezie> Zakim, who is here?
Zakim, who is here? ←
14:01:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see [Garlik], LeeF, kasei (muted), OlivierCorby, Chimezie_Ogbuji, bglimm (muted), AxelPolleres, AndyS, pgearon
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see [Garlik], LeeF, kasei (muted), OlivierCorby, Chimezie_Ogbuji, bglimm (muted), AxelPolleres, AndyS, pgearon ←
14:01:30 <Zakim> On IRC I see SimonKJ, bglimm, chimezie, Zakim, RRSAgent, AndyS, pgearon, OlivierCorby, LeeF, AxelPolleres, karl, LukeWM, ivanh, danbri, iv_an_ru, SteveH, kjetil, AlexPassant, kasei,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see SimonKJ, bglimm, chimezie, Zakim, RRSAgent, AndyS, pgearon, OlivierCorby, LeeF, AxelPolleres, karl, LukeWM, ivanh, danbri, iv_an_ru, SteveH, kjetil, AlexPassant, kasei, ←
14:01:32 <Zakim> ... KjetilK, trackbot, ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: ... KjetilK, trackbot, ericP ←
14:01:40 <LeeF> ericP, joining us?
Lee Feigenbaum: ericP, joining us? ←
14:01:44 <LeeF> ivanh, joining us?
Lee Feigenbaum: ivanh, joining us? ←
14:01:47 <LeeF> iv_an_ru, joining us?
Lee Feigenbaum: iv_an_ru, joining us? ←
14:01:53 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me
Zakim, mute me ←
14:01:53 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted ←
14:02:04 <LeeF> kjetil, joining us?
Lee Feigenbaum: kjetil, joining us? ←
14:02:07 <ivanh> zakim, dial ivanh-voip
Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivanh-voip ←
14:02:07 <Zakim> ok, ivanh; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivanh; the call is being made ←
14:02:08 <Zakim> +IvanH
Zakim IRC Bot: +IvanH ←
14:02:18 <ivanh> LeeF: yes:-)
Lee Feigenbaum: yes:-) [ Scribe Assist by Ivan Herman ] ←
14:02:21 <Zakim> +EricP
Zakim IRC Bot: +EricP ←
14:02:22 <Zakim> +??P1
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P1 ←
14:02:26 <AlexPassant> Zakim, ??P1 is me
Alex Passant: Zakim, ??P1 is me ←
14:02:26 <Zakim> +AlexPassant; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AlexPassant; got it ←
14:02:56 <Zakim> +SimonKJ
Zakim IRC Bot: +SimonKJ ←
14:03:15 <LeeF> zakim, who's on the phone?
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, who's on the phone? ←
14:03:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see [Garlik], LeeF, kasei (muted), OlivierCorby, Chimezie_Ogbuji (muted), bglimm (muted), AxelPolleres, AndyS, pgearon, IvanH, AlexPassant, EricP, SimonKJ
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see [Garlik], LeeF, kasei (muted), OlivierCorby, Chimezie_Ogbuji (muted), bglimm (muted), AxelPolleres, AndyS, pgearon, IvanH, AlexPassant, EricP, SimonKJ ←
14:04:12 <LeeF> topic: Admin
14:04:13 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-09-22
PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-09-22 ←
14:04:19 <Zakim> + +1.617.588.aaaa - is perhaps manrique?
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.617.588.aaaa - is perhaps manrique? ←
14:04:40 <LeeF> zakim, aaaa is Orri
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, aaaa is Orri ←
14:04:40 <Zakim> sorry, LeeF, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, LeeF, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa' ←
14:04:45 <LeeF> zakim, who's on the phone?
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, who's on the phone? ←
14:04:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see [Garlik], LeeF, kasei (muted), OlivierCorby, Chimezie_Ogbuji (muted), bglimm (muted), AxelPolleres, AndyS, pgearon, IvanH, AlexPassant, EricP, SimonKJ, manrique?
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see [Garlik], LeeF, kasei (muted), OlivierCorby, Chimezie_Ogbuji (muted), bglimm (muted), AxelPolleres, AndyS, pgearon, IvanH, AlexPassant, EricP, SimonKJ, manrique? ←
14:04:50 <LeeF> zakim, manrique? is Orri
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, manrique? is Orri ←
14:04:50 <Zakim> +Orri; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Orri; got it ←
14:05:08 <SteveH> minutes look fine
Steve Harris: minutes look fine ←
14:05:10 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-09-22
RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-09-22 ←
14:05:40 <LeeF> next meeting is October 6 same time
Lee Feigenbaum: next meeting is October 6 same time ←
14:06:00 <chimezie> LeeF:Axel to chair next week
Lee Feigenbaum: Axel to chair next week ←
14:06:04 <bglimm> I cannot make it
Birte Glimm: I cannot make it ←
14:06:10 <LeeF> regrets for next week: bglimm, leef, and ericp at risk
Lee Feigenbaum: regrets for next week: bglimm, leef, and ericp at risk ←
14:06:11 <bglimm> next week (travelling)
Birte Glimm: next week (travelling) ←
14:06:37 <chimezie> unknown speaker (maybe ericP):anyone else making ISWC meeting?
unknown speaker (maybe ericP):anyone else making ISWC meeting? ←
14:06:40 <bglimm> s/travellking/travelling/
Birte Glimm: s/travellking/travelling/ ←
14:07:00 <AxelPolleres> good idea to meet up @ ISWC, maybe we shall collect who's there
Axel Polleres: good idea to meet up @ ISWC, maybe we shall collect who's there ←
14:07:05 <chimezie> s/speaker/pgearon
s/speaker/pgearon ←
14:07:06 <chimezie> ty
ty ←
14:07:16 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/F2F2
Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/F2F2 ←
14:08:09 <chimezie> LeeF: want to start putting together agenda and logistics for F2F
Lee Feigenbaum: want to start putting together agenda and logistics for F2F ←
14:08:19 <AxelPolleres> collected so far planning to go to ISWC: steveH, chime, LeeF, AxelP
Axel Polleres: collected so far planning to go to ISWC: steveH, chime, LeeF, AxelP ←
14:08:27 <chimezie> ... need to know RSVP
... need to know RSVP ←
14:08:44 <SteveH> AlexPassant, also Greg Williams
Steve Harris: AlexPassant, also Greg Williams ←
14:09:00 <chimezie> LeeF:All organizations need to re-join group
Lee Feigenbaum: All organizations need to re-join group ←
14:09:06 <SteveH> AxelPolleres, and ericP
Steve Harris: AxelPolleres, and ericP ←
14:09:31 <LeeF> topic: Liaisons
14:09:38 <SteveH> LeeF, do you have a list of who's not rejoined?
Steve Harris: LeeF, do you have a list of who's not rejoined? ←
14:09:45 <ericP> nothing from XQuery or HCLS
Eric Prud'hommeaux: nothing from XQuery or HCLS ←
14:09:57 <ivanH> OWL is now really in PR
Ivan Herman: OWL is now really in PR ←
14:10:00 <AxelPolleres> riff is meeting today, but didn't have meeting last week
Axel Polleres: riff is meeting today, but didn't have meeting last week ←
14:10:00 <LeeF> SteveH, good question - I don't offhand but imagine ivanh might be able to compile one?
Lee Feigenbaum: SteveH, good question - I don't offhand but imagine ivanh might be able to compile one? ←
14:10:08 <AxelPolleres> s/riff/RIF/
Axel Polleres: s/riff/RIF/ ←
14:10:36 <chimezie> LeeF: Eric ask HCLS about F2F meeting at ISWC
Lee Feigenbaum: Eric ask HCLS about F2F meeting at ISWC ←
14:10:50 <chimezie> ericP: probably will involve usecases for distributed query and update
Eric Prud'hommeaux: probably will involve usecases for distributed query and update ←
14:11:35 <chimezie> LeeF:open actions
Lee Feigenbaum: open actions ←
14:11:52 <chimezie> Ori: who is leading RDB2RDF?
Orri Erling: who is leading RDB2RDF? ←
14:11:53 <LeeF> topic: actions & issues
14:12:08 <chimezie> s/Ori/Orri
s/Ori/Orri ←
14:12:12 <ivanh> To Orri: Harry Halpin Staff Contact, Ahmed Ezzat HP, Michael Hausenblas DERI
Ivan Herman: To Orri: Harry Halpin Staff Contact, Ahmed Ezzat HP, Michael Hausenblas DERI ←
14:12:14 <AndyS> http://www.w3.org/2009/08/rdb2rdf-charter
Andy Seaborne: http://www.w3.org/2009/08/rdb2rdf-charter ←
14:12:50 <chimezie> LeeF: looking at errata. Only looking at the diff
Lee Feigenbaum: looking at errata. Only looking at the diff ←
14:13:05 <chimezie> ... *then* merge content.
... *then* merge content. ←
14:13:22 <SteveH> yes
Steve Harris: yes ←
14:13:39 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/open
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/open ←
14:13:48 <chimezie> LeeF: looked at open issues - summarizing state of issues
Lee Feigenbaum: looked at open issues - summarizing state of issues ←
14:13:55 <LeeF> issues summary - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009JulSep/0419.html
Lee Feigenbaum: issues summary - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009JulSep/0419.html ←
14:14:39 <chimezie> ... will propose to resolve some issues (perhaps next week).
... will propose to resolve some issues (perhaps next week). ←
14:14:46 <AndyS> I took a look and they looked fine.
Andy Seaborne: I took a look and they looked fine. ←
14:15:11 <AxelPolleres> q+ to report on ACTION-98
Axel Polleres: q+ to report on ACTION-98 ←
14:15:18 <LeeF> ack AxelPolleres
Lee Feigenbaum: ack AxelPolleres ←
14:15:18 <Zakim> AxelPolleres, you wanted to report on ACTION-98
Zakim IRC Bot: AxelPolleres, you wanted to report on ACTION-98 ←
14:15:30 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me
Zakim, unmute me ←
14:15:31 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Chimezie_Ogbuji should no longer be muted ←
14:15:37 <LeeF> trackbot, close ACTION-98
Lee Feigenbaum: trackbot, close ACTION-98 ←
14:15:37 <trackbot> ACTION-98 Ask ivanh/eric whether we need to mention time permitting features in FPWD. closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-98 Ask ivanh/eric whether we need to mention time permitting features in FPWD. closed ←
14:16:56 <chimezie> ACTION-78 & ACTION-79 probably should be closed (can't go further)
ACTION-78 & ACTION-79 probably should be closed (can't go further) ←
14:17:05 <chimezie> w/out something to review, etc.
w/out something to review, etc. ←
14:17:20 <LeeF> trackbot, close ACTION-78
Lee Feigenbaum: trackbot, close ACTION-78 ←
14:17:20 <trackbot> ACTION-78 Continue discussion of update= vs. query= on the mailing list closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-78 Continue discussion of update= vs. query= on the mailing list closed ←
14:17:31 <Zakim> +??P43
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P43 ←
14:17:32 <chimezie> LeeF: Simon and I will work into update document
Lee Feigenbaum: Simon and I will work into update document ←
14:17:35 <SteveH> q+
Steve Harris: q+ ←
14:17:39 <KjetilK> Zakim, ??P43 is me
Kjetil Kjernsmo: Zakim, ??P43 is me ←
14:17:39 <Zakim> +KjetilK; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +KjetilK; got it ←
14:17:52 <KjetilK> Zakim, mute me
Kjetil Kjernsmo: Zakim, mute me ←
14:17:52 <Zakim> KjetilK should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: KjetilK should now be muted ←
14:18:19 <chimezie> SteveH: investigate use of single verb
Steve Harris: investigate use of single verb ←
14:18:26 <chimezie> ... for HAVING/FILTER
... for HAVING/FILTER ←
14:18:49 <LeeF> let's talk about HAVING vs. FILTER later
Lee Feigenbaum: let's talk about HAVING vs. FILTER later ←
14:18:50 <chimezie> LeeF: will discuss aggregate issue later today
Lee Feigenbaum: will discuss aggregate issue later today ←
14:18:53 <LeeF> trackbot, close ACTION-78
Lee Feigenbaum: trackbot, close ACTION-78 ←
14:18:53 <trackbot> ACTION-78 Continue discussion of update= vs. query= on the mailing list closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-78 Continue discussion of update= vs. query= on the mailing list closed ←
14:19:02 <LeeF> trackbot, close ACTION-79
Lee Feigenbaum: trackbot, close ACTION-79 ←
14:19:03 <trackbot> ACTION-79 Continue forward with aggregates w.r.t test cases, HAVING/FILTER clause, ISSUE-35, ... closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-79 Continue forward with aggregates w.r.t test cases, HAVING/FILTER clause, ISSUE-35, ... closed ←
14:19:22 <chimezie> LeeF: any other action to close?
Lee Feigenbaum: any other action to close? ←
14:19:48 <chimezie> ... Andy asked about tracking issues in task forces
... Andy asked about tracking issues in task forces ←
14:20:03 <chimezie> LeeF: Chairs will monitor and will elevate outstanding issues
Lee Feigenbaum: Chairs will monitor and will elevate outstanding issues ←
14:20:30 <Zakim> -EricP
Zakim IRC Bot: -EricP ←
14:20:34 <chimezie> ... scalability concerns, etc..
... scalability concerns, etc.. ←
14:20:42 <Zakim> +EricP
Zakim IRC Bot: +EricP ←
14:21:06 <chimezie> ... members bring forth issues if they think they need to be raised. does that work?
... members bring forth issues if they think they need to be raised. does that work? ←
14:21:07 <ericP> +1
Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 ←
14:21:09 <bglimm> +1
Birte Glimm: +1 ←
14:21:11 <SteveH> +1
Steve Harris: +1 ←
14:21:24 <AndyS> +1 (label issues with TF-XXX?)
Andy Seaborne: +1 (label issues with TF-XXX?) ←
14:21:32 <bglimm> we could use a prefix, like for emails
Birte Glimm: we could use a prefix, like for emails ←
14:21:46 <AxelPolleres> +1 (good idea to label)
Axel Polleres: +1 (good idea to label) ←
14:22:00 <LeeF> topic: FPWDs
14:22:21 <Zakim> +Prateek
Zakim IRC Bot: +Prateek ←
14:23:03 <chimezie> LeeF: (to team contacts). How do reviewers raise technical issues? What should reviewers look for towards FPWD
Lee Feigenbaum: (to team contacts). How do reviewers raise technical issues? What should reviewers look for towards FPWD ←
14:23:06 <ericP> +1
Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 ←
14:23:10 <AndyS> DAWG?
Andy Seaborne: DAWG? ←
14:24:02 <chimezie> IvanH: there is no obvious process other than general formatting, etc. nothing specific
Ivan Herman: there is no obvious process other than general formatting, etc. nothing specific ←
14:24:46 <AxelPolleres> to be checked technical issues, abstract, formatting
Axel Polleres: to be checked technical issues, abstract, formatting ←
14:25:02 <SteveH> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/
Steve Harris: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/ ←
14:25:32 <AxelPolleres> Reviewers for query from last time: birte, Lee
Axel Polleres: Reviewers for query from last time: birte, Lee ←
14:25:37 <bglimm> I volunteered
Birte Glimm: I volunteered ←
14:26:05 <chimezie> SteveH: no mention of aggregate functions. generally rough. grammar needs cleaning up
Steve Harris: no mention of aggregate functions. generally rough. grammar needs cleaning up ←
14:26:19 <chimezie> LeeF: have open issue regarding exact collection of aggregate functions. COUNT, etc..
Lee Feigenbaum: have open issue regarding exact collection of aggregate functions. COUNT, etc.. ←
14:27:21 <chimezie> AndyS: do we want to freeze that? I wanted to flesh out content
Andy Seaborne: do we want to freeze that? I wanted to flesh out content ←
14:27:27 <SteveH> q+
Steve Harris: q+ ←
14:27:34 <chimezie> LeeF: for FPWD , I'm not concerned about a frozen version
Lee Feigenbaum: for FPWD , I'm not concerned about a frozen version ←
14:28:02 <LeeF> ack SteveH
Lee Feigenbaum: ack SteveH ←
14:28:18 <chimezie> SteveH: not happy having email address on document
Steve Harris: not happy having email address on document ←
14:28:26 <chimezie> ... can I have link to a home page instead?
... can I have link to a home page instead? ←
14:28:34 <LeeF> ACTION: Birte to review http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/ for FPWD readiness
ACTION: Birte to review http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/ for FPWD readiness ←
14:28:34 <trackbot> Created ACTION-99 - Review http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/ for FPWD readiness [on Birte Glimm - due 2009-10-06].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-99 - Review http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/ for FPWD readiness [on Birte Glimm - due 2009-10-06]. ←
14:28:37 <bglimm> ok
Birte Glimm: ok ←
14:28:39 <LeeF> ACTION: Lee to review http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/ for FPWD readiness
ACTION: Lee to review http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/ for FPWD readiness ←
14:28:39 <trackbot> Created ACTION-100 - Review http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/ for FPWD readiness [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2009-10-06].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-100 - Review http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/ for FPWD readiness [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2009-10-06]. ←
14:28:51 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.0/
Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.0/ ←
14:29:17 <AxelPolleres> reviewers for SPARQL/Update: Steve, Luke, Lee
Axel Polleres: reviewers for SPARQL/Update: Steve, Luke, Lee ←
14:29:24 <chimezie> pgearon: was unavailable
Paul Gearon: was unavailable ←
14:29:48 <AxelPolleres> I actually missed my own volunteering on reviewing Query... adding action...
Axel Polleres: I actually missed my own volunteering on reviewing Query... adding action... ←
14:30:01 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel o review http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/ for FPWD readiness
ACTION: Axel o review http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/ for FPWD readiness ←
14:30:01 <trackbot> Created ACTION-101 - O review http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/ for FPWD readiness [on Axel Polleres - due 2009-10-06].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-101 - O review http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/ for FPWD readiness [on Axel Polleres - due 2009-10-06]. ←
14:30:01 <chimezie> pgearon: I will catch up with other editor
Paul Gearon: I will catch up with other editor ←
14:30:32 <LeeF> ACTION: Paul to notify Steve, Luke, and Lee when /Update is ready for FPWD review
ACTION: Paul to notify Steve, Luke, and Lee when /Update is ready for FPWD review ←
14:30:33 <trackbot> Created ACTION-102 - Notify Steve, Luke, and Lee when /Update is ready for FPWD review [on Paul Gearon - due 2009-10-06].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-102 - Notify Steve, Luke, and Lee when /Update is ready for FPWD review [on Paul Gearon - due 2009-10-06]. ←
14:31:05 <chimezie> LeeF: simon and i discussed the protocol document and sent course of action to list
Lee Feigenbaum: simon and i discussed the protocol document and sent course of action to list ←
14:31:18 <chimezie> ... waiting on simon to get setup with CVS access
... waiting on simon to get setup with CVS access ←
14:31:18 <AndyS> q+
Andy Seaborne: q+ ←
14:31:38 <AxelPolleres> reviewers for http-update: simonKJ, simonS, Lee
Axel Polleres: reviewers for http-update: simonKJ, simonS, Lee ←
14:31:48 <AxelPolleres> reviewers for protocol-1.1: Axel Alex
Axel Polleres: reviewers for protocol-1.1: Axel Alex ←
14:31:53 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/protocol-1.1/Overview.xml
Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/protocol-1.1/Overview.xml ←
14:32:17 <chimezie> LeeF: a few areas about lack of support for XSLT
Lee Feigenbaum: a few areas about lack of support for XSLT ←
14:32:33 <LeeF> q?
Lee Feigenbaum: q? ←
14:32:45 <chimezie> ericP: need to extend the 'standard'..
Eric Prud'hommeaux: need to extend the 'standard'.. ←
14:33:32 <LeeF> ACTION: Simon Johnston and Lee to notify Axel and Alex when /Protocol is ready for FPWD review
ACTION: Simon Johnston and Lee to notify Axel and Alex when /Protocol is ready for FPWD review ←
14:33:32 <trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - Simon
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - Simon ←
14:33:32 <trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. sjohnsto2, sschenk)
Trackbot IRC Bot: Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. sjohnsto2, sschenk) ←
14:33:42 <LeeF> ACTION: sjohnsto2 and Lee to notify Axel and Alex when /Protocol is ready for FPWD review
ACTION: sjohnsto2 and Lee to notify Axel and Alex when /Protocol is ready for FPWD review ←
14:33:42 <trackbot> Created ACTION-103 - And Lee to notify Axel and Alex when /Protocol is ready for FPWD review [on Simon Johnston - due 2009-10-06].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-103 - And Lee to notify Axel and Alex when /Protocol is ready for FPWD review [on Simon Johnston - due 2009-10-06]. ←
14:34:00 <LeeF> ack AndyS
Lee Feigenbaum: ack AndyS ←
14:34:11 <chimezie> AndyS: converting query 1.0 document to XML format
Andy Seaborne: converting query 1.0 document to XML format ←
14:34:26 <LeeF> Gist of current discussion is that we're editing the docs in XML and the xml-spec XSL needs to be updated to support all the XML tags we use before we actually publish the docs
Lee Feigenbaum: Gist of current discussion is that we're editing the docs in XML and the xml-spec XSL needs to be updated to support all the XML tags we use before we actually publish the docs ←
14:34:33 <chimezie> ericP: brought text into emacs, then did REGEX s/repl on various elements
Eric Prud'hommeaux: brought text into emacs, then did REGEX s/repl on various elements ←
14:34:56 <chimezie> ... no references
... no references ←
14:35:09 <chimezie> AndyS: how are you doing that?
Andy Seaborne: how are you doing that? ←
14:36:01 <LeeF> ACTION: eric to xml-spec'ify the SPARQL Query/1.0 document
ACTION: eric to xml-spec'ify the SPARQL Query/1.0 document ←
14:36:01 <trackbot> Created ACTION-104 - Xml-spec'ify the SPARQL Query/1.0 document [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2009-10-06].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-104 - Xml-spec'ify the SPARQL Query/1.0 document [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2009-10-06]. ←
14:37:18 <chimezie> ericP: [.. gives instructions to AndyS .. for XML processing infrastructure ]
Eric Prud'hommeaux: [.. gives instructions to AndyS .. for XML processing infrastructure ] ←
14:37:50 <SimonKJ> q+
Simon Johnston: q+ ←
14:37:55 <LeeF> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009JulSep/0416.html
Lee Feigenbaum: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009JulSep/0416.html ←
14:38:04 <LeeF> ack SimonKJ
Lee Feigenbaum: ack SimonKJ ←
14:38:34 <chimezie> SimonKJ: What browsers should be used with that (problems in safari / chrome)
Simon Johnston: What browsers should be used with that (problems in safari / chrome) ←
14:38:45 <chimezie> ericP: depends on stylesheet implementation
Eric Prud'hommeaux: depends on stylesheet implementation ←
14:39:00 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/
Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/ ←
14:39:05 <SimonKJ> confirmed, renders correctly in Firefox
Simon Johnston: confirmed, renders correctly in Firefox ←
14:40:45 <AndyS> I'll review formally and write email.
Andy Seaborne: I'll review formally and write email. ←
14:40:54 <LeeF> Andy, thanks
Lee Feigenbaum: Andy, thanks ←
14:41:02 <LeeF> SteveH and kjetil, are you interested in reviewing it?
Lee Feigenbaum: SteveH and kjetil, are you interested in reviewing it? ←
14:41:19 <KjetilK> Zakim, unmute me
Kjetil Kjernsmo: Zakim, unmute me ←
14:41:19 <Zakim> KjetilK should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: KjetilK should no longer be muted ←
14:41:58 <AxelPolleres> reviewers (from last time) for http-update: member:simonKJ, simonS, Lee
Axel Polleres: reviewers (from last time) for http-update: member:simonKJ, simonS, Lee ←
14:42:47 <chimezie> LeeF: [ .. asks around for reviewers .. ]
Lee Feigenbaum: [ .. asks around for reviewers .. ] ←
14:42:54 <chimezie> simonK: happy to review
Simon Johnston: happy to review ←
14:43:10 <LeeF> ACTION: Andy to review http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/
ACTION: Andy to review http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/ ←
14:43:10 <trackbot> Created ACTION-105 - Review http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/ [on Andy Seaborne - due 2009-10-06].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-105 - Review http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/ [on Andy Seaborne - due 2009-10-06]. ←
14:43:16 <KjetilK> q+
Kjetil Kjernsmo: q+ ←
14:43:17 <chimezie> ty
ty ←
14:43:51 <chimezie> KjetilK: been outside of group and remembered simon and I had opposing proposals for update
Kjetil Kjernsmo: been outside of group and remembered simon and I had opposing proposals for update ←
14:44:01 <LeeF> ACTION: sjohnsto2 to review http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/
ACTION: sjohnsto2 to review http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/ ←
14:44:01 <trackbot> Created ACTION-106 - Review http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/ [on Simon Johnston - due 2009-10-06].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-106 - Review http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/ [on Simon Johnston - due 2009-10-06]. ←
14:44:04 <chimezie> LeeF: hopefully review raises those issues
Lee Feigenbaum: hopefully review raises those issues ←
14:44:12 <LeeF> ACTION: kjetil to review http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/
ACTION: kjetil to review http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/ ←
14:44:12 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - kjetil
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - kjetil ←
14:44:16 <KjetilK> Zakim, mute me
Kjetil Kjernsmo: Zakim, mute me ←
14:44:16 <Zakim> KjetilK should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: KjetilK should now be muted ←
14:44:19 <KjetilK> Zakim, unmute me
Kjetil Kjernsmo: Zakim, unmute me ←
14:44:19 <Zakim> KjetilK should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: KjetilK should no longer be muted ←
14:44:30 <LeeF> ACTION: Lee to make sure that Kjetil reviews http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/
ACTION: Lee to make sure that Kjetil reviews http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/ ←
14:44:30 <trackbot> Created ACTION-107 - Make sure that Kjetil reviews http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/ [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2009-10-06].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-107 - Make sure that Kjetil reviews http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/ [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2009-10-06]. ←
14:44:31 <AndyS> chimezie, do you prefer commenst as ready or all at once?
Andy Seaborne: chimezie, do you prefer commenst as ready or all at once? ←
14:44:38 <KjetilK> Zakim, mute me
Kjetil Kjernsmo: Zakim, mute me ←
14:44:38 <Zakim> KjetilK should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: KjetilK should now be muted ←
14:44:48 <chimezie> I prefer all at once
I prefer all at once ←
14:44:56 <AndyS> OK - will batch
Andy Seaborne: OK - will batch ←
14:47:32 <kasei> Zakim, unmute me
Greg Williams: Zakim, unmute me ←
14:47:32 <Zakim> kasei should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: kasei should no longer be muted ←
14:47:55 <kasei> sketch of service description doc: http://kasei.us/2009/09/sparql/sd.txt
Greg Williams: sketch of service description doc: http://kasei.us/2009/09/sparql/sd.txt ←
14:48:51 <LeeF> AxelPolleres, who were our reviewers signed up for SD?
Lee Feigenbaum: AxelPolleres, who were our reviewers signed up for SD? ←
14:49:22 <chimezie> kasei: format needs fleshing out.
Greg Williams: format needs fleshing out. ←
14:49:29 <chimezie> Zakim, who is on the phone?
Zakim, who is on the phone? ←
14:49:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see [Garlik], LeeF, kasei, OlivierCorby, Chimezie_Ogbuji, bglimm (muted), AxelPolleres, AndyS, pgearon, Ivanh, AlexPassant, EricP, SimonKJ, Orri, KjetilK (muted),
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see [Garlik], LeeF, kasei, OlivierCorby, Chimezie_Ogbuji, bglimm (muted), AxelPolleres, AndyS, pgearon, Ivanh, AlexPassant, EricP, SimonKJ, Orri, KjetilK (muted), ←
14:49:32 <Zakim> ... Prateek
Zakim IRC Bot: ... Prateek ←
14:49:34 <chimezie> LeeF: any completeness issues
Lee Feigenbaum: any completeness issues ←
14:49:56 <chimezie> kasei: if everyone is onboard with email proposal (limiting scope of vocabulary),
Greg Williams: if everyone is onboard with email proposal (limiting scope of vocabulary), ←
14:50:20 <chimezie> ... only big issue is fleshed out discussion of discovery (conneg, RDFa, etc.). no missing parts, however
... only big issue is fleshed out discussion of discovery (conneg, RDFa, etc.). no missing parts, however ←
14:50:25 <chimezie> LeeF: get people reviewing
Lee Feigenbaum: get people reviewing ←
14:51:14 <LeeF> ACTION: sjohnsto2 to review http://kasei.us/2009/09/sparql/sd.txt for FPWD readiness (modulo formatting)
ACTION: sjohnsto2 to review http://kasei.us/2009/09/sparql/sd.txt for FPWD readiness (modulo formatting) ←
14:51:14 <trackbot> Created ACTION-108 - Review http://kasei.us/2009/09/sparql/sd.txt for FPWD readiness (modulo formatting) [on Simon Johnston - due 2009-10-06].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-108 - Review http://kasei.us/2009/09/sparql/sd.txt for FPWD readiness (modulo formatting) [on Simon Johnston - due 2009-10-06]. ←
14:51:24 <LeeF> ACTION: Axel to review http://kasei.us/2009/09/sparql/sd.txt for FPWD readiness (modulo formatting)
ACTION: Axel to review http://kasei.us/2009/09/sparql/sd.txt for FPWD readiness (modulo formatting) ←
14:51:24 <trackbot> Created ACTION-109 - Review http://kasei.us/2009/09/sparql/sd.txt for FPWD readiness (modulo formatting) [on Axel Polleres - due 2009-10-06].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-109 - Review http://kasei.us/2009/09/sparql/sd.txt for FPWD readiness (modulo formatting) [on Axel Polleres - due 2009-10-06]. ←
14:51:39 <LeeF> ACTION: Lee to review http://kasei.us/2009/09/sparql/sd.txt for FPWD readiness (modulo formatting)
ACTION: Lee to review http://kasei.us/2009/09/sparql/sd.txt for FPWD readiness (modulo formatting) ←
14:51:40 <trackbot> Created ACTION-110 - Review http://kasei.us/2009/09/sparql/sd.txt for FPWD readiness (modulo formatting) [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2009-10-06].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-110 - Review http://kasei.us/2009/09/sparql/sd.txt for FPWD readiness (modulo formatting) [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2009-10-06]. ←
14:52:37 <chimezie> topic: TF-PP starting points
14:52:37 <AxelPolleres> +1 to pull PP forward, didn't really have a chance to prepare on Entailment yet, my bad.
Axel Polleres: +1 to pull PP forward, didn't really have a chance to prepare on Entailment yet, my bad. ←
14:52:41 <chimezie> LeeF: happy with email responses?
Lee Feigenbaum: happy with email responses? ←
14:52:49 <chimezie> AndyS: fine on mailing list
Andy Seaborne: fine on mailing list ←
14:53:40 <SteveH> I'd like to hear from implementors
Steve Harris: I'd like to hear from implementors ←
14:53:41 <chimezie> LeeF: any other issues beyond email dialog?
Lee Feigenbaum: any other issues beyond email dialog? ←
14:53:58 <SteveH> also, I think my vote for 2 goes from 0 to -1, I've heard scary things
Steve Harris: also, I think my vote for 2 goes from 0 to -1, I've heard scary things ←
14:54:09 <kasei> Zakim, mute me
Greg Williams: Zakim, mute me ←
14:54:09 <Zakim> kasei should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: kasei should now be muted ←
14:54:37 <chimezie> topic: TF-ENT issues
14:54:45 <bglimm> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Design:EntailmentRegimes
Birte Glimm: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Design:EntailmentRegimes ←
14:54:59 <bglimm> There is quite a bit to do still
Birte Glimm: There is quite a bit to do still ←
14:55:36 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, unmute me ←
14:55:36 <Zakim> bglimm should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should no longer be muted ←
14:55:47 <chimezie> LeeF: AndyS asked about requirements
Lee Feigenbaum: AndyS asked about requirements ←
14:56:20 <chimezie> ... how do we (in timely fashion) to where we are in agreement on requirements
... how do we (in timely fashion) to where we are in agreement on requirements ←
14:56:25 <bglimm> q+ to ask about SHOULD MUST or MAY
Birte Glimm: q+ to ask about SHOULD MUST or MAY ←
14:56:28 <chimezie> ... and what problem we are trying to solve
... and what problem we are trying to solve ←
14:56:31 <KjetilK> q-
Kjetil Kjernsmo: q- ←
14:56:38 <LeeF> ack bglimm
Lee Feigenbaum: ack bglimm ←
14:56:38 <Zakim> bglimm, you wanted to ask about SHOULD MUST or MAY
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm, you wanted to ask about SHOULD MUST or MAY ←
14:57:02 <chimezie> bglimm: one argument was regarding consistency tests for RDFS. inconsistent KB or RDFS graph would entail any consequence
Birte Glimm: one argument was regarding consistency tests for RDFS. inconsistent KB or RDFS graph would entail any consequence ←
14:57:07 <chimezie> ... andy suggested turning into MAY
... andy suggested turning into MAY ←
14:57:19 <chimezie> ... against RDFS entailment. SHOULD is preferred
... against RDFS entailment. SHOULD is preferred ←
14:57:40 <pgearon> +q
Paul Gearon: +q ←
14:57:50 <chimezie> AndyS: initial question is regarding what we are addressing
Andy Seaborne: initial question is regarding what we are addressing ←
14:58:09 <chimezie> i think the usecase addressed is well motivated by current document
i think the usecase addressed is well motivated by current document ←
14:58:09 <bglimm> well, we want RDFS entailment and we want scalable
Birte Glimm: well, we want RDFS entailment and we want scalable ←
14:58:18 <AxelPolleres> q+
Axel Polleres: q+ ←
14:58:37 <chimezie> AndyS: are we enabling rule-based engines. what happens about lack of soundess/completeness?
Andy Seaborne: are we enabling rule-based engines. what happens about lack of soundess/completeness? ←
14:59:20 <chimezie> i.e., lack of additional answers that follow from more than explicit matching (i.e., vocabulary based interpretations)
i.e., lack of additional answers that follow from more than explicit matching (i.e., vocabulary based interpretations) ←
14:59:36 <bglimm> I think we can have something like OWL RL, but I would like to give explanations on when implementations are incomplete
Birte Glimm: I think we can have something like OWL RL, but I would like to give explanations on when implementations are incomplete ←
15:00:04 <AxelPolleres> q-
Axel Polleres: q- ←
15:00:14 <AxelPolleres> (will do this on the mailinglist)
Axel Polleres: (will do this on the mailinglist) ←
15:00:16 <chimezie> pgearon: concerned about practical aspects of inconsistent RDF graph returning everythin
Paul Gearon: concerned about practical aspects of inconsistent RDF graph returning everythin ←
15:00:36 <chimezie> ... w/out sufficient bindings, alot of patterns could theoretically return infinite set (won't make much sense)
... w/out sufficient bindings, alot of patterns could theoretically return infinite set (won't make much sense) ←
15:00:44 <AxelPolleres> q+ to now still mention something.
Axel Polleres: q+ to now still mention something. ←
15:00:45 <Zakim> -Orri
Zakim IRC Bot: -Orri ←
15:01:13 <chimezie> ... not sure how infinite set will work
... not sure how infinite set will work ←
15:01:29 <bglimm> Yes, as I understand Andy, he said that he can guarantee that he would either return some answers (which are sound) and then stop without finding the inconsistency or he finds it and then stops
Birte Glimm: Yes, as I understand Andy, he said that he can guarantee that he would either return some answers (which are sound) and then stop without finding the inconsistency or he finds it and then stops ←
15:01:37 <chimezie> we already require that queries are safe WRT current SPARQL
we already require that queries are safe WRT current SPARQL ←
15:01:38 <LeeF> ack AxelPolleres
Lee Feigenbaum: ack AxelPolleres ←
15:01:38 <Zakim> AxelPolleres, you wanted to now still mention something.
Zakim IRC Bot: AxelPolleres, you wanted to now still mention something. ←
15:01:44 <LeeF> ack pgearon
Lee Feigenbaum: ack pgearon ←
15:02:04 <bglimm> yes
Birte Glimm: yes ←
15:02:09 <AndyS> bglimm, no.
Andy Seaborne: bglimm, no. ←
15:02:20 <bglimm> ok, explain
Birte Glimm: ok, explain ←
15:02:30 <chimezie> AxelPolleres: legal graphs are RDFS consistent..already prescribed.
Axel Polleres: legal graphs are RDFS consistent..already prescribed. ←
15:02:54 <chimezie> AndyS: i want a list of requirements to measure design against
Andy Seaborne: i want a list of requirements to measure design against ←
15:03:08 <ivanh> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:03:09 <chimezie> q+ dont' we already have requiremnts?
q+ dont' we already have requiremnts? ←
15:04:18 <ivanh> q-
Ivan Herman: q- ←
15:04:25 <LeeF> q= chimezie
Lee Feigenbaum: q= chimezie ←
15:04:26 <chimezie> AndyS: we need to consider protocol implications
Andy Seaborne: we need to consider protocol implications ←
15:04:28 <LeeF> q+ chimezie
Lee Feigenbaum: q+ chimezie ←
15:04:42 <ivanh> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:05:01 <chimezie> bglimm: non terminating system will seem 'okay'
Birte Glimm: non terminating system will seem 'okay' ←
15:05:13 <LeeF> ack chimezie
Lee Feigenbaum: ack chimezie ←
15:05:58 <bglimm> Yes, and one thing is that entailment regimes must say how they guarantee that a system will always return a finite set of answers
Birte Glimm: Yes, and one thing is that entailment regimes must say how they guarantee that a system will always return a finite set of answers ←
15:06:22 <bglimm> There is a list of 4 requirements that entailment regimes must specify
Birte Glimm: There is a list of 4 requirements that entailment regimes must specify ←
15:06:45 <bglimm> Yes, you can allow incomplete systems, for example
Birte Glimm: Yes, you can allow incomplete systems, for example ←
15:08:01 <AxelPolleres> "The effect of a query on an inconsistent graph is not covered by this specification, but must be specified by the particular SPARQL extension." is all I find in the current spec.
Axel Polleres: "The effect of a query on an inconsistent graph is not covered by this specification, but must be specified by the particular SPARQL extension." is all I find in the current spec. ←
15:08:09 <LeeF> ack ivanh
Lee Feigenbaum: ack ivanh ←
15:08:25 <AxelPolleres> ... but this suggests that we have to define a behavior.
Axel Polleres: ... but this suggests that we have to define a behavior. ←
15:08:25 <AxelPolleres>
15:08:44 <chimezie> bglimm: is this the case that a claim about error is not required in addition to the guarantee of safe queries?
Birte Glimm: is this the case that a claim about error is not required in addition to the guarantee of safe queries? ←
15:08:48 <AxelPolleres> ayways, I think for FPWD, it is enough to list the options.
Axel Polleres: ayways, I think for FPWD, it is enough to list the options. ←
15:09:01 <LeeF> ISSUE: TF-ENT What should happen for RDFS entailment in the face of inconsistencies?
ISSUE: TF-ENT What should happen for RDFS entailment in the face of inconsistencies? ←
15:09:01 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-42 - TF-ENT What should happen for RDFS entailment in the face of inconsistencies? ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/42/edit .
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ISSUE-42 - TF-ENT What should happen for RDFS entailment in the face of inconsistencies? ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/42/edit . ←
15:09:06 <chimezie> er.. i didn't mean to scribe that in such a way
er.. i didn't mean to scribe that in such a way ←
15:09:13 <chimezie> s/bglimm:/bglimm,
s/bglimm:/bglimm, ←
15:09:34 <chimezie> AndyS: talking about if we must check for inconsistency *before* answering the question?
Andy Seaborne: talking about if we must check for inconsistency *before* answering the question? ←
15:09:41 <bglimm> I agree with Ivanh
Birte Glimm: I agree with Ivanh ←
15:09:49 <chimezie> Ivanh: valid question, need to answer it
Ivan Herman: valid question, need to answer it ←
15:09:50 <LeeF> related to ISSUE-42: Related - do you have to check a graph for consistency to deliver answers for RDFS entailment
Lee Feigenbaum: related to ISSUE-42: Related - do you have to check a graph for consistency to deliver answers for RDFS entailment ←
15:09:50 <trackbot> ISSUE-42 TF-ENT What should happen for RDFS entailment in the face of inconsistencies? notes added
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-42 TF-ENT What should happen for RDFS entailment in the face of inconsistencies? notes added ←
15:10:10 <chimezie> Ivanh: shouldn't be part of the document
Ivan Herman: shouldn't be part of the document ←
15:10:23 <chimezie> AndyS: want a requirements phase/discussion
Andy Seaborne: want a requirements phase/discussion ←
15:10:58 <chimezie> If we tease out error handling, expectation, safety of queries, this might clarify the discussion
If we tease out error handling, expectation, safety of queries, this might clarify the discussion ←
15:11:40 <bglimm> Andy, I did send this around to get feedback. If you say that some aspect causes difficulties with certain implementation techniques that is valueable feedback, but please explain what actually is the problem, what ways do we have to solve that etc
Birte Glimm: Andy, I did send this around to get feedback. If you say that some aspect causes difficulties with certain implementation techniques that is valueable feedback, but please explain what actually is the problem, what ways do we have to solve that etc ←
15:12:28 <kasei> I share Andy's concerns.
Greg Williams: I share Andy's concerns. ←
15:12:38 <pgearon> +1
Paul Gearon: +1 ←
15:12:57 <chimezie> for BGP queries solved in a top-down fashion, you aren't doing validity checking, but are answering a question against a known fact base
for BGP queries solved in a top-down fashion, you aren't doing validity checking, but are answering a question against a known fact base ←
15:13:08 <AxelPolleres> I see here the following options: the current spec just says that the effect has to be specified, it doesn't prescribe that these could be specified as implementation-dependent. Let's just summarize the options for FPWD.
Axel Polleres: I see here the following options: the current spec just says that the effect has to be specified, it doesn't prescribe that these could be specified as implementation-dependent. Let's just summarize the options for FPWD. ←
15:13:08 <ivanh> for the records: I do share Andy's technical concerns!
Ivan Herman: for the records: I do share Andy's technical concerns! ←
15:13:57 <chimezie> LeeF: was suggesting we proceed in a way to better collect requirements
Lee Feigenbaum: was suggesting we proceed in a way to better collect requirements ←
15:13:57 <SteveH> q+
Steve Harris: q+ ←
15:14:09 <chimezie> AndyS: happy if requirements phase is not explicit
Andy Seaborne: happy if requirements phase is not explicit ←
15:14:09 <LeeF> q?
Lee Feigenbaum: q? ←
15:14:21 <LeeF> ack SteveH
Lee Feigenbaum: ack SteveH ←
15:14:54 <chimezie> SteveH: shares Andy's concern it is not obvious what kind of systems are being targeted by current proposal
Steve Harris: shares Andy's concern it is not obvious what kind of systems are being targeted by current proposal ←
15:15:32 <chimezie> bglimm: The systems will be different. I'm using OWL reasoner - different approach . if there are wording problems let me know
Birte Glimm: The systems will be different. I'm using OWL reasoner - different approach . if there are wording problems let me know ←
15:15:40 <ivanh> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:17:32 <chimezie> LeeF: first time around, specification defines answers.
Lee Feigenbaum: first time around, specification defines answers. ←
15:17:50 <chimezie> ... then while debating technical points. arguements were based on implementation technique
... then while debating technical points. arguements were based on implementation technique ←
15:18:33 <kasei> I thought that's just what Andy has done... (?)
Greg Williams: I thought that's just what Andy has done... (?) ←
15:19:01 <LeeF> kasei, right, i think that's exactly what Andy has done
Lee Feigenbaum: kasei, right, i think that's exactly what Andy has done ←
15:19:17 <chimezie> LeeF: i might not be able to scribe too much longer :(
Lee Feigenbaum: i might not be able to scribe too much longer :( ←
15:19:26 <LeeF> chimezie, no prob - thanks for scribing
Lee Feigenbaum: chimezie, no prob - thanks for scribing ←
15:19:29 <chimezie> Ivanh: should i as an implementor check consistency and what do I do if I find them?
Ivan Herman: should i as an implementor check consistency and what do I do if I find them? ←
15:19:34 <AxelPolleres> I can take over...
Axel Polleres: I can take over... ←
15:19:51 <AxelPolleres> scribe: Axel Polleres
(Scribe set to Axel Polleres)
15:20:15 <LukeWM> 90 minutes is a long time, chimezie
Luke Wilson-Mawer: 90 minutes is a long time, chimezie ←
15:20:31 <AxelPolleres> Ivanh: 2 questions, a) should inconsistency always be checked b) what is to be done in case
Ivan Herman: 2 questions, a) should inconsistency always be checked b) what is to be done in case ←
15:20:47 <AxelPolleres> LeeF: Birte can you summarize these?
Lee Feigenbaum: Birte can you summarize these? ←
15:20:47 <LeeF> q?
Lee Feigenbaum: q? ←
15:20:49 <LeeF> ack ivanh
Lee Feigenbaum: ack ivanh ←
15:21:18 <ivanh> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:21:28 <AxelPolleres> LeeF: we need more formal reviews.
Lee Feigenbaum: we need more formal reviews. ←
15:21:42 <AxelPolleres> ... what's ready to review.
... what's ready to review. ←
15:21:54 <AxelPolleres> Birte: only RDFS part ready for review.
Birte Glimm: only RDFS part ready for review. ←
15:22:16 <AxelPolleres> LeeF: happy to wait.
Lee Feigenbaum: happy to wait. ←
15:22:40 <AxelPolleres> Birte: Let's reach more agreement on RDFS first.
Birte Glimm: Let's reach more agreement on RDFS first. ←
15:23:19 <AxelPolleres> Andy & Birte discussing whether MUST->MAY is sufficient or not.
Andy & Birte discussing whether MUST->MAY is sufficient or not. ←
15:23:32 <AxelPolleres> q+
q+ ←
15:24:06 <AxelPolleres> ivanh: ready to review, but next week is difficult, question of timing.
Ivan Herman: ready to review, but next week is difficult, question of timing. ←
15:24:16 <LeeF> ACTION: ivanh to review RDFS part of http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Design:EntailmentRegimes as time permits him
ACTION: ivanh to review RDFS part of http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Design:EntailmentRegimes as time permits him ←
15:24:16 <trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - ivanh
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - ivanh ←
15:24:16 <trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. ivanh, imikhail)
Trackbot IRC Bot: Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. ivanh, imikhail) ←
15:24:20 <chimezie> bglimm: if a system is doing proper RDFS consistency checking, this is at least a superset of what it needs to do in order to answer queries (even semi-niavely)
Birte Glimm: if a system is doing proper RDFS consistency checking, this is at least a superset of what it needs to do in order to answer queries (even semi-niavely) [ Scribe Assist by Chime Ogbuji ] ←
15:24:23 <LeeF> ACTION: ivanh to review RDFS part of http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Design:EntailmentRegimes as time permits him
ACTION: ivanh to review RDFS part of http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Design:EntailmentRegimes as time permits him ←
15:24:23 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - ivanh
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - ivanh ←
15:24:31 <LeeF> ACTION: Lee to make sure IvanH reviews RDFS part of http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Design:EntailmentRegimes as time permits him
ACTION: Lee to make sure IvanH reviews RDFS part of http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Design:EntailmentRegimes as time permits him ←
15:24:31 <trackbot> Created ACTION-111 - Make sure IvanH reviews RDFS part of http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Design:EntailmentRegimes as time permits him [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2009-10-06].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-111 - Make sure IvanH reviews RDFS part of http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Design:EntailmentRegimes as time permits him [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2009-10-06]. ←
15:24:47 <AxelPolleres> ... another thing which should be mentioned is RIF and OWL RL.
... another thing which should be mentioned is RIF and OWL RL. ←
15:24:49 <bglimm> I added a template section for RIF and OWL RL
Birte Glimm: I added a template section for RIF and OWL RL ←
15:25:02 <AndyS> Suggest an example with a simple case like subClassOf (editorial)
Andy Seaborne: Suggest an example with a simple case like subClassOf (editorial) ←
15:25:08 <AxelPolleres> LeeF: agreed.
Lee Feigenbaum: agreed. ←
15:25:10 <bglimm> and D-etnailemnt
Birte Glimm: and D-etnailemnt ←
15:25:22 <LeeF> q?
Lee Feigenbaum: q? ←
15:25:24 <Zakim> -Chimezie_Ogbuji
Zakim IRC Bot: -Chimezie_Ogbuji ←
15:25:25 <LeeF> ack ivanh
Lee Feigenbaum: ack ivanh ←
15:26:09 <AxelPolleres> Axel: will try to add something on the RIF part.
Axel Polleres: will try to add something on the RIF part. ←
15:26:26 <AxelPolleres> ... and give the remaining doc a thorough review.
... and give the remaining doc a thorough review. ←
15:26:50 <AxelPolleres> LeeF: looks like we are on track for the rquired docs with regards reviews
Lee Feigenbaum: looks like we are on track for the rquired docs with regards reviews ←
15:27:09 <AxelPolleres> ... F&R should be possible to publish without too much discussion.
... F&R should be possible to publish without too much discussion. ←
15:27:21 <AxelPolleres> ... 90mins is long.
... 90mins is long. ←
15:27:59 <bglimm> I think I can write mine until Monday and send it by email, but I'll be away on Tuesday
Birte Glimm: I think I can write mine until Monday and send it by email, but I'll be away on Tuesday ←
15:28:27 <SteveH> I can't do anything my monday either
Steve Harris: I can't do anything my monday either ←
15:28:28 <Zakim> -Ivanh
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivanh ←
15:28:31 <SteveH> by
Steve Harris: by ←
15:28:49 <ericP> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/rq25.xml
Eric Prud'hommeaux: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/rq25.xml ←
15:28:50 <LeeF> AxelPolleres, any chance you can do the minutes dance?
Lee Feigenbaum: AxelPolleres, any chance you can do the minutes dance? ←
15:28:54 <bglimm> bye
Birte Glimm: bye ←
15:28:57 <AxelPolleres> Axel: All who volunteered for reviews, please try to have them ready for discussion by next week, we will discuss whatever is ready/reviewed already.
Axel Polleres: All who volunteered for reviews, please try to have them ready for discussion by next week, we will discuss whatever is ready/reviewed already. ←
15:28:58 <Zakim> -bglimm
Zakim IRC Bot: -bglimm ←
15:29:09 <AxelPolleres> lee, can do, no prob.
lee, can do, no prob. ←
15:29:09 <Zakim> -pgearon
Zakim IRC Bot: -pgearon ←
15:29:14 <Zakim> -Prateek
Zakim IRC Bot: -Prateek ←
15:29:16 <SteveH> it's not legal xml.... ok
Steve Harris: it's not legal xml.... ok ←
15:29:16 <LeeF> related to ACTION-104: See http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/rq25.xml
Lee Feigenbaum: related to ACTION-104: See http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/rq25.xml ←
15:29:16 <trackbot> ACTION-104 Xml-spec'ify the SPARQL Query/1.0 document notes added
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-104 Xml-spec'ify the SPARQL Query/1.0 document notes added ←
15:29:20 <LeeF> trackbot, close ACTION-104
Lee Feigenbaum: trackbot, close ACTION-104 ←
15:29:20 <trackbot> ACTION-104 Xml-spec'ify the SPARQL Query/1.0 document closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-104 Xml-spec'ify the SPARQL Query/1.0 document closed ←
15:29:33 <Zakim> -EricP
Zakim IRC Bot: -EricP ←
15:29:33 <SteveH> bye
Steve Harris: bye ←
15:29:34 <Zakim> -LeeF
Zakim IRC Bot: -LeeF ←
15:29:36 <Zakim> -AxelPolleres
Zakim IRC Bot: -AxelPolleres ←
15:29:37 <Zakim> -SimonKJ
Zakim IRC Bot: -SimonKJ ←
15:29:38 <Zakim> -[Garlik]
Zakim IRC Bot: -[Garlik] ←
15:29:38 <Zakim> -kasei
Zakim IRC Bot: -kasei ←
15:29:39 <LukeWM> bye
Luke Wilson-Mawer: bye ←
15:29:43 <Zakim> -AlexPassant
Zakim IRC Bot: -AlexPassant ←
15:29:44 <Zakim> -KjetilK
Zakim IRC Bot: -KjetilK ←
15:29:50 <Zakim> -AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS ←
15:29:50 <AxelPolleres> rrsagent, make records public
rrsagent, make records public ←
15:30:05 <Zakim> -OlivierCorby
Zakim IRC Bot: -OlivierCorby ←
15:30:06 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended ←
15:30:07 <Zakim> Attendees were [Garlik], LeeF, kasei, OlivierCorby, Chimezie_Ogbuji, bglimm, AxelPolleres, pgearon, AndyS, Ivanh, EricP, AlexPassant, SimonKJ, +1.617.588.aaaa, Orri, KjetilK,
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were [Garlik], LeeF, kasei, OlivierCorby, Chimezie_Ogbuji, bglimm, AxelPolleres, pgearon, AndyS, Ivanh, EricP, AlexPassant, SimonKJ, +1.617.588.aaaa, Orri, KjetilK, ←
15:30:09 <Zakim> ... Prateek
Zakim IRC Bot: ... Prateek ←
15:30:34 <AxelPolleres> rrsagent, make records public
rrsagent, make records public ←
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